nexgen | hello, please let me know how get a backup copy of the current whole repository (all debs) | 03:10 |
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gnarface | nexgen: did you try wget? | 03:17 |
nexgen | there are no ISOs like for Debian? | 03:19 |
nexgen | having complete set of debs? | 03:19 |
golinux | nexgen: Do you want just the Devuan packages or also the Debian packages fetched by redirect? | 03:19 |
golinux | No iso set ot the packages | 03:20 |
nexgen | I need a backup if Devuan for some reason gets offline for a significant time | 03:20 |
golinux | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt | 03:21 |
nexgen | btw, do you have a plan how to deal with situation if Devuan is attacked by systemD corpo invaders like it happened to Debian? | 03:21 |
nexgen | and wounder how actually it happened to Debian | 03:21 |
nexgen | it seems it was very slow and unnoticeable earlier | 03:22 |
golinux | That discussion should probably go on #debianfork | 03:22 |
nexgen | but finally I was forced to use that systemD shit | 03:22 |
golinux | That is the systemd bashing channel | 03:23 |
nexgen | #devuan or @debianfork is bashing systemD ? | 03:23 |
nexgen | thanks, got it, already there | 03:25 |
nexgen | do you plan to have reproducible builds sometimes? | 03:26 |
nexgen | or it is not possible with apt/dpkg? | 03:26 |
rsevero | How can I list the scripts called at boot time in a plain Devuan server? | 15:59 |
r3boot | ls /etc/rc`runlevel`.d/S?? | 16:02 |
onefang | I use sysv-rc-conf for that sort of thing. | 16:02 |
r3boot | or something along those lines. Find the current runlevel (see the runlevel command or /etc/inittab), check the S prefixed symlinks in the rc dir for that runlevel (/etc/rc<number>.d/) | 16:02 |
r3boot | onefang: of the nicer things about SysV init, is that you can just look at how the symlinks are created, no need for external tools iig | 16:03 |
r3boot | (also, dont forget to check /etc/rc.local, since that can also contain commands that'll be started @ boot) | 16:04 |
onefang | sysv-rc-conf is a nice little command line tool for listing and changing which sysv init scripts start up when. Much nicer than dealing with symlinks and stuff. | 16:05 |
r3boot | mja, to each his/her/its own ofc. I'd rather stick to tried & tested UNIX methods :) | 16:05 |
r3boot | sysv init is fairly trivial to figure out, just like setting symlinks, so personally, mja :) | 16:06 |
r3boot | oh lol :) That's yet another clone of update-rc.d/chkconfig :D | 16:07 |
r3boot | (why do people keep re-inventing wheels ... idk) | 16:08 |
r3boot | https://linux.die.net/man/8/chkconfig & http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/xenial/man8/update-rc.d.8.html | 16:08 |
r3boot | (first is SGI + RH + CentOS, 2nd is debian-likes) | 16:08 |
retak | (I know why people do re-invent wheels. But I keep it for me ;) ) | 16:09 |
r3boot | NiH is strong ;P | 16:09 |
onefang | The "get off my lawn" is strong here. sysv-rc-conf isn't just reinventing that particular wheel. :-P | 16:14 |
rsevero | Great! Just installed sysv-rc-conf. Thanks you all. | 16:17 |
onefang | You are welcome. | 16:17 |
r3boot | Mja, it all depends onefang :) I have been raised to work with a bunch of unix systems (solaris, hp/ux, aix, *bsd, linux, bsdi, sco, tru64), and one thing that works across all of them (well, atleast the SysV-based ones), is the inittab+ln trick I just described. But, to each his/her/its own ofc. I am not trying to recommend any particular approach | 16:19 |
r3boot | only differences are where the OS stores it's rc.d dirs; For hp/ux for instance, thats /sbin/rc.d :) | 16:20 |
TwistedFate | hi, i just booted devuan live and i don't have sound | 20:49 |
TwistedFate | i checked alsamixer and it's not muted | 20:49 |
debdog | run alsa-info.sh | 20:49 |
debdog | if it's there | 20:49 |
furrywolf | is the live built with alsa or pulse? I've never used it. | 20:49 |
debdog | if not: http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh | 20:50 |
furrywolf | if it has pulse, nothing you do with alsa is going to work properly. | 20:50 |
debdog | if it has pulse, fsmithred should be... what's the word... | 20:50 |
TwistedFate | debdog, https://paste.debian.net/hidden/3b260bb5/ | 20:50 |
debdog | Pulseaudio: | 20:51 |
debdog | Installed - Yes (/usr/bin/pulseaudio) | 20:51 |
debdog | Running - Yes | 20:51 |
TwistedFate | whaaat | 20:52 |
TwistedFate | >.< | 20:52 |
debdog | check whether it has pasuspender installed, too | 20:52 |
TwistedFate | debdog, it has | 20:52 |
debdog | ok, gimme some time to read through the link... | 20:53 |
debdog | open alsamixer and see which device it selects. top left corner | 20:54 |
fsmithred | I think the live has pulseaudio, pretty sure | 20:54 |
TwistedFate | pulse | 20:54 |
debdog | grr | 20:55 |
furrywolf | if you have pulseaudio, alsamixer is useless. you should use pulse's volume control. | 20:55 |
fsmithred | it's basically the same as installing xfce desktop from tasksel in the installer | 20:55 |
debdog | try pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -twav -l5 -Dplughw:1,0 | 20:55 |
furrywolf | you mean 'try apt-get purge pulseaudio'? :P | 20:55 |
debdog | hehe, that too | 20:55 |
debdog | also: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -twav -l5 -Dplughw:0,0 | 20:56 |
fsmithred | that might not work so well | 20:56 |
furrywolf | that fixes >95% of my linux audio problems. | 20:56 |
TwistedFate | debdog, works | 20:56 |
TwistedFate | so it's pulse problem | 20:56 |
fsmithred | yeah, but you don't install task-anything-desktop | 20:56 |
furrywolf | it's always a pulse problem. | 20:56 |
debdog | TwistedFate: which one, the 0,0 or the 1,0? | 20:56 |
TwistedFate | the first one | 20:56 |
TwistedFate | 1,0 | 20:56 |
debdog | ok, seems audio's defsault is set to HDMI, TwistedFate | 20:57 |
debdog | 0 [HDMI ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI HDMI | 20:57 |
debdog | 1 [Generic ]: HDA-Intel - HD-Audio Generic | 20:57 |
TwistedFate | at least i know my sound card works | 20:58 |
debdog | to have sound create (if possible on live) /etc/asound.conf with content: | 21:00 |
debdog | defaults.ctl.!card Generic | 21:00 |
debdog | defaults.pcm.!card Generic | 21:00 |
debdog | (IIRC) | 21:00 |
debdog | not sure 'bout ther Generic part | 21:00 |
TwistedFate | debdog, done | 21:01 |
TwistedFate | how do i restart alsa? :3 | 21:01 |
debdog | you don't. each program reads that file on startup. so you have to restart the program you play sound with | 21:02 |
TwistedFate | oh | 21:02 |
TwistedFate | nice | 21:02 |
TwistedFate | meh, still doesn't work | 21:02 |
TwistedFate | nevermind | 21:02 |
TwistedFate | i'm shocked that pulseaudio is a default on devuan | 21:03 |
debdog | wait, in yopur case that's prolly pulseaudio | 21:03 |
debdog | fucking everything up | 21:03 |
debdog | so you might have to restart that one | 21:03 |
debdog | if that doesn't work and it PA does not honor this file, it's yet another reason to get rit of it | 21:04 |
furrywolf | asound.conf is useless when using pulseaudio. | 21:04 |
debdog | hehe, why is that not surprising | 21:05 |
furrywolf | if you're going to use pulse, you need to deal with pulse's configuration. something that's not using alsa's libraries will never even open alsa's config file. | 21:05 |
debdog | fsmithred: task, replace PA by apulse :D | 21:05 |
fsmithred | will bring it up at the next meeting | 21:06 |
furrywolf | as you said, each program reads that file on startup... when it initializes alsa. which it doesn't do if it's using pulse instead. | 21:06 |
debdog | oh, thought you're the head maintainer of the live-cd | 21:06 |
fsmithred | I just tried sound in the desktop-live iso, and it works fine... | 21:06 |
furrywolf | yes, eliminating pulse would be a good thing for devuan, and something I've asked for many, many times. :P | 21:06 |
fsmithred | until I open the PA volume control, and then the sound stutters | 21:06 |
debdog | furrywolf: I hoped PA is reading it on startup as well and then use "Generic" as device | 21:07 |
furrywolf | yes. pulse causes stuttering. always has. and other less-obvious audio defects. also always has. | 21:07 |
fsmithred | I had no idea. We just inherit the deps from debian. Sorry. | 21:07 |
debdog | I see | 21:08 |
TwistedFate | how to restart alsa? | 21:08 |
TwistedFate | just purged PA | 21:08 |
fsmithred | it's supposed to be easy to change the default device in PA | 21:08 |
fsmithred | oh, ok | 21:08 |
fsmithred | /etc/init.d/asla-utils restart | 21:08 |
debdog | alsa is a kernel module, no need to restart it | 21:08 |
furrywolf | as debdog said, you need to restart each program that uses alsa. | 21:08 |
furrywolf | also, note that purging pulse often does not actually stop the pulse daemon from running. | 21:09 |
furrywolf | and you need to manually kill it. | 21:09 |
fsmithred | wow, it is easy to remove, and yes, it does keep running after you remove it | 21:11 |
furrywolf | yeah, I'd label not-actually-killing-the-daemon-you-just-deleted-all-the-conf-files-for a bug, but it's been like that _forever_ and no one seems to care. | 21:12 |
debdog | I'd thnink that's a good solution | 21:13 |
debdog | running processes should generally not be touched by the packaging software, well, with some exceptions, of course | 21:14 |
debdog | like updates. but in that case it asks one whether it should restart the deamons or not | 21:14 |
furrywolf | I'm pretty sure the pre-removal scripts for just about everything else stop the appropriate software first. | 21:15 |
debdog | hmm, what could be a nice process to test that with? | 21:15 |
debdog | hah, PA | 21:16 |
debdog | wait, no | 21:16 |
fsmithred | debdog, I just tested with tilda - it stayed open after I removed the package. | 21:38 |
fsmithred | I think only services shut themselves down before removal | 21:38 |
debdog | hmm, ok, I thought that applies to deamons, too | 21:40 |
debdog | thank god I am not a server adminitrator :D | 21:40 |
debdog | lol +s | 21:40 |
TwistedFate | btw, does sound work in firefox when alsa is used? | 21:45 |
debdog | TwistedFate: if not, try apulse | 21:46 |
TwistedFate | when devuan is installed with netinst, does it use alsa by default? | 21:50 |
fsmithred | depends on what you select | 21:50 |
debdog | I think that depends on... | 21:51 |
debdog | right | 21:51 |
fsmithred | if you select a desktop environment, you get pulseaudio | 21:51 |
TwistedFate | >.< | 21:51 |
fsmithred | if you just select standard system utilities you get alsa only | 21:51 |
fsmithred | and no graphical environment | 21:51 |
fsmithred | (all the cool people know that's the way to go) | 21:52 |
fsmithred | then add what you want and minimize the metapackages | 21:52 |
TwistedFate | i wanted to install gentoo, originally.. but i'm to tired for that | 21:53 |
TwistedFate | so devuan will have to do :S | 21:53 |
fsmithred | I could never figure out what options to use on the kernel build | 21:53 |
TwistedFate | it took me a while to figure out how to configure & compile a kernel | 21:54 |
TwistedFate | hmm | 21:59 |
TwistedFate | time to experiment a bit | 21:59 |
TwistedFate | gonna go with kde this time | 22:00 |
TwistedFate | does kde work nice in devuan? | 22:00 |
fsmithred | kde works | 22:01 |
fsmithred | oops | 22:01 |
fsmithred | if you like that sort of thing | 22:01 |
fsmithred | and have a lot of RAM | 22:01 |
slvr_ | will kde work better with a radeon? | 22:01 |
fsmithred | no idea | 22:01 |
slvr_ | It sucks with a geforce. :/ | 22:01 |
fsmithred | you're using nouveau or nvidia driver? | 22:02 |
slvr_ | nouveau, yes. | 22:02 |
ErRandir | FYI, I did not use pulseaudio on Devuan Jessie and the upgrade to Ascii did not add it. Sound works like before. So you should only have to purge it once | 22:02 |
TwistedFatePhone | Do I need a /boot partition if I'm creating an EFI system partition? | 22:11 |
fsmithred | TwistedFatePhone, no | 22:12 |
fsmithred | if you're encrypting the system, you might want a separate /boot, but it's not necessary | 22:12 |
fsmithred | but if you do the full-disk encryption (full except for efi part) then grub is v e r y s l o w about responding to the passphrase. | 22:13 |
fsmithred | are you installing from the live? | 22:14 |
TwistedFatePhone | fsmithred: heck no, netinst | 22:15 |
TwistedFatePhone | fsmithred: what are 'standard system utilities'? | 22:18 |
TwistedFatePhone | in software selection (expert installer) | 22:18 |
_abc_ | Hello. Why would mkfs.ext2 be extremely slow writing a new fs to a new usb stick (usb 2.0 but clocked at 15MBps) | 22:20 |
_abc_ | It takes ages. -c option is not used. Devuan ascii. | 22:20 |
_abc_ | Something is seriously wrong here | 22:21 |
fsmithred | TwistedFatePhone, things like less, bz2 and some other stuff | 22:22 |
fsmithred | stuff you would expect to be there on the command line | 22:22 |
fsmithred | not bloat | 22:22 |
_abc_ | So, how long should a mkfs.ext2 on a brand new flash 32GB stick take? It seems to take forever here. Under devuan ascii? | 22:25 |
specing | Why not mkfs.btrfs? | 22:25 |
_abc_ | mkfs.ext2 -vDL label1 /dev/sdb1 | 22:26 |
slvr_ | _abc_: did you partition it? | 22:26 |
_abc_ | ^ this is my command running now, I had to interrupt it 3 times so far, without -D, now with -D | 22:26 |
_abc_ | slvr_: it was partitioned with a single fat32, commercial new stick. I changed the partition flag to 83 using fdisk and then formatting it. | 22:27 |
_abc_ | I've formatted umpteen sticks on this system, first time I see such a mess | 22:27 |
slvr_ | I strongly prefer to remove all partitions and create a new table. | 22:27 |
_abc_ | "Writing inode tables" proceeds at about 1 table every 5 seconds for 232 tables. | 22:27 |
_abc_ | slvr_: not relevant. There is only one partition. | 22:27 |
_abc_ | So how long should it take?! | 22:28 |
_abc_ | Is it linear with disk size? | 22:28 |
_abc_ | I mean this is ridiculously slow. Something is seriously amiss? | 22:29 |
slvr_ | remove the partition. Make a new one. Start at sector 2048. type 8e. | 22:30 |
_abc_ | Why 8e? | 22:30 |
debdog | anything suspicious on dmesg? | 22:30 |
slvr_ | because you need some LVM in your life. | 22:30 |
_abc_ | nothing in dmesg | 22:30 |
_abc_ | slvr_: do get a life. | 22:30 |
slvr_ | you can always strace the process | 22:30 |
slvr_ | not like I'm a storage admin or anything, but that's what I'd do. | 22:31 |
_abc_ | I'd rather hear from others how long it takes to format a silly partition? | 22:31 |
_abc_ | At least with -D it seems to not get stuck. | 22:31 |
fsmithred | _abc_, not that long | 22:31 |
gnarface | well wait... how long is long here? because it could take *hours* | 22:32 |
gnarface | it could take *days* with a badblocks pass added in | 22:32 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: Hi. I've never seen it go this slow in 25 ? years of linux (since 1995 or so) | 22:32 |
specing | Maybe the stick is a dud | 22:32 |
fsmithred | I've seen old sticks slow down | 22:32 |
_abc_ | The stick is brand new and I tested it by filling it to the end. | 22:32 |
gnarface | ext2/3/4 are known to format and resize the slowest, and cheap flash can have dramatic speed differences, even brand new stuff | 22:32 |
_abc_ | No slow down. Kingston DataTraveller G4 32GB | 22:33 |
gnarface | you can use "iotop -a" to see if it is actually writing anything | 22:33 |
_abc_ | good idea | 22:33 |
slvr_ | I bet the partition extends past the end of the disk. | 22:33 |
_abc_ | slvr_: no | 22:33 |
slvr_ | Wifes new stick was like that. | 22:33 |
specing | _abc_:ext2 format takes less than a second for me | 22:33 |
_abc_ | I did not buy it in an Asian market. | 22:33 |
slvr_ | just by a few bytes, a mistake, not a scam. | 22:34 |
specing | _abc_: modprobe zram num_devices=4 ; printf "32G" > /sys/block/zram0/disksize; mkfs.ext2 /dev/zram0 | 22:34 |
gnarface | specing: you might be doing the lazy format thing though? | 22:34 |
_abc_ | specing: on what hw | 22:34 |
slvr_ | man you have a hell of a tall high horse. haha. | 22:34 |
gnarface | ext2 won't take "seconds" unless you're using a small SSD | 22:34 |
specing | gentoo, core2duo, zram emulated storage device (in-memory) | 22:34 |
gnarface | or are doing the lazy non-format format pass | 22:34 |
gnarface | oh, or a ram disk :-p | 22:34 |
specing | yes :) | 22:34 |
specing | _abc_: repeat on zram to see if the problem is OS | 22:35 |
_abc_ | It is not the os for sure, the hw is a little bottleneck. USB2.0 only available now for this | 22:35 |
specing | I'd bet on dud stick though | 22:35 |
_abc_ | Grr | 22:35 |
_abc_ | I already said I filled it to the end, speed was nice. | 22:35 |
gnarface | _abc_: i'm not sure it is a dud honestly. i've seen this on regular working stuff that was just cheap. | 22:36 |
_abc_ | Well with -D it is slow and constant. Running iotop now, just installed | 22:36 |
_abc_ | Kingston is not particularly cheap or bad. I like it more than other lower cost brands. | 22:36 |
gnarface | _abc_: other things that can slow it down are lack of DMA access (using PIO mode should be detectable with hdparm) or known issues performance with the usb block device drivers on ARM with the recent late end of the 4.x kernels... | 22:37 |
_abc_ | This is Intel | 22:37 |
_abc_ | but older 32 bit coreduo | 22:37 |
gnarface | ah, right. nevermind the ARM thing probably then | 22:37 |
gnarface | also try "hdparm -i [device] | 22:38 |
_abc_ | iotop says the process is io bound and mkfs writes | 22:38 |
gnarface | er, "hdparm -i [device]" | 22:38 |
_abc_ | mkfs leads the iotop table by a long margin. | 22:39 |
_abc_ | *large | 22:39 |
_abc_ | Disk Write in iotop is per second or total? | 22:39 |
gnarface | _abc_: if you run "iotop -a" for a while (note "-a" for cumulative) you should see one of the processes slowly gaining a lead in total throughput. basically as long as it is counting up, i'd let it keep going until it says some value ridiculously higher than the total space on the flash card, and i would not assume it is dead unless it froze before reaching that | 22:39 |
gnarface | _abc_: yea, without "-a" it is just a per second speed rating. that's not quite as helpful to you in this scenario. | 22:40 |
_abc_ | gnarface: it's not supposed to fill the card. But it is writing and increasing. | 22:40 |
_abc_ | Useful command, noted | 22:40 |
_abc_ | I'll let it run to the (bitter) end | 22:41 |
gnarface | _abc_: well, here's the thing. if you're formatting with ext2/3/4, it absolutely *does* fill the whole card. but if you mean that you partitioned it and you're only formatting one partition, obviously do some math and just count to the size of that partition | 22:41 |
_abc_ | Well it's one partition and just about fills the disk apart from the mbr | 22:42 |
gnarface | what type of write speeds was iotop showing you without "-a" ? | 22:42 |
_abc_ | Without -a it's hopping in and out but speeds are like 7.5 Kbytes/sec ?! | 22:43 |
_abc_ | I assume it writes lots of small files. | 22:43 |
_abc_ | It is better to ext2fs format a binary image in ram then write it out with dd? | 22:43 |
_abc_ | I have no idea how this thing is coded but the speed (lack of) is ridiculous. | 22:44 |
_abc_ | Why would a ext2fs format fill the disk? It should write only inode and superblock tables, no? | 22:45 |
_abc_ | kernel is Linux devuan 4.9.0-8-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.110-3+deb9u6 (2018-10-08) -- latest? | 22:45 |
_abc_ | for ascii | 22:45 |
gnarface | _abc_: ext* is primitive as fuck. if you want fast formats use xfs or reiserfs. | 22:46 |
_abc_ | What percentage of the disk would ext2 housekeeping structures occupy? 5% | 22:46 |
_abc_ | Isn't reiser deprecated? | 22:46 |
gnarface | only by the debian installer | 22:46 |
_abc_ | Hm. Is Reiser still in jail? | 22:46 |
gnarface | default reserved space for ext* is 5% i think, but you probably only need to really reserve space on the / partition and whatever partition your system daemons log to | 22:47 |
gnarface | heh, yes he is still in jail | 22:47 |
_abc_ | I know, I was asking about what the housekeeping consumes. How much space. | 22:47 |
gnarface | probably a lot less than 5% on anything of modern size | 22:47 |
gnarface | xfs is really good and won't get you any flak | 22:49 |
_abc_ | I've done a lot of 8-16GB ext2 formatting sticks lately never saw it so slow, but that was before upgrading the kernel. Is the new kernel (above) known to have some hiccups? | 22:49 |
gnarface | if you're using commercial software like Steam however, using something other than ext4 has historically proven to be more trouble than it is worth | 22:49 |
gnarface | (but note that is Valve's fault, not XFS) | 22:49 |
_abc_ | I'm not into steam. I'm into disk image manipulation, for openwrt and other purposes.\ | 22:49 |
gnarface | you might really like xfs | 22:50 |
gnarface | it is good with big files | 22:50 |
_abc_ | I might, or not, I need these things to be conservative so I can open them on ancient devices. | 22:50 |
_abc_ | xfs is in xfstools? | 22:51 |
_abc_ | Also does that not need a kernel module support? | 22:51 |
gnarface | every filesystem requires a kernel module and dedicated userspace tools. ext2 is not an exception to that. | 22:52 |
gnarface | your stock debian kernel should have all these modules already built | 22:52 |
gnarface | built and installed, maybe or maybe not automatically loaded | 22:53 |
_abc_ | cat /proc/filesystems |grep xfs -> nada | 22:53 |
gnarface | lsmod |grep xfs | 22:53 |
_abc_ | sudo modprobe xfs -> success | 22:54 |
gnarface | find /lib/modules/`uname -r`/ -iname 'xfs*' | 22:54 |
_abc_ | Yeah overkill I guess, it is in now | 22:54 |
gnarface | yea you'll need xfsprogs too | 22:54 |
_abc_ | What is 'nodev' in cat /proc/filesystems | 22:54 |
gnarface | unused, i assume | 22:55 |
gnarface | or unused by physical devices at least? | 22:55 |
_abc_ | strange because some are also not used and do not have that | 22:55 |
gnarface | non-kernel mounts? i dunno | 22:55 |
_abc_ | btrfs is good for what usually? | 22:55 |
gnarface | it's supposed to be the thing that will save you from the shitty choice of ext* or xfs. but multiple sources tell me it is not advised for production use yet. you said you wanted old and reliable; i'd avoid btrfs | 22:56 |
_abc_ | copy | 22:56 |
_abc_ | I've used reiserfs on etch, it was smooth for me, others complained at the time. | 22:56 |
TwistedFatePhone | i got disconnected | 22:56 |
TwistedFatePhone | can i upgrade to ceres from stable, or i gotta switch to testing first? | 22:57 |
gnarface | _abc_: the biggest problem with reiserfs is that if your disk fsck process triggers on boot before DMA is engaged for the block devices, say on a raid or something, fsck.reiserfs can take forever and a half to complete in PIO mode | 22:57 |
_abc_ | Okay the mkfs finished. | 22:57 |
_abc_ | Wow. | 22:57 |
TwistedFatePhone | MinceR: fsmithred halp | 22:58 |
gnarface | but yea, formatting and resizing are things inherently faster in xfs and reiserfs due to fundamentals of the design | 22:58 |
_abc_ | I should have timed it. -D was crucial, would not finish without it, time between screen updates seemed to go up exponentially | 22:58 |
_abc_ | I think it's the new kernel doing this. | 22:58 |
MinceR | TwistedFatePhone: no idea, sorry | 22:58 |
_abc_ | I't s hunch for now, I'll reboot into the previous kernel and try some things tomorrow. | 22:58 |
TwistedFatePhone | furrywolf: | 22:59 |
TwistedFatePhone | do you know? | 22:59 |
gnarface | _abc_: high cpu load during block writes could be a driver or kernel issue, that's not unheard of. you might want to try some adjacent versions to compare speeds | 22:59 |
gnarface | TwistedFatePhone: downgrades are unsupported by debian | 23:00 |
_abc_ | I also had an unrelated problem with a SD card today, vfat, I had to use ddrescue with raw device access on read to read it without errors. The 4.x series kernels seem to be less than perfect sometimes. | 23:00 |
TwistedFatePhone | what?, i don't wanna downgrade, i wanna upgrade | 23:00 |
gnarface | TwistedFatePhone: i'm pretty sure ceres still comes after stable | 23:01 |
TwistedFatePhone | ceres is unstable, is it not? | 23:01 |
gnarface | correct | 23:02 |
TwistedFatePhone | beowulf is new testing, right? | 23:03 |
gnarface | i don't think it is in sync with debian yet | 23:04 |
gnarface | so it corresponds to devuan stable but it is not actually "new testing" | 23:04 |
gnarface | er | 23:04 |
gnarface | corresponds to *debian* stable i mean | 23:04 |
gnarface | still currently in testing for devuan | 23:04 |
gnarface | (afaik) | 23:04 |
TwistedFatePhone | should i just use 'testing' and 'unstable' in sources? | 23:04 |
gnarface | no, this is actually an example of why NOT to use those keywords | 23:05 |
TwistedFatePhone | and do i also keep using security and updates if i'm switching to ceres? | 23:05 |
gnarface | no they only exist for stable | 23:05 |
TwistedFatePhone | how do i upgrade to ceres if devuan is in beowulf limbo? | 23:06 |
gnarface | debian's official recommendation is to reinstall fresh | 23:06 |
gnarface | merge config files by hand | 23:06 |
TwistedFatePhone | this is fresh netinst | 23:06 |
gnarface | why not just do a fresh ascii netinst then upgrade to beowulf then? | 23:07 |
TwistedFatePhone | this is ascii netinst | 23:07 |
TwistedFatePhone | so, apt-get dist-upgrade? | 23:08 |
gnarface | "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" | 23:08 |
gnarface | (it is advised to do "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade" as separate steps though it rarely matters) | 23:08 |
TwistedFatePhone | done, swching to ceres in sources niw | 23:10 |
TwistedFatePhone | now* | 23:10 |
gnarface | wait | 23:10 |
gnarface | i thought you said you were trying to upgrade ascii to beowulf | 23:10 |
gnarface | why are you referring to ceres at all? | 23:10 |
gnarface | TwistedFatePhone: ^ | 23:10 |
TwistedFatePhone | i want to upgrade to ceres | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | i was just wondering if i can do it from stable | 23:11 |
gnarface | update from ascii to beowulf first, then from beowulf to ceres | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | or do i have to switch to testing first | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | got it | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | already done | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | ermm | 23:11 |
gnarface | you DO have to go through testing first, but your initial question was about downgrading not upgrading. downgrading is not supported. | 23:11 |
TwistedFatePhone | no | 23:12 |
TwistedFatePhone | so, do i change sources to 'beowulf'? | 23:12 |
TwistedFatePhone | or is apt-get dist-upgrade enough? | 23:12 |
gnarface | you need to change the sources and run "apt-get update" first, every time | 23:13 |
gnarface | note that apt-get does not consider "update" and "upgrade" to be synonyms | 23:14 |
TwistedFatePhone | Jesus, this thing is freaking fast | 23:15 |
TwistedFatePhone | uh oh, after upgrading, i can no longer use 'reboot' and 'halt' frm terminal.. | 23:37 |
TwistedFatePhone | 'bash: reboot: command not found' | 23:37 |
slvr_ | try /sbin/reboot or /usr/sbin/reboot. Something broke with the paths for root recently. | 23:38 |
fsmithred | try /sbin/reboot | 23:40 |
fsmithred | oh, sorry. was already said. | 23:40 |
TwistedFatePhone | that works | 23:40 |
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