| ashleyk_ | is there a metapackage that installs things like 'man', or do i just install man all by its lonesome... | 03:47 |
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| ashleyk_ | seems like i should be installing something even more useful | 03:47 |
| gnarface | info? | 03:52 |
| ashleyk_ | i installed that too, thanks... | 03:55 |
| gnarface | be sure to look in /usr/share/doc/[package name] for additional documentation, many packages have stuff in there too | 03:59 |
| gnarface | (stuff other than the licenses) | 03:59 |
| ashleyk_ | gnarface, right, i was just suprised it wasnt installed, like i missed something basic | 05:27 |
| Myst_is_back | is there a devuan version of a frenas or mediabox like systemD free | 06:27 |
| ashleyk_ | Myst_is_back, hola | 06:51 |
| ejr | hi. i am running ceres. for a while now when running dist-upgrade, apt wants to remove init and sysvinit-core with a big warning about whether i am sure i want to do that. I do not, obviously, since I do not know whether my system will still boot after that upgrade. is this risky upgrade intentional though? should i wait for a few weeks until the dist-upgrade might be less risky? | 10:00 |
| Evilham | ejr: you likely want to wait it a bit, what does apt upgrade say? | 11:00 |
| fsmithred | I need a reality check: If I have a directory that contains a few text files and a few deb packages, and I either zip it or tar it with compression (tried xz and gzip so far), the final compressed archive should be smaller than the source directory, shouldn't it? | 13:32 |
| fsmithred | why the fuck does it come out the same size? | 13:33 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Stuff that is already compressed will not be reduced in size. A text file is hardly noticeable and .debs are already "compressed" | 13:36 |
| Hurgotron | Try to compress them separately. - Only idea I have is that the compression algorithm notices already compressed stuff and switches off | 13:36 |
| Hurgotron | sixwheeledbeast: still should be a few bytes difference at least | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | yeah, in one attempt, the compressed archive was a few bytes bigger | 13:38 |
| fsmithred | oh, there are more debs than I thought | 13:39 |
| fsmithred | I can leave them out. Thanks. | 13:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | slightly larger is typical if you compress a file that cannot be compressed. | 13:40 |
| fsmithred | makes sense that there's a little overhead | 13:45 |
| gour | i changed my grub's desktop bg via grub-customizer app and due to incompatibilites of gnucash's ascii version - it should be at least 2.6.19 to be able to read 3.4/3.5 files, for some time i'm going to stay on ceres keeping notice of listbugs & listchanges output | 14:52 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I didn't know 2.6.x was backwards compatible with 3.x | 14:53 |
| gour | for now i've very nice desktop setup requiring just minor cosmetic changes - adding some plugin, tweaking panel items, re-arranging etc., but everything else is fully functioal, afaict...the only missing thing to is it resume/acquire some admin skills by taking advantage of debian/devuan tools | 14:53 |
| gour | sixwheeledbeast: i got reply on the user-list that 2.6.19 can read 3.x files | 14:54 |
| sixwheeledbeast | ok they would know better than me. i suppose 3 is running in parallel development | 14:55 |
| gour | ahh, forgot...there is one remaining issue - installing of wine | 16:55 |
| gour | both devuan (debian) and winehq pkgs seems to be broken for ceres... | 17:25 |
| ashleyk_ | gour, broken? | 17:25 |
| gour | ashleyk_: well, broken deps which are not possible to satisfy | 17:26 |
| ashleyk_ | hmm i always built wine from source | 17:26 |
| ashleyk_ | so i dont know anything! | 17:26 |
| gour | e.g. https://pastebin.com/qhYTcbeu | 17:27 |
| gour | heh, building from src would remind me on my old gentoo days :-) | 17:27 |
| ashleyk_ | hmm those errors dont seem that bad | 17:28 |
| gour | when i start to add to the list it gets worse | 17:29 |
| ashleyk_ | try | 17:29 |
| ashleyk_ | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade | 17:30 |
| ashleyk_ | i dont see why the uuid would be an issue...for one... | 17:30 |
| ashleyk_ | is it because you put :i386? i dont knmow... | 17:30 |
| ashleyk_ | could be | 17:30 |
| gour | otoh, i have several pkgs which not upgradeable, e.g. dash whose update would cause bunch of ther pkgs to be removed | 17:31 |
| ashleyk_ | oh well you are using beta distro... | 17:38 |
| ashleyk_ | release | 17:38 |
| gour | yeah, migrated from manjaro where i used higher version of some apps (e.g. gnucash) and the ascii versions are too low causing problems in reading newer data | 17:40 |
| gour | with the official release of buster/beowulf, i'll strongly consider to switch to stable 'branch' | 17:52 |
| gour | now, have no idea how to simply downgrade my data or whether using gnucash from beowulf on ascii would be a good idea? | 17:53 |
| gour | in any case, not having as much time as when I was heating the atmosphere by daily usage of gentoo, i'm leaning more and more towards 'stable' | 17:54 |
| ashleyk_ | @_@ | 17:56 |
| fsmithred | what package has version 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1??? | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | not libuuid1 or uuid-runtime | 18:14 |
| fsmithred | gour, libuuid1 recommends uuid-runtime so maybe try installing without recommends | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | apt-get --no-install-recommends install [packages] | 18:17 |
| gour | fsmithred: i arrive at this: https://pastebin.com/PsGDWmaV | 18:25 |
| gour | "gordian knot" | 18:25 |
| ashleyk_ | gourdian | 18:27 |
| gour | lastim time when running debian sid i had similar problem, but then i was able to resolve it with wine pkgs from winehq. now even those do not work and i have a need for a few apps running under wine | 18:27 |
| gour | :-) | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand where the 2.33.1-0.1+devuan1 - I can't find it | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | + ...is coming from | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | I can't see that version, and I have all repos enabled | 18:34 |
| gour | hmm | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | if you run 'apt-cache policy libuuid1' (or libblkid1) can you see that version? | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | it would be the devuanized version of 2.33.1-0.1 which is in buster/sid | 18:36 |
| ashleyk_ | why not do a clean install of something stable | 18:37 |
| gour | https://pastebin.com/aYKyE5gB | 18:37 |
| ashleyk_ | instead of running on a system you fubared | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | OH! it's only i386 that has that version | 18:37 |
| gour | ashleyk_: do you think something is wrong with my ceres or in general? | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | apt-cache policy libuuid1:i386 shows the version in question | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | ...in general | 18:38 |
| ashleyk_ | gour, its for developers | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | ceres is not really ready | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | not even close | 18:38 |
| ashleyk_ | that should be obvious as soon as you install it | 18:39 |
| ashleyk_ | why go bleeding edge then try to install things like i386 parts for winehq packages | 18:39 |
| gour | ok, i got it...when i was running sid it was pretty ok...but then the question is do you recommend to install/use gnucash from beowulf on ascii since otherwise i can't use my GC data? | 18:39 |
| ashleyk_ | lol, better luck doing that on stable | 18:39 |
| ashleyk_ | i dont know anything about gnucash | 18:40 |
| ashleyk_ | i didnt know people actually used that | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | better to backport it yourself if you can | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | bb in a few minutes | 18:41 |
| ashleyk_ | if you had used stable versions of gnucash probably you wouldnt be in a non portable database....another reason to use stable releases | 18:42 |
| gour | ashleyk_: i used gnucash from manjaro's "stable" branch, but that is 3.5, while ceres/beowulf have 3.4 and ascii 2.6.15 and only >=2.6.19 can read 3.x data | 18:44 |
| gour | is it more clear now? | 18:44 |
| ashleyk_ | whatever manjaro is | 18:45 |
| gour | you can read "archlinux" | 18:45 |
| ashleyk_ | sounds like that was your first mistake | 18:45 |
| gour | well, gnome was running fine there, but i moved to xfce and thunar had automounting problem due to some systemd stuff - that's why i'm here now | 18:46 |
| gour | hopefully, that's not mistake ;) | 18:46 |
| ashleyk_ | if gnucash is locked into gnome, then you should have never locked your financial data in it in the first place :) | 18:47 |
| ashleyk_ | gnome has been on probation since the late 2000s | 18:47 |
| gour | gnucash is not tied to gnome in any way | 18:48 |
| ashleyk_ | then it should be easy to build 3.5 | 18:48 |
| gour | it is just gtk app | 18:48 |
| gour | 3.4 from beowulf is also ok, so i wonder if using that on ascii would be reasonable? | 18:49 |
| ashleyk_ | perhaps, i dont know... if you try it, try installing the deps from ascii first and seeing if it will let you dpkg -i the gnucash file | 18:50 |
| ashleyk_ | or even nodeps it (however you do that with debian) and see if it will launch regardless of what it thinks it needs | 18:51 |
| gour | ok, i'm installing ascii on my netbook and will test there | 18:51 |
| ashleyk_ | or, do a proper backport, or just build from source | 18:51 |
| ashleyk_ | like if you install all the ascii deps, then just do a build from source, it might get this problem gone | 18:51 |
| ashleyk_ | so you can do other things | 18:51 |
| ashleyk_ | devuan wont get in your way if you just want to solve a problem manually :) | 18:53 |
| ashleyk_ | this works best when a 'make uninstall' exists for later when the repos have the version you want | 18:54 |
| ashleyk_ | if you cant be bothered to build your own package | 18:54 |
| gour | when doing new install is it enough to select 'devuan desktop environment' at the top or it is required to check 'Xfce' as well? | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | gour, I'm not sure. | 18:57 |
| fsmithred | I would check xfce, but since it's the default, it might get installed wihtout checking it | 18:58 |
| fsmithred | isn't xfce already checked? | 18:59 |
| gour | nope, only first item | 18:59 |
| fsmithred | then you should be able to just press Enter | 18:59 |
| gour | ok | 19:00 |
| fsmithred | If I'm wrong about that, you can install xfce4 when you reboot into the installed system | 19:01 |
| ashleyk_ | xfce may be the default, i never use X, but eitherw ay, its not hard to add if its not installed | 19:06 |
| buZz | any idea what could help a system that cant really hibernate with 'echo disk > /sys/power/state' ? | 19:56 |
| buZz | also 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' doesnt seem to suspend it | 19:56 |
| gour | fsmithred: default does install xfce | 20:05 |
| gour | is it normal that new install has isse with hddtemo's perms? | 20:06 |
| gour | *hddtemp | 20:07 |
| buZz | could be, whats the issue? | 20:08 |
| gour | sensors plugin informs that hddtemp does not have sufficient perms...dirty hack recommended is to change perms with chmod u+s /usr/sbin/hddtemp | 20:10 |
| fsmithred | gour, thanks | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | I just run dpkg-reconfigure hddtemp to set it | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | should run automatically when you install the package | 20:12 |
| buZz | yeah wonder why it didnt? | 20:17 |
| buZz | gour: you did install it? | 20:17 |
| buZz | /dev/sda: Samsung SSD 850 EVO 250G B �@: no sensor | 20:18 |
| buZz | boo :) | 20:18 |
| gour | attempt to install gnucash from beowulf would upgrade 98 pkgs from fresh install and install 158 new ones...that's strange | 20:19 |
| ashleyk_ | bwahaha :( | 20:19 |
| buZz | gour: sounds like you might need to apt update; apt upgrade your system | 20:19 |
| buZz | did you install from dvd without internet? | 20:19 |
| gour | buZz: i did install from dvsd but with internet and after 'update', there was nothing to do | 20:20 |
| buZz | and what does 'apt update; apt upgrade' show you -now- ? | 20:21 |
| buZz | still nothing to do? | 20:21 |
| gour | yes, when 'beowulf' is not included | 20:22 |
| gour | at least, wine does install cleanly :-) | 20:22 |
| buZz | yes, nothing to do? | 20:22 |
| gour | but gnucash seemts to be big | 20:22 |
| gour | yes, nothing to do | 20:22 |
| gour | but if i include 'beowulf', it is a different story | 20:23 |
| buZz | gnucash does have a ton of dependancies | 20:23 |
| buZz | E: Unable to locate package beowulf | 20:23 |
| buZz | ? | 20:23 |
| ashleyk_ | i figured its best to install the dependencies | 20:23 |
| ashleyk_ | then get the gnucahs .deb file and dpkg -i | 20:24 |
| buZz | ashleyk_: yeah it depends on them :P | 20:24 |
| ashleyk_ | no instal the ascii ones | 20:24 |
| buZz | why would that be better then just using apt, ashleyk_ ? | 20:24 |
| ashleyk_ | avoid deps | 20:24 |
| buZz | oh | 20:24 |
| ashleyk_ | that will transform your system into beowolf forever | 20:24 |
| buZz | you're trying to install the beowulf package on a ascii system | 20:24 |
| buZz | yeah that might not end good :P | 20:24 |
| gour | yes, in order to be able to use gnucash with the new data | 20:25 |
| gour | apt stats for gnucash from beowulf: 98 upg, 158 newm 1 to rm :-) | 20:26 |
| gour | that requires some more thinking... | 20:26 |
| gnarface | gour: you did you try to build that version against the ascii dependencies yet? | 20:26 |
| gnarface | sometimes it works | 20:27 |
| gour | gnarface: not yet...will think aobut it tomorrow | 20:27 |
| gnarface | that might not mangle your install. this definitely will | 20:27 |
| ashleyk_ | im trying to build it now | 20:31 |
| ashleyk_ | installing deps | 20:31 |
| ashleyk_ | it has a billion deps | 20:35 |
| ashleyk_ | hmm yeah, i think im stuck at gwengui-gtk3 | 20:36 |
| ashleyk_ | only gtk2 is in repo | 20:36 |
| ashleyk_ | and qt4 and qt5 and fox16 | 20:36 |
| ashleyk_ | gnucash 3.5 would be a challenge to run on almost all distros | 20:49 |
| ashleyk_ | and normally building things from source is easy, but in this case, its probably easier just to let gnucash destroy your entire distro | 20:50 |
| ashleyk_ | maybe they shouldnt make breaking changes to the database structure between minor versions | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | install beowulf in a vm just to run gnucash? I've done crazier stuff than that. | 20:56 |
| gour | fsmithred: is beowulf stable than ceres? it should be considering it is approaching stable phase...iirc, buster is supposed to be frozen last month? | 22:24 |
| gour | in that case i could try to just use beowulf...let me try to install wine & gnucash on my testing install | 22:25 |
| ashleyk_ | they discontinued gnucash for windows or you could just run windows :P | 22:29 |
| gour | last version of windows for which i had license (came along with the laptop) was xp. since then i do not have anything with windows...and even before that it was always light usage...before linux os2 way my OS | 22:32 |
| ashleyk_ | jsut need wine | 22:33 |
| ashleyk_ | so you can get drunk when gnucash doesnt work | 22:33 |
| gour | lol | 22:34 |
| gour | i'm updating my testbed to beowulf to check how it goes with gnucash and wine | 22:35 |
| fsmithred | gour, I think beowulf mostly works, and you will probably have better luck with the versions of your problem packages | 22:55 |
| fsmithred | libuuid1, etc. | 22:57 |
| gour | we'll see soon ;) | 23:01 |
| gour | both wine & gnucash installed ok, will test them tomorrow | 23:52 |
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