Oksana | DocScrutinizer05: I am guessing that I would need to switch off N900 (and possibly take out the battery?) before removing antenna and seeing the state of contact point with the C-spring. Or would it be sufficient to go into offline mode instead of switching off N900?.. | 03:36 |
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Joerg-Neo900 | the latter, as long as you manage to remove antenna without complete assembly | 04:54 |
Joerg-Neo900 | Oksana: ^^^ | 04:54 |
Joerg-Neo900 | and thanks for your reasonable post on some pretty emotional rant thread. What a silly idea to nuke parts of a forum because ... yeah why? Because some dude doesn't want to see it anymore? Then I'd suggest not looking that direction | 04:56 |
Joerg-Neo900 | you as well could ask for complete tmo getting binned because nobody using Tor can visit it | 04:58 |
paul_boddie | "What a silly idea to nuke parts of a forum because ... yeah why? Because some dude doesn't want to see it anymore?" | 16:24 |
paul_boddie | That would be the buffoon who moaned and nagged about Neo900 "needing" to use PayPal, I guess. | 16:25 |
paul_boddie | It's really unfortunate to hear that the plans with PIA didn't lead anywhere in the end. | 16:26 |
Joerg-Neo900 | EU legislation regulates call pricing: max 0.19€/minute for *any* calls in EU to/from cellphones, max 0.06€ per 160char SMS. In effect today | 17:48 |
Joerg-Neo900 | paul_boddie: (unfortunate) yeah | 17:48 |
paul_boddie | About pricing: about <insert expletive> time. Shame that the operators all target "data whales" with their products now, though. | 17:49 |
paul_boddie | I got into a rant about Free Software on mobile again recently. It doesn't help that I was looking at viable phones and found practically zero. | 17:50 |
paul_boddie | One vendor that came up in discussion was this one: https://www.shiftphones.com/ | 17:51 |
paul_boddie | Like Fairphone but German and still learning the same lessons about the software, it seems. | 17:51 |
paul_boddie | Really disheartening to find that the best the glorious market has to offer is something that *maybe* runs LineageOS if the planets are in alignment. | 17:53 |
dazinism | Maybe worth checking out new wave of AOSP forks GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, HashbangOS and RattlesnakeOS | 18:16 |
dazinism | Currently only on Pixel phones, but CalyxOS is working on support for Mi A2 & GrapheneOS hopes to also support a less expensive phone soon(ish?) | 18:18 |
paul_boddie | The problem is that few of these Android forks ever really get beyond Pixel support, as far as I can tell. | 18:19 |
paul_boddie | So there's a brief flash of relevant premium product support and then browsing these Web sites is like looking at a museum catalogue. | 18:21 |
paul_boddie | Admittedly, Mi A2 is not premium, but then one reads all sorts of things about Xiaomi, unlocking, unhappy customers, and so on. | 18:21 |
dazinism | All these require phones that get regular security updates from phone vendor and device support for verified boot with an alternative OS | 18:21 |
paul_boddie | Yes, if it isn't one thing then it's another. The planets must be in alignment. | 18:22 |
dazinism | Not many phones offer this. Android One phones bring a commitment from manufacturers for regular updates | 18:22 |
paul_boddie | I guess Android One is another Google figleaf, covering over the unsustainability of the mobile industry. | 18:24 |
dazinism | > The planets must be in alignment. | 18:25 |
dazinism | Need to buy the right device | 18:25 |
paul_boddie | (Honest speculation: I don't follow Android development.) | 18:25 |
paul_boddie | What is the right device? Honest question. | 18:25 |
dazinism | The pixel 3a makes price a bit more affordable. So far none of these OSs support them, but I expect it will come. | 18:25 |
dazinism | Guess need to watch these OSs and see what devices get support. | 18:26 |
paul_boddie | Pixel devices aren't available where I live: it's all Google Home Surveillance. | 18:27 |
dazinism | I think android one is a genuine attempt to provide less rubbish android devices. | 18:28 |
paul_boddie | $399, apparently. Well, not the usual gold-plated stuff, I suppose. | 18:28 |
paul_boddie | I think that if anything from Google were genuine, they would decisively deal with the unsustainable software and hardware stack. | 18:29 |
paul_boddie | But I imagine that they just find a way for the SoC vendors to deploy their blobs for a bit longer than usual. | 18:29 |
paul_boddie | Still, if any of the open hardware phone projects succeeds, even without a full software stack, maybe that will provide a workable platform for general software development. | 18:34 |
clapont | hi, everyone! | 19:49 |
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