libera/#maemo/ Monday, 2019-02-25

Wikiwidesicelo: Yes, date is wrong, somehow. As in, changing Time from "Settings->Date and time" does change date, but date stubbornly thinks that date's LWST timezone has to be half an hour ahead of "Settings->Date and time" timezone, regardless of which timezone is chosen in "Settings->Date and time"01:26
Wikiwidedate's LHST * timezone, not LWST - misprint01:27
brolin_empeyFor me, the date command uses a 24-hour clock with AM/PM. 0_o05:30
brolin_empeyAre new BL-5J/BL-4J batteries still made?  I am assuming that they are still available on eBay and whatnot but are they all years old by now?05:31
Maxdamantusbrolin_empey: polarcells seem to still be made.06:17
MaxdamantusHm, says they're sold out atm06:18
* Maxdamantus bought two last time, one's unused.06:19
Maxdamantusor maybe they just don't use ebay anymore: http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_x1-00_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2092_0.htm06:25
MaxdamantusAh, it is on ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PolarCell-Batteria-per-Nokia-C3-00-X6-00-5230-5800-XpressMusic-N900-5228-BL-5J/392245931311?hash=item5b53aded2f:g:tfUAAOSw8ihccNUB:rk:1:pf:1&frcectupt=true06:26
Maxdamantus(probably easier to navigate there, and know that they deliver to your country, if you don't know German)06:27
MaxdamantusThey delivered to NZ, so surely they will to Australia too.06:27
sixwheeledbeast~polarcell09:00
infobot[polarcell] BL-5J Replacement - Wannasee Electronic on Ebay or http://www.wannsee-electronic.de/handyakkus/nokia/polarcell_hochleistungsakku_fuer_nokia_n900_ersetzt_originalakku__bl-5j_i2_2090_0.htm09:00
Wikiwidelibc6 contains timezone data. Does it have any modifications between CSSU-Testing and CSSU-Devel?11:59
WikiwideUnder what circumstances is upgrading kernel likely to end up with a bricked device? Keep in mind that USB port is broken.12:03
WikiwideNo, multiboot is not installed.12:04
unrestif you have no way of altering the kernel line in the bootloader and if no safe kernel is still available12:04
unrestidk how maemo handles kernel updates or whether it retains a "failsafe" kernel12:05
KotCzarnyif you dont have uboot installed, it's written directly to nand space12:06
WikiwideSo, I should install uboot first?12:06
KotCzarnyso no, writing bad kernel will get you a brick, which requires usb to fix12:06
KotCzarny~uboot12:06
infobotN900 uBoot is a siamese twin binary [uBoot+stockMaemoKernel] that resides in kernel NAND partition /dev/mtd3 aka "kernel". You can't uninstall it, rather you'll nuke it when you flash/install another kernel like stock maemo kernel or powerkernel. To start other than stock maemo kernel via uBoot, you have to provide the according kernel image files, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161312:06
KotCzarny~multiboot12:07
infobotwell, multiboot is http://maemo.org/packages/view/multiboot/, or **DEPRECATED*, see ~maemo-multiboot12:07
WikiwideIf I already have kernel power 2.6.28.10 installed, is it safe to install uboot?12:08
Wikiwide~maemo-multiboot12:08
infobotextra, extra, read all about it, maemo-multiboot is deprecated, and a horrible hack.  PROBLEMS WITH NITDROID/MULTIBOOT? reflash rootfs&kernel aka COMBINED12:08
KotCzarnyread the thread about uboot12:08
KotCzarnysince you have broken usb port it will be tricky to fix if you do something wrong12:09
WikiwideI remember it in connection with having one device that doesn't work because of combination of multiboot, kernel upgrade and broken USB port12:09
KotCzarnyforget about multiboot12:09
WikiwideReading http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8161312:12
WikiwideHAM is the safest, regarding dependency hell. But it will not protect against empty battery...12:12
WikiwideIn HAM, kernel power 2.6.28.10 is the closest, but it is 53, not 52.12:15
WikiwideI don't get it. I can find http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power-bootimg_2.6.28-10power52_armel.deb , but I do not see anything like "u-boot-flasher for power kernel v52", yet12:28
KotCzarnyextras-devel. its not what you want.12:29
WikiwideNo idea. I just want to get system into working, consistent state where date doesn't disagree with GUI about what the timezone is.12:30
KotCzarnyhow is wrong timezone related to kernel in your case?12:31
WikiwideI know that current kernel is power v52, and ham has been nagging me for ages to upgrade to v53 or something.12:32
KotCzarnyv53 here12:33
KotCzarnyif you dont have uboot/multiboot, then i guess upgrading to v53 should just work?12:33
WikiwideWrong timezone might be coming from a disagreement between some libraries. I don't know. So I want to get ham's question out of the way and see that yes, with everything upgraded, date is still not consistent.12:33
WikiwideShould just work... At what voltage is it safe to upgrade without having nand flashing interrupted mid-way?12:34
KotCzarnysince you are charging your battery outside, just charge it fully?12:35
WikiwideOkay... Anything about free space on rootfs, homefs or MyDocs?12:35
sixwheeledbeastif uboot is installed it should just work with kp5312:36
KotCzarnyswb: does order of installing uboot and kp53 matter?12:37
WikiwideI have available : 44MB on /, 63MB on /home, 38MB on MyDocs.12:37
sixwheeledbeastI wouldn't expect so, but IDK12:37
WikiwideU-boot is not installed, at the moment. kp52 is installed.12:37
sixwheeledbeastit's a separate package kernel-power-bootimg12:38
sixwheeledbeastvia HAM it would be "U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 and Linux kernel for power user (boot image for U-Boot)"12:38
WikiwideI have kernel-power               1:2.6.28-10power52 , flasher and modules too. I don't have kernel-power-bootimg installed. HAM has U-Boot with kpv53.12:40
sixwheeledbeastAs for battery I have no idea, it's not easy to stay either because each battery is in a different state. Normally full to maybe half is recommended12:43
sixwheeledbeastFor any serious update/upgrade12:43
WikiwideSo, if I install u-boot-flasher and kernel-power-bootimg v52, it should work?12:44
WikiwideNay, apt-get disagrees.12:45
WikiwideSo, get full battery and just upgrade everything.12:48
MaxdamantusDo you have a second device to experiment with?12:52
Maxdamantusso you don't just brick your only one by doing something you don't quite understand?12:53
Maxdamantus(I wouldn't claim to understand it either; I've only ever flashed over USB, not from the device)12:53
WikiwideNot sure. I might have one device with working USB port somewhere...12:53
WikiwideI am not a fan of flashing in general.12:54
Maxdamantus(though I know how my boot sequence works, and it involves having a u-boot that looks first on the SD card, so I can always recover using that if my USB stops working)12:54
MaxdamantusYeah, that's why you just install u-boot once and don't touch it again.12:55
WikiwideWhy cannot a device have only memory cards, instead of solder-on memory chips?12:55
Maxdamantussince u-boot should then look on SD/eMMC for configuration.12:55
sixwheeledbeastspeed12:55
KotCzarnyprice12:56
WikiwideI have no memory card, yet. And my eMMC doesn't have much space on it...12:56
WikiwideSpeed is a valid argument. Price isn't.12:56
KotCzarnyit is when you cut costs12:57
KotCzarny(from manufacturer side i guess)12:57
KotCzarnyalso in support costs/time12:57
WikiwideI guess...12:57
KotCzarnywhen people start buying cheapest sh*t sdcards12:57
KotCzarnyand they die after few weeks12:57
sixwheeledbeastreliability ^12:58
WikiwideBut support costs would have been minimised by using memory card for booting12:58
sixwheeledbeastPlus it wasn't a common idea until RPi12:59
KotCzarnyswb: many allwinner tablets used sdcard for rootfs12:59
KotCzarnyin the A10 era12:59
WikiwideQuality... That's tricky. Don't factories have quality control these days?12:59
KotCzarnybut those were most often nonames, with no support from vendor at all12:59
KotCzarnywikiwide: quality control nowadays is controlled by profits13:00
KotCzarnyand you dont get profits if users dont buy more13:00
KotCzarnyie. cars breaking just after 3-4 years13:00
sixwheeledbeast^ QC will have tolerance13:00
KotCzarnyso basically its 'push it out, sell them more'13:00
sixwheeledbeastCertainly in a consumer market it is.13:01
MaxdamantusI imagine there shouldn't be an inherent reason why it should be faster.13:03
sixwheeledbeastI have just replaced some capacitors that where clearly fitted due to price.13:03
MaxdamantusIf the interface used by the eMMC chip is better, why not just sell cards with that chip?13:03
sixwheeledbeastTo anyone else the device was throw away it's done 6 years13:04
KotCzarnyprice/size13:04
KotCzarnyeven seen emmc on a subcard with pins?13:04
KotCzarnythey are bulky13:04
Maxdamantusas in a NAND chip?13:05
KotCzarnyas in emmc expansion card13:05
MaxdamantusI thought the eMMC chip was already kind of encapsulated.13:05
sixwheeledbeastSwapped Decon for Jamicon, yer not the best replacements but there are other components that will likely fail first.13:05
KotCzarnyMaxdamantus: but you still have to connect to the system somehow13:05
KotCzarnyand if you want faster interface, it needs more lines13:05
KotCzarnyhttps://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=20913:06
KotCzarnyan example13:06
DocScrutinizer05folks, this looks not all bad: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/cosmo-communicator#/13:16
DocScrutinizer05though the SoC... well nowadays you have to be happy if your SoC *allows* multiboot13:16

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