| cehteh | mhm migrating from debian/buster to devuan/beowulf complains that it cant update from the devuan repository because of missing pubkey | 00:17 |
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| cehteh | apt-get update already, thus i cant install the keyring as done with jessie->ascii | 00:18 |
| gnarface | you can just suppress the error or you can use apt-key to install the key manually | 00:21 |
| gnarface | (i assume) | 00:21 |
| cehteh | dunno how to supress the error apt-get update --allow-unauthenticated does not | 00:22 |
| cehteh | but i import the key manually, still should be documented somehow | 00:22 |
| cehteh | http://paste.debian.net/1082723/ << worked fyi | 00:25 |
| cehteh | lolz .... | 00:26 |
| cehteh | 5 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 7 to remove and 0 not upgraded. | 00:26 |
| cehteh | Need to get 837 kB of archives. | 00:26 |
| cehteh | .. not much | 00:26 |
| cehteh | ok but failed :/ | 00:30 |
| bleb | how do you run a command on wakeup in devuan | 01:28 |
| bleb | void has /etc/zzz.d/resume | 01:31 |
| gnarface | i don't think you should have to run it manually, but i think it would be a script associated with acpid | 01:36 |
| gnarface | oh, i misread you bleb | 01:37 |
| gnarface | look in /etc/pm/ | 01:37 |
| gnarface | i think it runs scripts you place in there | 01:37 |
| bleb | hm i tried making one but no luck | 01:42 |
| bleb | not sure where this pm stuff is documented | 01:42 |
| fsmithred | man pm-suspend has some pretty specific rules for hook scripts | 01:58 |
| bleb | i read that paragraph and see no issues with what ive done | 02:02 |
| bleb | but it does say that there should be a /var/log/pm-suspend.log file, and there is not | 02:03 |
| bleb | only /var/log/pm-powersave.log | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | I've never had to mess with that | 02:03 |
| fsmithred | it suspends, it wakes up | 02:04 |
| bleb | ah it works if i user pm-suspend and resume by hitting the power button | 02:05 |
| bleb | but not if i close/open my laptop lid | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I have to hit the power button on my toshiba if I close the lid and leave it for a long time | 02:06 |
| fsmithred | and it comes right up (wakes up, not boot up) | 02:06 |
| bleb | my x201 sleeps and wakes up on close/open | 02:07 |
| bleb | but its not running the resume hook | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | and I have a dell that does not sleep unless I use the command | 02:07 |
| bleb | i guess it's not actually doing a pm-suspend but somehow it knows to turn off the screen and turn on the sleep indicator light | 02:08 |
| fsmithred | are there settings for that in the bios? | 02:08 |
| bleb | not sure what i'd look for | 02:09 |
| bleb | fwiw i know the sleep/wake on lid up/down is OS dependent | 02:09 |
| bleb | because systemd OS's fail at least ootb | 02:09 |
| bleb | so some part of devuan is detecting the lid shut and deciding to go to sleep but not pm-suspend | 02:10 |
| bleb | well the defaults in logind.conf say HandleLidSwitch=suspend | 02:12 |
| bleb | but i guess that doesn't necessarily mean pm-suspend | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, there's probably a consolekit command for that | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | maybe other freedesktop commands | 02:13 |
| bleb | maybe i can get anacron to do it for me or something | 02:15 |
| bleb | but idk how anacron would run commands on lid open, its still just a program | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | there's an old discussion about this at dev1galaxy.org | 02:16 |
| bleb | link? | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=774 | 02:17 |
| fsmithred | time for food. bbiab | 02:17 |
| bleb | so maybe this is a limitation of sysvinit | 02:20 |
| gnarface | bleb: it is most likely something easily modifiable to work that simply has not been done for your particular laptop because the signal is different for every different model | 02:56 |
| bleb | gnarface: but devuan is detecting lid events just fine | 02:57 |
| bleb | im just trying to run an additional command when the lid comes up | 02:57 |
| gnarface | in the old days, earlier laptops had vendor-specific packages you could install to add such hooks, but support has kinda fallen by the wayside for more recent laptops as the proliferation of hardware multiplies | 02:57 |
| bleb | well this is an x201 | 02:58 |
| bleb | i.e. not a recent laptop | 02:58 |
| gnarface | bleb: and no, you don't know that it's detecting lid events just fine. if all that happens is the backlight on the screen turns off, that could be a hardware feature entirely independent of the software. it could just be physically wired to the lid switch | 02:58 |
| bleb | i know that its detected in software because ubuntu fails to properly wake up while devuan succeeds | 02:58 |
| gnarface | (lack of standardization on implementations of these types of features probably contributes to the lack of support) | 02:59 |
| gnarface | bleb: "apt-cache search laptop" | 03:01 |
| gnarface | see if there's any packages that come up that might help you | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | or search thinkpad | 03:01 |
| fsmithred | tpb | 03:02 |
| gnarface | they might have removed the thinkpad-extras package | 03:02 |
| gnarface | i can't find it | 03:02 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I don't see that one | 03:02 |
| gnarface | it did used to be there | 03:02 |
| fsmithred | there's thinkfan | 03:02 |
| gnarface | hmm. i thought it was, maybe i'm thinking of a toshiba package... | 03:03 |
| fsmithred | toshset | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | damn, I never thought to look for that | 03:04 |
| fsmithred | but then, access to keys won't help, 'cause it doesn't have a keyboard | 03:04 |
| gnarface | maybe it's all in laptop-mode-tools now? | 03:05 |
| gnarface | oh hey, there's a task for that | 03:09 |
| gnarface | bleb: try installing task-laptop | 03:09 |
| gnarface | my guess is that, worst case scenario, some hook script is missing or needs a trivial edit, but there's a good chance it's in a package still somewhere | 03:10 |
| bleb | what hook script would i want? | 03:11 |
| gnarface | i'm sure you'll know it when you find it | 03:11 |
| gnarface | try installing task-laptop and see what it pulls in, then check those packages for scripts | 03:11 |
| bleb | ah it was already installed by default | 03:12 |
| gnarface | hmmm. | 03:12 |
| fsmithred | how did you install? | 03:12 |
| gnarface | how about laptop-mode-tools, was it also installed? | 03:12 |
| bleb | fsmithred: netinst usb stick | 03:12 |
| bleb | laptop-mode-tools isnt installed yet | 03:13 |
| fsmithred | live or installer iso? | 03:13 |
| bleb | installer | 03:13 |
| bleb | hm laptop-mode-tools wants to install a bunch of graphical crap | 03:14 |
| bleb | i dont think thats what i need | 03:14 |
| gnarface | it might be, because my quick google search on how to fix this in ubuntu shows you setting it in a gui menu... | 03:14 |
| gnarface | it also says to make sure pm-utils is installed | 03:14 |
| bleb | yeah it is | 03:15 |
| bleb | gnarface: the ubuntu solution is for pre-systemd days/ | 03:15 |
| bleb | ? | 03:15 |
| gnarface | had you made changes to logind.conf ? | 03:15 |
| bleb | no | 03:15 |
| gnarface | do you have a logind.conf? | 03:16 |
| bleb | yeah but its just the default with everything commented out | 03:16 |
| gnarface | https://itsfoss.com/ubuntu-close-lid-suspend/ | 03:16 |
| gnarface | check out the specific 3 lines he says to change here | 03:16 |
| gnarface | i don't think it's systemd specific, because of the range of ubuntu versions he mentions, but it's not clear to me if it's gnome specific... | 03:17 |
| gnarface | it might be one of those things gnome provides a gui for, but could still work with elogind if you change this file manually | 03:19 |
| bleb | it looks like the only thing he changes is HandleLidSwitchDocked=suspend | 03:20 |
| bleb | tried that and restarted elogind, no luck | 03:20 |
| gnarface | i also see HandleLidSwitch=suspend | 03:20 |
| gnarface | and HandleSuspendKey=suspend | 03:20 |
| bleb | but those are already the defaults | 03:21 |
| gnarface | are they commented? | 03:21 |
| bleb | yeah | 03:22 |
| bleb | and it says "Entries in this file show the compile time defaults." | 03:22 |
| gnarface | try just uncommenting them anyway, even if they're supposed to be the default | 03:22 |
| bleb | yeah i did, still doesnt help | 03:22 |
| gnarface | but i guess maybe that could mean this is the wrong approach | 03:22 |
| bleb | maybe i need to reboot | 03:22 |
| gnarface | well, try it | 03:22 |
| gnarface | but you might need to find an older solutino | 03:22 |
| gnarface | solution* | 03:23 |
| gnarface | something tied more directly to acpid or something | 03:23 |
| bleb | hmm | 03:23 |
| bleb | yeah rebooting did not help | 03:24 |
| gnarface | hmm. they seem to have really tried hard to absorb this functionality into systemd and then scrub their wiki of all evidence of the prior implementation... | 03:26 |
| gnarface | sorry, everything i'm finding is stuff we've already tried | 03:27 |
| gnarface | options i915 i915_enable_rc6=7 i915_enable_fbc=1 lvds_downclock=1 | 03:27 |
| gnarface | though i did find this set of recommended module options to save power on the GPU while it's suspended | 03:28 |
| gnarface | it won't fix your problem | 03:28 |
| bleb | maybe we can crib from void's /etc/zzz.d | 03:28 |
| bleb | however runit handles it | 03:28 |
| gnarface | maybe | 03:28 |
| gnarface | though one would think this was in debian wheezy too | 03:28 |
| gnarface | bleb: i dunno if it'll help, but i notice that there are some additional docs and howtos in /usr/share/doc/pm-utils | 03:38 |
| gnarface | they might constitute the missing documentation for this | 03:39 |
| gnarface | looks like it goes into detail of how /etc/pm/* is handled | 03:40 |
| gnarface | bleb: sorry i can't help you more specifically. lemme know what you find out though | 03:47 |
| sleon | hello everyone! I am currently on ascii! I am looking for devuan package for nvidia driver >=410. Do we have it? Are there any reposiories, which provide it? | 10:41 |
| Evilham | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=nvidia-driver&release=ascii | 10:45 |
| Evilham | sleon: ^^^^^ | 10:45 |
| sleon | Evilham: thank you! | 10:47 |
| sleon | Evilham: I have added ascii-backports to the sources.list but the downloaded lists (after apt-get update) do not contain the package which were found on the page. Is this an issue with outdated mirror? | 11:15 |
| sleon | deb http://packages.devuan.org/devuan ascii-backports main non-free contrib <-- this is what I have used. After apt-get update; apt-cache showpkg nvidia-driver shows 390 and 384 as available versions. I am on amd64 system | 11:17 |
| fsmithred | sleon, change packages.devuan.org to deb.devuan.org and you'll see 418 | 11:29 |
| sleon | fsmithred: cool! is this the main mirror? | 11:30 |
| KatolaZ_ | sleon: since more than 1.5 years ago | 11:31 |
| sleon | thx, my knowledge is a bit outdated :D | 11:31 |
| KatolaZ | np | 11:31 |
| KatolaZ | all our knowledge is outdated ;) | 11:32 |
| sleon | :) | 11:32 |
| sleon | hmm, what does nvidia-driver 418.56-2~bpo9+1 [non-free/x11 - optional] | 11:50 |
| sleon | [Origin: Debian - ascii-backports - non-free] | 11:50 |
| sleon | does it mean that the package should be downloaded from debian repository? | 11:50 |
| sleon | after changing to deb.devuan.org i am still not getting nvidia-driver in the version 418 :/ | 11:50 |
| debdog | prolly means you have to add "backports" to your sources list and enable "non-free" for it | 11:51 |
| debdog | hmm, just don't ask me how | 11:53 |
| debdog | maybe "deb http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main non-free | 11:56 |
| Evilham | sleon: listen to debdog here :-D I was just typing that | 11:56 |
| KatolaZ | sleon: the page on pkginfo tells you if the package has been modified by Devuan or not | 12:06 |
| KatolaZ | packages forked by Devuan have "Origin: Devuan" | 12:06 |
| KatolaZ | sleon: you need to use only devuan repos | 12:06 |
| sleon | thx guys | 12:29 |
| sleon | trying out | 12:29 |
| sleon | yes! worked | 12:29 |
| jaromil | first interview published after our conference! https://twitter.com/DevuanOrg/status/1131589006993567744 | 17:54 |
| jaromil | it's time to blush for fsmithred :^D | 17:57 |
| KatolaZ | that's a good one fsmithred ;P | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, jaromil... what? | 19:53 |
| jiefk | Guys, I need your help again. My touchpad still does not work with kernel > 4.19.0.2 (amd64) | 19:55 |
| jiefk | I found on internet'z that adding "psmouse.synaptics_intertouch=0" on cmdline might solve this issue (that was in 2017, 4.11-4.13 area) | 19:56 |
| jiefk | and indeed, that worked, my touchpas is working now ! | 19:57 |
| jiefk | touchpad** . What is missing / has changed since 4.19.0.2 ? More generally, where do I report regression with random hardware ? | 19:59 |
| jiefk | (the solution to my problem is here : https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=1747894#p1747894 ) | 20:00 |
| unixman | WTF?! I upgrade to ascii and get pulseaudio back? Bleah! I thoght I had gotten rid of that mess. :( | 20:31 |
| furrywolf | it gets dragged in by a lot of crap | 20:32 |
| furrywolf | nothing seems to actually break if you remove it, though | 20:32 |
| furrywolf | fun fact: gimp, which has absolutely no concept of sound whatsoever, depends on libpulse. | 20:32 |
| furrywolf | because | 20:32 |
| furrywolf | because "dependencies gone mad" seems to be the current debian plan... | 20:32 |
| unixman | So, I can remove that. What are you using for sound, furrywolf? | 20:35 |
| furrywolf | alsa | 20:35 |
| unixman | Okay, thanks. That's what I had before, I think. Putting that back. | 20:36 |
| furrywolf | there's too many giant-monolithic-multifunction-blob-libraries, which depend on a zillion unrelated things for features that 99% of things depending on them will never use. | 20:36 |
| furrywolf | gimp drags in sdl which depends on pulse | 20:36 |
| furrywolf | libpulse | 20:37 |
| furrywolf | bbl | 20:37 |
| Wonka | furrywolf: well, Sound in Firefox and Chromium depends on pulseaudio nowadays :/ | 20:50 |
| KatolaZ | Wonka: you can use apulse | 20:56 |
| unixman | Wonka, I'm running "Chromium Version 73.0.3683.103 (Official Build) (64-bit)" on FreeBSD. I have sound and no pulseaudio. | 21:01 |
| furrywolf | Wonka: debian has been building firefox with --enable-alsa. | 21:02 |
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