libera/#devuan/ Tuesday, 2019-03-05

roo^yRefracta 9 has FF 60.5.0 esr, which has 'HTTPS Everywhere' & 'NoScript' by default. I've had a fiddle with both, but still can't open hotmail's newer marketed 'outlook' email site. It throws a JS error. Do I have to add javascript to Refracta? or do I need to be asking my qn. in #firefox or ##javascript? note:03:26
roo^y..I haven't yet experimented with other browsers03:26
fsmithredroo^y, I don't know03:28
fsmithredthe new noscript is not as easy to use as the old03:28
fsmithredI'm having trouble with a video at vimeo right now03:28
roo^yI see. I haven't used that site03:34
fsmithredroo^y, firefox was included out of habit; not because I think it's the best browser. There isn't a best browser now.03:38
roo^yagreed, my last OS, Easy Pyro, took me back to seamonkey, which was easier to make PDFs out of webpages again, whereas FF quantum can get painful if you realise you forgot to copy the heading instead of just highlighting it03:41
roo^ys/the heading/the pages heading/03:42
roo^yi do like the choice for esr, where the side-scrolling bars still have top & bottom arrows to right-click to jump to top or bottom03:44
gnarfacei'm starting to feel like everything needs to be forked at just before the creation of gtk3 so that it can be saved from destructive commercial interests03:46
roo^yheh :) humans with commercial interests are nearly concidered robots. these robot people with program the robots that end the human race :P did i say that brain fart out loud?03:51
roo^ys/with/will/03:52
furrywolfI keep thinking I'm in ##furry every time I see your nick.03:56
roo^ythis translates into: someone has a similar nick to mine in a sexual fantasy channel?03:58
roo^ythis translates into: someone has a similar nick to mine in a fantasy channel?03:58
furrywolfyes03:59
furrywolfno ^.  lol03:59
roo^y"no offence" but you'll have to use your big people words, to be properly understood04:00
furrywolf... Are you insulting me or someone else?04:02
roo^yI can assume you mean someone has a similar name to mine in another channel you use. I can only take guesses what yes' & no's line up with, without specific information04:03
* buZz looks at furrywolf with a 'dont bring that stuff here' look04:04
furrywolfYou mean you can't identify which of the two nearly identical questions you asked the "yes" was to, and that it matters which one it was replying to?04:05
furrywolfI assumed the second one was correcting the obvious error in the first one, and that there was thus only a single question, and a simply reply would not be confusing.04:06
roo^yback on topic (if i may) i've been given the suggestion to try outlook again with firefox's safe mode04:06
gnarfacefirefox might default disable a number of things that outlook webmail requires04:07
roo^yI see04:07
gnarfacemake sure it doesn't require window moving/resizing, or popups04:08
gnarfacethat stuff would all be disabled by default in firefox still afaik04:08
roo^ythanks04:08
gnarfaceit's just a guess, i don't use outlook04:08
roo^yi shouldn't either :D i'd like to use my tutanota related email in the near future04:09
gnarfacewhat is the actual javascript error you get?04:11
roo^yerr: ScriptLoadError: Failed to load script: https://owassets.azureedge.net/owamail/2019022502.07/scripts/owa.mail.js04:12
gnarfacewell, that's just about useless unfortunately04:13
gnarfacethere's no proof there it's got anything to do with the browser04:13
gnarfacethat script could just be missing from their server04:13
gnarfacei'd try it with a second browser to see if it fails the same way04:13
roo^ymaybe i should go into preferences & see if i can add/allow it04:13
gnarfacewell, if it's clearly being blocked that is an option, though you should probably double-check that it is a known component of outlook webmail04:14
gnarfaceit does look believable but again, i don't use outlook so i just don't know04:14
gnarfaceok, super weird one here05:18
gnarfacehad a problem with an ethernet device not always working at boot05:18
gnarfacehotplugging the cable would make it work05:18
gnarfacethen the problem went away for a while05:18
gnarfacethen the problem came back for a while05:18
furrywolfmy wireless randomly goes away and restarting wicd makes it work again05:18
furrywolfand I still can't make this box poweroff correctly.05:19
gnarfacewe're talking physical wires here05:19
furrywolfneither ##linux nor ##kernel were any help05:19
gnarfaceanyway, i just noticed a correlation in data points; it seems to be fine if i hit the power button with my finger.  but if i power it up with a toe on my socked foot, that's when it seems to fail to up the ethernet device right05:20
gnarfacewtf could cause this?  insufficient grounding?05:20
gnarfacejust random chance and a failing ethernet port?05:20
furrywolfI'd do a few more tests before concluding there's a causatory factor there.  lol05:21
gnarfaceyea it's a stretch, but i just noticed a repeating pattern and now i have to pay more attention05:21
gnarfacei've seen similar behavior from cheap non-standard USB gadgets from China, but this is a Dell05:23
gnarfaceand it didn't used to have this problem05:23
furrywolfin what manner does the ethernet not work?05:24
gnarfaceactually appears to be a software issue in every way except the weird environmental factor05:25
gnarfaceit literally just comes on but doesn't connect05:25
furrywolflink lights on card and router/switch both on?05:25
gnarfacelogging in as root to ifdown & ifup it fixes it, but recently i noticed that so does just unplugging and re-plugging the ethernet cable from the case end05:25
gnarfaceyea, link lights on05:26
gnarfaceor so i thought, i should probably double check that's not some error LED that looks similar...05:26
furrywolfI'd definitely suspect software before hardware if down/up fixes it.05:26
gnarfaceyea, it's old hardware and a new kernel so that's possible05:26
furrywolfwhatever you're using for dhcp should keep trying05:27
gnarfaceall static ip addressing05:27
furrywolfhrmm05:27
furrywolfstatic addressing usually magically works even if the link goes away and comes back05:27
gnarfaceyea, so that's why i'm wondering if maybe it's some hotplug automagic gone wrong05:27
gnarfaceethernet jack sensing backwards or something05:28
gnarfacebut if physically touching the plastic power button dodges the issue, that's super weird...05:28
gnarfacebut i even changed "allow-hotplug" to "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces, which should have also obviated such misbehavior, and it didn't... not reliably anyway05:29
gnarfacei tried passing whatever module parameter disables power management to the ethernet device too but that changed nothing05:30
gnarface(nothing that i could see anyway)05:30
gnarfaceanyway it's not a mission critical server it's just my streaming box05:30
gnarfacejust something weird happening to it that's all05:31
furrywolfstatic is a non-impossible option...  it'd just be one I've never seen.05:31
gnarfaceyea, like i said, i only have seen that be an issue before with some cheap usb stuff.05:31
gnarfacei've got a couple knock-off nintendo controller adapters and a multi-card flash adapter that frequently fail to initialize correctly if i'm not physically touching the plastic housing of the device while it is getting plugged in05:32
gnarfacei'd been told that comes from Chinese manufacturers who cut corners on the finer points of USB specifications to save costs05:33
gnarface(something about formica counter tops being less conductive than the ambient air in hong kong or something like that)05:33
furrywolfI cut apart a usb cable that always caused connected devices to drop off every time my refrigerator cycled, and found it has no shielding whatsoever.05:33
gnarfacehah wow05:33
furrywolfhttp://fw.bushytails.net/usbcable01.jpg  extra-thick insulation to make you think there's probably shielding in it...05:34
furrywolfyay china.05:34
gnarfacewell, Nintendo wasn't gonna help me play PS3 and Steam games with my GameCube controller, so i had to turn somewhere...  i guess i shouldn't be surprised they're breaking the rules, seeings as how i resorted to them because they were breaking the rules05:37
furrywolf?05:37
gnarfaceoh, a Chinese company alternately named "Mayflash" or "DragonRise" depending on who you ask, seems to make a huge line of patent-violating cross-platform console game controller adapters05:38
furrywolfok, I missed a context switch somewhere.05:39
gnarfaceso you can plug your PS2,3,4, GameCube, and Wii controllers into a Linux box as a USB-HID devices05:39
furrywolfah, now I see what you're talking about.05:39
gnarfaceNintendo would never allow that if they could have prevented it05:40
gnarfaceneither would have Sony05:40
furrywolfI missed the line where you mentioned you had controllers etc...  got lost in the scroll from another channel.  my bad.05:40
gnarfaceno worries05:40
roo^yare there any other browsers i can expect to work OOTB with Refracta 9?05:53
gnarfaceyou mean, that are in the devuan repos?05:54
gnarfacetry chromium05:55
gnarfacethere's actually several browsers but most of them are not what you'd really call full-featured these days05:55
gnarfacemidori, w3m, lynx...05:56
gnarfacepalemoon isn't in the repo05:56
roo^ylibminizip1 not satisfiable with chromium05:57
gnarfacehmm05:58
roo^yi can find the midori i tried to install & gets it's dependancy fail too05:59
gnarfacedamn05:59
gnarfacesorry05:59
gnarfacei got nothing then05:59
Jjp137hm? Chromium works in Devuan; you did apt-get update, right? if so, what's your sources.list? and what specific error messages do you get?06:18
Jjp137(and please use a pastebin instead of copying text here, if needed)06:19
fsmithredyou should be able to install midori06:23
fsmithredbrb - I'm going to reboot into ascii06:23
fsmithredroo^y, did you post an error message somewhere while I was gone?06:30
Jjp137nothing was said here, at least06:32
fsmithredok06:32
fsmithredI just rebooted into ascii (a fresh Refracta9 install) and added midori.06:33
roo^ysorry. I did not. originally I went to a local mirror. inside debian i found midori. this time i chose to open with the installer06:40
fsmithredgdebi?06:41
roo^yyes. error:06:43
roo^ylibgcr-ui-3-106:44
roo^yi'll try updating that dependancy to 3.8.006:45
fsmithredapt-get install midori06:45
fsmithredshould work06:45
fsmithredlibgcr-ui is not installed here06:46
fsmithrednot needed for midori06:46
roo^yE: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)06:51
roo^yE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?06:51
roo^y(this is from root terminal). From normal terminal:06:51
roo^yE: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)06:51
roo^yE: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?06:51
fsmithredmake sure gdebi and synaptic are closed06:51
fsmithredand no other root terminals running apt06:51
roo^yReading package lists... Done06:53
roo^yBuilding dependency tree06:53
roo^yReading state information... Done06:53
roo^yE: Unable to locate package midori *(from root terminal, do i update "list" first?)06:53
fsmithredyeah, update06:53
roo^yi saw a cmd like that earlier. apt-get update && install midori?06:54
fsmithredyeah, sometimes people string commands together. You need an 'apt-get' after the && also06:55
fsmithredmust be two complete commands06:56
gnarfaceapt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install midori06:56
fsmithredyeah, not a bad idea06:56
roo^ythanks. if i didn't see our commodore 64 as a fun box when i was a kid, & learnt some BASIC scripting, I swear i'd be good at computing!06:57
fsmithredread some bash guides and play with it for a little while each day06:58
roo^ygood tip :)06:58
fsmithredyou can try stuff out and get instant results. It's not like you have to punch cards.06:59
roo^yI have downloaded lots of C tutorials. I'm recommended C89 as a pure programming code/good learning base :P07:05
roo^yI got into outlook's site with chromium (& I got a updated system, thanks again). Midori got further than FF, letting me sign in, but I don't get much more than a logo when I'm expecting to see emails07:24
pav5088Should gcc-7-base be an "obsolete and locally created package"?  Or do I have something weird going on here?07:31
KatolaZpav5088: ?07:31
pav5088I'm looking at my local packages in aptitude (yeah, obsolete tool I guess)...  and gcc-7-base is in that weird catagory.07:34
KatolaZpav5088: are you in ascii or what?07:35
pav5088Yes, ascii here...07:36
KatolaZpav5088: there is no gcc in ascii07:37
KatolaZso either your package comes from another repo, or it has been compiled by hand07:37
KatolaZsorry, I obviously meant "no gcc-7-base"07:37
pav5088KatolaZ, I'd imagine there would have to be a gcc in ascii...  but it doesn't seem to be listed.07:38
KatolaZpav5088: again, I meant no gcc-7-base07:38
KatolaZ:)07:38
pav5088I guess not...  and there's no gcc-8-base either...07:38
KatolaZhttps://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=gcc&release=ascii07:38
KatolaZnamely07:38
KatolaZso those package must come from somwehere else07:38
KatolaZwhich is for you to determine07:39
KatolaZapt-cache policy gcc-7-base07:39
pav5088aptitude is taking a looong time trying to resolve dependency issues.  :)07:43
KatolaZpav5088: are you mixing repos?07:44
pav5088I did have the Oracle VirtualBox repo which is for Debian...07:45
KatolaZpav5088: apt-cache policy gcc-7-base07:47
pav5088aptitude finally resolved the dependencies and gave me a solution (lots of package downgrades07:48
pav5088apt-cache policy gcc-7-base07:48
pav5088gcc-7-base:07:48
pav5088  Installed: 7.1.0-707:48
pav5088  Candidate: 7.1.0-707:48
pav5088  Version table:07:48
pav5088 *** 7.1.0-7 10007:48
pav5088        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status07:48
pav5088root@desktop:/home/markp# top07:48
pav5088oops... one line too many...  am shutting down, and hopefully I come back up07:48
pav5088Well, that worked07:51
KatolaZpav5088: you were probably using unstable repos at a given point in time07:53
KatolaZthat version of gcc does not exist anywhere07:53
KatolaZit's not in unstable07:54
KatolaZand not in beowulf07:54
pav5088hmmm... I haven't used an unstable repo in quite some time, but I guess it could be left over.08:07
golinuxroo^y said: . . .  but I don't get much more than a logo when I'm expecting to see emails08:08
golinuxI recently have had to communicate via an ancient hotmail account.  Because it is such a bloated pig, the web interface takes a long time to load from that centered blue logo.08:10
roo^ygolinux: I did say that for Midori. Then I went on & had greater success with Chomium08:10
golinuxI an using FF 52.9.0 but in firejail.08:11
golinuxI haven't tried any other browser because it just worked.08:11
roo^yoh, i see, i could run the experiment of leaving midori for 10-15min to see if it loads XD08:11
golinuxI quickly bogs down FF08:11
golinuxI > It08:12
xrogaanMaybe I've been doing something wrong for a long time. What is the difference between apt-get, apt and aptitude, and which one is better to use?08:47
xrogaanoh, is apt more adapted to be used by other softwares while apt-get is more suited to be used by a human?08:48
KatolaZxrogaan: use whatever you like the best08:54
KatolaZxrogaan: there are both formal and substantial difference among the three tools08:57
KatolaZespecially regarding dependency resolution08:57
MinceR05 084847 <+xrogaan> oh, is apt more adapted to be used by other softwares while apt-get is more suited to be used by a human?09:03
MinceRthe other way around09:03
roo^ysilly experiment - of seeing if emails will load in midori, where theres a envelope/outlook logo in the top-right of page, with a loading symbol stuck at 25% near it, - has been terminated after leaving twice as long as the proposed time frame09:03
gnarfaceiirc, midori doesn't have a complete javascript implementation09:14
gnarfaceit is believable that it will fail on heavy webmail apps09:14
gnarfacefirefox on the other hand, it's a bit more out of character for09:15
KatolaZroo^y: you must have some other problem mate10:51
KatolaZI have had to access outlook-evil-based email folders and they work just fine with eiter FF or surf10:52
spinal84it seems like armhf repositories are broken10:52
spinal84apt update10:52
spinal84Hit:1 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease10:52
spinal84Hit:2 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease10:52
spinal84Hit:3 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease10:52
spinal84Reading package lists... Error!10:52
spinal84E: Problem parsing dependency 2010:52
spinal84E: Error occurred while processing nvidia-driver-bin (NewVersion2)10:52
nikospinal84: please use pastebin :)10:54
guido_g*sigh*10:54
spinal84https://pastebin.com/gS88bQyc10:55
xrogaanMinceR: thanks10:55
spinal84hm, now it works; there was a junk in the file /var/lib/apt/lists/pkgmaster.devuan.org_merged_dists_ascii_non-free_binary-armhf_Packages10:58
spinal84i've remove the file and did apt update again; maybe local problem10:59
spinal84sorry for bothering11:00
xinomilodon't use pastebin for sensitive data, alla pastes there are indexed by search engines.11:04
heaven-unlisted ones, too?11:17
xinomilohttps://www.google.com/search?q=%22BEGIN%2BRSA%2BPRIVATE%2BKEY%22%2B%2Bsite%3Apastebin.com11:19
xinomilo...11:19
xinomilodon't use google usually, that's just for example..11:20
jonadabSensitive data should not be publicly accessible, period.11:36
xinomiloexcept for leaks.. :)11:41
sokanTo whomever I was talking with about x220: (the only name I actually recall is KatolaZ XD) it goes up to 4 GB RAM or can it be expanded to 8 GB as well? And all parts can be changed if something breaks? keyboard, monitor etc? I found one at the price of 229 which is a good deal I think. Only drawback is 160 HDD12:57
buZziirc x220 can do 16GB just like x23013:01
buZzx240 is max 8GB13:01
buZzyep ; http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X22013:01
buZz16GB max13:01
sokanbuZz: awesome! :D13:01
buZzsokan: for replacement part numbers, google on 'x220 HMM pdf'13:02
buZzthat pdf you will find will tell you -way- more then you wanted to know13:02
buZzbut its gold, save it locally13:02
sokangimme a sec... Trying to avoid google as much as possible XD13:02
sokanhttps://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a60739.pdf13:02
sokanthis is the manual you mean?13:02
buZzyes13:04
buZz144 pages of 'why you buy a thinkpad and not some shitty consumer shit'13:04
sokanholy zarquon's signing fish!!!13:04
sokanyou can change eeeeeeeeeeeverything :O :O :O :O13:05
buZzhehe13:05
buZz-and- you can still find -many- sellers for -each- of these SKU numbers they list13:05
sokan.....13:05
sokanand 160 GB for now is more than enough13:06
buZzits never enough13:06
sokanI can change it to any size ssd at a moment's notice :O13:06
buZz10TB nao!13:06
* sokan screams like a school-girls being touched by it's idol13:06
sokanUnder which stone have I been living all these years? :O13:07
buZzi dont know, but welcome to the light, brother :)13:08
* buZz raises x230 high in the air13:08
xinomilosent a bug report yesterday, got no aknowledgement yet.. (?)13:10
sokanbuZz: x220 is good as well i hope13:11
surrounderx220 <313:11
buZzx220 has the more classical keyboard13:12
buZzx230 introduced the chiclet keyboard so many ppl hate13:12
surrounderlike I do13:12
surrounderalthough it's not as bad as some others I tried13:12
sokanI'm getting uber excited now13:13
sokanx220 i5-2540M, 4GB DDR3, 160 HDD for 220euro13:15
sokanIt's reasonably price considering I can gradually update it however I like13:16
buZzi guess13:17
buZzi bought my x230 with 4gb ram and 160 hdd for 125 euro13:17
buZzbut it looked like someone drove over it13:17
buZznearly all plastic parts have -some- damage13:18
buZzworks fine though13:18
sokanlol13:18
buZz(and already had 16gb + 250gb ssd for it)13:18
sokanwell, it's the transportation that's included here13:18
sokanand taxes so I can't complain really13:18
buZzyeah that 125 was incl shipping and everything aswell13:18
sokanfor T430s, we're going 315 euro minimum13:18
buZzyou cant complain? you must not be dutch13:18
sokanI'm greek13:19
buZz:)13:19
sokanI complain for more basic things XD13:19
sokanLike not having my account locked for awing the tax thingy 100 euro etc13:19
sokanor tax office being able to access bank deposits without a warnign and grab everything inside if someone owes them money XD13:20
sokanand it goes on and on xD13:20
* buZz coughs about cryptocurrencies13:20
sokanhaha13:21
surrounderstill have 4 GB in my x220, do have some upgrades laying around though13:21
surrounderalso still a HDD in it which I eventually will replace with a SSD13:21
sokanbuZz: good one XD13:21
sokansurrounder: :D :D go go go !13:21
surrounder:)13:21
sokanyou both use devuan on your x2*0?13:21
surrounderno, I use MX linux on mine13:21
surroundermight devuanify it someday though but I'm in no rush13:21
surrounderMX linux + openbsd dual boot actually13:22
sokanI won't be having any issues running devuan I hope13:22
buZzi use devuan on it since the day i have it yeah13:22
buZzshould be smooth sailing sokan13:22
sokangood good :D13:22
surroundersokan: doubt it,  every OS i've tried everything worked ootb13:22
sokan\o/13:22
buZzsurrounder: devuan has no box13:22
buZzoh hmm13:23
buZzjaromil: go have someone make a devuan box13:23
buZz:D13:23
sokanlol13:23
buZzjaromil: so we can rogue put it in store shelves for 'low discount price of 0 euro'13:23
surrounderoh actually I'm lying, had to fiddle a little with firmware @ openbsd13:23
surrounderall linux variants have worked ootb13:24
sokanopenbsd is a bit of a pain anywa13:25
sokany13:25
surrounderbeautiful OS13:25
sokanthis is going to be my very first stable usage of linux :P13:25
sokanwell, since I started knowing how to use linux that is13:25
surroundernicenice :)13:26
buZz\o/13:26
buZzcongratz sokan13:26
buZzare you growing a neckbeard yet?13:26
LeePenHi all.13:30
LeePenDevuan has a new version of slim in experimental (1.3.6-5+devuan6). It has been13:31
LeePenchanged so that it now works with either elogind or consolekit2. It would be a13:31
LeePengreat help to have it tested before it moves into ceres/beowulf.13:31
LeePenAll reports of problems or success gratefully received13:31
sokanmint was very very very bad experience13:34
sokanbuZz: I save every few days lol13:34
buZzgood good13:34
sokanbuZz: do you have ANY idea about dell 3340? :S13:34
buZza latitude? not really13:35
buZzwhat are you asking about it?13:35
sokanwell, that shop had a crapy x220 and they can't sell it to me XD13:38
sokanand he told me about that dell at a special price :P13:38
surrounderspecialprizeforyou!13:38
sokanXD13:38
buZzsokan: bring a kid into the store and have it accidentally vomit all over that x22013:44
buZz'oh so  sorry, i'll take the waste off your hands for reduced price'13:44
buZz:angelface:13:44
sokanhahahah13:45
sokanx230 with 2 GB RAM seems a bit meh :S13:45
buZznah, more room for upgrades :)13:48
sokanhaha13:48
sokanso it's a nice thing to get me as well13:48
sokanand with 2 GB I can still do some basic stuff with devuan13:49
sokanif I have xfce413:49
sokanuntil I upgrade that is13:49
buZzyeah, you'll only run in issues if you use webbrowser13:49
buZz:)13:49
surrounderlies13:49
sokanhaha13:49
sokanwell...13:49
buZzmodern webpages need 10GB ram per .js loaded13:49
surrounderelinks doesn't eat much ram13:49
buZzand 8 cores13:49
buZzand 6 4k monitors13:49
sokanff works well as long as I have 2 tab open max :P13:49
sokanhahahahah13:49
surroundersorry, s/elinks/lynx since we want gopher too!13:50
sokanjava "the ram devourer" script13:50
xinomilosomething wrong with bugs.devuan.org ? submitted a bug yesterday, no confirmation/bug report yet..13:55
KatolaZxinomilo: email?13:57
KatolaZor package against which you submitted the bug report?13:57
sokanbuZz: in all honesty, do you think that x230 with 2 GB RAM can cover some basic needs?14:23
buZzsure14:23
buZz99% of what i do on laptop is 'start xterm and ssh home'14:23
buZzor 'ssh anywhere'14:23
buZz:P14:23
sokanlol14:23
sokanI'm not "ready" yet to have ssh open to the interwebs :(14:24
sokandunno how to protect me sufficiently yet XD14:24
buZzhehe14:27
buZzmy irc box has a block list of 8390 ips14:28
buZzand now i finally stopped getting failed passwd attempts on my ssh :D14:28
sokano.O14:28
buZzso maybe they finally guessed it14:28
sokanfail2ban, firewalld and iptables?14:28
sokanhhhaah14:28
surroundersokan: create keys and disable password auth14:29
KatolaZsokan: what are you scared of?14:29
surrounderfirewalld!?14:29
sokanKatolaZ: of someone having access to my system and me not being able to get them out :P14:29
KatolaZjust disable password auth, and maybe use sshguard14:29
KatolaZsokan: see above14:29
KatolaZssh is not telnet14:29
sokanthat's just it?14:29
surrounderyes14:29
KatolaZsokan: use ssh keys14:30
sokanand ofc change default ssh port14:30
gnarfacesokan: disable remote root login too.  you can use sudo or su instead14:30
KatolaZand when you are sure it works, disable password authentication14:30
gnarfacealso, i prefer whitelisting to blacklisting14:30
KatolaZsokan: changing ssh port is CLOSE TO USELESS14:30
sokanatm I connect from main PC to servre (local network) with ssh key password only14:30
sokansurrounder:firewalld is an overkill? XD14:33
sokanI guess, being a noob I'm overly paranoid with protection and safery KatolaZ, surrounder, gnarface XD14:33
surroundersokan: dunno, would go for iptables since that's installed about everywhere default14:34
surrounderthink firewalld is only default on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora14:34
gnarfacesokan: a firewall is a good idea but if you don't have any other ports open then there's nothing to connect to...14:35
surrounder(could be wrong though)14:35
gnarfacesokan: and they're gonna try every port, don't you worry about that14:35
sokanI'll only have torrent/transmission and ssh port open14:35
g4570nHi, is anyone getting this error in the sum of hashes with the unstable repo? https://termbin.com/94uy16:41
KatolaZg4570n: you have probably hit the mirror while it was syncing16:43
KatolaZplease try again16:43
g4570n👍16:44
g4570n\ok16:44
KatolaZ(can't see UTF8 on this terminal, hope it was not offensive :P)16:44
g4570nwas a thumbs up xD, I have set irssi to change the word OK, so use the escape after :P16:46
KatolaZ:D16:48
g4570nKatolaZ: Yes, it seems that was the problem. Now the update is completed correctly : )16:50
KatolaZgreat g4570n16:50
KatolaZthanks16:51
xinomiloslim wants to upgrade :16:56
xinomiloslim/testing 1.3.6-5.1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.3.6-5+devuan6]16:56
xinomilojust a note..16:56
xinomiloslim/experimental16:56
KatolaZxinomilo: yes16:57
KatolaZlook at the thread on DNG16:57
xinomilo installed experimental version, but testing version seems higher.16:58
KatolaZxinomilo: ?17:07
KatolaZoh17:07
KatolaZtesting has that strange -5.117:07
KatolaZFFS17:07
xinomiloversioning..17:07
KatolaZLeePen: ^^^17:07
xinomiloyes17:07
KatolaZyes17:07
KatolaZyou are right17:07
KatolaZthey must have updated it17:07
xinomilohow's ceres still back? do they sync differently?17:08
KatolaZuh?17:12
KatolaZthat's a devuan version17:13
KatolaZthere was no devuan version for beowulf yet17:14
KatolaZso the version in beowulf came directly from debian17:14
xinomiloaha, ok.17:14
KatolaZwe had a version in ceres but not a version in beowulf17:14
emdetedoes devuan has a similar thing like debians snapshot service?17:47
KatolaZnope emdete17:53

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