| eyalroz | I'm having trouble with NetworkManager on my new beowulf install. If I connect manually, it works, but NetworkManages says "WiFi unavailable - 802.11x supplicant failed". | 00:23 |
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| eyalroz | That didn't use to happen with my ASCII installation. | 00:23 |
| eyalroz | PS - for some reason, neither my wlan0 nor my eth0 interfaces appear in /etc/network/interfaces | 00:24 |
| eyalroz | Also, an unrelated beowulf issue: Chromium won't play Youtube videos. | 00:41 |
| eyalroz | https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/524317/chromium-wont-play-any-youtube-videos-firefox-plays-them | 00:41 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, chromium plays youtube here but I can't tell what plugins I have | 01:54 |
| ksx4system | long time no see | 03:02 |
| ksx4system | wazzup? | 03:02 |
| Xenguy | ksx4system: Herro | 03:16 |
| Xenguy | Not to be confused with hero | 03:17 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I tried disabling everything in "extensions", and that didn't help. | 10:03 |
| eyalroz | I also tried about:plugins, but that doesn't work. How do I check which plugins are enabled, and which are available? | 10:04 |
| eyalroz | I'm more of a Mozilla guy than a chromium guy. | 10:04 |
| TauronGuy | hi | 11:22 |
| TauronGuy | i was wondering if somoene can help me, i am at software selection phase during install, but I see no option for the cinnamon or KDE DE, only xfce, mate, lxde | 11:23 |
| KatolaZ | TauronGuy: you are probably using the CD install set? | 11:25 |
| TauronGuy | no dvd | 11:25 |
| TauronGuy | its the same for net install too | 11:26 |
| TauronGuy | maybe i can just chose mate and install it later | 11:26 |
| KatolaZ | are you sure you have scrolled through the list of options? (silly question) | 11:27 |
| TauronGuy | devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso | 11:27 |
| TauronGuy | no "scrolling" | 11:27 |
| TauronGuy | just 3 options | 11:27 |
| KatolaZ | TauronGuy: why are you installing jessie? | 11:27 |
| KatolaZ | ascii is out | 11:27 |
| KatolaZ | it's the current stable | 11:28 |
| TauronGuy | oh lol | 11:28 |
| TauronGuy | i didn't know ascii sounds older lol | 11:28 |
| TauronGuy | i think I will do the net install | 11:29 |
| TauronGuy | with my net connection it is as fast as dvd | 11:29 |
| TauronGuy | hi | 11:29 |
| TauronGuy | so devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64 | 11:31 |
| KatolaZ | yes TauronGuy | 11:43 |
| TauronGuy | what made you chose devuan over other distros | 11:44 |
| furrymcgee | devuan is made by smart people | 11:49 |
| TauronGuy | an acceptable answer | 11:49 |
| TauronGuy | KatolaZ, the options showed up | 11:49 |
| drawkula | dabian made one mistake too much: systemd | 11:57 |
| TauronGuy | everyone made that mistake | 11:58 |
| TauronGuy | i was looking at gentoo, void and mx for this | 11:58 |
| drawkula | i dont want rolling releases | 11:59 |
| drawkula | not practical... | 11:59 |
| surrounder | TauronGuy: MX is rather nice imho | 11:59 |
| drawkula | between releases I only want bugfuxes. no changing features | 11:59 |
| drawkula | apart from this void is really nice | 12:00 |
| drawkula | gentoo is a different story... | 12:00 |
| drawkula | to many knobs and switches... QA is near to impossible there | 12:00 |
| drawkula | too* | 12:00 |
| surrounder | found the void installer to be somewhat flaky when I tried it in a vm a little while back | 12:00 |
| TauronGuy | yeah gentoo...make me contemplate throwing my computer out the window | 12:01 |
| TauronGuy | does parabola use systemd? | 12:01 |
| TauronGuy | i mean won't there be a point where nothign will run without systemd | 12:02 |
| surrounder | there's always the BSDs to fall back on | 12:02 |
| drawkula | !!! | 12:02 |
| infobot | in #devuan the exclamation mark ("!"), when put as first char in a line, is the infobot attention char (a shorthand for "infobot: ..." highlight). This is on special request, in most other channels the bot uses tilde ("~") as attention char, and you'll find factoids referring to that like "also see ~<factoid>" | 12:02 |
| drawkula | :-Þ | 12:02 |
| TauronGuy | or windows | 12:03 |
| * TauronGuy hides | 12:03 | |
| drawkula | nah! | 12:03 |
| TauronGuy | i was sad arch uses systemd | 12:04 |
| TauronGuy | i really like arch | 12:04 |
| drawkula | I just trashed a lot of VMs and left the IRC channels of those OSes... | 12:04 |
| drawkula | haiku-os is nice... but far from multiuser... | 12:04 |
| surrounder | great project | 12:04 |
| surrounder | used to love R5 back in the day | 12:04 |
| surrounder | never felt such a responsive OS | 12:04 |
| drawkula | I dropped it some days ago. too many other things on my to do list | 12:05 |
| TauronGuy | I think parabola doesn't use systemd | 12:06 |
| TauronGuy | i love libre software but, its very inconvenient | 12:06 |
| drawkula | I'll have an eye on debian, raspian despite systemd because some ppl around me expect that I know them but my main linuxes will be openwrt and devuan | 12:07 |
| drawkula | and if all else fails... back to BSD | 12:07 |
| drawkula | but i dont like ports based systems | 12:08 |
| TauronGuy | well still a lot of anti-systemd distros | 12:08 |
| TauronGuy | puppy, slack, lfs | 12:08 |
| surrounder | use mainly debian on my dayjob ( besides a few centos boxes) and on my laptop I currently run MX, desktop will run MX too, homeserver haven't decided yet; or devuan or a BSD | 12:08 |
| TauronGuy | i am curious why don't you like systemd drawkula | 12:09 |
| drawkula | unneccesarily complex ==> intransparent | 12:10 |
| drawkula | ununixoid | 12:10 |
| drawkula | buggy as hell because even pöttering lost overview | 12:11 |
| drawkula | :-Þ | 12:11 |
| drawkula | good old inits always were good enough | 12:11 |
| drawkula | there was no need for a change | 12:11 |
| drawkula | except for an oversized ego of 1 person | 12:12 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, when I go to about:plugins in chromium it redirects me to chrome://plugins and then tells me that the website is either down temporarily or has been permanently moved. | 12:20 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: : Me too... | 12:21 |
| eyalroz | In Firefox, though, this URI does work, and the page tells me | 12:22 |
| eyalroz | that I have a Shockwave Flash plugin at /usr/lib/browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash/libfreshwrapper-flashplayer.so | 12:22 |
| gnarface | suspicious | 12:23 |
| fsmithred | is flash still a thing? | 12:24 |
| fsmithred | I have nothing 'flash' installed | 12:24 |
| gnarface | it's been a long time since i've had it enabled but i don't remember ever seeing it called freshplayer or pepperflash before | 12:25 |
| fsmithred | pepperflash is the flash plugin for chromium | 12:25 |
| gnarface | why would he be seeing that in firefox? | 12:26 |
| fsmithred | good question | 12:26 |
| fsmithred | ff wants to be chrome so badly... | 12:26 |
| gnarface | either way, it should probably be disabled for safety | 12:26 |
| gnarface | nothing good can come of flash | 12:26 |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure i've been saying that for almost 20 years now | 12:27 |
| TauronGuy | i refuse to go to sites with flash | 12:27 |
| fsmithred | lol, probably | 12:27 |
| gnarface | there aren't really a lot left that actually require it still, are there? | 12:28 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: is flash still a thing? <- A bit | 12:29 |
| eyalroz | I also wasn't aware of this "pepperflash" thing | 12:29 |
| eyalroz | but apparently that's a package in Buster | 12:29 |
| gnarface | maybe it's a bug that firefox is loading it in the first place | 12:30 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: I installed it, to try and address my chromium issue | 12:30 |
| eyalroz | Package names: browser-plugin-freshplayer-pepperflash pepperflashplugin-nonfree | 12:30 |
| eyalroz | TauronGuy: I'm not arguing in favor of flash | 12:30 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I could remove it and see what happens | 12:31 |
| fsmithred | ok, since v. 57 the only remaining plugin is flash | 12:31 |
| TauronGuy | I didn't think you were :P | 12:31 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: There's also an OpenH264 video codec plugin | 12:35 |
| fsmithred | for ff or chrom? | 12:35 |
| eyalroz | For FF | 12:35 |
| eyalroz | For chromium I still don't know how to list the installed plugins | 12:35 |
| fsmithred | ok, I've seen that before | 12:35 |
| fsmithred | you can't | 12:35 |
| fsmithred | not like you can in ff | 12:36 |
| fsmithred | I did get there, but all you can do is turn flash on or off | 12:36 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: the cisco one? disable that too | 12:36 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: on linux, disable it | 12:36 |
| fsmithred | search for 'plugins' and you'll get a google search with the answer | 12:36 |
| fsmithred | I did this on another box, so I can't just copy/paste it | 12:37 |
| fsmithred | also I closed chromium because all the popup ads were bothering me | 12:37 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: 1. How do I disable it? 2. Why should I disable it, if it's not disabled by default? | 12:39 |
| gnarface | how in chromium, or firefox? | 12:41 |
| gnarface | why, because i think the native libraries are fuller featured and it's only included for compatibility ... | 12:41 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Searched. It says chrome://plugins has been deprecated and that I should look at chrome://components/ . I have, and that doesn't mention flash. | 12:41 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: Firefox. I don't know that I have that in chromium | 12:41 |
| gnarface | eyalroz: tools->add ons->plugins | 12:43 |
| gnarface | add-ons | 12:43 |
| gnarface | it should work either way but i recall some problem being associated with that cisco one | 12:44 |
| gnarface | missing surround-sound support or something like that | 12:44 |
| eyalroz | So, I guess maybe this _isn't_ a flash issue after all. Which leaves us with the original problem: Youtube videos won't show | 12:45 |
| eyalroz | Oh, I forgot to mention an important fact... | 12:45 |
| fsmithred | chrome://settings/content | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | then you'll see the flash setting | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | (singular) | 12:46 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: It says "Ask First". | 12:46 |
| eyalroz | no blocks or allows | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | yeah, lots of choices there | 12:46 |
| fsmithred | I would remove the pepperflash package unless you're absolutely sure you need it | 12:47 |
| eyalroz | So, the important fact I forgot: The pre-video ad, which itself is a video, _does_ display. | 12:47 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Ok, doing that now. | 12:47 |
| fsmithred | lol, ads work, of course | 12:47 |
| TauronGuy | ads always work | 12:48 |
| fsmithred | youtube is all popup messages now | 12:49 |
| fsmithred | I'm not logged in, do I want to check out their new music service, and another one keep bothering me | 12:50 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: I don't get any pop-ups | 12:50 |
| fsmithred | oh yeah, the last one asks about how youtube is working for me | 12:50 |
| eyalroz | Anyway, removed the "pepper" packages | 12:51 |
| eyalroz | No change in behavior. | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | but no place to write in "too many fucking popups" | 12:51 |
| eyalroz | Ad video plays, main video stuck with loading-circle | 12:51 |
| fsmithred | you got a javascript blocker? | 12:51 |
| TauronGuy | in youtube? | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | in chromium | 12:52 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what they use | 12:52 |
| gnarface | libx264? | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | I can never find anything in chromium and don't understand it | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | I have two of those - -148 and -155 | 12:53 |
| fsmithred | looks like 148 comes with firefox and 155 comes with mplayer | 12:55 |
| gnarface | if the ad video plays though... | 12:56 |
| fsmithred | maybe someone else is blocking some content or source of content? | 12:56 |
| gnarface | yea, would suggest it's not a library issue | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, are you in a repressive country? | 12:57 |
| fsmithred | or have a repressive ISP? | 12:57 |
| gnarface | i would at least make sure to try a couple different videos | 12:59 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, if you want to give me the link, I'll try the same video | 13:04 |
| fsmithred | brb | 13:05 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: It's literally any Youtube video | 13:20 |
| eyalroz | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MijmeoH9LT4 | 13:20 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Represiveness... not so much, unless you're an Arab | 13:21 |
| eyalroz | I'm in Israel | 13:21 |
| eyalroz | and like I said | 13:21 |
| eyalroz | the videos work fine in Palestine | 13:22 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: And I've disabled/removed all of my blocking extensions. | 13:22 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: But again, if the videos work via Firefox, this isn't government censorship. Also, everything worked while I was on ASCII. | 13:33 |
| gnarface | there's no guarantee it's not a problem with the site's javascript, is there? | 13:37 |
| gnarface | seems weird though, i'd expect it to work... | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | that video works here | 13:41 |
| fsmithred | you've done an upgrade recently? I'm using 73.0.3683.75-1 | 13:43 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: Yes, I clean installed ASCII and dist-upgraded | 13:51 |
| eyalroz | a couple of days back | 13:51 |
| eyalroz | and then it happened. | 13:51 |
| jordila | Gitlab seems to be a Ruby on Rails app pretty coupled to systemd, AFAIK. Ummh... i'm thinking about devuanizing such a (on debian's) Gitlab instance. ... by chance, does it makes sense or am i completely crazy ? | 13:59 |
| eyalroz | gnarface: no guarantee, but - | 14:02 |
| eyalroz | do you really believe Youtube gets the JS wrong for what is basically their own browser? | 14:02 |
| cocoadaemon | jordila, have you checked gitea first ? | 14:03 |
| cocoadaemon | does the same as gitlab for 90% of the features, is a simple 60MB executable | 14:03 |
| cocoadaemon | if you're thinking about deploying a simple instance ( and not a 100K users one like gitlab) it seems preferable | 14:04 |
| jordila | ah gitea... yeah, i know i will migrato to, one day ... but not now. cocoademon ... it's a running Gitlab, full of code... i need to focus into now. | 14:04 |
| cocoadaemon | ah, an already running instance is another business alright | 14:04 |
| jordila | sure | 14:05 |
| cocoadaemon | but I can assure you I've ran gitlab on sysvinit with no troubles | 14:05 |
| jordila | ah, nice to know | 14:06 |
| jordila | nowadays ? | 14:06 |
| fsmithred | jordila, we use gitlab for devuan, and I'm pretty sure we're running it without systemd | 14:12 |
| jordila | ah | 14:12 |
| fsmithred | also, we're moving everything over to gitea | 14:12 |
| cocoadaemon | well, for devuan, I could understand why you'd use gitlab : advanced packaging and CI/CD | 14:16 |
| cocoadaemon | and yes jordila, in current production. All the processes are complex, but they don't use anything like DBUS to collaborate, it's all network based | 14:17 |
| mbuf | Where can I find the latest Devuan 2.0.0 for Asus Chromebook C201? I cannot see it in https://files.roundr.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/embedded/. The earlier file I have is devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_chromeveyron.img | 15:56 |
| gnarface | there was some reason it's not there | 16:04 |
| gnarface | build issue or something | 16:04 |
| drawkula | backup and then try an upgrade? | 16:06 |
| mbuf | drawkula, I do not have any data, and I am booting from USB | 16:09 |
| mbuf | drawkula, so I can do a fresh dd on the USB to boot from | 16:09 |
| drawkula | ok | 16:09 |
| mbuf | drawkula, you want me to just do "apt-get upgrade"? | 16:09 |
| drawkula | after changing sources.list from jessie to ascii... | 16:11 |
| mbuf | drawkula, okay | 16:11 |
| drawkula | probably the forum has some threads about that upgrade | 16:11 |
| mbuf | drawkula, will try; thanks! | 16:11 |
| drawkula | apt-get dist-upgrade | 16:12 |
| drawkula | apart from time there is nothing to lose if it is a new card/flashstick | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | does the chromebook image have an installer? | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | I thought all the arm images were just disk images | 16:14 |
| drawkula | I only know raspi and cubietruck images... and they dont come with installer | 16:16 |
| drawkula | the other ones probably are similar | 16:16 |
| drawkula | my cubies run debian9 "transgraded" to devuan | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there's a common set of instructions for installing | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | dd the raw image to a medium of your choice (little less than 2GB): | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | ; xzcat devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_sunxi.img.xz | sudo dd of=/dev/mmcblk0 bs=2M | 16:17 |
| drawkula | those went thru debians installer | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | mbuf, I think you're supposed to dd the image right to the sdcard | 16:18 |
| mbuf | fsmithred, yes, I know that | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | ok, sounded like you were expecting an installer | 16:19 |
| fsmithred | I'm speaking from zero experience with arm or chromebooks here | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | you can image a usb and boot the chromebook? If so, I'll try this next time I'm near one. | 16:20 |
| mbuf | fsmithred, yes you can image a USB | 16:20 |
| fsmithred | is there a keyboard trick to boot from usb? | 16:21 |
| mbuf | fsmithred, Control + u | 16:26 |
| fsmithred | thanks. Will boot my sister's chromebook to devuan next time I visit her. | 16:31 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: So, I'm guessing you're stumped about the Chromium videos issue? :-( | 18:30 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, yeah, I'm stumped. My install is a refracta ascii that I upgraded to beowulf a couple months ago. Last dist-upgrade was yesterday or day before. I installed chromium after the initial dist-upgrade. | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | I have mpv and mplayer installed. Also gstreamer1.0-plugins-base and -good | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | eyalroz, maybe this is a crazy idea, but try changing your dns | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | or get the video with youtube-dl: https://github.com/ytdl-org/youtube-dl | 20:10 |
| onefang | I think youtube-dl is in our packages repo. | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | that one no longer works | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | get the latest from git | 20:14 |
| fsmithred | it's simple: download one file and make it executable | 20:15 |
| eyalroz | fsmithred: youtube-dl download videos fine. | 23:41 |
| eyalroz | but this is unsurprising, since we've established that FF can get them. | 23:41 |
| eyalroz | Why do you think the DNS would have any effect? Also, what do you suggest I change my DNS server to? | 23:46 |
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