libera/#devuan-dev/ Friday, 2021-09-03

rrqnote: and will be down for awhile sometime  within the coming 12 hours00:50
bb|hcbLeePen: I have missed that the config file is inherited from the replaced udev package; now your patch makes sense01:41
gnu_srs1LeePen: Thanks for the patch. Looking at the debian.maintscript file most of the files referred to are no longer present in the source.11:30
gnu_srs1Couldn't we just remove that file?11:30
LeePengnu_srs1: Yes, eudev.maintscript looks like it has lots of udev migration cruft in. But I don't know/understand the background.11:33
LeePenI think bb|hcb tried just removing the file and got an initramfs error.11:33
gnu_srs1s/debian.maintscript/eudev.maintscript/ of course :D11:50
masonLeePen: Re: the AppArmor profile email I just read, an interesting note is that Debian's kernel doesn't have the bits needed to do network containment with AppArmor. I don't know if that's relevant to the dhcp/chrony thing, but seeing network tools and AppArmor in the same sentence makes me want to note that.18:41
masonThis is true in both Buster and Bullseye.18:42
LeePenmason: Interesting. Even more evidence that it is their problem to deal with.19:07
LeePenI have removed apparmor from all my systems anyway.19:07
masonI like the idea but it's frustrating that bits are missing - and particularly the bits I most want to use.19:18
masonLeePen: If you look at apparmor.d(5) in either Beowulf or Chimaera, the first section notes what's missing.19:18
bb|hcbLeePen: yep. about eudev, removing /etc/udev/udev.conf is not an option - that breaks update-initramfs (and maybe ton of other things that have the path hardcoded)23:36
bb|hcbI have got a new toy (no legacy boot supported, also it seems that secure boot can not be switched off in bios - there is an option that reverts to enabled by itself) and both devuan_beowulf_3.1.1_amd64_netinstall.iso and devuan_chimaera_4.0.beta-20210830_amd64_netinstall.iso do not boot; I have tried debian-11.0.0-amd64-netinst.iso and it boots OK23:44
masonbb|hcb: The full live images consistently boot for me where the netinstall images don't.23:45
masonbb|hcb: Also note that you can do a Beowulf debootstrap install from Debian media, but there's no backing file set for Chimaera yet.23:45
bb|hcbfsck! in office I have 10g, but here only 5m :) is there some unofficial image that I can try?23:48
bb|hcbbootstrapping is PITA, I believe it would be easier to install debian 10 and convert by rrq's script23:48
gnu_srs1bb|hcb: So you removed the file /etc/udev/udev.conf? What about removing debian/eudev.maintscript? I'll try this out tomorrow.23:49
bb|hcbgnu_srs1: somewhere above there is a patch from LeePen - I believe that is the most safe way - it removes the lines from eudev.maintscript that remove /etc/udev/udev.conf23:50
bb|hcbgnu_srs1: touching the rest of the stuff without understanding is, erhm, not a good idea at best23:51

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