libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2023-06-09

BrainstormNew from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Covid-19 can cause brain cells to “fuse” → https://old.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/144m9mk/covid19_can_cause_brain_cells_to_fuse/00:05
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: COVID-19 Causes Brain Cell Fusion, Leading to Chronic Neurological Symptoms - Neuroscience News → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/144pnfn/covid19_causes_brain_cell_fusion_leading_to/02:11
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Outpatient treatment of COVID-19 and incidence of post-COVID-19 condition over 10 months (COVID-OUT): a multicentre, randomised, quadruple-blind, parallel-group, phase 3 trial → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/144qmdm/outpatient_treatment_of_covid19_and_incidence_of/02:59
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: Covid-19: Metformin reduces the risk of developing long term symptoms by 40%, study finds → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/144rl0b/covid19_metformin_reduces_the_risk_of_developing/03:38
TuvixLjL: It's largely because actually reviewing content is nontrivial. I took issue with a link-dropped study here a few days ago that had some claims I found unlikely (but I remained merely skeptical, open to possibility the data did in fact say that.)03:54
TuvixI probably spent 30-45 minutes on just one claim referencing one footnote, and found it to be at minimum highly misleading and cherry-picked. But without reivewing the cited data, there's no way to actually say for sure.03:56
TuvixBasically, Brandolini's law.03:58
TuvixTo be clear, I did review enough of the data to make my claim, and ironcially the dataset referenced even warns against exactly what the paper did with the data. Pretty big mistake for a paper that wants to be taken seriously I'd say.04:01
LjL-MatrixTuvix: the point is not if the study is right or wrong. Or, rathet, ir is, as THAT is what should have been debated. Instead they almost literally denied that the study did in fact contain the OP's claim, and every time he quoted it verbatim, he just got downvoted without explanation.05:18
LjL-MatrixYou justify that, you make me as scared of you as I said I was scared of them in MY comment.05:19
LjL-MatrixThose people aren't PREPARED TO DISCUSS anything that makes that claim, and they will stomp on anyone who thinks it should be looked at because hey it's a peer reviewed study and it makes a very notable claim05:20
LjL-MatrixI know how it feels to be stomped on. The fear is stronger than the pain.05:20
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Does COVID-19 damage the brain? - Harvard Health → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/144tz2r/does_covid19_damage_the_brain_harvard_health/05:35
TuvixWhat on earth are you claiming I'm justifying? My concern for a claim? It's *good* to be skeptical of claims that don't make sense, but only if you act on it reasonably by looking at data as I did.05:38
TuvixIf you're this "afraid" of people having gut instinct, then you need to frankly keep your opinions to youself more. It may not lead you to the right answer, but we always make assumptions based on our existing knowledge (you've surly heard the phrase "stand on the shoulders of giants", yes? Prior knowledge/art is how we understand the world around us)05:39
TuvixTo be very clear, the study I'm referring to claimed that vaccinations led to more death by COVID. I'd really love to hear how you think being conerned a study that says that those who had better vaccination coverage were more likely in per-capita ratios to die of COVID-19 in 2022 and how this *isn't* cause for alarm.05:41
TuvixThe data of course not only doesn't back this claim up, but the cherry-picked data it referred to by the UK ONS actually indicated the exact opposite, *except* for a very specific range of ages that the data itself even noted needed to be taken with the understanding that those most at risk were prioritized (thus we're vaccinating those most likely to die, and those same people die more often.)05:42
TuvixSo, yes, it's downright good to be cocnerned about these claims, and if you feel that seeing something like that shouldn't be cause to review the data, I suggest you stop dishing out critique of people who get "that funny feeling" when an absolute bullshit claim is made. Now I at least didn't dismiss it outright, spending my precious time to go and debunk it, pubilicly, here, so that others who had less05:43
Tuvixtime on their hands could get the benefit of some review I made to more quickly see the same data I had without putting in the time.05:43
TuvixIf you'd like to discuss the ONS data I'm referring to and the specifics of the study that was dropped here, I'm happy to do so. The claim is that receiving a 3rd dose (ie: 1st booster) between late 2021 into 2022 led to higher all-cause mortality (and the study went on to attempt to link it to cancer through what I can only assume is equally nonsense claims that I have no direct knowledge of beyond05:48
Tuvixdebunking the all-cause mortality.) The paper was also published by a venue that is known for rapid-pace reviews and tends to pressure the reviewers with fast turnaround.05:48
TuvixLet's discuss this more to abate your fears here, because I still have no idea why you're so deathly afraid.05:48
TuvixIf the concern is only that some people can't think for themselves and share their anti-knowledge very publicly, that's been going on since long before the Internet (modern tech just allows it to go viral faser.) https://xkcd.com/97805:56
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | June 09, 2023: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/144xy11/daily_discussion_thread_june_09_2023/09:09
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: Covid 19 causes Brian cell fusion , leading to chronic neurological symptoms-neuroscience news → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/144z3i0/covid_19_causes_brian_cell_fusion_leading_to/10:10
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: Outpatient treatment of COVID-19 and incidence of post-COVID-19 condition over 10 months (COVID-OUT): a multicentre, randomised, quadruple-blind, parallel-group, phase 3 trial → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/144z73n/outpatient_treatment_of_covid19_and_incidence_of/10:19
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronavirusUK: Long Covid can impair quality of life more than advanced cancers, study says → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronavirusUK/comments/145059d/long_covid_can_impair_quality_of_life_more_than/11:58
BrainstormNew from ECDC: Data on testing for COVID-19 by week and country: Data in multiple file formats with information about testing volume for COVID-19, sorted by week and country, and updated on a weekly basis. → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/covid-19-testing12:07
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 09JUN23 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/14537zz/global_covid_cases_for_09jun23/14:05
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Dominant CT Patterns and Immune Responses during the Early Infection Phases of Different SARS-CoV-2 Variants → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/1454rxi/dominant_ct_patterns_and_immune_responses_during/15:13
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (translated) LIAISON NES Flu A/B & COVID-19 Clinical Agreement: Conditions :  Influenza A; Influenza Type B; Coronavirus Disease 2019 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0589751517:12
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Insulin Regulation and Severity of Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome COVID-19 Infection → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0589752817:22
BrainstormNew from WebMD: (news): What Adults Need to Know About the New RSV Vaccines → https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/news/20230608/what-adults-need-to-know-about-the-new-rsv-vaccines18:01
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: COVID-19 Rebound Found More in Hospitalized Patients With Existing Health Problems: A new retrospective study found non-oxygen-dependent COVID-19 patients were more likely to experience this phenomenon if they were  [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/covid-19-rebound-found-more-in-hospitalized-patients-with-existing-health-problems19:00
BrainstormNew from Virological.org: Latest topics: Towards Pandemic-Scale Ancestral Recombination Graphs of SARS-CoV-2:  Shing H. Zhan 1 , Anastasia Ignatieva 2,3,* , Yan Wong 1,* , Katherine Eaton 4 , Benjamin Jeffery 1 , Duncan S. Palmer 1 , Carmen L. Murall 4 , Sarah P. Otto 5 , [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/towards-pandemic-scale-ancestral-recombination-graphs-of-sars-cov-2/93619:20
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: The coronavirus has made itself at home in animals. Why that ramps up the risk for people — Coronavirus infections have been found in at least 32 animal species in 39 countries. Some can transmit the virus to humans. → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/145bv14/the_coronavirus_has_made_itself_at_home_in/20:00
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Infectious Disease Digest: This Week's Key Updates and Breakthroughs: This week's most-read story examined long COVID 2 years after acute infection. Read all about this and other infectious disease news now. → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/infectious-disease-digest-this-week-s-key-updates-and-breakthroughs21:09
LjL<Tuvix> If you're this "afraid" of people having gut instinct, then you need to frankly keep your opinions to youself more21:25
LjLI'll take that message to heart, and since I am known for hardly being able to control myself, there is only one way.21:26
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: The coronavirus has made itself at home in animals. Why that ramps up the risk for people — Coronavirus infections have been found in at least 32 animal species in 39 countries. Some can transmit the virus to humans. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/145e728/the_coronavirus_has_made_itself_at_home_in/21:28
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: COVID-19 could cause 'brain cell fusion', study finds" he results could help explain the long-term impact of the virus including Long Covid and could even help scientists understand more about dementia. → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/145esfd/covid19_could_cause_brain_cell_fusion_study_finds/21:48

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