| fsmithred | _abc_, persistence on the boot command alone looks for a volume with lable 'persistence' | 00:07 |
|---|---|---|
| fsmithred | for other label, you need 'persistence persistence-label=some-name' | 00:07 |
| fsmithred | bbiab | 00:07 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: I tried both, this is for wheezy livecnc 2.7 iso which I wedged into a r2u made usb stick | 00:13 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: the persistence things are completely ignored when booting into that using the system's defaults. I need to figure out how to make it not do that. | 00:14 |
| _abc_ | What exactly handles the persistence volume search call? Calling /bin/live-persistence from boot? Is that in initrd? | 00:18 |
| _abc_ | "Forgetting something might take more effort than trying to remember it, suggests a recent study from The University of Texas at Austin in the U.S. | 00:20 |
| _abc_ | " - oh I must be put together backwards, then. | 00:20 |
| ServiceRobot | good evening folks | 00:28 |
| buZz | i like that the only person responsible for the bad joke, even -called- it a bad joke when he made it initially | 00:28 |
| buZz | yet didnt think of fixing it until much later :P | 00:28 |
| ServiceRobot | I was just going to say I got a fistful of dng emails today... | 00:28 |
| buZz | yeah lol | 00:28 |
| ServiceRobot | quickly realized what had happend when visiting /r/linux | 00:29 |
| buZz | ServiceRobot: someone forgot to learn something when his parents read him 'boy who cried wolf' as a kid | 00:29 |
| ServiceRobot | I don't know wether to call this a mess, or an overreaction | 00:29 |
| buZz | the introduction of gopher servers is cool | 00:29 |
| ServiceRobot | it doesn't change anything for me personally. I will still use devuan on my personal home server | 00:29 |
| buZz | the 'oh noes we got hacked, all your installs might be at risk globally' was horrible | 00:30 |
| ServiceRobot | it's been working great for me so far | 00:30 |
| ServiceRobot | but it was just the website, not the repos? | 00:30 |
| buZz | ServiceRobot: there wasnt any hack | 00:30 |
| ServiceRobot | I know | 00:30 |
| buZz | it was just 1 admin that was trying to be funny | 00:30 |
| ServiceRobot | but some people reinstalled their entire systems because they thought it was real | 00:30 |
| buZz | of course they did, thats normal recourse | 00:31 |
| buZz | now what if you administrate 100s of devuan servers | 00:31 |
| ServiceRobot | I'm no sysadmin so I don't really have an opinion | 00:31 |
| buZz | then it might not be so 'funny' to hear 'devuan is hacked' on 31th of march | 00:31 |
| ServiceRobot | do you think this will harm devuan in the long run? I still want to support this project | 00:31 |
| buZz | i think it already did | 00:31 |
| buZz | but many will stay regardless, of course | 00:32 |
| ServiceRobot | what, do you think we should abandon it because of the joke? | 00:32 |
| buZz | if we were '100' serious before, in eyes of onlookers | 00:32 |
| buZz | we will now maybe be '75' serious | 00:32 |
| buZz | if you can even quantify it | 00:32 |
| buZz | which might be way easier on the minds of said admin(s) , but not really in benefit of the project | 00:32 |
| ServiceRobot | I don't know. seems people overreacted | 00:33 |
| buZz | otoh, it really got the devuan name mentioned all over the place | 00:33 |
| watchcat | imo it'll improve devuan by getting rid of a few humorless people | 00:33 |
| buZz | ServiceRobot: it could have been just as funny to just go 'all our webpages are now gopher only, go to xxxx' | 00:33 |
| buZz | and then after april 1st go 'haha fooled you, here's the website back, but now we also have gopher' | 00:33 |
| buZz | with zero harm to onlook in seriousness | 00:34 |
| ServiceRobot | well the admin responsible for it realized his lack of judgement. can't we just move on? | 00:34 |
| buZz | watchcat: tbh, you cant, unless you want to avoid any big users | 00:34 |
| buZz | ServiceRobot: its not so much about the prank itself, its about a onlook | 00:34 |
| buZz | how will ppl respond when devuan now -actually- get hacked? | 00:34 |
| buZz | 'haha just dumbass admin making jokes again' | 00:35 |
| buZz | as i said : 00:29:12 < buZz> ServiceRobot: someone forgot to learn something when his parents read him 'boy who cried wolf' as a kid | 00:35 |
| watchcat | buZz: ? | 00:35 |
| buZz | you guys are bad at aesop's fables :P | 00:35 |
| buZz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf | 00:35 |
| ServiceRobot | I dunno. it seems like an overreaction to me | 00:35 |
| buZz | > The Boy Who Cried Wolf is one of Aesop's Fables, numbered 210 in the Perry Index.[1] From it is derived the English idiom "to cry wolf", defined as "to give a false alarm" in Brewer's Dictionary of Phrase and Fable[2] and glossed by the Oxford English Dictionary as meaning to make false claims, with the result that subsequent true claims are disbelieved.[3] | 00:36 |
| ServiceRobot | buzz, we're not retarded. we know what that story is | 00:36 |
| buZz | so you can see its applicability then? | 00:36 |
| buZz | and -why- i referenced it? | 00:36 |
| ServiceRobot | I see it as an overreaction. yes, the joke could have been handled better | 00:37 |
| ServiceRobot | there was an apology. move on | 00:37 |
| watchcat | meh. only a few er less intelligent people thought there was any danger. | 00:37 |
| buZz | it didnt go live on april 1st either | 00:37 |
| ServiceRobot | that's because a lot of devuan admins aren't from the U.S. so it was april first where they were | 00:37 |
| buZz | it wasnt, they live in my timezone | 00:37 |
| ServiceRobot | not the ones I've spoken to | 00:38 |
| buZz | i even confirmed it was hosted on freaknet's infra in italy | 00:38 |
| buZz | 'my' timezone isnt US's | 00:38 |
| buZz | i, like most people globally, dont live in the US | 00:38 |
| ServiceRobot | but what are you trying to get at buzz? the admin responsible for the joke apoligized already. | 00:40 |
| buZz | right, the point was your question if it did damage | 00:40 |
| buZz | i was saying it probably already did | 00:40 |
| buZz | and was explaining why i said that | 00:41 |
| ServiceRobot | but how much damage, if any? | 00:41 |
| buZz | i even quantified it for you | 00:41 |
| buZz | 00:32:21 < buZz> if we were '100' serious before, in eyes of onlookers 00:32:29 < buZz> we will now maybe be '75' serious | 00:41 |
| ServiceRobot | I don't want quanfitications. I want examples | 00:41 |
| buZz | you literally just asked to quantify it :P | 00:41 |
| buZz | say if a company was just considering to move their vps platforms from debian to devuan | 00:42 |
| buZz | and now on monday meetings it was first 'eh, devuan repos are hacked' | 00:42 |
| buZz | and then 8 hrs later a email 'oh eh it was a joke' | 00:42 |
| buZz | do you think a serious company would then still consider devuan an option? | 00:43 |
| watchcat | nobody said devuan repos were hacked. | 00:43 |
| watchcat | only | 00:43 |
| buZz | 'just' files.devuan.org , git.devuan.org, pkginfo.devuan.org :P | 00:44 |
| ServiceRobot | but people were worried they were hacked because the main website was. there was no indication the repos were left untouched. again, an apology was sent, and I'm perfectly fine with it | 00:45 |
| buZz | mirrors already have been pulled offline because of this :P | 00:45 |
| buZz | and i dont blame them | 00:45 |
| watchcat | anyone who asked if the repos were affected were told clearly, "no". | 00:46 |
| buZz | right, the same ppl who repeated over and over that it wasnt a joke | 00:46 |
| watchcat | well at least complain about real stuff instead of exaggerations. | 00:47 |
| buZz | alright, i'm sad there's less mirrors of devuan now | 00:48 |
| buZz | i'm also sad its less of a serious distro in the eyes on many now | 00:48 |
| buZz | yet i wont stop running it | 00:48 |
| buZz | eyes of many* | 00:48 |
| ErRandir | April 1st is now over ;) | 01:15 |
| redrick | Well, it's moving ever closer to the International Date Line, anyway. | 02:21 |
| va7lnx | I still have a 6.5 hours left | 02:23 |
| va7lnx | 6h 38min | 02:23 |
| redrick | va7lnx: Plenty of time to sow chaos. We're counting on you! | 02:57 |
| Digit | just saw, devuan has a conference this weekend. joys! :) (nice gopher page yesterday too, hehe) | 07:16 |
| _abc_ | Hi, does devuan use specific, modified persistence on live booted images? There seems to be a discrepancy between what devuan uses and what debian claims to use (since wheezy). Ref: https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2012/09/msg00140.html | 11:51 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, waht's gong on? | 12:16 |
| fsmithred | the live images use live-boot and live-config from debian, so the options for persistence are the same | 12:17 |
| _abc_ | thanks fsmithred, will be back about this later. | 13:09 |
| fsmithred | I'll be traveling later | 13:12 |
| fsmithred | leaving in a few hours | 13:12 |
| _abc_ | Ok, I'll sort it. Have a nice trip. | 13:16 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 13:16 |
| gnarface | _abc_: i seem to remember doing that with debian and finding there was a discrepancy with debian and their own documentation | 13:40 |
| gnarface | i forget exactly what | 13:41 |
| gnarface | some minor change to the path or something like that, probably | 13:41 |
| _abc_ | gnarface: thanks, I also find there are some things which do not seem to work as expected | 13:52 |
| g0zzy | The installer seems to get itself quite confused about EFI. Once again, it seems to think i want grub-install to install for EFI, but i don't. How do i tell it to just do an old-fashioned legacy MBR into /dev/sda? | 17:03 |
| g0zzy | Oh, i should say that it might be my fault - i could have specified an EFI install. I didn't really want to though | 17:10 |
| ashleyk | whats the proper way to disable console blanking at boot, because it keeps turning my monitor off, i already tried /usr/bin/setterm -blank 0 -powersave off in rc.local... | 17:25 |
| gnarface | ashleyk: "xset dpms 0 0 0" | 17:30 |
| g0zzy | OK - unborked. Nuked /boot/efi grub-efi then reinstalled grub-pc | 17:32 |
| ashleyk | gnarface, im not using X, or logging in | 17:33 |
| gnarface | ashleyk: try it like this then: "setterm -blank 0 -powersave off -powerdown 0" | 17:35 |
| ashleyk | ill try that, i didnt have powerdown | 17:36 |
| ashleyk | maybe thats it :) | 17:36 |
| gnarface | maybe | 17:36 |
| gnarface | or maybe it's that you never logged in | 17:36 |
| gnarface | in which case it seems as though you would have to maybe pipe the output of settterm to the /dev/tty in use? | 17:36 |
| ashleyk | well rc.local should run without loggin in :) | 17:36 |
| ashleyk | let me try powerdown, then if that doestn work, yes i think actually i may have solved this years ago on another system with stty perhaps | 17:37 |
| gnarface | the arch wiki shows this example: setterm -powerdown 0 >> /dev/tty3 | 17:37 |
| gnarface | presumably that would work to any terminal even if you weren't logged into it | 17:37 |
| gnarface | i guess i've never tried this | 17:38 |
| ashleyk | cool thanks | 17:38 |
| gnarface | if that fails, check into vbetool | 17:38 |
| gnarface | which should allow you to change dpms settings at the vesa bios directly | 17:39 |
| gnarface | (but i've only tested that for disabling laptop displays) | 17:39 |
| ashleyk | is it okay to change /etc/issue? | 17:48 |
| KatolaZ | ashleyk: that's *the* issue :P | 17:49 |
| ashleyk | will it get clobbered or will issue.new's just pile up or w/e | 17:49 |
| KatolaZ | ashleyk: man issue | 17:49 |
| ashleyk | k | 17:49 |
| KatolaZ | or motd | 17:50 |
| ashleyk | guess its fine to change, i know its been around for decades, just wasnt sure if people still changed it | 17:51 |
| KatolaZ | it's up to you ashleyk | 17:51 |
| ashleyk | in my case, if someone hooks up a monitor i just want it to not be a blank screen (no keyboard to mash) and perhaps say my product name :P | 17:51 |
| KatolaZ | yep | 17:51 |
| ashleyk | noice! | 17:51 |
| ashleyk | though i think ill rep devuan in there somewhere | 17:52 |
| fsmithred | ashleyk, you may want to populate /etc/lsb-release, also. Then you'll see your name in the grub menu. | 18:22 |
| ashleyk | fsmithred, nice, but im using uboot | 18:23 |
| parazyd | Anyone interested in the Devuan conference happening this weekend is invited to join to #devuan-conf. | 18:59 |
| tuxd3v | Hello parazyd | 18:59 |
| tuxd3v | thanks | 18:59 |
| ashleyk | parazyd, nice! | 18:59 |
| tuxd3v | I Am very sad, because I cannot go :( | 19:00 |
| parazyd | Hopefully the streaming will work :) | 19:00 |
| ashleyk | gnarface, the >> /dev/tty1 worked, thank you | 19:00 |
| gnarface | ashleyk: good to hear. that confirms it needs that to work when you're not logged in then? | 19:01 |
| tuxd3v | parazyd, I suffered an accident, and I am waiting a very complicated surgery, maybe I will never walk again...or maybe walk, but no running or bycicle or radicals sports.. | 19:01 |
| tuxd3v | I was planning to go | 19:02 |
| tuxd3v | And its sad I cannot go. | 19:02 |
| parazyd | I'm sorry to hear this. | 19:02 |
| tuxd3v | Yeah life is a box full of surprises | 19:02 |
| ashleyk | gnarface, one of a few ways im sure, but yes it works | 19:03 |
| tuxd3v | Doctors are optimistic about I been able to walk | 19:03 |
| gnarface | ashleyk: cool, thanks for letting me know | 19:03 |
| tuxd3v | But I need so do some bonecreplacment part by metal parts.. | 19:03 |
| tuxd3v | bone replacments for metal parts | 19:04 |
| tuxd3v | Any Way, I am very sad I cannot go, does you will have a stream so that we can see it even if not realtime, I mean defered, it would be nice | 19:05 |
| tuxd3v | For guys like me that are not capable to go | 19:05 |
| ashleyk | its in the netherlands | 19:06 |
| ashleyk | "For those unable to attend, the event will be live-streamed, recorded, and available online. | 19:07 |
| ashleyk | " | 19:07 |
| tuxd3v | Thankyou guys | 19:08 |
| tuxd3v | I will be there with all of you! | 19:08 |
| tuxd3v | in spirit | 19:08 |
| SigmaTel | Is "Netinst" image compatible with UEFI mode? | 20:20 |
| SigmaTel | Which is also called "minimal live" on Devuan's downloads webpage. | 20:21 |
| gnarface | SigmaTel: 1) yes 2) false | 20:24 |
| gnarface | the minimal live is something different from netinst | 20:24 |
| gnarface | i think you might have to disable secure boot or add a key of your own to it to make uefi work though | 20:24 |
| gnarface | if i understand that right | 20:25 |
| * SigmaTel tries to find netinst image on mirrors, but fails to do that. | 20:25 | |
| gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/installer-iso/ | 20:26 |
| gnarface | look for the substring "netinst" in 2 of the files in there | 20:26 |
| SigmaTel | Oh, thanks! | 20:26 |
| gnarface | no problem | 20:27 |
| buZz | gnarface: i -think- not all motherboard manufacturers even have keys inside their secure boot setup | 20:44 |
| buZz | at least, i've had it enabled on some systems that -still- allowed to boot the usb uefi installer | 20:45 |
| gnarface | that might be | 20:45 |
| ashleyk | hmm, need to study inetd | 20:54 |
| ashleyk | does inetd / tcpd have a simple way to get the remote ip address | 20:56 |
| ashleyk | ah yesh http://www.gnu.org/software/inetutils/manual/html_node/Inetd-Environment.html | 20:57 |
| ashleyk | ut oh, letsencrypt is a nsa operation | 21:34 |
| ashleyk | oops wrong channel | 21:34 |
| specing | ashleyk: <3 SELinux | 21:37 |
| ashleyk | lol | 22:26 |
| ashleyk | read the first 2 things under "linux essentials" https://www.linode.com/docs/quick-answers/ | 22:27 |
| ashleyk | FFS! | 22:27 |
| ashleyk | i made a kali image for linode...guess i have to do a devuan one also or try to get them to officially add it | 22:30 |
| ashleyk | i made a ticket telling them to add Devuan | 22:35 |
| specing | Hey I have an improvement idea for the devuan homepage | 23:06 |
| specing | you know how most sites put up a large cookie accept banner? | 23:06 |
| specing | devuan could do the same, but say "you have to agree NOT to accept cookies to proceed" | 23:06 |
| MinceR | that would confuse people | 23:07 |
| MinceR | and waste their time | 23:07 |
| gnarface | i think it's a cute idea for an april fool's day joke, but you're a day late this year | 23:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | 23:07 |
| gnarface | would probably make people shit their pants less than the gopher revolution :-D | 23:08 |
| plasma41 | specing: At the bottom of the page you can already find the message "This site is a cookie-free zone" | 23:11 |
| specing | plasma41: that gave me the idea | 23:12 |
| furrywolf | I would much rather the development effort went to, say, pulseaudio-free software, rather than cookie naggings. | 23:17 |
| MinceR | yeah, also, libsystemd-free :> | 23:17 |
| specing | is there any software requiring pulseaudio? | 23:17 |
| plasma41 | and dbus-free | 23:18 |
| furrywolf | fdo-free | 23:18 |
| plasma41 | furrywolf: amen | 23:20 |
| MinceR | specing: yes, firefox | 23:22 |
| specing | MinceR: firefox works well without pulseaudio | 23:22 |
| MinceR | or as i've recently taken to calling it, failfox | 23:22 |
| MinceR | well, they removed ALSA support at some point | 23:22 |
| MinceR | maybe they put it back, but they've lost my interest | 23:23 |
| specing | dunno, here on Gentoo it has been working without pulseaudio for a decade | 23:23 |
| MinceR | if their mission is to make a clone of chromium except worse, i'm not interested | 23:23 |
| specing | with audio, ofc | 23:23 |
| specing | well yes, but what do you use instead of it? | 23:23 |
| MinceR | chromium | 23:23 |
| specing | no thanks | 23:23 |
| MinceR | i wanted to use qutebrowser as well, but qt5 is massively buggy | 23:23 |
| specing | well, I want something secure, but it just does not exist | 23:24 |
| specing | even disabling JIT in firefox is a massive PITA | 23:24 |
| specing | well, not as massive as it actually works | 23:25 |
| furrywolf | debian has been building it with alsa support lately, due to people opening bugs every time they do not. | 23:25 |
| specing | haha :) | 23:25 |
| plasma41 | I use a combination of lynx, dillo, and firefox 56. | 23:25 |
| MinceR | :) | 23:25 |
| MinceR | if only i had time to write my own browser | 23:25 |
| furrywolf | imho, devuan should standardize on jack. I don't think anyone else has, and it would be a good idea. | 23:26 |
| specing | I'd help on wasabee if I had time | 23:26 |
| specing | currently I can't even compile it :/ | 23:27 |
| specing | wasabee - no-js webbrowser written in Ada | 23:27 |
| MinceR | does jack have an alsa adapter for applications that don't support jack? | 23:27 |
| furrywolf | yes | 23:28 |
| furrywolf | bbl, time for work | 23:33 |
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