libera/#maemo/ Saturday, 2019-04-13

brolin_empeyhttps://www.interfax.net/en/prices sounded good until I found this part of the terms of service (https://www.interfax.net/en/terms/us):03:24
brolin_empeyYour pre-payment will expire if unused for 12 months from the date of purchase or from the date of last use, whichever is later, except where such expiry is prohibited by law.03:24
WikiwideTime synchronisation is still an issue. The tiny circular battery is literally rusty, the change of the main battery results in "Set the time and date" wizard, half of the reboots. The cellular operator is off by three or four minutes, and often tells me that it's the first of January 2000 (which doesn't mesh well with my Calendar of appointments). GPS Data is off by exactly half an hour (time zone?). "Sync clock now" is a disastrous14:09
Wikiwide widget, being off by half an hour, exactly like GPS Data?14:09
WikiwideSydney, GMT+10: is it 21:40 or 22:10?14:10
Maxdamantus22:1014:11
MaxdamantusSat Apr 13 02:12:09 GMT 201914:12
Maxdamantuser14:12
Wikiwidehttps://www.timeanddate.com/ says 22:10. And yet GPS Data and pool.ntp.org say 21:40?14:12
MaxdamantusGPS data and NTP are independent of timezone14:13
Maxdamantusanyway, personally, I just run ntpd from my debian root rather than whatever's in maemo.14:14
WikiwideHmm, could it by any chance correlate with cellular provider's claimed timezone of Adelaide?14:14
MaxdamantusWhat timezone does `date` indicate you're using?14:15
WikiwideAnd could somebody please tell Calendar to stop shifting my appointments around just because of timezone changes? Regardless of timezone currently set up on my phone, appointments are fixed in Sydney time, and should not move around at all.14:16
WikiwideDate indicates CST14:17
WikiwideWhat is CST?14:17
MaxdamantusCentral Standard Time, used in the US.14:17
MaxdamantusUTC-614:18
MaxdamantusSo what does it say the time is in CST?14:18
WikiwideSounds weird. Because date matches GUI where hours and minutes are concerned. And GUI says Sydney, GST+10.14:19
MaxdamantusSat Apr 13 12:19:01 CST 201914:19
WikiwideSat Apr 13 22:18:23 CST 201914:19
Maxdamantuseh, nvm my date output, I think I'm using the TZ variable incorrectly.14:19
Maxdamantustry `date --utc`14:20
MaxdamantusSat Apr 13 12:20:41 UTC 201914:20
MaxdamantusIf your clock is set correctly, regardless of timezone, it should have that output.14:20
WikiwideI have changed /etc/timezone from Adelaide to Sydney. What should I restart to get date to see this?14:21
MaxdamantusI imagine hildon-status-menu14:21
WikiwideNo such thing as date --utc14:21
sixwheeledbeastDate and Time Setting is where the timezones are set via ui14:22
sixwheeledbeastautomatically should use cell towers AFAIK14:23
WikiwideWell, cell towers are worse than malicious - they are unpredictable in their unreliability.14:24
sixwheeledbeastMy device says that Sydney is the same local time as Brizy which i don't believe is correct? this is using world clock function BTW14:25
MaxdamantusWell, they're both on the East cost.14:26
Maxdamantuss/E/e/14:26
infobotMaxdamantus meant: Well, they're both on the east cost.14:26
Maxdamantuslooks like they should be the same atm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Australia-states-timezones.png14:27
sixwheeledbeastBrizy ignores DST tho, whereas I believed Sydney do14:27
Maxdamantussince I suspect DST has ended for Sydney.14:27
Maxdamantusright, but DST should have ended by now, I imagine.14:27
WikiwideACST is GMT+09:30 aka Adelaide. Question is, how do I get date to acknowledge that /etc/timezone is Sydney?14:28
WikiwideWorld Clocks does say that GMT/UTC is 13:00. So, UTC is fine. But how do I get it to know that I am in Sydney, not Adelaide?14:32
MaxdamantusThe `date` command should recognise it immediately, but given that you said "--utc" doesn't work, maybe your date command is not very good.14:32
sixwheeledbeastUTC is currently 123214:32
MaxdamantusI'm using some "power" version of busybox, so maybe that's why it works for me.14:32
WikiwideAh, yes. My head is going in circles, nearly dizzy.14:34
sixwheeledbeastAfter playing about my device seems to think I am in Sydney and will not change, so no idea without rebooting14:35
WikiwideAlright. If I "Sync clock now", then I get UTC of 12:3614:36
Maxdamantussixwheeledbeast: what about `killall hildon-status-menu`?14:36
WikiwideBut how do I tell my device that I am in Adelaide?14:36
MaxdamantusWikiwide: presumably through the settings GUI.14:36
sixwheeledbeastTime and Date disalbe automatic and select Adelaide14:37
sixwheeledbeastit's not h-s-m that showing the wrong place14:37
WikiwideIf I tell Time and Date that I am in Adelaide, then I get 21:37 :P14:38
sixwheeledbeastalso killall isn't ideal for hildon as it don't come back up cleanly14:38
WikiwideAka UTC+9, where it should be UTC+09:30. Some more global re-read of timezone is needed.14:38
sixwheeledbeastAdelaide is GMT +9.30 in world clock for me14:49
Wikiwide/etc/localtime is the one behind date! Not /etc/timezone . But even though date does show 22:52 AEST correctly, GUI still shows 22:2214:52
sixwheeledbeastSo to reset I went to Date and Time disabled auto, changed the time zone to the correct one "Save". Then went back in an set update automatic which fixed the time.14:53
sixwheeledbeastChanging your timezone automatically moves the clock by the amount +/- GMT14:54
WikiwideWhen I go and set automatic, I get 22:58 (correct time) in GUI, but 23:28 EST in date and 13:28 in UTC14:59
WikiwideSo, even with timezone and localtime both set to Sydney, I still see UTC at 13:32, date at 23:32 and GUI time at 23:0215:04
WikiwideWhere Does GUI Time come from?15:04
WikiwideIt's worse than time-turners. With time-turners you at least know when you are.15:05
sixwheeledbeastutc is 1305 right now15:06
WikiwideSync clock now brought UTC to 13:05, date to 23:05, but GUI Time is 22:3515:07
sixwheeledbeastI would assume one is using ntp and the other cell tower info but IDK?15:09
WikiwideI do not use cell tower - automatic updates of date and time are off, due to the wrecking effects they have. But somewhere might be a remaining ruin that still remembers cellular suggestion of Adelaide.15:12
WikiwideSync clock now uses ntp, yes. It's a once-off, not regular updates.15:12
WikiwideI should sue cellular provider for that.15:13
sixwheeledbeastcellnet-info from extras would show you what time your operator believes it is.15:13
sixwheeledbeastGPS data would show GPS time, which has overflowed twice now since it was first implemented.15:16
sixwheeledbeasttimezones are hard enough to implement without different systems having there own designs to store it....15:17
WikiwideBesides /etc/timezone (?) and /etc/localtime (date), there is /home/user/.clockd.conf . But replacing Adelaide with Sydney in it, and restarting clockd, didn't seem to change anything.23:35
Wikiwidedate and worldclock agree! Now, how do I smoothly restart hildon-status-menu?..23:41
WikiwideI don't like how osso-app-killer-rfs.sh proceeds, instead of complaining about being run not as root.23:46
WikiwideI did killall hildon-status-menu, in the end.23:48
Maxdamantusime `killall hildon-status-menu` works fine23:55
Maxdamantusjust have to make sure not to do it multiple times close together, since I think the system will automatically reboot if it sees the same service dying frequently or something.23:55

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