libera/#devuan/ Wednesday, 2019-07-10

fsmithredstiltr, James1138: it doesn't seem like aptitude can do it, either. I think the problem is that our metapackages are not ready.01:05
James1138That is okay with me. I can wait.01:05
fsmithreda simple window manager install or even a desktop that was installed in parts would work a lot better. I've done it with refracta, which was installed in parts.01:06
fsmithredand uses elogind.01:06
fsmithredI noticed that there's no consolekit in beowulf right now.01:06
stiltrOh ok. So the dependencies of the meta aren't there?01:07
fsmithredyeah01:07
stiltrI don't remember much about the release workflow... Are the packages actually missing in beowulf or just broken / wrong versions?01:10
fsmithredeither/both01:10
fsmithredconsolekit is missing. The backends for it are there.01:10
fsmithredconsolekit is in ceres01:11
fsmithredI'm not sure what version of task-kde-desktop I have right now, but I'm pretty sure it's not right.01:11
fsmithredstill waiting for the fourth 'aptitude full-upgrade' to finish.01:13
stiltrWhy would it be in ascii and ceres, but not beowulf?01:17
fsmithrednewer versions go into ceres and then migrate down01:20
fsmithredso an older version migrated from ceres to ascii over a year ago01:21
fsmithredand nothing has gone into beowulf yet01:21
stiltrAh, I guess I'd assumed that beowulf would start with whatever ascii had.01:23
nminixhi there all. I accidentally clicked "terminate playback" on one of the entries in Volume Control, and now i have no sound :( not sure which entry it was01:58
nminixhave tried shutting down, reinstalling pulseaudio01:59
nminixit was muted :X thanks!02:07
gmcastilso just noticed that the devuan ascii live USB hangs indefinitely if it is unable to mount one of the filesystems of the host system04:45
gnarfacegmcastil: i'm not sure what's causing that, but if it even hangs when you issue the mount command manually in a terminal window it could be a sign of hardware failure, and not necessarily a devuan specific issue (or even a new one for linux)04:48
gmcastilthe machine dual boots with windows 7 and i suspect something has corrupted the filesystem04:49
gmcastilfsck says it was not cleanly unmounted04:51
gnarfacealso sounds plausible04:51
gnarfaceext4?04:51
gmcastilyes04:51
gnarfacejust using too old of a version of the filesystem tools is known to corrupt ext4 silently and irreversibly04:53
gnarfaceit isn't apparent right away... the filesystem slowly unravels itself over the course of the following minutes to days (depending on usage)04:53
furrywolfspeaking of which, the ascii installer's "mount" can't do ext4 unless you specify -t ext4.  which is surely a bug.  but, given as beowulf should be ready real soon now...04:54
gnarfacehmm.  the "mount" in the ascii installer, wouldn't that be part of busybox shell?04:56
gmcastilyes04:56
gnarfacei don't actually know whether that is expected behavior for busybox or not04:57
gmcastili get an (initramfs) as a prompt and an ash shell along with some business about busybox04:57
gmcastilit actually didnt hang - is just tried and failed to mount the fs a few hundred times and then dropped me to a shell prompt04:57
furrywolfI think it's part of why it can't find firmware.  one of the many issues with why it can't find firmware.  of course, it doesn't find firmware with other filesystems either...04:58
gmcastilso fsck.ext4 /dev/my_root_fs fixed a bunch of problems and it booted this time04:58
gmcastili somehow seemed to have missed the networking setup step in the installer05:01
gnarfaceit's not important, you can set it up by hand05:17
gnarfacei think it skips networking if it can't find a network device05:18
gnarfacefurrywolf: you sure you loaded the filesystem modules before you tried whatever you tried?  that might be a cause for needing "-t ext4"05:19
gnarfacefurrywolf: i think it only auto select from currently-loaded modules.  i don't think it looks to autoload them.05:19
furrywolfI didn't try loading any modules.05:24
gmcastil77ok, so windows is corrupting the root partition each time it boots and that's why i was getting an inability to mount it06:07
gmcastil77i fixed it with fsck.ext4 and rebooted to windows and then back to linux and it did it again06:08
furrywolfdo you have the partition type mis-set to something windows thinks it can use?06:10
FatPhilHmmm, I've just ssh'ed in as root and xauth'ed myself onto g/f's X session. Just started a tmux session too. How can I pop up an xterm on her screen such that it automatically attaches to my tmux session?11:30
FatPhilAh - xterm -e /bin/sh -c tmux attach11:34
FunkyBobis ther somewhere special I need to look for a beowulf netinst? or do I grab an ascii and update apt.sources ?11:39
omnioFunkyBob: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=283011:56
FunkyBobguess that's a yes to the latter... thanks12:01
FunkyBobI guess I'm too accustomed to debian12:01
FunkyBobam just installing ascii in a VM currently12:02
fsmithredFunkyBob, I recommend you only install standard system utilities and then install additional stuff after the upgrade. If you want a desktop, better to install the individual parts rather than the task- packages.12:13
FunkyBobfsmithred: that was my plan, yes... thanks. :)12:14
FatPhilIn search of recommendations for a console-based newsreader. GNUS has stopped working for me, and I'm bored of fighting it.15:34
gnarfacei think there is one in emacs15:35
FatPhilthat's GNUS15:36
gnarfaceoh, sorry15:37
FatPhilHmmm, I just did the dumbest thing to fix the problem - and it worked!15:37
gnarfaceheh, cool15:38
FatPhilIt was complaining about a missing directory within its config area, which of course it has write access to.15:38
FatPhilStupidly, I presumed that if creating the directory would fix the problem, then it would have just created the directory itself, so I didn't bother..15:39
FatPhilAlways try the dumb things before thinking.15:39
James1138https://www.tecmint.com/best-rss-feed-readers-for-linux/15:44
James1138I am using FeedBro from within the browser myself instead of a additional external newsreader.15:46
gnarfacedoesn't the mutt mail client also read news?15:46
gnarfacei don't use mutt, i could have dreamt that15:47
drawkulahttp://www.courier-mta.org/cone/ <<< I havent looked at it for years, so no comment...15:49
FatPhilI'd rather keep my smtp and nntp separate, and already use mutt for mail.15:52
gnarfaceoh i thought that would be the benefit15:53
gnarfaceone client for both15:53
FatPhilMaybe I'm weird - I'd want 2 clients to be running in parallel, I'd never want the mail reader to leave mail, and never want the news reader to leave news.15:54
FatPhiland wouldn't want notifications in one about something to do with the other. These are different things to me, I don't want them unified.15:54
FatPhilI've noticed some people seem to have phones that have merged SMSs, emails, and whatsapp, so that when I use one of the first 2 methods to message them, they always respond using the 3rd, which I don't have. Unification is a bug, not a feature.15:56
gnarfaceheh15:56
gnarfacealright15:56
drawkuladiversity makes a healty environment...15:57
FatPhilsee my root window16:00
FatPhiloops, wrong chan. why is it never the interesting things that go to the wrong window?!?16:00
lsjetFatPhil, I was looking for your root window.  :)16:06
nemoso... my attempt to symlink libcrypto.so.1.0.1 to 1.0.0 to get microsoft sql server client tools working under linux was clearly not an enormous success18:53
nemo/opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcrypto.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1)18:53
nemo/opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libssl.so.1.0.0: version `OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1)18:53
nemo(that's from the ldd of libmsodbcsql)18:53
nemoI was wondering if it is possible to install the actual 1.0.0 side by side with 1.0.118:53
nemohm. maybe it's as simple as apt install libssl1.0.0 or something18:54
* nemo tries18:54
nemono installation candidate. dammit.18:57
retakI cant find libcrypto.so.1.0.0 in any package. only libcrypto.so.1.0.2. but im sure you can set a symlink18:57
nemoretak: symlink was what caused the error above18:58
retaklibssl1.0.218:58
nemoclearly they are taking no chances with the crypto libs18:58
nemoretak: yeah. I have 1.0.2... tried symlinking to 1.0.0 which triggered a number of misleading errors that took me a while to track down18:58
retakit can be that much differenz between 1.0.0 and 1.0.218:58
retak*can't18:58
nemofinally occurred to me to ldd that mssql lib18:58
nemoretak: whether there is or isn't, unfortunately...18:58
nemoretak: the errors above are dumped by ldd - there must be some lib flag enforced18:59
nemohttps://stackoverflow.com/questions/32644157/forcing-a-binary-to-use-a-specific-newer-version-of-a-shared-library-so18:59
retakwhat is the error msg with symlink to 1.0.2 ?18:59
nemoah... gotta add "oldstable" to sources19:00
nemorlibcrypto.so.1.0.0: version OPENSSL_1.0.0' not found (required by /opt/microsoft/msodbcsql17/lib64/libmsodbcsql-17.3.so.1.1)19:00
retakah okay19:00
retaknow i understand19:01
nemohm. I wonder what that mirror is and if any old mirror can be used19:01
nemohttps://wiki.debian.org/DebianOldStable19:02
nemoow. stretch is the current oldstable19:02
nemoso gotta force jessie19:02
retakjet the new debian version is out19:06
retak*jep19:06
nemoretak: I just dpkg -i'd the libssl1.0.0  - I remembered I had to do same for another commercial product too19:15
nemokinda lame19:15
* enyc meows19:23
retakif it works. fine19:25

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