| Juesto | hug | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| Juesto | huh | 00:21 |
| Juesto | how's that exactly | 00:21 |
| Juesto | why this community is alive then | 00:21 |
| KotCzarny | because it's a nice linux phone | 00:23 |
| KotCzarny | and few folks work hard to make the software fully open and current | 00:24 |
| Wizzup | too hard ;) | 00:24 |
| KotCzarny | and because it's old good nokia, it's good | 00:24 |
| Juesto | why when there's Android which easily can supersede maemo and is much flexible | 00:28 |
| Juesto | :/ | 00:29 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: speaking of which, we could use a sunxi port maintainer ;p | 00:36 |
| KotCzarny | wizzup: sure, why not, what i need to do? | 00:49 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maemo has a well designed UI that is far superior to the others IMO. | 00:49 |
| KotCzarny | juesto: because android is treating you as a commodity. you are used by android, not the other way round | 00:50 |
| Juesto | Huh | 00:50 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Flexibility is also relative to the user, being able to pull up a terminal maybe important some and unused by others | 00:50 |
| KotCzarny | also, with android you almost always have no update possibility | 00:51 |
| KotCzarny | afair google obsoleted anything older than droid6 (or 5) | 00:52 |
| Juesto | no update possiblity? | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:52 |
| Juesto | uh things evolve | 00:52 |
| KotCzarny | closed kernels + blobs means no newer android for you | 00:52 |
| Juesto | there's a point where the hardware can't run it, like everything | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | nope. | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | it's not that. | 00:53 |
| Juesto | android is foss | 00:53 |
| Juesto | and there's lineage os/cyanogen | 00:53 |
| Juesto | for the updateability | 00:53 |
| KotCzarny | sure, android might be foss in most parts | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | but it's the closed bits that put you in 'obsoleted' bin | 00:54 |
| Juesto | i know | 00:54 |
| Juesto | you can still use aosp without belonging to the google ecosystem | 00:54 |
| KotCzarny | sure, but for what? | 00:55 |
| Juesto | and the same thing is happening with google chrome and chromium | 00:55 |
| KotCzarny | once app you want requires google services, you are done | 00:55 |
| Juesto | ehh | 00:56 |
| Juesto | fdroid for that | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | nope | 00:56 |
| Juesto | :/ | 00:56 |
| Juesto | oh well blame the app devs then | 00:56 |
| Juesto | what else | 00:56 |
| KotCzarny | i'm not talking about installing apps, i'm talking about apps that rely on particular libraries/services | 00:56 |
| Juesto | yeah those stuff are contemplated on fdroid | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | also, i'm not saying that you can't use android, if it suits you, go for it | 00:57 |
| KotCzarny | i prefer linux | 00:58 |
| KotCzarny | and that's why i'm sticking with n900 | 00:58 |
| Juesto | eh what I'm just wondering after all is about this os why it wasn't let it extinguish | 00:59 |
| Juesto | like all the other outdated oses | 00:59 |
| Juesto | ugh, what a dumb topic | 00:59 |
| KotCzarny | dont worry, kids today wont ever know what is linux | 01:00 |
| KotCzarny | and in a few generations wont know what is inside their shiny toys | 01:00 |
| Juesto | you don't say? | 01:02 |
| Juesto | linux is used in education a lot | 01:02 |
| KotCzarny | just you wait | 01:04 |
| Juesto | ? | 01:05 |
| Juesto | KotCzarny: wdym | 01:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there are many reasons why, as above its a bit of a vague and subjective question I suppose. | 01:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Maemo really has stood the test of time, if you think about it. OS2005 was released before iOS and Android. | 01:31 |
| timeless | hi KotCzarny | 01:41 |
| * timeless is looking for someone familiar w/ debian-exim4 | 01:41 | |
| KotCzarny | timeless: ahoy | 01:41 |
| * timeless is trying to configure it to (1) allow incoming mail (only for the computer itself); (2) allow outgoing mail (only from the computer itself); (3) not allow incoming mail to be sent to another computer | 01:42 | |
| timeless | I have computers that are properly configured to do that... | 01:43 |
| timeless | but so far it seems that my configuration of exim4 hasn't resulted in that :-( | 01:43 |
| KotCzarny | maybe configure catch all for outgoing mail not directed to localhost ? | 01:44 |
| timeless | got it | 01:45 |
| timeless | the trick is that `dc_relay_domains=...` doesn't apply to localhost, but does apply to everything else... | 01:45 |
| CatButts | jesus, the low-battery alarm is scary | 02:09 |
| CatButts | especially when it's 2 am and you are trying to sleep :p | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | what low battery alarm? | 02:09 |
| CatButts | the default one from n900 | 02:09 |
| KotCzarny | never heard it | 02:10 |
| Oksana | Never heard it. Granted, I like to put computers on silent... | 03:50 |
| Juesto | :) | 03:56 |
| Juesto | hi Oksana | 03:56 |
| * Juesto sighs | 04:07 | |
| Vajb | if you were to avoid double booking would you focus on mysql constraint or java gui to accomblish this? (KotCzarny, yes it is a school project ;)) | 07:22 |
| Vajb | hmm is it accomplish? | 07:23 |
| sicelo | wow Oksana! | 07:45 |
| * sicelo loves the sound when connecting a charger | 07:47 | |
| KotCzarny | vajb: whats 'double booking' | 07:57 |
| Juesto | lol | 08:09 |
| * Maxdamantus wonders what sound it's meant to make. | 08:20 | |
| Maxdamantus | maybe it doesn't have it on my system because I got it to stop showing the dialogue when plugging it in. | 08:21 |
| * Maxdamantus can't remember how he did that. | 08:21 | |
| KotCzarny | hmm, it probably gets enabled with 'system sounds' | 08:22 |
| * KotCzarny hates phones beeping and twinking on touch | 08:22 | |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: actually Wizzup's idea sounds good :). Someone to integrate lima with leste would be of great help, for example. | 08:24 |
| Maxdamantus | I'm not a fan of random sounds when using UIs, though I like touch vibration. | 08:24 |
| KotCzarny | fmg: isnt it done already? also, i suspect it would require separate repo for that, i think mali blob doesnt have open copyright | 08:25 |
| freemangordon | why separate repo? | 08:25 |
| KotCzarny | devuan doesnt have strict legal requirements? | 08:26 |
| freemangordon | KotCzarny: I am not sure I get what you mean, however, leste repos are not hosted to devuan infra, but on maemo infra | 08:28 |
| freemangordon | *hosted on | 08:28 |
| freemangordon | also, mali blobs are on github | 08:28 |
| KotCzarny | ahm, havent checked in a long time | 08:29 |
| freemangordon | BTW, does lima require blobs? | 08:29 |
| freemangordon | I was under impression it is a proper drm driver | 08:30 |
| freemangordon | with 3d support built-in | 08:30 |
| KotCzarny | if you talk about yuq's work, it's not entirely usable yet | 08:30 |
| freemangordon | they posted a patch on lkml a few days ago | 08:30 |
| freemangordon | yes, I know it might be not fully usable, but wvantually it will become | 08:31 |
| freemangordon | *eventually | 08:31 |
| KotCzarny | yes, i hope for that too | 08:31 |
| freemangordon | in the meanwhile we can at least check how "not ready" it is, by trying to run h-d on top :) | 08:32 |
| freemangordon | TBH I think it will work as h-d doesn;t use that much of fancy GL stuff, besides some basic shaders and operations | 08:33 |
| freemangordon | also I hope that seeing us trying to use that driver will give its authors additional reasoning to not give up | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | i'm still wondering about yuq's motivation | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | he came out of the blue with his work | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | however, ATM neither me nor Wizzup have the time needed to spend on sunxi kernel/lima driver | 08:35 |
| KotCzarny | and it might even be against his amd work | 08:35 |
| freemangordon | no idea | 08:36 |
| freemangordon | but I think his work is based on older work don by some other guy | 08:36 |
| freemangordon | s/older/previous | 08:37 |
| freemangordon | sorry, still having my first coffee for the day :) | 08:37 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 08:39 |
| Juesto | huh | 09:48 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: sorry that I left after my first remark, I was tired and wanted to think about what I was going to say ;) | 10:41 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: basically it'd be nice to have someone work a bit on our sunxi port - so that'd be testing on a few sunxi devices, checking that the basic stuff works. mali and/or lima support would be very welcome (olimex olinuxino a20 with llvmpipe is a real pain for basically anything) | 10:42 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: I also have quite a bunch of sunxi devices but I want to spend my time on writing sw that runs on all the devices we 'support'. Maybe you also have some clues as to nice/cool/useful devices. I have an a33 tablet somewhere. | 10:43 |
| Wizzup | But practically, I think it'd be some kernel stuff, testing kernels/images/drivers, and write some stuff on the wiki :) | 10:43 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: fwiw #maemo-leste exists, it might be good to take it there at some point if you're (somewhat) interested | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | i have only a31 and a13 devices (regarding display featuring ones) | 10:43 |
| KotCzarny | but i could work on a20/h3 too | 10:44 |
| KotCzarny | since they could be easily supplemented with touchscreens | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | I also have a lime2 with two different olimex touchscreens, the 4.3" and 7" ones | 10:44 |
| Wizzup | I just haven't found the time to make them work (well really, work again, I had the 4.3" one working at some point) | 10:45 |
| KotCzarny | saved to TODO | 10:50 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: ack, if you can join the channel that might also serve as a useful reminder ;) | 10:52 |
| sicelo | KotCzarny: The old CHIP seems to have A13 & Mali-400. do you think it would be worth something trying leste on it? or waste of time :) | 12:00 |
| KotCzarny | sure, n900 has much slower cpu, so leste should work | 12:01 |
| sicelo | i wonder how much of its hardware is mainlined (CHIP) | 12:01 |
| KotCzarny | a lot | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | as usual: http://linux-sunxi.org/Linux_mainlining_effort#Status_Matrix | 12:02 |
| KotCzarny | in fact c.h.i.p. could make pretty awesome leste showcase | 12:03 |
| sicelo | mmm, i should dust mine off then. have two, but never really got time to use them | 12:04 |
| sicelo | and the mali 400 seems to be targetted in yuq's work, unless i don't follow correctly | 12:06 |
| KotCzarny | yes | 12:07 |
| Vajb | KotCzarny: it is project to make mysql database with java gui for fictional company renting holiday cabins. So i wanted something to avoid double booking | 13:43 |
| Vajb | but it works nowas intended | 13:43 |
| Vajb | took four hours to figure out how i can make it happen | 13:44 |
| KotCzarny | :) | 13:44 |
| Vajb | so i was searching for hint of where to look at | 13:45 |
| Vajb | since i had no idea in which level it would be most effective | 13:45 |
| KotCzarny | well, you would have to implement some session or reservation system | 13:46 |
| Vajb | but as of now gui shows list of cabins which are available in the day span that user wants to | 13:46 |
| Vajb | probably not wise solution since now it has to make three separate database queries when days and location are selected | 13:47 |
| Vajb | nut school is only evaluating things which work, not how they work | 13:48 |
| Vajb | but* | 13:48 |
| KotCzarny | work 100% correct first, optimize later | 13:51 |
| Vajb | it is about there :) | 13:52 |
| Vajb | expecting 5 for a grade ;) | 13:53 |
| Vajb | (on a scale 0-5) | 13:53 |
| Juesto | are there debuggers available in maemo? | 21:32 |
| freemangordon | Juesto: yes, gdb | 23:08 |
| Juesto | ah right | 23:10 |
| Juesto | and for j2me apps! | 23:10 |
| Juesto | ? | 23:10 |
| freemangordon | no idea | 23:11 |
| Juesto | oh well | 23:12 |
| Juesto | freemangordon: you're the leste leader right? | 23:12 |
| KotCzarny | lol | 23:13 |
| freemangordon | I wouldn't say | 23:15 |
| freemangordon | as I am not really sure what a "leader" would mean in the context of leste project | 23:18 |
| KotCzarny | fmg, maybe analogue of 'senior project manager' | 23:21 |
| Juesto | freemangordon: may i pm you? | 23:47 |
| Juesto | Maybe better tomorrow | 23:49 |
| Juesto | and earlier | 23:49 |
| Wizzup | KotCzarny: CTO ;) | 23:55 |
| KotCzarny | balmer-of-maemo (bom) | 23:57 |
| KotCzarny | ;) | 23:57 |
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