libera/##covid-19/ Friday, 2022-06-17

BrainstormUpdates for Trinidad and Tobago: +324 cases since 23 hours ago00:03
LjL-MatrixApparently Italy is no longer making positives quarantine00:04
LjL-MatrixMaybe they should specifically encourage them to cough in the public street00:04
xxI'd prefer a sick person to cough so that I know to avoid them even more00:08
xx"We used to cough to hide our farts, now we fart to hide our coughs"00:08
xxsadly there's still no research that would prove that covid spreads through farts00:09
xxit's suspected, just like it's suspected to spread through sex00:09
xxbut nobody bothers to check it, because the breathing-out pathway is the primary way of getting infected00:10
LjL-MatrixYou're suspected of spreading via memetics00:17
BrainstormNew from NPR Science: Omicron poses about half the risk of long COVID as delta, new research finds: Some scientists estimate that cases of long COVID from omicron will still rise, however, because of high transmissibility and the misconception that people don't have to worry about [... want %more?] → https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2022/06/16/1094655028/omicron-long-covid-risk00:38
dTalI strongly doubt that flatulence is a covid vector00:51
xxdTal: but covid viral particles are found in feces00:58
xxbut of course nobody seems to bother trying to find out if they are still infectious00:58
xxwe're still stuck in 2020 regarding our knowledge of these things about covid00:58
LjLi want to be stuck in 201900:58
LjLactually i want to be stuck in 201500:59
xxI want to be stuck in -350000000001:00
dTalfarts don't really pick up much physical matter from the intestines, that's why they smell like farts and not shit01:01
dTalBut even assuming that covid replicates in the gut, and that live viral load in the large intestine can somehow be large enough that a few ml of wafting gas can pick up enough virions to be infectious after being diluted in a room, I think it's fair to say that such an individual would be radically more infection through more traditional means such as their lungs, which exchange many liters of air every second.01:02
dTal(and have a huge surface area)01:02
LjLdTal, "assuming" covid replicates in the gut is more like "being convinced by the study that shows it replicates in the gut"01:03
dTalLjL: lower intestine?01:04
LjLi dunno01:04
dTalwhat study?01:05
dTalGoogle is turning up a lot of " Currently, there is no direct evidence to prove the active replication of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) in the intestinal tract and relevant pathological changes in the colon and rectum."01:05
dTalbut those are probably outdated01:05
dTalBut I stand by my wild assertion that unless your bowels are being jellified by covid viruses and you're gale-force farting continuously, the idea that farts could be infectious doesn't - if you'll excuse the expression - pass the sniff test01:06
Asakomonkeypoxx01:07
dTalThere have been experiments done where people farted - naked - onto agar. The bacteria thus cultured were fairly mild and sparsely populated, lactobaccilla mainly. They didn't get e-coli or anything like that. And the cultures were completely sterile when farting through clothes.01:08
dTalI wouldn't like a covid-positive patient to fart naked into my face at close range, but frankly I wouldn't want a healthy person to either. Despite the evidence suggesting it's reasonably safe.01:09
LjLnot judging01:13
BrainstormNew from BMJ Open: Aortic stenosis post-COVID-19: a mathematical model on waiting lists and mortality: Objectives To provide estimates for how different treatment pathways for the management of severe aortic stenosis (AS) may affect National Health Service (NHS) England waiting list duration and associated mortality. [... want %more?] → http://bmjopen.bmj.com/cgi/content/short/12/6/e05930901:45
LjLdTal, the oldest study and the one i had in mind is https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03207-w01:48
LjLImmunofluorescence and PCR analyses of intestinal biopsies obtained from asymptomatic individuals at 4 months after the onset of coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) revealed the persistence of SARS-CoV-2 nucleic acids and immunoreactivity in the small bowel of 7 out of 14 individuals. We conclude that the memory B cell response to SARS-CoV-2 evolves between 1.3 and 6.2 months after infection in a manner that is consistent with antigen persistence.01:48
LjLalso found https://files.zotero.net/eyJleHBpcmVzIjoxNjU1NDIzMjk5LCJoYXNoIjoiOGEwZWY2NDRjZTQxMTc2N2M5MjA0NzNhNzEwYTRjZTIiLCJjb250ZW50VHlwZSI6ImFwcGxpY2F0aW9uXC9wZGYiLCJjaGFyc2V0IjoiIiwiZmlsZW5hbWUiOiJDaGVydG93IGV0IGFsLiAtIDIwMjEgLSBTQVJTLUNvVi0yIGluZmVjdGlvbiBhbmQgcGVyc2lzdGVuY2UgdGhyb3VnaG91dCB0aC5wZGYifQ%3D%3D/3a6065e56eb8eab83f201a6e688008d13e09a273e1ea423f649af79108f4f8b6/Chertow%20et%20al.%20-%202021%20-%20SARS-CoV-2%20infection%20and%20persistence%20throughout01:48
LjL%20th.pdf which is more of a let's see where it pops up01:48
dTalwhat an awful link01:49
LjLnice link zotero01:49
LjLdTal, just google "SARS-CoV-2 infection and persistence throughout01:49
LjLthe human body and brain"01:49
LjLwithout the newline01:49
LjLsigh01:49
LjLnice formatting PDF01:49
LjLbut really, check the other one first01:49
LjLit's more meaningful as it's suggesting *live* virus that is replicating and evolving01:49
BrainstormUpdates for Iraq: +413 cases since a day ago — Bulgaria: +240 cases, +9 deaths, +3722 tests since a day ago02:08
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: The medical establishment gaslights doctors, insisting long Covid is ‘psychological’ → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ve01c6/the_medical_establishment_gaslights_doctors/02:43
LjLthat doesn't largely seem to be the case to me02:49
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: SARS News Network (SNN)     (@COVIDnewsfast):   looks like BA 5 has touched down in New York. Earlier than anticipated. Will monitor very closely, BA 5 is looking to be a very formidable strain of Omicron. twitter.com/rajlabn/status… → https://twitter.com/COVIDnewsfast/status/153759768024290099302:53
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Kind of makes the whole test-to-treat program sound a little less worthy of a Presidential statement on national pandemic policy, doesn't it → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153759880348606873603:02
BrainstormUpdates for Colombia: +13810 cases, +24 deaths since 7 days ago — Martinique: +9715 cases, +7 deaths since a day ago — Norway: +569 cases since 23 hours ago — Guyana: +171 cases, +1024 tests since a day ago03:11
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): Reminiscent of the overgeneralization of vaccine protection against transmission from 2 months of observation to essentially forever, allowing WH to declare mission accomplished and drop testing and masking and planning for variant vaccines. → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153760983318827418203:41
Asakoso the vaccines are doing to prevent death& hospitalizations vs BA .4 .5 ?04:05
Asakos/ are not going to04:05
LjLwho said that?04:11
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Coronavirus: ‘We are devastated.’ Doctors angry over DeSantis not ordering COVID vaccines for young kids → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ve1o22/we_are_devastated_doctors_angry_over_desantis_not/04:28
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Substantial (~50-75%) reduction of #LongCovid with Omicron compared with Delta variant, magnitude influenced by age and time since vaccination  @TheLancet thelancet.com/journals/lance… pic.twitter.com/bXoct0sXd1 → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153762613609979494404:47
BrainstormUpdates for Mexico: +9406 cases, +69 deaths, +20908 tests since 22 hours ago05:04
BrainstormNew from r/Science: science: Ancient DNA traces origin of Black Death | Genomes show that plague-causing bacteria found in Kyrgyzstan graves are direct ancestors of those that triggered the medieval pandemic → https://old.reddit.com/r/science/comments/ve2q8z/ancient_dna_traces_origin_of_black_death_genomes/05:06
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): A review of what we know about 3 theories that may represent underpinnings of #LongCovid @ScienceMagazine: (1) microclots, (2) persistent virus, and (3) immune system gone haywirescience.org/content/articl… → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153763409922073395405:16
AsakoLjL: I believe this is what I've been hearing , but06:06
BrainstormUpdates for Germany: +28118 cases since 23 hours ago06:06
Asakothat BA.5 is "more pathogenic" in South Africa for example06:07
BrainstormUpdates for Japan: +13375 cases, +93146 tests since 10 hours ago — Peru: +1352 cases, +11 deaths, +33521 tests since a day ago07:03
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: Impact of local mask mandates upon COVID-19 case rates in Oklahoma → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ve568c/impact_of_local_mask_mandates_upon_covid19_case/07:20
Asakohttps://nitter.net/ethicalpsycholo/status/1537402045786898434#m07:35
BrainstormUpdates for Bogota, Colombia: +10172 cases, +5 deaths since 6 days ago — Texas, United States: +8468 cases since 23 hours ago — Metropolitana, Chile: +5846 cases, +11 deaths since 23 hours ago — Lazio, Italy: +4636 cases, +3 deaths since 23 hours ago07:59
BrainstormNew from MedicineNet: (news): Youth Drinking, Pot Use Went Down During Pandemic → http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp08:18
BrainstormUpdates for Uzbekistan: +59 cases since 23 hours ago09:02
BrainstormNew from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | June 17, 2022: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://old.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/ve7118/daily_discussion_thread_june_17_2022/09:06
BrainstormNew from StatNews: U.S. Covid test makers anticipate layoffs after government reallocates funds: Covid-test makers and health officials alike said the need to trade off between testing and vaccines was dangerous, especially for a virus that is contagious even [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/17/u-s-covid-test-makers-anticipate-layoffs-after-government-reallocates-funds/10:42
BrainstormUpdates for Israel: +7245 cases since 22 hours ago — Russia: +3373 cases, +63 deaths since a day ago — Slovenia: +473 cases, +1 deaths since 22 hours ago12:03
BrainstormNew from r/COVID19: COVID19: CLUES TO LONG COVID Scientists strive to unravel what is driving disabling symptoms → https://old.reddit.com/r/COVID19/comments/ve8xjr/clues_to_long_covid_scientists_strive_to_unravel/12:28
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Latest CDC advice on monkeypox. Maybe just isolating for 3 weeks following exposure could be safer? And hey, would a 3 week #sexdown in MSM community were virus is spreading be so crazy? Then we are done with this... (Combined with a vaccination campaign in [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/153774398443250073612:38
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): The SARSCoV2 full spike protein may perhaps act as biomarker for PASC"Strikingly,we detect SARS-CoV-2 spike antigen in a majority of PASC patients up to 12 months post-diagnosis, suggesting the presence of an active persistent SARS-CoV-2 viral [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/153775069770964582512:57
BrainstormNew from ScienceNews: A COVID-19 vaccine for kids under 5 is nearly here: Babies, toddlers and preschoolers could begin getting immunized against COVID-19 as early as June 21 in the United States. → https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-vaccine-kids-babies-under-5-fda-united-states13:08
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Global COVID Cases For 17JUN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/veaytl/global_covid_cases_for_17jun22/13:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): SARS-CoV-2 couples evasion of inflammatory response to activated nucleotide synthesisNsp9 activates CAD that catalyzes the rate-limiting steps of the de novo pyrimidine synthesis; a potential drug target.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pn… → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153776090150327091413:47
BrainstormUpdates for Malta: +260 cases, +1222 tests since a day ago14:02
BrainstormNew from ECDC: Communicable disease threats report, 12-18 June 2022, week 24: This issue of the ECDC Communicable Disease Threats Report (CDTR) covers the the period 12-18 June 2022 and includes updates on West Nile virus infection, COVID-19, hepatitis, monkeypox, [... want %more?] → https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/communicable-disease-threats-report-12-18-june-2022-week-2414:26
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV: Long-Haul Brain Impacts of COVID ‘Significant’: UCSD – "Some of these participants are high-level professionals who we'd expect to score above average on cognitive assessments, but months after having [... want %more?] → https://old.reddit.com/r/CoronaVirus_2019_nCoV/comments/vec22r/longhaul_brain_impacts_of_covid_significant_ucsd/14:35
BrainstormNew from EMA: Human medicine assessment reports: (news): Human medicines European public assessment report (EPAR): Jcovden (previously COVID-19 Vaccine Janssen), COVID-19 vaccine (Ad26.COV2-S [recombinant]), COVID-19 virus infection, Date of authorisation: 11/03/2021, Revision: [... want %more?] → https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/jcovden-previously-covid-19-vaccine-janssen14:45
BrainstormNew from Reddit (test): nCoV: Coronavirus tally: Florida Gov. DeSantis defends decision not to seek vaccines for under-5-year-olds | 17JUN22 → https://old.reddit.com/r/nCoV/comments/vechxz/coronavirus_tally_florida_gov_desantis_defends/14:55
BrainstormUpdates for Indonesia: +1220 cases, +6 deaths, +75605 tests since 23 hours ago — Philippines: +539 cases, +6 deaths since 23 hours ago14:59
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: us: Public Health Watch: “Rebound” COVID-19 Cases Following Paxlovid Treatment a “Scientific” But Not “Clinical” Concern → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/public-health-watch-rebound-covid-19-cases-following-paxlovid-treatment-a-scientific-but-not-clinical-concern15:05
BrainstormNew from StatNews: FDA approves Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines for infants, toddlers, and preschoolers: The FDA on Friday authorized the Pfizer and Moderna Covid vaccines for use in children as young as six months of age, setting the stage for a [... want %more?] → https://www.statnews.com/2022/06/17/fda-approves-pfizer-and-moderna-covid-vaccines-for-infants-toddlers-and-preschoolers/15:15
BrainstormNew from BioNTech: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for Children 6 Months through 4 Years of Age: In a Phase 2/3 clinical trial, the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine elicited a strong immune response in this [... want %more?] → https://investors.biontech.de/news-releases/news-release-details/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-receives-fda-emergency-use15:25
BrainstormNew from Pfizer: Anonymous: Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Receives FDA Emergency Use Authorization for Children 6 Months through 4 Years of Age → https://www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccine-receives-fda-emergency-use15:35
BrainstormNew from StatNews: Pharma: STAT+: Pharmalittle: FTC warns pharma and PBMs about rebate schemes; WTO reaches Covid vaccine patent waiver deal → https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2022/06/17/covid19-vaccines-patents-wto-pbm-ftc/15:55
BrainstormNew from Contagion Live: FDA Authorizes Moderna and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccines for Children 6 Months and Older: Following VRBPAC recommendations earlier this week, both the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines were FDA-authorized [... want %more?] → https://www.contagionlive.com/view/fda-authorizes-moderna-and-pfizer-biontech-covid-19-vaccines-for-children-6-months-and-older16:35
BrainstormUpdates for UAE: +1433 cases, +382308 tests since a day ago — Spain: +48272 cases, +243 deaths since 2 days ago — Bangladesh: +433 cases, +6905 tests since a day ago — Serbia: +325 cases, +1 deaths, +5774 tests since a day ago17:10
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Just published @Nature The extent of immune evasiveness of Omicron subvariants BA.2.12.1 and BA.4/5 raises concern about effectiveness of the Omicron (BA.1) specific vaccine booster impactnature.com/articles/s4158… pic.twitter.com/2WmXQHmRwr → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153781697096742912017:24
BrainstormUpdates for Singapore: +4085 cases since 4 hours ago17:59
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Michael Lin, MD PhD   (@michaelzlin): As if this was ever in doubt, or shouldn't have happened 6mo ago.Just one word would improve the trust quotient greatly: "Glad to see that the @US_FDA *finally* authorized the COVID-19 vaccines for our youngest children" twitter.com/SecBecerra/sta… → https://twitter.com/michaelzlin/status/153782980251772518418:13
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): We're not going to see it: we're already seeing it! You have no knowledge whatsoever; don't even know what a vaccine is or how it works, but you do have a big mouth full of medical misinformation. Disgusting! And you really can't even read! [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153783650253273907218:41
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): A noteworthy failure of individualized medicine (or  amyloid hypothesis) for prevention of Alzheimer's disease: a randomized, placebo-controlled trial of a monoclonal antibody for people w/ presenilin 1 mutation (amyloid precursor) failed to show [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153783797250184806418:51
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): The Omicron BA.4/5 subvariants are leading to a new wave in Europe and the United States, with an impact of some increase in hospitalizationsft.com/content/8c8715… @SarahNev @JamieSmythF @jburnmurdoch @TWenseleers pic.twitter.com/pBuS7Xc5Li → https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/153784168722495488019:01
BrainstormUpdates for Italy: +36170 cases, +41 deaths, +185819 tests since a day ago — Chile: +13104 cases, +23 deaths, +87467 tests since 22 hours ago — Morocco: +1734 cases since 21 hours ago19:02
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Some beautiful new @jburnmurdoch Omicron BA.1/2/4/5 graphs again, here showing hospitalisations by variant, using "method from Tom Wenseleers" in the @FT. Cool! Well, always sooner than I hope to see these sort of graphs though... twitter.com/EricTopol/stat… → https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/153784560112305766419:21
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Bloom Lab (@jbloom_lab): Great thread worth reading about #SARSCoV2 mutations and antibody escape in the latest Omicron variants. twitter.com/jianfcpku/stat… → https://twitter.com/jbloom_lab/status/153785124781374668819:40
BrainstormUpdates for Canada: +1607 cases since 22 hours ago20:04
BrainstormNew from Virological.org: Latest topics: MinIon-produced Illumina-confirmed genomes of the two first isolated cases from France: . Gorgé, O., Jarjaval, F, Nolent, F., Criqui, A., Lourenco, J., Badaoui, A., Khoury, R., Burrel, S. Lamer, O., Chapus, C., [... want %more?] → https://virological.org/t/minion-produced-illumina-confirmed-genomes-of-the-two-first-isolated-cases-from-france/86820:10
BrainstormNew from COVID19 Vaccine Tracker: (translated) valerie: AnGes: AG0301-COVID19 → https://covid19.trackvaccines.org/vaccines/3/20:40
BrainstormNew from Ars Technica: Science: Long COVID 20-50% less likely after omicron than delta in vaccinated people → https://arstechnica.com/?p=186165720:50
BrainstormNew from CIDRAP: Omicron less likely to lead to long COVID, study finds: Jim Wappes | Editorial Director | CIDRAP News Jun 17, 2022 Though the rate of Omicron long COVID appears to be lower, because the variant causes so much infection, a lot of people are still affected. → https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/06/omicron-less-likely-lead-long-covid-study-finds21:09
BrainstormNew from WebMD: How Much Weight Did We Really Gain During COVID Lockdown?: A small helping of good news from the COVID-19 pandemic: Americans didn’t seem to fill all that time spent at home during the early months of the outbreak by filling their stomachs. → https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20220617/weight-gain-covid-lockdown-study21:58
LjLlooking at the rise of cases now in Italy, i'd again strongly doubt that this virus is seasonal22:03
LjLit's definitely been hot. like, pretty darned hot for June. and yet22:03
BrainstormUpdates for Lebanon: +1266 cases, +1 deaths since 2 days ago — Ethiopia: +856 cases, +4 deaths since 22 hours ago — Montenegro: +98 cases, +726 tests since a day ago — Rwanda: +38 cases since 18 hours ago22:04
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Covid hospital admissions rise in Europe as sub-variants fuel new waveft.com/content/8c8715… pic.twitter.com/RHtTTlqcC8 → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153789180284950528222:27
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: (translated) Marc Veldhoen (@Marc_Veld): Ah; whataboutism.... because of course there is a vaccine against hunger.... oh no. What a comparison not to vaccinate children!! Because yeah... you weren't allowed to go to the shops.... oh, no, not true either.You don't get into a discussion [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/Marc_Veld/status/153789871464734310722:46
BrainstormUpdates for India: +13066 cases since 22 hours ago — Malaysia: +2130 cases, +1 deaths, +41461 tests since a day ago23:00
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): What is long COVID? Please read this @Folkehelseinst No mention of nocebo processes here! @microbeminded2: "I consider Long Covid to be a massive emergency"We need all the research we can muster incl. the Norw Korona Study! @forskningsradet   [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/153790268032391987723:05
BrainstormNew from COVID on Twitter: Gunhild Alvik Nyborg (@GANyborg): @Folkehelseinst @microbeminded2 @forskningsradet What is done to inform MDs in Norway of #LongCovid @legeforeningen, apart from bizarre nocebo theories?And why aren't you sending our manuscript on LC to review @Tidsskriftet, a full month after we [... want %more?] → https://twitter.com/GANyborg/status/153790521804982681723:14

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