libera/##covid-19/ Tuesday, 2023-03-21

BrainstormUpdates for Croatia: +388 cases, +19 deaths since 7 days ago — Montenegro: +75 cases, +1 deaths, +806 tests since a day ago — Morocco: +59 cases, +4412 tests since 10 days ago — Togo: +9 cases, +130 tests since 2 days ago00:01
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Useful to note that the “samples” with SARSCoV2 RNA and animal DNA aren’t blood/saliva/mucus. They are surface and water samples. This was not mentioned by @nytimes in their recent articles, but that would have avoided misconceptions from [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163798130396546662601:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): BTW if we visit the home of the patient #1 (who was not associated with the Huanan market) and take surface scrapings, we are likely to detect cockroach DNA and SARSCoV2 RNA. Using the logic of this preprint, we would conclude that cockroaches likely [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163798173948537241602:09
ferretguys guys02:12
ferreti have the rona02:12
ferretdoes paxlovid have any good benifits02:13
ferretLjL: im positive again but this time i can get paxlovid :D02:14
LjLferret, paxlovid is basically the only thing uncontroversially proven to have plenty of benefits02:15
ferretthis version of the virus is strange its almost phychadlic. could control my dreams02:15
LjLso if you can get it and you have any "vulnerabilities", get it02:15
ferretLjL: nice02:15
LjLbut take it early and take it for the prescribed time, no less, even if you feel better02:15
ferretok02:16
LjLdoing otherwise not only risks you have a rebound, but puts you at risk of creating variants for others, too02:16
LjLsimilar to antibiotics02:16
ferretLjL: what would happen if you took it for 10 days02:16
ferretjust wondering02:16
LjLi have no idea02:16
LjLdo you want to be a guinea ferret? :P02:16
ferretlol02:16
LjLi would recommend against it unless a doctor says it's fine02:16
ferreti could get another script if i wanted. but not sure if it would be a good idea02:17
LjLthat's not "a doctor saying it's fine", that's... cheating :P02:18
LjLif after the standard five days (is it?) you still feel bad, then ask02:18
ferretlol02:18
ferretok02:18
ferretim taking my first dose now wish me luck02:20
ferret3 pills02:20
ferretnoticed onset of covid today actualy and tested positive with the PCR02:20
ferretLjL:02:21
ferretremember last time i took molnupiravir02:21
ferretLOL02:21
ferretthat was crazy02:21
LjLferret, i am wary of molnupiravir02:22
ferretits a scary drug02:22
LjLi have a positive feeling about paxlovid, but of course my feelings don't make your side effects, so we'll have to see02:22
LjLhow come you get covid so often? :P02:23
ferretLjL: this time i dont have a sore throat yet02:23
ferretits only the first day so lets see what happens with paxlovid02:23
ferretLjL: its crazy i know right02:23
ferretlol02:23
ferrethave you gotten covid yet?02:23
LjLno02:23
LjLbut i am a hermit02:23
ferretthats amazing!!02:24
ferretLjL: i might have accidently licked one of the door handles at the hospital02:24
ferreti work with a nurse and we were doing some dares and stuff02:25
ferretsooooo02:25
LjLthat's not widely considered a good idea02:25
ferretLOL02:25
ferretBUT YEA that was like 10 days ago02:25
ferretso im guessing thats where i got it02:25
ferretLjL: they also took down all protections here in San Francisco02:27
ferretno more plexi glass no more masks02:27
LjLwe have masks in hospitals for 9 more days but that's it02:27
LjLnothing else really02:27
LjLplexiglass, that's up to the shops02:27
ferretim sharing a room with someone that is not infected02:29
ferretthey have the bivariant pfizer booster shot02:29
ferreti never got mine02:29
ferretlets see what happens02:29
ferreti recved 2 shots and 1 booster total02:29
ferretthey got like 2 boosters02:29
ferretif they dont get infected thats going to be super crazy02:31
de-factomake sure you always drink enough water02:39
ferretthanks de-facto02:39
* de-facto of course would recommend normal amounts of delicious Green Tea with tasty Ginger slices :)02:40
ferret:D02:40
ferretthat sounds amazing02:42
de-factoyes its my fav drink02:42
* de-facto slurps on his mug of Green Tea with Ginger02:43
de-factobasically avoiding scenarios with high pulse rates (heart may be slightly inflamed by COVID), drinking enough and ensure blood it thin to avoid (micro)coagulation, eating and drinking anti-inflammatory foods and drinks and sleeping regularly is beneficial i think02:53
ferretde-facto: will do03:01
ferretut oh inflamed heart03:01
BrainstormUpdates for Iran: +4931 cases, +98 deaths since 4 days ago — Bulgaria: +200 cases, +4 deaths, +4015 tests since a day ago — Norway: +83 cases since a day ago03:08
ferretde-facto: strange i cant taste ranch lol03:19
de-factoafaik there were some papers suggesting that green and black tea may inactivate some of the virions, but too much of it would be toxic to the liver03:21
de-factoso esp if you take meds (that would be digested by the liver) you should ofc be careful03:21
ferretde-facto: wonder what beer would do03:21
ferretlol03:21
de-factohmm alcohol is not so good i guess03:22
ferreti was reading the warnings but paxlovid didnt say anything about drinking alcohol but says it does impact the liver in the warnings03:23
ferretstrange03:23
de-factoe.g. potentially may interfere with the immune system and just like sugar also emphasize inflammatory processes, id not drink alc while having COVID03:23
de-factoyeah i think it comes together with another drug that inhibits its digestion in the lover03:24
de-factoliver03:24
ferretohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh03:24
ferretthat makes sense03:24
de-factoyep Ritonavir03:24
de-factothe biologic half life of Nirmatrelvir otherwise would be too short03:25
LjLdrinking alcohol while taking a bleeding edge therapy for a disease still full of unknown is probably one of the dumbest things you could do03:25
LjLtogether with smoking, although i suspect smoking is maybe "best" with molnupiravir03:26
de-factoif Ritonavir inhibits some of the liver enzymes it most likely does not only affect the digestion of Nirmatrelvir hence be careful with all things that require the liver to function properly03:28
de-factoe.g. do NOT drink alcohol etc03:28
LjLi've heard there are also some important drug interactions03:31
LjLso definitely *read* the leaflet03:31
BrainstormUpdates for Romania: +7483 cases, +48 deaths, +79614 tests since 7 days ago — Peru: +408 cases, +15 deaths, +15746 tests since 2 days ago04:10
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Josiah Grindrod is a mild bat virus (@JT_Grindrod): My town uses ash instead of gravel or salt to deal with ice on the roads, and as soon as it dries out a bit it's all airborne.  Seems like a good reason to me but if you like huffing ash and don't enjoy the taste of cigarettes then ditch [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/JT_Grindrod/status/163801384424848179204:13
ferretde-facto: like vodka or a 5% alc beer?04:39
ferreti have this urge to drink a shot of 80 proof vodka lol04:39
ferretjk04:39
de-factohaha yeah tiny sip, but spit it out so it does not reach your liver04:42
ferretde-facto: :D04:44
ferretde-facto:04:46
ferreti called the pharmisist and she said ahhhh you poor thing you can drink a little bit04:46
ferretno joke04:46
ferretLOLOL04:46
de-factolol its your liver at least you know about the potential problem05:55
ferretde-facto: LOL05:59
ferretde-facto: i have a new paxlovid side effect06:14
ferretlook what its done to my hair06:14
ferrethttps://i.imgur.com/Pi4azYM.jpg06:14
ferretremember what covid was like before vaccinations and these drug treatments06:19
ferretalmost always on eckmo or in a body bag06:20
ferretcome along ways \o/06:20
bbyL0veWoodroseferret what country you in ?06:45
bbyL0veWoodroseI got covid 2 weeks ago also, I thought the pandemic was over xD06:46
bbyL0veWoodroseand there was a mini pandemic at work, so people got asked to work from home for 4 days06:46
ferretbbyL0veWoodrose: United States, San Francisco here06:47
ferretbbyL0veWoodrose: its like always there for some reason lol06:48
bbyL0veWoodroseah cool, I'm from sydney, australia.06:48
bbyL0veWoodroseit's also always here for some reason.... lol06:48
bbyL0veWoodroseI can no longer get the chart results for my google search "covid cases in U.S" or in australia06:49
ferretyou think with the virus in Australia the virus would just burst into flames06:49
ferretlol06:49
ferretbbyL0veWoodrose: yea it was cool when it was super avalable and they counted cases but then they just stopped06:50
ferrethttps://nextstrain.org06:51
ferretmight have it06:51
ferrethttps://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global/6m06:52
ferretits all omicron06:52
de-factohttps://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variants-genomic-surveillance07:45
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): The evidence should even satisfy eternal contrarian @BallouxFrancois: there is a positive association between samples with high Sars-Cov2 read content & the ones containing raccoon dog reads. What more could one wish? pic.twitter.com/IHCfrpGt4r → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/163806718974690099207:45
de-factohttps://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions07:45
de-factoits most likely going to be Omicron XBB.1.5 in US07:45
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | March 21, 2023: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11x9d34/daily_discussion_thread_march_21_2023/08:04
BrainstormNew from Science-Based Medicine: Part of a Complete Breakfast: Infection control. When one adheres to compliance it is effective. Like masks and COVID 45. The post  first appeared on Science-Based Medicine . → https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/part-of-a-complete-breakfast/08:33
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): William Hanage on COVID lessons we haven’t learnedExcellent interview with realistic and most probable answers about COVID-19 current and future state.@BillHanage news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163808167334552371408:42
BrainstormUpdates for Malaysia: +1848 cases, +5 deaths since 9 days ago — Germany: +9744 cases, +141 deaths since 3 days ago — Canada: +964 cases, +80 deaths since 11 days ago09:04
BrainstormNew from StatNews: STAT+: 8 burning questions Bernie Sanders and other senators should ask Moderna’s Stéphane Bancel: How exactly did you land on $130 for a Covid vaccine dose? And other burning questions for Moderna CEO Stéphane Bancel, who heads before Sen. Bernie Sanders' health committee this… → https://www.statnews.com/2023/03/21/moderna-stephane-bancel-bernie-sanders/09:42
BrainstormNew from PubMed: Extraordinary Complication of COVID-19 Swab Testing: CSF Rhinorrhea: Coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) is a highly contagious disease that has reached pandemic status. The diagnosis of COVID-19 is made using the polymerase chain reaction test to evaluate a swab taken from the naso/oro-pharyngeal area. Since [... want %more?] → https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36941235/10:02
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Remdesivir and corticosteroids in the treatment of hospitalized COVID-19 patients → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11xcik5/remdesivir_and_corticosteroids_in_the_treatment/11:09
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Imvanex, smallpox and monkeypox vaccine (Live Modified Vaccinia Virus Ankara), Smallpox Vaccine;Monkeypox virus, Date of authorisation: 31/07/2013, Revision: 24, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/imvanex11:57
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Persisting Olfactory Impairments in Recovered COVID-19 Patient: A Three-Year Follow-UpA long (3-year) follow up, pre-print; Most are fully recovered. Small study, n=9papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cf… pic.twitter.com/e6iiCM95V6 → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/163813383743469977612:07
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Persistence of SARS-CoV-2 in saliva: Implications for late-stage diagnosis and infectious duration → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11xe0gq/persistence_of_sarscov2_in_saliva_implications/12:27
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: A cross-sectional analysis of the predictors of COVID-19 vaccine uptake and vaccine hesitancy in Iraq → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11xezda/a_crosssectional_analysis_of_the_predictors_of/13:18
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): Does the study by Gao et al mean that prior COVID will make people immunodeficient (unable to fight any infection)? Not likely based on other data. @JohngLab found enhanced (not lower) immunity to flu vaccine in men who recovered from mild [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/163815326427222425713:27
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Single Dose of Smallpox Vaccine Highly Effective Against Mpox: A new study suggests prioritizing administering the first dose a smallpox vaccine against mpox in cases where vaccine supplies are limited. → https://www.onclive.com/view/single-dose-of-smallpox-vaccine-highly-effective-against-mpox13:38
BrainstormUpdates for Poland: +4200 cases, +32 deaths, +13470 tests since a day ago — Lithuania: +581 cases, +1 deaths since 22 hours ago14:09
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Flucelvax Tetra, influenza vaccine (surface antigen, inactivated, prepared in cell cultures), Influenza, Human, Date of authorisation: 12/12/2018, Revision: 12, Status: Authorised → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/flucelvax-tetra14:18
BrainstormUpdates for Japan: +8518 cases, +29 deaths, +71799 tests since a day ago — Czechia: +1321 cases, +11 deaths, +6548 tests since 23 hours ago — Indonesia: +473 cases, +2 deaths since 22 hours ago14:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Prof. Akiko Iwasaki (@VirusesImmunity): I want to also highlight similar trials to test Paxlovid in people with long COVID. Collectively, we will learn a lot from these trials and improve upon future approaches. (9/)clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05…clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT05… → https://twitter.com/VirusesImmunity/status/163818298689714995215:27
BrainstormUpdates for Slovenia: +722 cases since a day ago — Estonia: +364 cases, +8 deaths, +3862 tests since 7 days ago16:08
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Chronic Fatigue Syndrome/ Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME/CFS) Registry and Biobank, COVID-19, SARS-CoV-2 → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0577800616:19
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): The Effect of the Covid 19 Pandemic Process on the Neuromotor Developments of 6-24 Month-old Babies → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0577835716:28
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Zinc Supplementation Impact in Acute COVID-19 Clinical Outcomes → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0577838317:07
BrainstormNew from ClinicalTrials.gov: (news): Cluster-Randomized Trial of Air Filtration and Ventilation to Reduce Covid19 Spread in Homes → https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT0577772017:17
BrainstormNew from Politico: Air pollution: Engine standoff deepens as Brussels refuses to reopen green car deal → https://www.politico.eu/article/engine-standoff-deepens-as-brussels-refuses-to-reopen-green-car-deal/17:27
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Pioneering a New Form of HIV Vaccination: The Wistar Institute’s Amelia Escolano, PhD, is developing a novel approach using sequential immunization to capture protection against multiple strains. → https://www.onclive.com/view/pioneering-a-new-form-of-hiv-vaccination17:47
-Bridgestorm- ⭕ زلزله! Earthquake! 6.3 M tremor, registered by EMSC,alomax, occurred 13 minutes ago (16:47:24 UTC), during a new moon night, on land, Ghurayd Gharamē, Afghanistan (36.5, 71.0) ± 5 km, ↓45 km likely felt 350 km away (in فیض‌آباد, چترال…) by 77000 people (www.seismicportal.eu)18:01
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): The article above is about how CDC staffers recognized asymptomatic spread even as Redfield refused to warn let alone acknowledge it.A year later we have Walensky refusing to recognize that vaccinated people could get and transmit variant [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163822513664098713618:07
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: FDA May Authorize Additional Covid-19 Booster Shots → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11xntzg/fda_may_authorize_additional_covid19_booster_shots/18:47
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): BTW ICYMI above, Walensky has been working entirely from home, 1000 miles away from CDC "headquarters"Not the best way to get information from your reports, or to inspire them, but apparently the WH didn't careAnd now more have died of COVID in [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/163823867733491302519:07
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Martin (@m_a_martin): apropos of nothing gisaid has been seemingly arbitrarily limiting access to certain features for some users with no documentation of why since at least the beginning of SARS-CoV-2 and and we're long overdue for a conversation about the implications of that. → https://twitter.com/m_a_martin/status/163824158899121766419:17
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Safety and Effectiveness of SA58 Nasal Spray against SARS-CoV-2 family transmission: an exploratory single-arm trial → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11xplih/safety_and_effectiveness_of_sa58_nasal_spray/19:27
LjL%title https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/11wy1bw/biden_signs_legislation_to_declassify_certain/19:32
BrainstormLjL: From www.reddit.com: Biden signs legislation to declassify certain intelligence on Covid pandemic origins : Coronavirus19:33
BrainstormNew from Medical Xpress: New SARS-CoV-2 target could boost immunity against all coronaviruses: Researchers searching for new therapeutic targets in the SARS-CoV-2 virus have identified a potential Achilles' heel that exists in all coronaviruses, according to a study published today in eLife. → https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-03-sars-cov-boost-immunity-coronaviruses.html19:36
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Safety and immunogenicity of SII-NVX-CoV2373 (COVID-19 vaccine) in adults in a phase 2/3, observer-blind, randomised, controlled study → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/11xq97w/safety_and_immunogenicity_of_siinvxcov2373/20:05
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: Catching a Common Cold Gives Children COVID-19 Immunity: Exposure to a common seasonal coronavirus stimulates a memory T cell response that protects children against COVID-19. However, this immune response peaks at age 6. → https://www.onclive.com/view/catching-a-common-cold-gives-children-covid-19-immunity20:45
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Daniel Di Martino      (@DanielDiMartino): The Fed would need to keep the current pace of decline in M2 money supply for about a year more to return to the pre-pandemic trend in M2 growth.Given the current circumstances with banks and delay of response to monetary policy changes, [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/DanielDiMartino/status/163826425381036851321:24
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: People who catch Omicron are less likely to get Long Covid → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/11xt535/people_who_catch_omicron_are_less_likely_to_get/22:04
LjL-MatrixHow many more times this dubious omicron = less long covid thing will get reposted I wonder22:05
ferretWOW I FEEL AMAZING. second day of covid on paxlovid and i feel normal22:13
ferretno tiredness no fever nothing lol22:14
ferretLjL-Matrix: any idea what causes long covid?22:15
ferretdont see how its possible its not like the virus can stay in your body forever22:15
LjL-Matrix<ferret> "dont see how its possible its..." <- Yes it can, multiple studies suggest that. But I cannot say that is the reason for long covid. Too many possible reasons have been posited and I don't have enough knowledge to have an opinion.22:22
ferretinteresting22:22
LjL-MatrixCheck the tag "persistence" on my zotero22:23
LjL-MatrixRaf: ^22:27
Raf[m]Nice22:28
Raf[m]Considering I don't know about Molnupiravir, I have to vote paxlovid22:28
LjL-MatrixThe IRC users are missing all these juicy polls with high participation!22:39
BrainstormNew from Outbreak News Today: Vanuatu reports dozens of leptospirosis cases: NewsDesk @bactiman63 The Vanuatu Ministry of Health reports 32 cases of Leptospirosis and one death since the start of the year. This has prompted health officials to issue a red alert. The outbreak was exacerbated [... want %more?] → http://outbreaknewstoday.com/vanuatu-reports-dozens-of-leptospirosis-cases-45742/22:53
BrainstormUpdates for Sri Lanka: +4 cases since 22 hours ago22:59
ferretanyone have rebound effects from paxlovid?23:00
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Dr. Angela Rasmussen (@angie_rasmussen): The origin of the pandemic is a crucial question that my colleagues & I have been researching for years now.So we downloaded sequences from a public repository that might reveal clues about how the pandemic began. They did. Here is our [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/angie_rasmussen/status/163829498452374323323:22
LjL-Matrixferret: I don't remember anyone else mentioning that23:28
LjL-MatrixTo be fair there is not a lot of activity in this channel anymore, most people would rather think about other things I guess23:29
ferretLjL-Matrix: was just talking to a MA and they were like once your 5 days are up there may be a rebound effect with the viral load starting up again23:43

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