cosurgi | FunkyBob: apt-get is still downloading, 10minutes to go. | 00:00 |
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FunkyBob | I meant for you to elaborate on the use of ~g | 00:00 |
cosurgi | FunkyBob: ah. this filter shows in aptitude all packages that have flag meaning they have been automatically installed, but are not currently needed by any manually installed packages. | 00:01 |
cosurgi | It helps cleaning :) | 00:01 |
FunkyBob | yes, I got that... got a usage example? | 00:02 |
FunkyBob | (I don't remember the last time I used "aptitude") | 00:03 |
cosurgi | ok, I suppose it allows similar thing as `apt autoremove` and so on. But in aptitude using this filter means that I can see these packages listed. And examine them if I wanted. | 00:04 |
cosurgi | So a cool filter. Not super-useful, to be strict. | 00:04 |
FunkyBob | umm... yes, I agree it's cool | 00:05 |
FunkyBob | but could you please provide a simple example of _using_ it? | 00:05 |
fsmithred | aptitude purge ~g (I've never done that, didn't know it.) | 00:08 |
fsmithred | I have used aptitude purge ~c a bunch of time. | 00:08 |
fsmithred | s | 00:08 |
cosurgi2 | hm. freenode disconnects randomly. | 00:09 |
cosurgi2 | "Ping timeout: 258 seconds" | 00:09 |
fsmithred | I used to get a lot of disconnects until I got a new router. | 00:10 |
cosurgi | heh. | 00:10 |
cosurgi | that's a university network. Has pretty fast connection. 10MB/sec between universities across all Europe. | 00:11 |
cosurgi | So... I wouldn't blame 'my router' :) | 00:11 |
fsmithred | ok, they're probably not using an old 4-port dlink | 00:11 |
cosurgi | wohoo! 5 seconds left. | 00:11 |
cosurgi | Reading changelogs... 45% takes a minute | 00:13 |
FunkyBob | not sure why you'd get timeouts on freenode... I leave this session connected for months at a time | 00:14 |
cosurgi | yeah. I'm not sure either. Sometimes doesn't happen for 3 months | 00:15 |
cosurgi | and sometimes happes 4 times per week. | 00:15 |
FunkyBob | gremlins. :P | 00:15 |
cosurgi | yeah :) | 00:15 |
cosurgi | whoa. "apt-listchanges: News" is a pretty long read. | 00:16 |
cosurgi | I think I will browse it a bit. | 00:16 |
cosurgi | sorry. Now I have 3 sessions running. Should I disconnect the other ones, to reduce noise? | 00:17 |
cosurgi | ok. Now keep fingers crossed so that I don't have some dpks error during unpacking. | 00:22 |
FatPhil | cosurgi - just use a screen/tmux session on whatever machine's most reliable, and pick that up from wherever. | 00:38 |
cosurgi | actually these irc sessions are inside screens on three different servers in university network. | 00:39 |
cosurgi | But yeah. I will close one of them | 00:39 |
cosurgi | One backup is enough :) | 00:39 |
cosurgi | ok :) | 00:40 |
cosurgi | FatPhil: btw I'm upgrading my workstation to beowulf | 00:41 |
cosurgi | so far all is good. | 00:41 |
cosurgi | After plenty of pondering I did: `apt-get --no-install-recommends --only-upgrade dist-upgrade` | 00:42 |
cosurgi | okey. I will leave it unpacking. I must go to sleep. | 00:48 |
cosurgi | W: APT had planned for dpkg to do more than it reported back (17997 vs 18004). | 01:31 |
cosurgi | Affected packages: libreoffice-common:amd64 | 01:31 |
cosurgi | whoa, 670 files changed in /etc | 01:32 |
cosurgi | huh? | 01:33 |
cosurgi | 89 files in /etc/systemd/system ? That looks like plenty for devuan. | 01:34 |
fsmithred | I've got 43 with almost 1600 packages installed | 01:38 |
cosurgi | hm. :( | 01:38 |
cosurgi | they weren't there before. I have git in /etc | 01:38 |
fsmithred | they're just service files | 01:38 |
cosurgi | ok | 01:39 |
cosurgi | anyway. I will continue tomorrow. Really need some sleep. | 01:39 |
fsmithred | us having them is like running systemd and having sysvinit scripts hanging around | 01:39 |
cosurgi | ah, ok. | 01:40 |
cosurgi | :) | 01:40 |
cosurgi | goodnight :) | 01:40 |
fsmithred | g'night | 01:40 |
Evilham | fsmithred: apparently there is a setting to tell apt to excludea pattern from installation, I forgot what it is but can find it again | 01:52 |
Evilham | Maybe if it's added to the website people will stop asking this | 01:52 |
fsmithred | there's a whole page of aptitude special switches | 01:53 |
fsmithred | I saved a copy, but I don't know if I could find that one. | 01:53 |
jiefk | fsmithred: Thanks for the hints from yesterday :) | 11:46 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: looks like it went ok. Now I'm cleaning stuff with aptitude: Disk: -2448 MB DL: 25.9 MB. Packages to be upgraded (16), Packages to be removed (143), Packages being removed because they are no longer used (606) | 12:47 |
fsmithred | cool! I'm glad you both survived it. | 12:48 |
cosurgi | I didn't reboot yet though :) | 12:50 |
cosurgi | I want to build a 5.2.1 kernel package, backport mesa & xserver packages from experimental. Then reboot ;) | 12:51 |
cosurgi | so things can only get funnier today. | 12:51 |
* FunkyBob wonders why debian's kernel is so far behind... | 12:52 | |
MinceR | because they don't use fedora's packages for it yet | 12:52 |
cosurgi | actually I had a hell-day with opensuse, because someone sues it. I would never use their packages, for anything. It's a total mess. | 12:53 |
cosurgi | *uses | 12:53 |
cosurgi | and fedora is somehow connected with suse. AFAIK? | 12:53 |
FunkyBob | they both use RPMs... and have somewhat similar enterpricey attitudes and layouts | 12:54 |
MinceR | they're both systemd/Linux distributions | 12:54 |
MinceR | they're both slaves to microsoft | 12:54 |
cosurgi | oh, btw. while cleaning up packages I saw elogind, libpam-elogind conflicting with some systemd. I assume they are both good packages to use? | 12:55 |
MinceR | lol | 12:57 |
* cosurgi is ignorant somehow. | 12:57 | |
FunkyBob | good because they conflict with systemd? :) | 12:57 |
cosurgi | yep! :) | 12:57 |
FunkyBob | huh... tried to go to tracker.devuan.org ... HSTS violation, and Brave won't let me go there | 13:00 |
MinceR | where even the Brave dare not tread | 13:01 |
djph | FunkyBob: just got a redirect to devuan.org here. | 13:10 |
fsmithred | FunkyBob, everything in debian (and devuan) is old. It's a feature. (not kidding) | 13:34 |
fsmithred | cosurgi, yes, you probably want elogind and libpam-elogind. And also libelogind0, which will replace libsystemd0 | 13:42 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: cool thanks! | 13:42 |
fsmithred | you're using a window manager? | 13:43 |
cosurgi | this is super strange. I didn't restart yet. The packages are installed, but I have no new kernel and no new mesa packages. And suddenly `LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo -B` shows "Device: NV136 (0x1c03)" Instead of "Device: llvmpipe (LLVM 3.9, 256 bits) (0xffffffff)". And that a steam game (this war of mine) works with GPU acceleration on nouveau. And it didn't work before the upgrade. I didn't even restart | 13:43 |
cosurgi | the xserver. | 13:43 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: sawfish | 13:43 |
fsmithred | with or without display manager? | 13:44 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: before 2009 I was sawfish maintainer :) Then I left do work in physics. | 13:44 |
fsmithred | ok, fair to drink your own poison | 13:44 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: you mean the session manager? I use rox-session for that. | 13:44 |
fsmithred | oh, I didn't know rox-session existed | 13:44 |
cosurgi | it's gods nectar ;) | 13:44 |
* cosurgi loves sawfish | 13:44 | |
fsmithred | no, I mean like gdm, kdm,xdm, slim, lightdm | 13:44 |
cosurgi | none of them/ | 13:45 |
FatPhil | Dzien dobry cosurgi, I hope you're not making as much of your system as I am today! | 13:45 |
fsmithred | I think I used sawfish with gnome many years ago | 13:45 |
cosurgi | FatPhil: hi :) I am continuing the total system upgrade, which is fun :) | 13:45 |
fsmithred | startx will work if elogind is installed | 13:46 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: yes, I use startx. | 13:46 |
cosurgi | `startx -- -nolisten tcp -dpi 100` this one. | 13:46 |
fsmithred | what does -nolisten tcp do? (or better, where is it documented? not in man startx) | 13:48 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: actually rox-session stopped to exist like over 10 years ago. I just keep it, and keep using it locally :) | 13:49 |
cosurgi | fsmithred: no external connections allowed. I am paranoid, you know. | 13:49 |
fsmithred | lol | 13:49 |
fsmithred | so that would block vnc, I guess? | 13:49 |
cosurgi | I am not sure. I didn't investigate to be honest. I just like this flag. | 13:50 |
fsmithred | no, it doesn't | 13:50 |
fsmithred | not here | 13:50 |
cosurgi | and it's not an startx argument. the -- mens that it's passed next down the chain. I think it is passed to X | 13:50 |
fsmithred | usr/lib/xorg/Xorg :0 vt07 -nolisten tcp -novtswitch -auth /var/run/lxdm/lxdm-:0.auth | 13:51 |
fsmithred | vnc over ssh works | 13:51 |
fsmithred | ssh -X works | 13:51 |
cosurgi | I think this is about direct access. Without ssh | 13:51 |
fsmithred | yeah | 13:51 |
cosurgi | btw I hate -novtswitch | 13:54 |
* cosurgi uses 5 xservers simultaneously. Each for different kind of work. | 13:54 | |
cosurgi | just not now. Currently only 3 xservers are left running, because I am preparing for system restart :) And this one here is for cleaning system and administration. | 13:55 |
fsmithred | I didn't think that stopped me from running more xservers. Gonna try it. | 13:57 |
fsmithred | startx -- :1 works | 13:58 |
cosurgi | Oh. I thought that this is the one that blocks ctrl-alt-Fn to switch virtual terminals. | 13:58 |
cosurgi | I've seen this blocked on some ubuntu version. | 13:59 |
fsmithred | could be. I always had trouble figuring out ubuntu. | 13:59 |
fsmithred | bbl. need to go out, and I'm shutting down to reduce heat. | 14:03 |
* FatPhil drinks beer to reduce heat | 14:04 | |
* cosurgi opens all windows at night to reduce heat. Then closes all windows and curtains during the day. | 14:05 | |
cosurgi | This helps a little. | 14:05 |
* FatPhil joins the -novtswitch is evil team | 14:06 | |
* FatPhil has very high thermal ballast (80cm thick limestone walls) so doesn't suffer too much. Also, being 59o N helps. | 14:09 | |
cosurgi | hm | 14:52 |
cosurgi | I just noticed this error: | 14:52 |
cosurgi | Detached signature file '/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/pl.mirror.devuan.org_merged_dists_beowulf_Release.gpg' is in unsupported binary format | 14:52 |
cosurgi | The repository 'http://pl.mirror.devuan.org/merged beowulf Release' is no longer signed. | 14:52 |
cosurgi | How would I fix that? | 14:52 |
cosurgi | ah, nevermind. I replaced pl.mirror.devuan.org with packages.devuan.org | 15:02 |
mazes_80 | Hi, I just sent a draft for plymouth, it is quite messy as differences due to autoreconf, between dget and cloning from salsa.debian.org and local changes are all mixed | 15:13 |
mazes_80 | When I feel brave enough, i'll unwind local changes, to set them in their own commit | 15:15 |
mazes_80 | je viens de faire revivre un "NAS", en faisant strictement rien | 15:45 |
mazes_80 | j'ai débranché le disque, démarré la machine sans disque, redémarré avec disque ??? | 15:45 |
mazes_80 | sorry wrong channel for messages about NAS | 15:50 |
debdog | I attempt to install Devuan jessie on an elderly laptop. via DVD using image devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso. laptop is connected to the net by eth0 and shows up as such on the router | 16:09 |
debdog | running expert install, when it comes to configure apt it says, roughly translated, "unable to access archive on deb.devuan.org" | 16:09 |
debdog | on the second console I am able to ping deb.devuan.org, so it does not seem to be a networking issue | 16:10 |
debdog | even tried to enter the resulting IP of that ping into the apt configuring dialogue manually without success. so prolly not a DNS issue either | 16:11 |
debdog | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt says to use http://deb.devuan.org/merged which is accessible via browser on my desktop 'puter http://deb.devuan.org//merged/ | 16:13 |
debdog | even though there is a 'jessie' there, do I need another entry for Jessie in sources.list? | 16:14 |
debdog | or what could be wrong? | 16:14 |
drawkula | moooment... I'll check the jessie repo by updating a jessie-VM | 16:16 |
debdog | k | 16:17 |
drawkula | einige repos sind nicht zu kriegen | 16:18 |
debdog | hmm | 16:18 |
drawkula | jessie-updates / -backports | 16:18 |
debdog | disabled backports | 16:18 |
debdog | enabled everything else | 16:18 |
drawkula | but jessie (main repo) should be enough | 16:18 |
debdog | mayhap I try without src | 16:18 |
debdog | yah, should™ :) | 16:19 |
drawkula | shouldnt the DVD have enough debs to get a system installed? | 16:19 |
drawkula | or try ascii netinstall | 16:19 |
debdog | if the apt configure dialogue fails, the next one, selcting packages, fails as well. | 16:19 |
drawkula | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/ looks better | 16:20 |
debdog | the reason I went for jessie is the older kernel, because of the proprietary GPU driver | 16:20 |
debdog | trying... | 16:21 |
drawkula | ...than days ago | 16:21 |
drawkula | but maybe the contents of the dirs isnt fully correct | 16:21 |
drawkula | some days ago the 2 repos were completely missing | 16:21 |
drawkula | via auto.mirror.devuan.org I get all rpos | 16:23 |
drawkula | strrrrange | 16:23 |
drawkula | scary many updates | 16:24 |
drawkula | but my update runs | 16:24 |
drawkula | jessie+xfce | 16:25 |
debdog | I just remembered there is a console showing the log. says: GPG-error | 16:26 |
debdog | even though it does NOT use https | 16:27 |
debdog | need some public GPG-key it seems | 16:27 |
drawkula | hmmmm | 16:28 |
drawkula | manüll devuan-keyring holen? | 16:29 |
drawkula | vers 2017.10.03 | 16:30 |
debdog | the package? I suppose | 16:30 |
drawkula | ! | 16:30 |
drawkula | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/ | 16:31 |
debdog | trying... may take a while | 16:32 |
FatPhil | yeah, wild stab in the dark: apt-get upgrade devuan-keyring | 16:32 |
drawkula | when the repo is rejectet due to missing keys? | 16:33 |
debdog | FatPhil: sorry, at this stage of the installation process apt-get is not available yet | 16:34 |
* drawkula is waiting for the lightshow --> https://www.dwd.de/DE/wetter/warnungen_gemeinden/warnkarten/warnkarten_node.html?ort=Clausthal-Zellerfeld | 16:37 | |
drawkula | if I'm away without a goodbye, it killed my connection... | 16:37 |
onefang | Debian updated their keyring with the release of Buster. | 16:38 |
drawkula | :-( | 16:40 |
drawkula | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/d/devuan-keyring/devuan-keyring_2017.10.03_all.deb still has a 2017 timestamp | 16:41 |
drawkula | debian-keyring in jessie is 2015.04.10 | 16:42 |
drawkula | away some minutes... mission calories... | 16:43 |
debdog | no success. I've skipped the entire network section and then was able to have minimal selection of software to install. looking into that repo issue at a later time | 16:47 |
FatPhil | can you install from a livecd? | 17:26 |
fsmithred | FatPhil, yes | 17:26 |
fsmithred | refractainstaller is there, not debian-installer | 17:27 |
FatPhil | maybe that's the way of cheating it into having everything available | 17:27 |
fsmithred | what do you mean? | 17:29 |
FatPhil | having no access to apt-get was mentioned, though I'm not following the discussion religiously | 17:35 |
FatPhil | attempting to navigate a pubcrawl through a suburb I'm thoroughly unfamiliar with. | 17:35 |
fsmithred | on foot, I hope | 17:36 |
FatPhil | absolutely. had to start in the wilderness via a taxi, but crawling back | 17:36 |
fsmithred | pretty sure some of the live isos have debootstrap installed | 17:36 |
onefang | So that's on foot and hands. B-) | 17:36 |
fsmithred | he'll lose the ability to text us before he crawls | 17:37 |
FatPhil | onefang: we started early, and are taking things slowly. plan to remain civilised. | 17:38 |
FatPhil | i have better control over my nokia n900 than I do my legs! | 17:38 |
FatPhil | i have a self-moderating system - if I can't type in my password, I can't pick up my tmux session. | 17:41 |
nminix | Hi there, how do I get Japanese (hiragana, katakana, & kanji) input working? | 18:22 |
nminix | i installed ibus-anthy, get "can't connect to ibus". | 18:23 |
gnarface | i thought you'd just have to install some fonts and change the locale | 18:35 |
gnarface | i dunno anything about ibus | 18:35 |
nminix | i ran dpkg-reconfigure-locales | 18:36 |
nminix | and added ja_JP.UTF-8 | 18:37 |
gnarface | maybe also try dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration? | 18:37 |
nminix | just did dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration too | 18:45 |
gnarface | your terminal program needs to support it too | 18:46 |
nminix | it supports the keyboard-config menu, yes | 18:47 |
nminix | installed ibus-mozc | 18:47 |
jordila | i've just typed '$ sudo apt install docker' in my Ascii terminal. Ok. Yet, if i '$ docker ... i'm getting a 'bash: docker: command not found' , what am i missing ? | 19:03 |
gnarface | not in user's path? | 19:06 |
jordila | well, ... if i 'sudo find -name docker' i get no results . ¿? | 19:07 |
gnarface | you mean "sudo find / -iname '*docker*'" ? | 19:08 |
fsmithred | you're sure you're not in beowulf? | 19:08 |
gnarface | or maybe "dpkg -L docker" | 19:08 |
jordila | fsmithred , i'm sure i'm in Ascii . | 19:10 |
gnarface | i've also seen instances where sometimes it just seems like binaries in the PATH are cached and it doesn't update immediately | 19:10 |
gnarface | maybe try to run "sync" or something i dunno | 19:10 |
gnarface | or just use the full path to it like /usr/bin/docker or whatever it is | 19:11 |
gnarface | maybe it is in sbin | 19:11 |
gnarface | ? | 19:11 |
gnarface | dpkg -L should tell you | 19:11 |
fsmithred | did you install it yet? | 19:12 |
gnarface | me? i never installed it | 19:12 |
fsmithred | jordila | 19:12 |
fsmithred | first command listed is to install docker | 19:13 |
fsmithred | sudo apt install docker | 19:14 |
fsmithred | why does bash think that docker is the command? | 19:14 |
fsmithred | oh, I get it | 19:15 |
fsmithred | according to apt-file, the executable in the docker package is /usr/bin/wmdocker | 19:16 |
fsmithred | need coffee | 19:17 |
* jordila likes coffee ... but prefers mate | 19:18 | |
jordila | 'dpkg -L ... : https://paste.debian.net/1092461/ | 19:18 |
* jordila is re-installing docker | 19:19 | |
jordila | Umh... nothing changes . | 19:20 |
jordila | May i try to install it from debian's package on Docker.com repositories ? | 19:26 |
fsmithred | first, try 'apt-cache show docker' | 19:29 |
jordila | fsmithred : sure... by issuing 'show' i get : 'Package: docker | 19:33 |
jordila | Version: 1.5-1+b1 | 19:33 |
jordila | Priority: optional | 19:33 |
jordila | ' | 19:33 |
fsmithred | Description-en: System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications | 19:36 |
fsmithred | is that what you want? | 19:36 |
Wonka | damn | 19:43 |
Wonka | he was maybe looking for the "docker.io" package... | 19:43 |
fsmithred | is that the container thing? | 19:44 |
Wonka | looks like | 19:44 |
Wonka | not exactly a very verbose package description though | 19:44 |
Wonka | https://packages.debian.org/sid/docker.io | 19:45 |
Akuli | yeah that's the container thing | 19:50 |
fsmithred | https://github.com/dyne/docker-devuan-builds | 19:55 |
jordila | i'm looking for being able to issue '$ docker ... ' commands, like the ones described in the url you just shared. Yet, it seems that i cannot... as long as 'sudo apt install docker' says 'docker is already the newest version (1.5-1+b1)... but it's not, really. I'm confused. What am i missing ? | 20:04 |
* jordila is wondering 'may i fill in a potential issue/bug ' ? | 20:09 | |
jordila | ok... i succeeded in installing docker via official deb package at docker.com . Now, when i run docker, i'm getting error message : 'docker: Cannot connect to the Docker daemon at unix:///var/run/docker.sock. Is the docker daemon running?.' | 20:36 |
buZz | jordila: huh | 20:53 |
buZz | docker is in apt, why are you downloading it from a website? | 20:53 |
buZz | just apt install docker | 20:53 |
buZz | will get you a functional docker | 20:53 |
jordila | it didn't worked, buZz , that's why . | 20:53 |
buZz | why not? | 20:56 |
buZz | exact same error? | 20:56 |
buZz | oh lol, nevermind :D | 20:57 |
buZz | docker/stable 1.5-1+b1 amd64 | 20:57 |
buZz | System tray for KDE3/GNOME2 docklet applications | 20:57 |
buZz | what a name ;) | 20:57 |
buZz | ah, the package is called 'docker.io' | 20:58 |
* jordila got docker working , finally | 22:21 | |
moiree | IIRC which used to print the path of the command given as a parameter. | 23:29 |
moiree | Now it does not anymore unless I type "which -a commandname". | 23:32 |
moiree | Maybe I simply missed the memo. | 23:32 |
fsmithred | moiree, maybe the command is not in you path? | 23:40 |
moiree | It is a user error: <https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=293879#53> | 23:41 |
drawkula | sweet | 23:45 |
moiree | I will alias "which" to "whereis -b". | 23:52 |
* golinux waves at helios21 | 23:54 |
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