| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Health Policy] Increasing compliance with international pandemic law: international relations and new global health agreements: Across multiple pandemics, global health governance institutions have struggled to secure the compliance of states with [... want %more?] → https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(23)01527-1/fulltext | 00:36 |
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| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: A meta-analysis of 113 studies (31 countries) finds that suicide ideation increased during the pandemic. Anxiety, depression, loneliness, and poor sleep quality were potential risk factors. Females, single or divorced, and those with financial [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/16a8ipv/a_metaanalysis_of_113_studies_31_countries_finds/ | 03:12 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Sensitivity of BA.2.86 to prevailing neutralising antibody responses → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/16aajfs/sensitivity_of_ba286_to_prevailing_neutralising/ | 03:41 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/COVID19: COVID19: Antigenicity and infectivity characterization of SARS-CoV-2 BA.2.86 → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/16ab82f/antigenicity_and_infectivity_characterization_of/ | 04:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Eric Topol on Mastodon: (news): There’s a 3rd new BA.2.86 variant lab assessment out from the Barouch Lab today which provides evidence. that its immune evasion is not as bad as anticipated. Very reassuring both about this variant and the XBB.1.5 new booster → https://mstdn.social/@erictopol/111010371384794341 | 05:19 |
| Brainstorm | New from ProPublica: Erasing the “Black Spot”: How a Virginia College Expanded by Uprooting a Black Neighborhood: by Brandi Kellam and Louis Hansen , Virginia Center for Investigative Journalism at WHRO This article was produced for ProPublica’s Local Reporting Network in [... want %more?] → https://www.propublica.org/article/how-virginia-college-expanded-by-uprooting-black-neighborhood | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Why I . . . play pool: As a fairly common hobby, playing pool may be overlooked as a way to deal with work related stress, says first year core psychiatry trainee Amar Hujan.But it’s easy to pick up, doesn’t require years of practice, and allows participants to dip in and out at will, he says.During the [... want %more?] → http://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p1971.short | 11:55 |
| Brainstorm | New from PubMed: Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 and Medical Evacuation in Lombardy: Lessons Learned from an Unprecedented Pandemic: The severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) emerging infectious disease pandemic developed in Lombardy (northern Italy) during the last week of February 2020 with [... want %more?] → https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/37667885/ | 12:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Science: science: A man-made antibody successfully prevented organ rejection when tested in primates that had undergone a kidney transplant, without the need for immunosuppressive drugs. The finding clears the way for the new monoclonal antibody to move forward in [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/16am6bh/a_manmade_antibody_successfully_prevented_organ/ | 14:14 |
| Vyrus | I mean, whether the masks work or not - should be a really easy trial to conduct right ? what do research papers say ? arent there any randomised trials on this | 15:32 |
| Vyrus | why is this such a controversial topic like politics in US, all redditors are arguing about this | 15:33 |
| Vyrus | I remember seeing some survey studies, that compared all the existing research around masks, whether it worked with flu, whether it worked with covid - I don't exactly remember their conclusions right now though | 15:33 |
| Vyrus | and flu is around the same size - do we have to make an assumption that these particles always travel on aerosols and droplets like aladdin ? or do we assume it's 90% of the time like that ? or do they vaporise from the mask anyways and sometimes travel as a particle of 0.1 micron ? | 15:35 |
| Vyrus | I have so many questions | 15:35 |
| Vyrus | does a tightly fit N95 really protect you from it all ? or from 95% of things ? or 99% ? over how long of a period, in a non-ventilated room, if you're stuck with a peak viral load patient ? | 15:36 |
| Vyrus | good thing BA.2.86 didn't turn out to be the doom I was expecting | 15:37 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I understand ur feelings. But It's kinda complex. | 15:40 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Firstly, during the Omicron era, wearing surgical masks has been proven to be ineffective or have minimal efficacy. | 15:44 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I remember a BMJ article stating that during the first wave of Omicron in early 2022, there was little difference in the medical system between wearing surgical masks and not wearing them. | 15:44 |
| Vyrus | https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7253999/#:~:text=Another%20meta%2Danalysis%20suggested%20that,from%207%20studies%20%5B6%5D. | 15:46 |
| Vyrus | a really large meta analysis from 2020 | 15:46 |
| Vyrus | "Another meta-analysis suggested that facemask provides a non-significant protective effect (OR = 0.53, 95% CI 0.16–1.71, I 2 = 48%) against the 2009 influenza pandemic [8]. Xiao et al. concluded that masks did not support a substantial effect on the transmission of influenza from 7 studies [6]. On the contrary, Jefferson et al. suggested that wearing masks significantly decreased the spread of SARS (OR = 0.32; 95% CI 0.25–0.40; I2 = 58.4%) [9]. Up to | 15:47 |
| Vyrus | date, existing evidence on the effectiveness of the use of masks to prevent respiratory viral transmission contradicts each other. Therefore, we performed a systematic review and meta-analysis to evaluate the effectiveness of the use of masks to prevent laboratory-confirmed respiratory virus transmission. | 15:47 |
| peetaur | you don't have to read studies to show what works... you only have to ask which conclusion will make the most money, and that's the one the studies are going to prove, otherwise they aren't published | 15:47 |
| * peetaur is an optimist, and also a cynic | 15:47 | |
| Vyrus | nah - exactly - I'm trying to get to the contradiction at the heart of it all | 15:47 |
| Vyrus | how can META analyses contradict each other so strongly | 15:48 |
| Vyrus | are one of them funded by people-haters ? lol | 15:48 |
| peetaur | I think I just answered that already... they don't publish what they don't want you to hear; so you just see conflicting bias, not science | 15:49 |
| peetaur | you can probably look at each contradictory study and look at enough detail to see why both conclusions can be true; eg. the lab tests showing cloth masks work have a sensor in the front where the airflow is the lowest...and they ignore all the air flying out the sides and up and down, so this shows that the mask redirects air everywhere except the front... totally valid; their wording "prevents covid transmission" of cours is not valid. | 15:50 |
| peetaur | and I am pretty sure the motivation to say surgical and cloth masks work is they didn't want to make it hard for hospitals to get respirators, so they didn't tell you to use those, which at least in theory can work potentially (if done right, which is another matter) | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> And, The N95 mask is not claimed to provide 95% protection by just wearing it, but rather it is able to filter out 95% of non-oil based particles during use. It can effectively prevent the inhalation of virus aerosols, but we cannot simply assume that wearing it guarantees a 95% infection prevention rate. | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> This is because people may not wear the mask consistently, and there is a wide range of immunity levels and virus variants in the population. | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> For example, someone who has been previously infected with XBB.1.9* wearing an N95 mask in an area where EG.5.1* is prevalent would experience a much higher infection prevention rate than someone who has been previously infected with BA.5* wearing the same mask in the same area. | 15:52 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> And, I can briefly discuss my original research, which demonstrates the effectiveness of NPI measures in the recent omicron period. | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> So do u know the 2022-2023 China COVID crisis? The positivity in mainland China reached about 50% by the end of December last year, causing approximately 2 million deaths in the first wave of the epidemic there. | 15:58 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> However, according to statistics from various civil anti-epidemic groups, the infection rate among the NPI groups is only about 50%, while the positivity rate among the general population is over 80%. | 15:58 |
| Vyrus | your second last claim about positivity in China | 16:06 |
| Vyrus | what is the source of truth on that ? western media ? | 16:06 |
| Vyrus | because I find our media channels to be way more disgusting than a communist propaganda state channel | 16:07 |
| Vyrus | According to the Chinese government, the positivity rate in mainland China was only 1.9% on December 31, 2022. | 16:07 |
| Vyrus | I've seen firsthand in australia, that zero covid worked until omicron - I have good reason to believe Chinese government could have done an even better job than ours | 16:07 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Nope, it's published by Chinacdc | 16:08 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Wait for a moment though | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> https://www.chinacdc.cn/jkzt/crb/zl/szkb_11803/jszl_13141/202302/t20230218_263807.html | 16:09 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Oh sorry, so it's about 30%, not 50% | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Yes they did a even better job until December 2022 | 16:11 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I live here so I clearly know that | 16:11 |
| Vyrus | yes their own cdc claims positivity reached 29% on nucleic acid testing, and 21.3% for antigen testing at the same date | 16:12 |
| Vyrus | thats still high, youre right | 16:12 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> But ppl here now hate all kinds of past epidemic prevention policies, just like Westerners, and may even be more radical | 16:13 |
| Vyrus | good thing it was only for a brief moment I guess, they probably did a good job since then | 16:13 |
| Vyrus | you did* I mean | 16:13 |
| Vyrus | lol | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> So that's one of the leading reason why they give up last year | 16:13 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> But another key reason is the leader here have planed to do so even in the early 2022 ig. Cuz there's many signs. | 16:14 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> *there r | 16:15 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Like, in 2022, the Chinese government has been shortening the quarantine period for entry and emphasizing the importance of not imposing city or neighborhood lockdowns indiscriminately. The latter was even one of the main causes of the Shanghai lockdown incident last year. | 16:17 |
| Vyrus | 习大大 | 16:19 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> So I think it's very interesting. The Chinese government's propaganda ability is indeed very strong. | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I'm now thinking, if the Chinese government completely ignored the pandemic from the beginning, would they have won the public opinion war and become the beacon of freedom that many Westerners admire? | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Then they could accuse the West of hindering their economy with lockdowns and testing, and violating human rights with mandatory vaccines in 2020-2022. They could even create a "no-vaccine green card" and attract Western anti-vaccine talent to immigrate to a completely free China without vaccines or lockdowns. 🤣🤣 | 16:22 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I now feel that they are fully capable of promoting it in a way that ordinary Chinese people completely disregard the epidemic from the very beginning in 2020 | 16:23 |
| Vyrus | even I would consider moving there, I couldn't even get a haircut in melbourne for years of lockdown. Police raided my house at night, because I was moving into a new apartment and they thought I was partying | 16:27 |
| Vyrus | 6 cops raided my place, while I was moving into a new home - and this was supposed to be considered an exception under the law at the time | 16:28 |
| Vyrus | 5,500$ fine for every individual that helped me out, no right to appeal - immediate rejection with a draft message of appeal | 16:28 |
| Vyrus | australia is the best !! | 16:29 |
| Vyrus | although I admit, we had some music on, and some girls were dancing | 16:33 |
| Vyrus | it could be labelled a party lol | 16:33 |
| peetaur | sounds like 'shoot first ask questions later' ... wtf | 16:34 |
| peetaur | I moved twice during the pandemic ... I guess I got lucky | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I see | 16:35 |
| peetaur | (and the place I bought probably doubled in value right after... lucky there too) | 16:35 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> Australia(Excludes NSW) I guess | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> 😂 | 16:37 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> I still remember the news about anti-lockdown protests in NSW that summer | 16:38 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> But yes I remember that WA open it's board 6 month later in February 2022 | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <MeretheSoltvedt> And it's the last state to surrender in Australia | 16:39 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ Open: Comorbidities, symptoms and end-of-life medication use in hospitalised decedents before and during the COVID-19 pandemic: a retrospective regional cohort study in Ottawa, Canada: Objective To compare comorbidities, symptoms and end-of-life (EoL) palliative medication (antisecretories, opioids, [... want %more?] → http://bmjopen.bmj.com/cgi/content/short/13/9/e075518 | 16:56 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> MeretheSoltvedt: I think they meant "worked until omicron" in the sense that it worked to stop the virus, not necessarily that it worked in avoiding protests | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> I think mostly the language barrier, partly the great firewall, have caused many "mysteries" here around how things were conducted in China (I remember I was mystified myself by the spraying of streets by people in suits) and, in general, have prevented communication between China and the West that might have been useful. Chinese is not a widely known language here, and I think English is [cutoff] | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> not so widely known (fluently, at least) in China. To read the ChinaCDC post you linked, I have to use Google Translate which is what it is, and honestly I wouldn't have found that page on my own. | 19:00 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> Even with Google Translate, for example, I can't read the labels on the graphs, because they are images | 19:01 |
| Brainstorm | (Matrix) <LjL> Of course there are other countries where English is not super-widespread, but for some of them, we've had people from those countries here. Having Chinese people in this channel has been quite rare (though it has happened before). | 19:02 |
| Brainstorm | New from BMJ: Safety of telehealth and digital health services is being neglected, says WHO Europe: Since the covid pandemic most countries in Europe (44) now have a national digital health strategy, but only a third (19) have outlined how new digital initiatives will be evaluated to ensure that they are safe and effective, a [... want %more?] → http://www.bmj.com/content/382/bmj.p2040.short | 19:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from WebMD: Fall Vaccines: What to Know about Flu, COVID, RSV Shots: Find answers to your questions about coming vaccines for COVID-19, the flu, and RSV. → https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/covid-19-vaccine/news/20230905/what-to-know-about-flu-covid-rsv-shots | 19:25 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: YouTube under no obligation to host anti-vaccine advocate’s videos, court says → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/16aytnn/youtube_under_no_obligation_to_host_antivaccine/ | 22:34 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Vaccine experts urge more inclusivity in clinical trials: The recently approved RSV vaccines have been celebrated as key public health tools, but some vaccine experts lamented that certain populations were largely left out of the clinical trials. → https://www.statnews.com/2023/09/05/vaccine-experts-urge-more-inclusivity-in-clinical-trials/ | 23:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from StatNews: Three lessons from Covid that could help global leaders prevent the next pandemic: "If we wanted to, this could be the last pandemic. It's a political choice,” said Joanne Liu, a professor at McGill University’s School of Population and Global Health. → https://www.statnews.com/2023/09/05/pandemic-preparedness/ | 23:34 |
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