| nixonix | .title https://www.news-medical.net/news/20200421/A-new-biosensor-to-quickly-and-reliably-detect-novel-coronavirus.aspx if you remember this | 00:01 |
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| nixonix | .title | 00:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From is.gd: error parsing title ('NoneType' object has no attribute 'string') | 00:02 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.superyachtnews.com/technology/bond-tm-announces-partnership-with-poppy | 00:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.superyachtnews.com: SuperyachtNews.com - Technology - Bond TM announces partnership with Poppy | 00:02 |
| nixonix | some kind of air sniffing biosensor, claims to detect rona | 00:03 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210912/Drugs-that-mimic-effects-of-cigarette-smoke-could-become-a-potential-tool-to-fight-COVID-19.aspx | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.news-medical.net: Drugs that mimic effects of cigarette smoke could become a potential tool to fight COVID-19 | 00:07 |
| nixonix | PAHs, not nicotine... | 00:07 |
| Brainstorm | New from Pfizer: kimkevin: Astellas’ and Pfizer’s XTANDI® (enzalutamide) Reduced Risk of Death by 34% in Men with Metastatic Hormone-Sensitive Prostate Cancer in Phase 3 ARCHES Study → https://is.gd/HFcpSp | 00:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Lancet (Online): [Correspondence] An appeal for an objective, open, and transparent scientific debate about the origin of SARS-CoV-2 – Authors' reply: We write on behalf of our coauthors1 to agree with Jacques van Helden and colleagues that scientists “need to evaluate all hypotheses on a rational basis, and to weigh their likelihood [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/Dqc9ZP | 00:37 |
| LjL | "However, while we need more evidence, the world will remain mired in dispute without full engagement of China, including open access to primary data, documents, and relevant stored material to enable a thorough, transparent, and objective search for all relevant evidence. As we have already seen6 | 01:30 |
| LjL | this engagement is impossible in an environment of implicit or explicit blame placed on the Wuhan Institute of Virology and its scientists. We stand by our statement that “recrimination has not, and will not, encourage international cooperation and collaboration”.1" | 01:30 |
| LjL | so, we can only find out whether it originated from the WIV if we strongly assert that it assuredly did not? | 01:31 |
| qkall[m] | ... i just spent the last few hours debating with a friggen front line nurse... she believes in covid but with a ton of spices of conspiracy (numbers are a lie, vax is shit, and weird solutions are better) | 01:33 |
| qkall[m] | i went to college with her for chemistry | 01:33 |
| qkall[m] | i'm so distraught lol | 01:33 |
| qkall[m] | but i'm thinking maybe we took either entry chem or biochem which ain't really chem | 01:33 |
| qkall[m] | :/ | 01:33 |
| LjL | to be fair qkall[m] i think many of us are questioning a lot of these things. numbers are inaccurate, vaccines are underwhelming compared to their promises, and weird solutions aka treatments give one the feeling they're not being investigated as much as they should | 01:50 |
| LjL | then some people take that to a level where it sounds more like what you've described than what i've described | 01:50 |
| lastshell | I was reading covid came from space | 01:52 |
| lastshell | https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(21)00609-3/fulltext | 01:53 |
| lastshell | is hard to distinguish reality with fiction this days | 01:53 |
| LjL | if the URL looks like a journal's then it's true | 02:03 |
| LjL | but clearly that paper has just mastered the fine art of clickbait headlines | 02:04 |
| nixonix | nothing is true. theres only maybes | 02:04 |
| LjL | eh, i dunno, maybe. | 02:04 |
| LjL | i'm temporarily tired of papers and dubious screenshots from 4chan | 02:05 |
| LjL | how are you guys? i'm feeling rather neutral with a hint of nostalgia | 02:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: English Doctor runs 22 Miles in face Mask to advocate its safety → https://is.gd/akYBB6 | 02:32 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Part of this vexing rests with J&J. AFAIK they have not submitted to FDA or published any data on this vital question, and we have been extrapolating from the very strong immune response and safety from Astra Zeneca 1st shot, mRNA 2nd (better than either vaccine 2 doses) → https://is.gd/DCCRPu | 03:57 |
| lastshell | Sadly I see to many clickbaits news | 04:08 |
| spybert | it pays to be a discriminating internet user and exercise good taste in one's selections :-) | 04:15 |
| lastshell | but I can see the influence | 04:15 |
| lastshell | like today I have to go for groceries, a group of protesters with signs "trust your inmune system, no mandatory vaccinations" | 04:16 |
| lastshell | I understand the mandatory part doesn't make attractive | 04:16 |
| spybert | It's a propaganda war, where cognitive weaknesses are exploited to their fullest. | 04:18 |
| lastshell | yeah and both sides are gilty | 04:18 |
| lastshell | I can see also fear mongering from the news | 04:18 |
| specing | I hope we'd get mandatory vaccinations* and be over with this | 04:19 |
| spybert | It's the only way to win now | 04:19 |
| specing | *provided that people can really pick which vaccine they would like to get | 04:19 |
| lastshell | well there is a group of people, that now they assume there blood will be value like gold because there are not vaccinated | 04:20 |
| lastshell | humans are very stupid creatures | 04:20 |
| spybert | and at some point in future there will be far fewer humans than there are now. Global warming is past the tipping | 04:22 |
| spybert | point | 04:22 |
| lastshell | true, I hope then the human race focus in the real problems | 04:24 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: India vaccinates 25 million people in a single day → https://is.gd/RbmpHP | 06:03 |
| spybert | lastshell: There is no way the climate change problem ends without a lot of people dying. | 06:16 |
| Brainstorm | New from This Week In Virology: TWiV 806: COVID-19 clinical update #80 with Dr. Daniel Griffin: In COVID-19 clinical update #80, Daniel Griffin reviews infections in children, masking, testing to limit transmission, high barrier for monoclonal antibody escape, are boosters needed, use of steroids, grants for long COVID, and how the pandemic unfolds in Africa. → https://is.gd/4gD6aj | 06:24 |
| Nognosis | hi | 06:46 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: France suspends 3,000 unvaccinated health workers without pay → https://is.gd/r23OZZ | 07:37 |
| sdfgsdfg | %cases uk | 08:12 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: United Kingdom has had 6.9 million confirmed cases (10.4% of all people) and 133082 deaths (1.9% of cases) as of 8 hours ago. 273.3 million tests were done (2.5% positive). 48.1 million were vaccinated (72.4%). See https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/ | 08:12 |
| sdfgsdfg | %cases burma | 08:26 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: Sorry, burma not found. Either there aren't cases, or it's under a different name. | 08:26 |
| sdfgsdfg | burma ? burmese bandits | 08:27 |
| sdfgsdfg | %cases myanmar | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: Myanmar has had 409509 confirmed cases (0.8% of all people) and 15693 deaths (3.8% of cases) as of 9 hours ago. 3.7 million tests were done (11.2% positive). 4.5 million were vaccinated (8.2%). See https://offloop.net/covid19/?default=Myanmar | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | sdfgsdfg: If you know of an official or otherwise good site for data about Myanmar, with a reasonably short URL, please %tell LjL about it. | 08:27 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/Coronavirus: Daily Discussion Thread | September 18, 2021: Please refer to our Wiki for more information on COVID-19 and our sub. You can find answers to frequently asked questions in our FAQ , where there is valuable information such as our: → https://is.gd/1Stdsn | 09:01 |
| Brainstorm | New from BioNTech: FDA Advisory Committee Votes Unanimously in Favor of COMIRNATY® Booster for Emergency Use in People 65 and Older and Certain High-Risk Populations: Committee reviewed clinical data showing a booster dose of COMIRNATY ® elicits high neutralization titers against SARS-CoV-2 and all currently tested variants Reactogenicity profile [... want %more?] → https://is.gd/fYqEg1 | 09:43 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: 1st case of COVID in American Samoa arrives on Hawaii flight → https://is.gd/6ZHGXj | 10:14 |
| richard | I got my second shot last monday, only until now I start to feel alright again. | 11:05 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Scossa sui vaccini: la corsa al green pass fa volare le prenotazioni nelle Regioni: L’annuncio sull’obbliglo di green pass nei luoghi di lavoro da metà ottobre fa ripartire le adesioni alla campagna vaccinale in diverse Regioni. → https://is.gd/aNhZfa | 11:06 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Italy makes COVID-19 ‘Green Pass’ mandatory for all workers → https://is.gd/zQsJGI | 11:37 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Empty desk array at UN spotlights lost learning in pandemic → https://is.gd/2jkKYq | 11:58 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: Lions, tigers recovering after Covid infection at Washington’s National Zoo → https://is.gd/12VCCT | 12:50 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Afghanistan: Girls excluded as Afghan secondary schools reopen → https://is.gd/NG5SZn | 13:11 |
| Brainstorm | New from Reddit (test): nCoV: Vaccine nasal sprays aim to ‘shut door’ on COVID-19 | 18SEP21 → https://is.gd/ALPpOK | 13:23 |
| TurboTech | Up Early people. Anyone home? | 13:28 |
| TurboTech | .title https://www.aimspress.com/article/id/60e6a505ba35de0d2f821cbd | 13:28 |
| Brainstorm | TurboTech: From www.aimspress.com: Kawasaki like disease in SARS-CoV-2 infected children – a key role for neutrophil and macrophage extracellular traps | 13:28 |
| TurboTech | Why is it that you look up almost every weird disease that people end up with after Covid 19 infection NLRP3 is a potential driver? | 13:30 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: WHO warns lack of COVID-19 vaccine supply in Africa could make it breeding ground for new variants and ‘send the whole world back to square one’ → https://is.gd/FXdrGD | 13:32 |
| darsie | It's a game. | 14:01 |
| jbwncster | Someone on Nextdoor neighborhood said that covid is 99.8% survivable if you get it. I wanna send them to the icu at a hospital | 14:02 |
| specing | jbwncster: how old are they? | 14:11 |
| jbwncster | Idk but they’re an adult | 14:12 |
| specing | it's at least 99.8% survivable for like.. everyone under 70 or so? | 14:12 |
| specing | or under 60? Idk | 14:12 |
| jbwncster | No | 14:13 |
| jbwncster | Most people dying right now are children | 14:13 |
| specing | I find that very, very hard to believe | 14:17 |
| TurboTech | I do not think we can substantiate that most of the people dying are childred. | 14:17 |
| specing | the youngest person in ICU in my country is 17 or so | 14:17 |
| TurboTech | children | 14:17 |
| TurboTech | That might be too broad of a statement. | 14:19 |
| specing | there's probably more deaths from vaccines below 30 years of age than from covid | 14:20 |
| specing | especially as *carditis seems more prevalent in younger population | 14:20 |
| specing | long covid is still a risk, though | 14:20 |
| darsie | Maybe 99.8% survivable if you're vaccinated. | 14:29 |
| MerlinMp[m] | <jbwncster> "Someone on Nextdoor neighborhood..." <- How many people after covid do you know not from the hospital? | 14:29 |
| jbwncster | specing: 29% of all cocos cases at the hospitals are children under 12 in usa | 14:30 |
| jbwncster | Covid * | 14:31 |
| specing | source? | 14:31 |
| darsie | jbwncster: Are you using automatic error insertion? | 14:31 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Hundreds arrested in Australian anti-lockdown protests → https://is.gd/dqcCQq | 14:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from Il Sole 24 Ore: Salute: Dal vaccino che «non protegge» alle varianti «colpa dei vaccinati»: le risposte dell’Iss → https://is.gd/SwxDCO | 14:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Private companies are exploiting international travelers with outrageous COVID-19 testing costs → https://is.gd/wpyw4W | 15:07 |
| lastshell | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7PEhsmCmrE for the front line perspective: 70-75% unvaccinated, 25-30% vaccinated (steroids is the main helper) 3 high risk groups are: elderly population, comorbidities especially diabetes, lung desiease other medical conditions and overweight/obese, for soem reason more man than women are affected | 15:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from The Indian Express: World: UK to roll out life-saving COVID-19 treatment which was given to Donald Trump → https://is.gd/Js2Ari | 16:10 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): 65 years later, different pathogen, what else changed?Still a vaccine card in 2021 A need for a booster 5 months laterYet major reluctance (Roberto’s wording“fuss”) to accept 3rd doseUnwillingness of large proportion of US population to get any vaccination twitter.com/robertoburioni… → https://is.gd/3EnPv0 | 16:21 |
| Brainstorm | New from LitCovid: (news): Campus Collaborations As a Model for Transforming SARS-CoV-2 Wastewater Surveillance Research into Public Health Action. → https://is.gd/Q1Y5s0 | 17:04 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Incredulous.More than 1,700 health care workers in San Diego are seeking religious exemptions to avoid getting a vaccine.@sdut pic.twitter.com/RG6ZDMZ8Sg → https://is.gd/odPXxm | 18:50 |
| spybert | I would laugh at those stories of healthcare anti-vaxxers, but I've met some of them. Weirdest thing ever. | 18:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Rapid evolutionary adaptation in the spike S1 SARS-CoV2 protein, with the ratio of nonsynonymous to synonymous mutations (dN/dS) in S1 now being ~2.1, more than 4 times greater than in the equivalent influenza HA1 subunit. A neutral model of evolution would have implied dN/dS=1. twitter.com/trvrb/status/1… → https://is.gd/ZpH6ZI | 19:00 |
| MerlinMp[m] | <spybert> "I would laugh at those stories..." <- This is obvious if others dont respect their choice that they provide some stupid justification. Was justification mandatory? | 19:08 |
| -RSSBot[LjLmatrix- Zotero / COVID links Group / Top-Level Items: Characterizing Long COVID in an International Cohort: 7 Months of Symptoms and Their Impact ( https://www.zotero.org/groups/covid_links/items/DT35FAKS ) | 19:44 | |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Tom Wenseleers (@TWenseleers): Share of people who received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine in Cuba now exceeds that same figure for the US. Quite a feat, and using their own Soberana 02 & Soberana Plus vaccines. twitter.com/FabrizioChiodo… → https://is.gd/1XsXEf | 19:53 |
| joerg | logging changed freenode -> libera http://reisenweber.net/irclogs/libera/__covid-19/latest.log.html | 19:53 |
| IndoAnon | "without context, saying how you obtained them, who elaborated the data and were from are just scaremongering" | 20:10 |
| IndoAnon | "I think the vaccines leave a lot to be desired, but that is not the way" | 20:10 |
| IndoAnon | Forgive me for this late response. I happened to be asleep when you sent the msg. First, It's my own bias, thinking that You and other fellas are well aware of the existence of such high-profile meeting. Thus, I don't see any need to give editorial remarks, as the slide's message would be affected by my own biases. | 20:14 |
| ublx | we were all aware of the high profile meeting; we also generally have come to expect that people who post images unbidden and without remarks are not often attempting to be useful | 20:17 |
| IndoAnon | Beside, I believed that those slides are well made and written properly - - unambiguous - - at least from what I perceived. Thus, it should be let to stands on its own merit, as intended by the slide's maker. | 20:17 |
| ublx | it is reasonable to expect the poster to at least introduce such things; "Don't make your reader do the writer's work." | 20:18 |
| ublx | also, provide links to the original source and companion documents | 20:19 |
| IndoAnon | On the other hand, You saw what I do as a disservice to this channel. Not because the narration, but the lack of it, despite the slide author's remarks. Well, there's also like hours of video footage of presentation and back-and-forth discussions between those FDA advisors, ublx. I think the slide author would be roasted by other participants if it's not based on evidence | 20:20 |
| LjL | are these slides leaks? the voting? or is it all recorded? | 20:20 |
| LjL | the slides came with some potentially worrisome facts but those facts weren't referenced to anything | 20:21 |
| ublx | IndoAnon: you require your readers to spend time and effort investigating the provenance of your posts. Don't do that. | 20:21 |
| LjL | which i guess is okay as long as they are slides and the person talking is saying it comes from this and that study | 20:21 |
| LjL | but we don't have that, at least not from what you posted | 20:21 |
| IndoAnon | The twitter people would have said, "X doctor got roasted by other doctors during nth FDA meeting" | 20:21 |
| LjL | so i'm left with numbers that worry me slightly, without knowing how to place them, where they came from (except for "they were discussed at the FDA meeting", but that doesn't tell me much) | 20:21 |
| LjL | there's also a concern i have that's i guess a bit more of a practical concern with the Matrix side, that the discussion gets swamped by pictures. on IRC they're links, on Matrix it's a bit yikes | 20:22 |
| LjL | i don't think the slides "speak for themselves" really... they make claims in a very short format. the way i have them, just as images, i don't really have any tools to dig into those claims | 20:23 |
| LjL | if i do and just don't realize, please tell me what they are... but if you can do that, what i'm saying is please do it in the first place | 20:23 |
| IndoAnon | ublx: Yes, I think people who are on this channel by far, has reviewed more medical papers than like 50% of doctors in the world last year | 20:24 |
| LjL | that might not be wrong, doctors were probably busier seeing patients :P | 20:24 |
| LjL | which is kind of an issue, really. but also maybe unavoidable | 20:24 |
| LjL | it's an issue that there are *so many* papers, always. they're literally impossible to even cursorily review all | 20:25 |
| IndoAnon | And, that's why high number of doctor died during the first half of 2020, because they're too busy to turn on their TV | 20:25 |
| IndoAnon | no info, no ppe | 20:26 |
| IndoAnon | Well, tv and basically everything | 20:26 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): By ignoring/denying data, fully replicated by many independent reports, all that does is detract from public trust and discount the ability for people to process 2 messages: 1-Vaccines are extremely effective2-A 3rd dose will be necessary in some to counter the effect of waning → https://is.gd/HO9M3i | 20:35 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Denialism about any hole in the vaccination story isn't going to get us anywhere. Tell the hard truths. Protect the vaccinated, who have needed to know about this issue since it first surfaced. The anti-vaxxers will distort everything; fear of feeding that is unfounded. → https://is.gd/n3hSuM | 20:45 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Along these lines, yesterday's CDC report of a statistically significant 14 per cent point drop (91>77) vs hospitalization after 4 months for Pfizer's vaccine, irrespective of age, is notable cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/7… pic.twitter.com/dmeQAxdIWu → https://is.gd/FG9bXz | 20:56 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: Nike and Amazon among brands advertising on Covid conspiracy sites → https://is.gd/Qv4KON | 21:17 |
| lastshell | kind of long video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR_irr2zyaQ | 21:38 |
| nixonix | .title https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1439295350162948098 | 22:02 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From twitter.com: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): "This culminated in @TheLancet commentary this week by 2 FDA scientists, @WHO, and others "To date, none of these studies has provided evidence of substantially declining [...] | 22:02 |
| nixonix | topol: "That is pure denial." | 22:03 |
| Brainstorm | New from r/WorldNews: worldnews: FDA panel votes against broad rollout of Pfizer booster shot, endorses narrower use → https://is.gd/bJwWFT | 23:01 |
| nixonix | are we ready for self-spreading vaccines? they found key mutations for increasing transmissibility (to beat delta) using serial passage in vero cells | 23:19 |
| nixonix | "binding to heparan sulfate on the cellular membrane appears to be the mechanism of primary attachment of the virus before the high affinity interaction of the spike with the cellular ACE2 receptor | 23:19 |
| nixonix | “An important characteristic of the double mutant is that its further evolution in cultured cells appears to be unlikely,” Frolov said. He says the recombinant single mutants continued to accumulate various second-site mutations in further passages, while the double mutant that contained both the amino acid insertion and S686G was stable and | 23:20 |
| nixonix | did not acquire additional changes | 23:20 |
| nixonix | similar changes have been studied with some alphacoronaviruses: "Importantly, these evolved alphaviruses were usually dramatically less pathogenic in mice and humans. | 23:20 |
| nixonix | “As with the heparan sulfate-binding mutants of other RNA+ viruses, the evolved SARS-CoV-2 may also be attenuated in vivo, particularly the double mutant that demonstrates the most adapted phenotype,” Frolov said. “Thus, they may also be used as a basis for development of stable live attenuated vaccines for COVID-19.” | 23:21 |
| nixonix | .title https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/928580 | 23:21 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From www.eurekalert.org: The COVID-19 virus rapidly evolves to higher | EurekAlert! | 23:21 |
| nixonix | while nasal, and probably oral, vaccines have been too weak for systemic immune response, live-attenuated nasal or oral vaccines could work | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | New from COVID tweets: Eric Topol (@EricTopol): Responses to the @US_FDA @Pfizer booster reviewnytimes.com/2021/09/18/wor…In alignment w/ @ashishkjha and @DrPaulOffit Would have liked to see a data-driven 60+ cutoff, but otherwise a very good outcome → https://is.gd/uKto2Q | 23:22 |
| nixonix | .title https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.01357-21 | 23:22 |
| Brainstorm | nixonix: From journals.asm.org: Natural isolate and recombinant SARS-CoV-2 rapidly evolve in vitro to higher infectivity through more efficient binding to heparan sulfate and reduced S1/S2 cleavage. | Journal of Virology | 23:22 |
| nixonix | they tried to develop HIV vaccine attenuating the virus, but when they made it weak enough to be safe, it was too weak for protective immune response | 23:24 |
| sdfgsdfg_ | hey, doctors etc keep saying there's decades of data on mRNA vaccines but it's only been used since 2017 ??? How do we even know if our natural immune system adaptation will not be affected in the long run ? Those modified T-Cells actually protect against terminal illnesses !? | 23:32 |
| sdfgsdfg_ | not to mention in the history of vaccines going wrong and SV-40 issue especially with the polio vaccines, a new study suggests hundreds of millions of polio vaccinated people in U.S alone had an increased incidence of certain cancers. | 23:34 |
| sdfgsdfg_ | Referenced from: National Library of Medicine - Cancer risk associated with simian virus 40 polio vaccine S G Fisher, L Weber, M Carbone | 23:34 |
| nixonix | probably all the vaccines and viral, maybe some bacterial too, have some effect on innate immunity. those findings are pretty recent, so not a lot is known about it | 23:41 |
| nixonix | but similarly we would need to worry about all the colds, vaccines etc. maybe some changes to it would be bad, we just dont know, and dont have a control | 23:41 |
| sdfgsdfg | not a lot is known ? decades down the line they are finding lots of sv-40 dna in peoples tumors | 23:43 |
| sdfgsdfg | that's quite conclusive | 23:43 |
| nixonix | " In 1960, it was discovered that Simian Virus 40 (SV40) contaminated up to 30% of the poliovirus vaccines in the US" | 23:43 |
| nixonix | those approved vaccines are prob not contaminated by some virus | 23:43 |
| nixonix | "Poliovirus vaccine contaminated with live simian virus 40 (SV40), a macaque polyomavirus that is tumorigenic in rodents" | 23:44 |
| sdfgsdfg | one hundred million american in 1950s got approved vaccines which are only found to be contaminated years or decades later | 23:44 |
| nixonix | so it was not that the polio vaccine caused cancers, but the virus it was contaminated with, back in the 60s | 23:44 |
| nixonix | luckily another 60 years have passed, and less likely the same to happen | 23:45 |
| sdfgsdfg | I wouldn't call it "contamination", the virus is part of the vaccine isn't it :D | 23:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | I don't understand why it's suddenly called "oh it seems to be contaminated" | 23:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | it's a bit funny | 23:46 |
| nixonix | you mean that 1960 vaccine or current ones? | 23:46 |
| sdfgsdfg | 1960 :) | 23:46 |
| nixonix | i have no idea, but if those studies say it was contaminated, but somebody says in irc, it was part of the vaccine... i think without good evidence with an extraordinary claim, i go with the study results | 23:47 |
| nixonix | btw, what is your source to the idea it was part of the vaccine, back in 1960? could you link it? | 23:49 |
| sdfgsdfg | ok, WHO says it escaped detection when they used monkey kidney cultures to prepare the vaccine | 23:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | fair enough | 23:51 |
| sdfgsdfg | this could still be a biblical event though, maybe some autoimmune disease on the horizon... lol | 23:53 |
| nixonix | did you have a source to the idea or was it your own? | 23:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | that it was a biblical event ? read bible | 23:53 |
| nixonix | that "part of the vaccine" idea, the polio vax | 23:53 |
| sdfgsdfg | I just interpreted the paper wrong | 23:54 |
| nixonix | ok | 23:54 |
| sdfgsdfg | I did think it was supposed to be part of the vaccine | 23:54 |
| LjL | sdfgsdfg, that virus wasn't *meant* to be "part of the vaccine". the vaccine was a *different* virus | 23:57 |
| LjL | anyway they've found some contamination in some batches of mRNA vaccines in Japan (not with viruses, but with... metal?!) | 23:58 |
| LjL | so yeah, we don't know with absolute certainty these vaccines are or will be harmless | 23:58 |
| sdfgsdfg | of covid vaccines !??? | 23:58 |
| LjL | we do know with absolute certainty that COVID is pretty damned nasty though | 23:58 |
| LjL | %s japan covid vaccine batches metal | 23:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | wow | 23:59 |
| Brainstorm | LjL, 235000.0 hits: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/japan-finds-stainless-steel-particles-suspended-doses-moderna-vaccine-2021-09-01/ (Moderna to recall COVID-19 doses in Japan after stainless steel) — https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/09/02/national/takeda-moderna-recall/ (Moderna to recall COVID-19 doses in Japan over stainless ...) [... want %more?] | 23:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | that's crazy :) You're right about vaccine, but I think individuals need to calculate their own risk associated with their age bracket | 23:59 |
| sdfgsdfg | I am 31 and I don't think I'd end up in hospital | 23:59 |
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