libera/#maemo/ Wednesday, 2018-07-25

siceloback to my earlier questions about 2FA, looks like there already is an OTP tool for N90000:42
sicelohttp://maemo.org/packages/view/otp/00:42
sicelono idea how well it works (or how secure it is)00:42
buZzTOTP i assume?00:53
buZzah yes00:53
buZzthere is oathtool aswell, at least in debian00:54
buZzRFC 6238 TOTP is what 'google authenticator' uses00:54
buZzyou can just copy the seeds out of it , feed them to oathtool and get a key to use on websites for 2FA00:54
siceloyes, i have seen oathtool, and one of the days i should try compile it for maemo through sb00:55
siceloi don't have google authenticator anywhere.00:55
buZz > oathtool --totp -b $CODEYOUGOTFROMTHEWEBSITE00:55
buZzit gives you a QR code to scan usually, the code from that is what you'd use to make a new key each time00:56
siceloand 'top' n900 doesn't seem to be working. well ... at least facebook says codes are invalid00:56
buZzmaybe you need to set it to TOTP instead of HOTP?00:56
buZzits not default on oathtool either00:57
siceloit only allows switching between HOTP & MOTP, and with HOTP, you can switch between 'time-based' (which i assume is TOTP) and 'event-based'00:58
buZzweird, if you have a debian box available somewhere you can test oathtool there00:59
buZzapt install oathtool00:59
buZz:)00:59
siceloyes, left my laptop at work. already installed oathtool on it .. just need to put it to use01:00
siceloi hope it will build nicely for maemo as well01:00
buZzquite sure, i doubt it has much dependancies01:00
sicelomaybe i should already look in older debian repos .. a few packages work ok from there on maemo01:01
Oksanaa>> <Maxdamantus> Optimally, all RAM should be used, for cache if nothing else. << With Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit, if Task Manager shows high RAM usage (like, 13GB out of 16GB), it means "ultra-slow computer, restart some of those programs". But then, this slowness may also coincide with high (like,01:25
Oksanaa1725914275) "Page Faults" (whatever they are) for processes.01:26
sicelo(oathtool - at least all the ones on debian repos need higher libc6 than maemos ..)01:28
MaxdamantusAssuming "page faults" means "major page fault", that means you're copying things in and out of swap, which gets bad when you've run out of non-freeable RAM.02:02
MaxdamantusI suspect Windows probably doesn't include disk cache in its "used memory" count, but theoretically, that extra memory should still be used.02:03
OksanaaMaxdamantus : Is it possible to have 0 "major page faults"?03:20
MaxdamantusOksanaa: sure, if there's no swap.03:53
Maxdamantusand maybe no disk; not sure if memory mapped files' page faults are considered major.03:54
Maxdamantus(swap/pagefile)03:54
OksanaaWhy do things copied in and out of RAM get bad when computer runs out of non-free-able RAM?04:45
buZz1 GB of ram has 1 byte error per year , i think?05:32
buZzolder ram probably more often05:32
MaxdamantusOksanaa: I mean that when you run out of non-freeable RAM, the copying in and out is extreme (bad).05:50
MaxdamantusThat is, it shouldn't happen if you have plenty of freeable RAM.05:51
OksanaaSo, if Windows shows "almost all RAM is used", it means "you are running out of non-freeable RAM"?06:51
OksanaaAs in, SeaMonkey and Firefox and K-Meleon and SumatraPDF and Office and IceChat are all using lots of non-freeable RAM?06:52
brolin_empeyOksanaa: Main memory (primary storage) is a subset of the total RAM in a computer.  Peripherals such as a GPU may have gibibytes of RAM that is not part of main memory.  “RAM” is common usage, though, whereas “main memory” and “primary storage” are formal technical terms, like “headphone jack” versus “analog audio connector”.07:08
MaxdamantusI don't know how Windows works.07:15
Maxdamantusbut in something like `free` on Linux, it shows you RAM used, and RAM used excluding caches.07:16
OksanaaNice07:20
brolin_empeyIs one who sums a summer?07:21
sicelo:p07:53
brolin_empeyIs one who springs a springer?07:54
brolin_empeyAre salesmen in a store selling Commodore computers in the 1970s PET Shop Boys?08:10
brolin_empeyI have a 4k UHD display and a 5.25-inch flexible disc drive connected to the same computer.08:16
sicelo(oathtool works very well [on pc])08:31
KclamerHello08:45
brolin_empeyKclamer: Hello.08:47
KclamerFound my n900 yesterday, charged it, fired it up and it had an SSU update ready.08:49
KclamerCan't believe it's still supported!08:49
KotCzarnysure, and more goodies are in the works08:50
KclamerAll the people that keep this up are awesome. The N900 is my favorite phone even after a decade. Still take it out and play some emulators on it.08:53
KclamerKotCzarny is that like Black Cat?08:54
KotCzarnyno, catblack08:54
KclamerHaha, same thing.08:55
KotCzarnynot at all08:55
KotCzarnyyou dont drink colacoca08:55
brolin_empeyWell, “black cat” and “gato negro” are the same.08:58
brolin_empeyOr “chat noir” (correct French translation?).08:59
KclamerI don't think most people would have been able to guess the translation anyway09:02
KclamerIt's probably Polish09:03
brolin_empeyKclamer: Yes, KotCzarny lives in the land of Perl scripts. ;-)09:04
* brolin_empey lives in the land of calcium.09:04
KclamerDo any of you guys actively develop for Fremantle?09:04
KotCzarnyyes09:05
KclamerWhat are you working on?09:05
KotCzarny~oscp09:05
infobothmm... oscp is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9459009:05
KclamerThat looks awesome, I remember playing with vlc for streaming my own music from my computer to the N90009:07
KotCzarnythere is also mpd for n90009:07
KclamerNow I just open Soma radio and let it go09:09
Juestohello09:37
Juestoso I've been able to update the maemo sdk vm09:37
Juestoi think maemo users here do use the lenny archives?09:38
JuestoShould i dist-upgrade scratchbox???10:03
Juestoi mean development stuff inside it10:03
KotCzarnyif you are sucker for punishment, go for it10:03
Juesto..?10:07
KotCzarnyhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glutton/sucker%20for%20punishment10:08
Juesto yeah it's not like I don't understand but...10:09
Juestodidn't really liked that reply and gives no further elaboration10:09
Juestowelp10:20
Juestoquite of a huge issue I've got with Bora scratchbox sdk10:20
Juesto:s10:21
Juestook, installing diablo's maemo-explicit should give me the propertary bits, completing the experience hopefully10:25
sicelowhat are you doing with bora? got an N8x0?10:31
KotCzarnyn8x0 uses diablo10:31
KotCzarnybora is for 770 afair10:32
siceloeven worse then :p10:32
JuestoI'm with the sdk :D11:38
Juestozero nokia devices11:39
Juestoand bora is broken -_-11:39
Juestosicelo: scratchbox stuff11:41
* sparre has a spare N900. - Unfortunately with a loose micro-USB power connector.11:46
* sparre has to learn how to solder modern electronics.11:48
* sparre hasn't done any serious soldering since he worked on a nuclear reactor.11:48
sparre(~25 years ago)11:49
KotCzarnyi assume soldering in nuclear reactor is easier than dabbling with smd11:49
sparreMuch easier.11:49
inzCan you hook up your N900 with a micro-reactor11:49
inzno need to fix the connector11:49
sparreGood spacing between the connections on the boards.11:49
KotCzarnyinz: sure, you can, but it needs separate cart for being mobile11:50
sparre:-)11:50
KotCzarnymight be whole wagon11:50
sixwheeledbeast~usbfix12:02
infobotfrom memory, usbfix is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75920 - and **NEVER** use epoxy (unless you want to seal your device for underwater), or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYz5nIHH0iY#t=1866, you will basically need two irons: a small good one (or better hot-air reflow) and a 60+ Watt, or to avoid breakage, see ~usb-unplug12:02
sparresixwheeledbeast: Thanks.12:28
sixwheeledbeastnp12:28
* jonwil is annoyed because he lost the stylus for his N900 :(14:25
bencoh:(14:29
bencohcan you order a replacement?14:29
jonwilPosted on tmo, someone there might know what I can get as a replacement without the big costs of buying a new Nokia one (shipping to Oz isn't cheap)14:32
Vajbjonwil: buy from ebay. I got five for 3 dollars14:37
KotCzarnyvajb: add shipping to australia14:37
Vajbfreeshipping ;)14:37
jonwilAfter previous bad experiences I refuse to touch eBay...14:37
KotCzarnyto eu maybe, but .au..14:37
KotCzarnythat is the land down under14:37
KotCzarnyvajb: and if you have 5, just check the shipping to .au and send 2 to jonwil14:38
Vajbwell from where I look at it seems that china is closer14:38
KotCzarny:)14:38
Vajbto australia14:38
KotCzarnywhen it comes to shipping costs it's usually not the distance but bulk size14:38
Vajbmakes me wonder how is selling the cables good business14:39
KotCzarnybulk and returning customers?14:39
Vajblike, I bought few usb cables 0,35$ with free shipping14:40
Vajbmight be bulk14:40
KotCzarnyanyway, try sending 1-2 styluses to jonwil14:41
Vajbjonwil: maygbe buy something which has sturdy plastic around and carve your own stylus :p14:41
KotCzarnyit will be good investment in your n900 future14:42
Vajbprobably it would take 10-20$ I think14:42
KotCzarnycheck regular letter options14:43
KotCzarnywill be closer to 3-5$14:43
trxI've bought a complete housing few years ago, it included a stylus.14:43
trxAnd now i have spare parts too.14:43
trx(I have lost my original stylus)14:43
KotCzarnyfor me regular letter (<50g) to .au is ~1.5usd14:45
KotCzarnywhich is the same as to any other country. rates ramp up when you choose to send the same thing as a package or require tracking/declare value14:47
bencohVajb: don't you live in singapur?14:49
KotCzarnybencoh: i though he lived in .fi14:49
bencohah, could be14:49
KotCzarnyanyway, bbl14:49
Vajbyeah .fi is my local14:52
Vajbmaybe it is my dialect :p14:52
MaxdamantusMikä ".fi" on?14:53
VajbI can ask for posting, but it'll be monday untill im home14:53
VajbMaxdamantus: strictly speaking .fi is just domain14:54
bencohVajb: looks liked I mixed you with someone else :)14:54
MaxdamantusYeah, I know, just wanted to say something random in Finnish.14:54
Vajbei se mitään ymmärrän hyvin. Teen sitä itse kokoajan14:55
MaxdamantusEn ymmärrä paljon myös.14:57
MaxdamantusI suspect you probably know Finnish much better than I do.14:57
VajbI am rather fluent14:58
Juestohello19:04

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