libera/#maemo/ Wednesday, 2018-10-31

DocScrutinizer05ginggs: interesting at least06:08
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: My father is interested in using an ARM Linux SBC based upon the Allwinner H2 for a project but he wants to know which GNU+Linux distributions are supported on this platform?06:55
sparreIs there an alternative to the now defunct Nokia GPS assist server?07:18
Vajbsparre: I have it set to use supl.google.com, but I don't actually use it so I have no idea if it actually works.07:22
KotCzarnybrolin_empey: many, but look at armbian (they have images for debian and ubuntu)07:22
KotCzarnyalso, if the board is 'unsupported' all it needs is some DT tweaking usually07:23
KotCzarnyand h2+ is essentially h307:23
DocScrutinizer05~supl07:25
infobotsupl.nokia.com known to be broken, use alternatives like supl.google.com! Adjusting this detail is via settings screen, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9065107:25
sparreThanks!07:25
DocScrutinizer05a year or 2 ago, we discussed in hetre to run our own maemo SUPL server but nobody volunteered to set it up07:26
brolin_empeyKotCzarny: OK, thank you.  What is DT?07:28
Maxdamantusdevice tree07:29
brolin_empeyMaxdamantus: OK, thank you.07:31
* Maxdamantus wonders why the "Use HTTPS" proxy option in Opera gets reset on startup.07:51
Maxdamantus`chown -w ~/.opera/opera.ini` seems to fix that.07:55
MaxdamantusKind of weird that it supposedly updates it on start then rereads it again.07:56
Maxdamantusmicrob seems to behave similarly.08:20
MaxdamantusVery weird. Maybe more reminants of insane people.08:20
Maxdamantus(keeps setting "network.proxy.type" to 0 in prefs.js on startup)08:21
KotCzarnymaybe it sets it from network settings08:21
KotCzarnyie. from active wifi config08:21
MaxdamantusHm. I guess that would explain it.08:23
MaxdamantusWonder if it can be overridden.08:24
KotCzarnysure, change it in network options? ;)08:24
Maxdamantusthe `chmod -w` trick doesn't seem to work with microb.08:24
KotCzarnymight be that they do all that initial config dance because it was easiest way to apply system wide tweaks08:24
MaxdamantusI mean to disable that behaviour, or else specify that a proxy server is to be used regardless of what connection I'm on.08:24
KotCzarnycheck first if my guess is right08:25
KotCzarnythen you could simply throw your https proxy into connectivity part08:25
MaxdamantusYes, it avoids resetting it when the proxy is configured through maemo's settings (for a particular wifi connection)08:28
KotCzarnyi would suggest implanting it systemwide then08:29
KotCzarnywould probably help with non-browser apps too08:29
KotCzarnyemail? etc08:29
MaxdamantusSure, just can't see how, since the proxy settings at least through the "Settings" program seem to be per access point.08:30
KotCzarnyis setting's source available?08:30
brolin_empeyIs there an x86 smartphone with an integrated hardware keyboard?  I could not find one.  I also found only one or maybe two x86 smartphones with an LED (AMOLED) display instead of an LCD.  I am not aware of any x86 smartphone with an electronic paper/ink display either, only the Yota Phone series with ARM SoC and difficult to remove battery.08:52
Maxdamantusas for email, not really useful there.08:52
KotCzarnymaxd: inline attachments?08:52
MaxdamantusWell, I don't remember ever running a graphical email client on either desktop or phone.08:53
Maxdamantusother than in a web browser, which is already covered.08:54
KotCzarnydoes qt also use system proxy?08:54
MaxdamantusI normally use mutt in a debian root, so no issues connecting with that.08:54
brolin_empeyAlso, if the Volkswagen New Beetle has a full-size (16-inch) spare wheel, at least for the 1998 model year that I had, then why does at least one configuration of 2007 Audi A3 have a compact spare wheel?08:55
_CN_almost every car nowadays have a compact one unless you pay for a big one08:55
_CN_that's not maemo's fault, though08:55
sixwheeledbeast^They are normally an added extra. You are lucky you have a space saver spare and not a can of foamy rubbish.09:00
brolin_empeyI think the 2006 Audi A4 wagon/estate has a full-size spare wheel.  I thought that Volkswagen/Audi still has a full-size spare wheel at least on some models.  I am surprised that, if the New Beetle has space for a 16-inch spare wheel, that the A3 does not.  Maybe you are correct that the full-size spare wheel is an option even for Audi.  I could ask the seller of the A3 I was considering buying, which has a compact spare wheel.09:02
buZzmaybe its fullsize for the original size wheels ;)09:07
brolin_empeyI no longer have a European car nor a diesel car.  I had a 1998 Volkswagen New Beetle GLS TDI with 5-speed manual transmission until 2014 June when I replaced it with a 2010 Hyundai Elantra Touring (name used to market the Hyundai i30cw AKA i30 estate first generation in Canada and the USA) Sport Edition with 2.0L I4 naturally-aspirated spark-ignition engine (actually the only engine for the Elantra Touring because Hyundai does not sell a diesel car in North09:12
brolin_empey America) and 5-speed manual transmission but I dislike driving up hills and in heavy traffic with the manual transmission so I was shopping for used cars with a dual-clutch form of automatic transmission, in this case DSG in Volkswagen and Audi cars.09:12
sixwheeledbeast^Select the correct gear?09:13
brolin_empeyThe spare wheel in this A3 says the maximum speed for this wheel is only 80 km/h so I do not think this wheel and tire are the same as the original non-spare wheels. ;-)09:13
sixwheeledbeast^If it's speed restricted it's a space saver. The diameter of all the wheels must be similar, only the profile will be different.09:16
siceloMaxdamantus: the system-wide proxy setting doesn't seem to really be 'system-wide' - it seems to only be used by applications that specifically look for it, such as microb, of course. Modest/email for example does not use it, even when set09:17
brolin_empeyLiterally, the normal tires also have a maximum speed even if the vehicle cannot achieve that speed. ;-)09:18
sixwheeledbeast^standard road tyres have a speed rating (letters are used for this). It's not speed on a yellow sticker.09:20
inzVW Polo's spare looked like a motorcycle tire compared to the normal ones09:20
sixwheeledbeast^Yep that's a space saver limited to around 80km/50mph09:21
brolin_empeysixwheeledbeast^: Yes, I know this, hence me being literal. :-P09:21
inzHaven't needed my prius's spare yet (knock on wood) so not sure if it's any good. VW T4 has a full size one at least09:22
KotCzarny#maemo -- now on spare wheels!09:22
Maxdamantussicelo: yeah, I'm not too concerned about which programs use it, just that I don't have to configure these things for each internet connection.09:23
MaxdamantusI guess things were different back in 2009.09:24
bencohsixwheeledbeast^: supl.google.com does not seem to work http://pastebin.notk.org/pastebin.php?show=m5e493e2e09:24
sixwheeledbeast^?09:25
brolin_empeysixwheeledbeast^: I have twelve years of experience as a licensed driver of a car with a manual transmission but have never had a vehicle with a hill holder feature, which is part of why I dislike driving up hills.09:25
sixwheeledbeast^I recall reporting supl.google.com has never worked?09:26
sixwheeledbeast^That's what the handbrake is for09:26
brolin_empeysixwheeledbeast^: Yes, and is why I wore out/broke the drum brakes used for the handbrake on my current car before 65 000 km.  The normal brakes are all disc brakes but the handbrake uses drum brakes.09:28
bencohsixwheeledbeast^: ah, nevermind then, I somehow understood from backlog that you didn't know whether it actually worked or not09:29
brolin_empeyAnyway, as an end to off-topic vehicle discussion, I recently saw a concrete pumping truck with six axles, all close together, which reminded me of sixwheeledbeast^.09:31
sixwheeledbeast^bencoh: I recall a thread on TMO many years ago where it was suspected supl.google.com block some devices?09:31
brolin_empeyI gather that Google has been caught intentionally causing problems for users of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile because Google wants users to use Android instead of Windows Phone/Windows 10 Mobile.09:33
sixwheeledbeast^Not many cars with drums on the rear any more, well over this side the water anyway.09:34
bencohsixwheeledbeast^: I don't quite remember if there was any proper conclusion in this thread09:34
bencohI can see here is ssl_read_data: SSL_ERROR=5, ret=0, errno: Success09:34
sixwheeledbeast^bencoh: :nod:09:35
bencoh+what*09:35
sixwheeledbeast^i dont remember either09:36
brolin_empeyAlledgedly Google also does not want Windows NT on ARM to take market share from Android nor Chrome OS.09:37
brolin_empeySpecifically Windows 10 on ARM, not Windows Phone 8, which already used a Windows NT kernel on ARM.09:38
brolin_empeysixwheeledbeast^: Only the handbrake uses drum brakes.  The normal brakes on both the front and rear are disc brakes.09:40
sixwheeledbeast^Mechanical cable and hydraulic connections for the rear calipers.09:44
brolin_empeyI should not skip sleep but I am still young and I am still at the office at almost 02:00 so I guess I am not sleeping tonight, sigh.09:50
brolin_empeyNow I can be the depersonalised from sleep deprivation version of myself for Halloween.09:51
brolin_empeyIs there a Pumpkin Pi brand of SBC?09:53
brolin_empeyDoes Apple use eMMC on an x86 computer?  I wondered if an x86-64 SBC such as the UP Board or Latte Panda can run Mac OS x86 (Mac OS X for x86 hacked/patched to run on non-Apple computers) but these SBCs use eMMC instead of SATA or NVMe.09:57
bencohHmmm ... phone actually sends IMSI to SUPL server ....10:52
bencoh"yay" ...10:52
KotCzarnyyou have been tracked for so long, does it matter then?10:53
bencohhuhu10:53
bencohfor some stupid reason I'd rather give that information to nokia than google10:53
bencoh(well, back when nokia operated a supl server, at least)10:54
KotCzarnymake an anonymizing supl proxy?10:54
KotCzarnywasnt it some http data anyway?10:54
bencohit doesn't look like "plain http data"10:55
bencohand I'm basically trying to get maemo/location-proxy to work with supl.google.com through supl-proxy, yeah10:55
brolin_empeyI was curious to know if the VIA x86 CPUs have the same vulnerabilities, such as Meltdown and Spectre, as Intel x86 CPUs.  Apparently at least the VIA C7-M does have the same vulnerabilities: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-90cVBdvR0m8/W9mCLWg8l0I/AAAAAAAABDU/WqTlTRWtuXcxW3iRm5jcmmDrcv3aE6P3QCL0BGAYYCw/h1663/6226600743558986105%253Faccount_id%253D511:31
DocScrutinizer05bencoh: >>sends IMSI<< WTF?!?!!12:00
DocScrutinizer05>><KotCzarny> make an anonymizing supl proxy?<< was what we discussed to set up on maemo infra12:02
DocScrutinizer05basically12:02
bencohyeah12:03
bencohand yeah, we discussed that here ~10 months ago12:04
sixwheeledbeast^brolin_empey: I believe there is a script on github to check the vulnerability16:04
sixwheeledbeast^~phonecontrol17:03
infobotphonecontrol is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control17:03
sixwheeledbeast^~sparetyre17:20
sixwheeledbeast^:)17:21
KotCzarnyhow many spares sixwheeler has to have?17:23
sixwheeledbeast^one17:31
sixwheeledbeast^If centre tyre is flat you don't even notice.17:32
sixwheeledbeast^rear wheels have redundancy :)17:32
halftuxginggs: thank you yes it is helpful only that patches greater 1mb are not presented but it is still useful20:33
halftuxhas somebody worked with debhelper7 and cdbs-dh7, cdbs-dh7 needs fdupes I don't know why and this package doesn't exists anyone has a clue or a fdupes package?21:04
ginggshalftux: http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_source/fdupes/1.50-PR2-2maemo1/21:12
halftuxyes I have seen this it is broken but cdbs-dh7 is already in extras21:16
ginggshalftux: ah right, i see what you mean now21:16
halftuxok fixed it by rebuilding package from jessie21:45
halftuxshould I upload it to extra-devel ?21:45
ginggshalftux: that would be nice, otherwise cdbs-dh7 will remain non-installable21:54
halftuxroughly 30kb,the  deb is 21kb should I maemo-optify it? Or at which size should packages optified or should all packages be optified?21:59
ginggshalftux: I don't recall any specific rules about that, I'd guess at 21kb it wouldn't be worth the effort22:08
halftuxthe kernel-power-headers are still not imported to extras. promoted 2018-10-2022:33
halftuxso package debhelper7 is some kind of experimental it has not all helper scripts so not useful for my case I stick to normal debhelper which is also 723:06

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