| brolin_empey | Every time I try to use my N900, I remember why I obsoleted it in 2014: because the user experience is so bad that it is practically unusable. Most recently, I wanted to check if the https://webuyurride.com/ Web site still loads in Maemo 5 with the current TLS configuration of this Web site. I am almost certain that it still does but I could not actually check because the user interface on my N900 is so slow to respond that it is practically impossible to | 10:35 |
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| brolin_empey | use. My N900 makes Windows 8.1 on my Dell Latitude X1 from 2005 with 1.1-GHz Pentium M CPU, 2 GiB of main memory, and a PATA SSD seem lightning fast. :-P | 10:35 |
| bencoh | well, n900 *is* slower hardware-wise, you know ... and nowadays web browsing is straining for most old devices | 10:40 |
| KotCzarny | bencoh: more like web crawling | 10:41 |
| bencoh | huhu | 10:41 |
| brolin_empey | I gave up on waiting for the user interface to respond before I was actually able to try loading the Web site in question but I saw that I had already loaded it months ago because it was still open. | 10:43 |
| brolin_empey | Speaking of TLS, I do not think I mentioned here that apparently Microsoft has succeeded to configure the microsoft.com public Web site so that it can no longer be loaded by Internet Explorer 8 on Windows XP Service Pack 3 although both Vivaldi and Firefox, both the final versions released for Windows XP, can still load microsoft.com . Apparently microsoft.com now uses some CHACHA cipher (?) for HTTPS, which is also used by https://github.com/ , which | 10:51 |
| brolin_empey | cannot be loaded by a Web browser in Debian GNU+Linux 7.0 from 2013. | 10:51 |
| brolin_empey | My 1998 New Beetle TDI after the EGR system clogged the intake manifold of the engine seemed fast compared to my N900. :-P | 10:57 |
| sicelo | comparing a device with 0.6Hz ARM cpu & 0.25GB RAM with a device having 1.1GHz x86 cpu and 2GB ram ... | 11:15 |
| brolin_empey | A 0.6 Hz CPU? :-D | 11:25 |
| brolin_empey | Seriously, though, even the tower computer I used in 2001 with a 300-MHz Celeron (original, based on Pentium II) CPU and, when it stopped being upgraded, 128 MiB of main memory running Windows 95 or Windows 98 from a PATA HDD was fast compared to my N900. My N900 is seriously practically unusable because the user interface takes so long to respond. | 11:31 |
| bencoh | *was* fast | 11:31 |
| bencoh | anyway | 11:31 |
| Wizzup | I don't think the ui takes long too respond. | 11:32 |
| KotCzarny | unless swapped out | 11:32 |
| bencoh | indeed | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | which is often the case on n900 and with more than one app running | 11:33 |
| KotCzarny | or big sms/phone db | 11:33 |
| brolin_empey | I used past tense because I no longer have the 300-MHz Celeron computer because it stopped working due to a hardware issue. I still have a tower computer with a 400-MHz Pentium II CPU. Yes, I upgraded it to have 512 MiB of main memory but it could have only 256 MiB to match the N900 if I removed one of the two DIMMs installed. Anyway, the P2-400 would still respond faster than my N900 if I still used the P2-400. | 11:38 |
| brolin_empey | I have run Windows 7 on the P2-400 computer. | 11:43 |
| dreamer | meh, my n900 screen is starting to desplay some glitches in certain positions | 11:48 |
| Wizzup | 11:33 < KotCzarny> which is often the case on n900 and with more than one app running | 11:51 |
| Wizzup | not in my experience | 11:52 |
| Wizzup | but eh | 11:52 |
| brolin_empey | Even Windows 95 running on an 80386, even the fastest 40-MHz 80386DX from AMD because Intel stopped at 33 MHz, may respond faster than my N900. :-P | 11:52 |
| * Wizzup sighs | 11:53 | |
| bencoh | . . . | 11:53 |
| * bencoh joins Wizzup | 11:53 | |
| brolin_empey | I mean the GUI may respond faster, not that an 80386 computer is faster than the N900. | 11:55 |
| brolin_empey | My N900 sometimes literally takes at least a minute to respond to pressing something on the screen, if it ever does respond. | 11:57 |
| brolin_empey | I am not currently at home, where my N900 is, but it is seriously practically unusable because the GUI takes so long to respond. | 12:02 |
| dreamer | time to reinstall? | 12:03 |
| * dreamer still uses his n900 daily | 12:03 | |
| dreamer | (but this screen-glitch is worrying) | 12:03 |
| brolin_empey | I do not need an N900. I like my LG G5 but I wish it had an AMOLED display instead of only an IPS AMLCD. | 12:15 |
| brolin_empey | I could use a Galaxy Note 4 with AMOLED display but it can officially run only up to Android OS version 6, which is old, and I do not want to replace the stock/official OS after my bad experience with replacing the stock/official OS on my Galaxy Note 3. | 12:21 |
| brolin_empey | I would not use a Galaxy Note 5 nor newer even if someone gave it to me because the difficult to remove battery really sucks. | 12:23 |
| brolin_empey | Difficult to access at all, not only to remove. | 12:23 |
| mp107 | Hi, Referring to browsing the Web on older devices topic recently I came across some interesting idea of rendering the whole website on remote device and proxy to the old device only website screenshot (with "clickable" links on top of image): https://github.com/tenox7/wrp/ | 12:50 |
| mp107 | This way one can avoid/workaround 1. Low device power 2. Using new, unsupported on old device ciphers | 12:51 |
| mp107 | And 3. Using any JavaScipt on device | 12:53 |
| mp107 | *JavaScript | 12:53 |
| brolin_empey | mp107: That would not help in my case because the cellular Internet connectivity on the N900 in Canada is too slow even if only browsing with HTTP or with HTTPS configurations supported by the client. | 13:17 |
| brolin_empey | That is another part of my reason for obsoleting my N900 in 2014: because I finally got cellular Internet connectivity in that year and discovered that the cellular Internet connectivity on the N900 in Canada is so slow that it is often practically unusable. | 13:23 |
| brolin_empey | Which may be part of the reason that the N900 was never officially released in Canada. | 13:25 |
| bencoh | mp107: looks nice, although I wonder how well it'd work with javascript | 13:44 |
| bencoh | I guess it'd be worth a try | 13:45 |
| bencoh | well ... that's interesting, for the least | 14:40 |
| bencoh | it's not exactly nice from a UX point of view, though | 14:40 |
| bencoh | it's probably as good as it could be without javascript (at all) | 14:41 |
| bencoh | meaning that every click is an effective page refresh, from the client pov | 14:41 |
| bencoh | apart from that it's nice | 14:42 |
| mp107 | I always wondered if there was any Opera Mini-like open source proxy. Not a (just) compressing proxy but rather also converting website to its lighter form | 14:49 |
| KotCzarny | any ad removing proxy is instand lighterizer proxy | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | *instant | 14:50 |
| mp107 | This seems to be the closest (yet simple and a little bit crude in its idea) I found. | 14:50 |
| KotCzarny | unfortunatelly js is the biggest offender, next come big images | 14:51 |
| mp107 | KotCzarny: For some extent, indeed it is. | 14:51 |
| mp107 | Images are at least easy to get rid off (or rather cut off from the website) | 14:51 |
| mp107 | Scripts are much more tightly "glued" | 14:52 |
| bencoh | "Polipo will no longer be maintained" oh :/ | 14:54 |
| KotCzarny | i know, i run all my firefoxes with noscript extension | 14:54 |
| mp107 | To be honest, I came across this "proxy" in this article (Polish language): https://www.dobreprogramy.pl/web-rendering-proxy-retro-pc,News,103136.html | 14:54 |
| bencoh | hmm, privoxy is no longer maintained either | 14:57 |
| KotCzarny | i wrote me my own filtering proxy in c, simple, yet effective | 14:58 |
| bencoh | KotCzarny: unfortunately noscript / adblockers can be quite heavy on some embedded devices (say, n900) | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | nukes most of the trash | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | binary is ~80kB | 14:58 |
| KotCzarny | and uses shell matching, which is tad lighter and easy to write rules | 14:59 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hosts file blocking | 20:55 |
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