roo^y | Refracta 9 has FF 60.5.0 esr, which has 'HTTPS Everywhere' & 'NoScript' by default. I've had a fiddle with both, but still can't open hotmail's newer marketed 'outlook' email site. It throws a JS error. Do I have to add javascript to Refracta? or do I need to be asking my qn. in #firefox or ##javascript? note: | 03:26 |
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roo^y | ..I haven't yet experimented with other browsers | 03:26 |
fsmithred | roo^y, I don't know | 03:28 |
fsmithred | the new noscript is not as easy to use as the old | 03:28 |
fsmithred | I'm having trouble with a video at vimeo right now | 03:28 |
roo^y | I see. I haven't used that site | 03:34 |
fsmithred | roo^y, firefox was included out of habit; not because I think it's the best browser. There isn't a best browser now. | 03:38 |
roo^y | agreed, my last OS, Easy Pyro, took me back to seamonkey, which was easier to make PDFs out of webpages again, whereas FF quantum can get painful if you realise you forgot to copy the heading instead of just highlighting it | 03:41 |
roo^y | s/the heading/the pages heading/ | 03:42 |
roo^y | i do like the choice for esr, where the side-scrolling bars still have top & bottom arrows to right-click to jump to top or bottom | 03:44 |
gnarface | i'm starting to feel like everything needs to be forked at just before the creation of gtk3 so that it can be saved from destructive commercial interests | 03:46 |
roo^y | heh :) humans with commercial interests are nearly concidered robots. these robot people with program the robots that end the human race :P did i say that brain fart out loud? | 03:51 |
roo^y | s/with/will/ | 03:52 |
furrywolf | I keep thinking I'm in ##furry every time I see your nick. | 03:56 |
roo^y | this translates into: someone has a similar nick to mine in a sexual fantasy channel? | 03:58 |
roo^y | this translates into: someone has a similar nick to mine in a fantasy channel? | 03:58 |
furrywolf | yes | 03:59 |
furrywolf | no ^. lol | 03:59 |
roo^y | "no offence" but you'll have to use your big people words, to be properly understood | 04:00 |
furrywolf | ... Are you insulting me or someone else? | 04:02 |
roo^y | I can assume you mean someone has a similar name to mine in another channel you use. I can only take guesses what yes' & no's line up with, without specific information | 04:03 |
* buZz looks at furrywolf with a 'dont bring that stuff here' look | 04:04 | |
furrywolf | You mean you can't identify which of the two nearly identical questions you asked the "yes" was to, and that it matters which one it was replying to? | 04:05 |
furrywolf | I assumed the second one was correcting the obvious error in the first one, and that there was thus only a single question, and a simply reply would not be confusing. | 04:06 |
roo^y | back on topic (if i may) i've been given the suggestion to try outlook again with firefox's safe mode | 04:06 |
gnarface | firefox might default disable a number of things that outlook webmail requires | 04:07 |
roo^y | I see | 04:07 |
gnarface | make sure it doesn't require window moving/resizing, or popups | 04:08 |
gnarface | that stuff would all be disabled by default in firefox still afaik | 04:08 |
roo^y | thanks | 04:08 |
gnarface | it's just a guess, i don't use outlook | 04:08 |
roo^y | i shouldn't either :D i'd like to use my tutanota related email in the near future | 04:09 |
gnarface | what is the actual javascript error you get? | 04:11 |
roo^y | err: ScriptLoadError: Failed to load script: https://owassets.azureedge.net/owamail/2019022502.07/scripts/owa.mail.js | 04:12 |
gnarface | well, that's just about useless unfortunately | 04:13 |
gnarface | there's no proof there it's got anything to do with the browser | 04:13 |
gnarface | that script could just be missing from their server | 04:13 |
gnarface | i'd try it with a second browser to see if it fails the same way | 04:13 |
roo^y | maybe i should go into preferences & see if i can add/allow it | 04:13 |
gnarface | well, if it's clearly being blocked that is an option, though you should probably double-check that it is a known component of outlook webmail | 04:14 |
gnarface | it does look believable but again, i don't use outlook so i just don't know | 04:14 |
gnarface | ok, super weird one here | 05:18 |
gnarface | had a problem with an ethernet device not always working at boot | 05:18 |
gnarface | hotplugging the cable would make it work | 05:18 |
gnarface | then the problem went away for a while | 05:18 |
gnarface | then the problem came back for a while | 05:18 |
furrywolf | my wireless randomly goes away and restarting wicd makes it work again | 05:18 |
furrywolf | and I still can't make this box poweroff correctly. | 05:19 |
gnarface | we're talking physical wires here | 05:19 |
furrywolf | neither ##linux nor ##kernel were any help | 05:19 |
gnarface | anyway, i just noticed a correlation in data points; it seems to be fine if i hit the power button with my finger. but if i power it up with a toe on my socked foot, that's when it seems to fail to up the ethernet device right | 05:20 |
gnarface | wtf could cause this? insufficient grounding? | 05:20 |
gnarface | just random chance and a failing ethernet port? | 05:20 |
furrywolf | I'd do a few more tests before concluding there's a causatory factor there. lol | 05:21 |
gnarface | yea it's a stretch, but i just noticed a repeating pattern and now i have to pay more attention | 05:21 |
gnarface | i've seen similar behavior from cheap non-standard USB gadgets from China, but this is a Dell | 05:23 |
gnarface | and it didn't used to have this problem | 05:23 |
furrywolf | in what manner does the ethernet not work? | 05:24 |
gnarface | actually appears to be a software issue in every way except the weird environmental factor | 05:25 |
gnarface | it literally just comes on but doesn't connect | 05:25 |
furrywolf | link lights on card and router/switch both on? | 05:25 |
gnarface | logging in as root to ifdown & ifup it fixes it, but recently i noticed that so does just unplugging and re-plugging the ethernet cable from the case end | 05:25 |
gnarface | yea, link lights on | 05:26 |
gnarface | or so i thought, i should probably double check that's not some error LED that looks similar... | 05:26 |
furrywolf | I'd definitely suspect software before hardware if down/up fixes it. | 05:26 |
gnarface | yea, it's old hardware and a new kernel so that's possible | 05:26 |
furrywolf | whatever you're using for dhcp should keep trying | 05:27 |
gnarface | all static ip addressing | 05:27 |
furrywolf | hrmm | 05:27 |
furrywolf | static addressing usually magically works even if the link goes away and comes back | 05:27 |
gnarface | yea, so that's why i'm wondering if maybe it's some hotplug automagic gone wrong | 05:27 |
gnarface | ethernet jack sensing backwards or something | 05:28 |
gnarface | but if physically touching the plastic power button dodges the issue, that's super weird... | 05:28 |
gnarface | but i even changed "allow-hotplug" to "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces, which should have also obviated such misbehavior, and it didn't... not reliably anyway | 05:29 |
gnarface | i tried passing whatever module parameter disables power management to the ethernet device too but that changed nothing | 05:30 |
gnarface | (nothing that i could see anyway) | 05:30 |
gnarface | anyway it's not a mission critical server it's just my streaming box | 05:30 |
gnarface | just something weird happening to it that's all | 05:31 |
furrywolf | static is a non-impossible option... it'd just be one I've never seen. | 05:31 |
gnarface | yea, like i said, i only have seen that be an issue before with some cheap usb stuff. | 05:31 |
gnarface | i've got a couple knock-off nintendo controller adapters and a multi-card flash adapter that frequently fail to initialize correctly if i'm not physically touching the plastic housing of the device while it is getting plugged in | 05:32 |
gnarface | i'd been told that comes from Chinese manufacturers who cut corners on the finer points of USB specifications to save costs | 05:33 |
gnarface | (something about formica counter tops being less conductive than the ambient air in hong kong or something like that) | 05:33 |
furrywolf | I cut apart a usb cable that always caused connected devices to drop off every time my refrigerator cycled, and found it has no shielding whatsoever. | 05:33 |
gnarface | hah wow | 05:33 |
furrywolf | http://fw.bushytails.net/usbcable01.jpg extra-thick insulation to make you think there's probably shielding in it... | 05:34 |
furrywolf | yay china. | 05:34 |
gnarface | well, Nintendo wasn't gonna help me play PS3 and Steam games with my GameCube controller, so i had to turn somewhere... i guess i shouldn't be surprised they're breaking the rules, seeings as how i resorted to them because they were breaking the rules | 05:37 |
furrywolf | ? | 05:37 |
gnarface | oh, a Chinese company alternately named "Mayflash" or "DragonRise" depending on who you ask, seems to make a huge line of patent-violating cross-platform console game controller adapters | 05:38 |
furrywolf | ok, I missed a context switch somewhere. | 05:39 |
gnarface | so you can plug your PS2,3,4, GameCube, and Wii controllers into a Linux box as a USB-HID devices | 05:39 |
furrywolf | ah, now I see what you're talking about. | 05:39 |
gnarface | Nintendo would never allow that if they could have prevented it | 05:40 |
gnarface | neither would have Sony | 05:40 |
furrywolf | I missed the line where you mentioned you had controllers etc... got lost in the scroll from another channel. my bad. | 05:40 |
gnarface | no worries | 05:40 |
roo^y | are there any other browsers i can expect to work OOTB with Refracta 9? | 05:53 |
gnarface | you mean, that are in the devuan repos? | 05:54 |
gnarface | try chromium | 05:55 |
gnarface | there's actually several browsers but most of them are not what you'd really call full-featured these days | 05:55 |
gnarface | midori, w3m, lynx... | 05:56 |
gnarface | palemoon isn't in the repo | 05:56 |
roo^y | libminizip1 not satisfiable with chromium | 05:57 |
gnarface | hmm | 05:58 |
roo^y | i can find the midori i tried to install & gets it's dependancy fail too | 05:59 |
gnarface | damn | 05:59 |
gnarface | sorry | 05:59 |
gnarface | i got nothing then | 05:59 |
Jjp137 | hm? Chromium works in Devuan; you did apt-get update, right? if so, what's your sources.list? and what specific error messages do you get? | 06:18 |
Jjp137 | (and please use a pastebin instead of copying text here, if needed) | 06:19 |
fsmithred | you should be able to install midori | 06:23 |
fsmithred | brb - I'm going to reboot into ascii | 06:23 |
fsmithred | roo^y, did you post an error message somewhere while I was gone? | 06:30 |
Jjp137 | nothing was said here, at least | 06:32 |
fsmithred | ok | 06:32 |
fsmithred | I just rebooted into ascii (a fresh Refracta9 install) and added midori. | 06:33 |
roo^y | sorry. I did not. originally I went to a local mirror. inside debian i found midori. this time i chose to open with the installer | 06:40 |
fsmithred | gdebi? | 06:41 |
roo^y | yes. error: | 06:43 |
roo^y | libgcr-ui-3-1 | 06:44 |
roo^y | i'll try updating that dependancy to 3.8.0 | 06:45 |
fsmithred | apt-get install midori | 06:45 |
fsmithred | should work | 06:45 |
fsmithred | libgcr-ui is not installed here | 06:46 |
fsmithred | not needed for midori | 06:46 |
roo^y | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable) | 06:51 |
roo^y | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? | 06:51 |
roo^y | (this is from root terminal). From normal terminal: | 06:51 |
roo^y | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) | 06:51 |
roo^y | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? | 06:51 |
fsmithred | make sure gdebi and synaptic are closed | 06:51 |
fsmithred | and no other root terminals running apt | 06:51 |
roo^y | Reading package lists... Done | 06:53 |
roo^y | Building dependency tree | 06:53 |
roo^y | Reading state information... Done | 06:53 |
roo^y | E: Unable to locate package midori *(from root terminal, do i update "list" first?) | 06:53 |
fsmithred | yeah, update | 06:53 |
roo^y | i saw a cmd like that earlier. apt-get update && install midori? | 06:54 |
fsmithred | yeah, sometimes people string commands together. You need an 'apt-get' after the && also | 06:55 |
fsmithred | must be two complete commands | 06:56 |
gnarface | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get install midori | 06:56 |
fsmithred | yeah, not a bad idea | 06:56 |
roo^y | thanks. if i didn't see our commodore 64 as a fun box when i was a kid, & learnt some BASIC scripting, I swear i'd be good at computing! | 06:57 |
fsmithred | read some bash guides and play with it for a little while each day | 06:58 |
roo^y | good tip :) | 06:58 |
fsmithred | you can try stuff out and get instant results. It's not like you have to punch cards. | 06:59 |
roo^y | I have downloaded lots of C tutorials. I'm recommended C89 as a pure programming code/good learning base :P | 07:05 |
roo^y | I got into outlook's site with chromium (& I got a updated system, thanks again). Midori got further than FF, letting me sign in, but I don't get much more than a logo when I'm expecting to see emails | 07:24 |
pav5088 | Should gcc-7-base be an "obsolete and locally created package"? Or do I have something weird going on here? | 07:31 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: ? | 07:31 |
pav5088 | I'm looking at my local packages in aptitude (yeah, obsolete tool I guess)... and gcc-7-base is in that weird catagory. | 07:34 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: are you in ascii or what? | 07:35 |
pav5088 | Yes, ascii here... | 07:36 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: there is no gcc in ascii | 07:37 |
KatolaZ | so either your package comes from another repo, or it has been compiled by hand | 07:37 |
KatolaZ | sorry, I obviously meant "no gcc-7-base" | 07:37 |
pav5088 | KatolaZ, I'd imagine there would have to be a gcc in ascii... but it doesn't seem to be listed. | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: again, I meant no gcc-7-base | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | :) | 07:38 |
pav5088 | I guess not... and there's no gcc-8-base either... | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=gcc&release=ascii | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | namely | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | so those package must come from somwehere else | 07:38 |
KatolaZ | which is for you to determine | 07:39 |
KatolaZ | apt-cache policy gcc-7-base | 07:39 |
pav5088 | aptitude is taking a looong time trying to resolve dependency issues. :) | 07:43 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: are you mixing repos? | 07:44 |
pav5088 | I did have the Oracle VirtualBox repo which is for Debian... | 07:45 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: apt-cache policy gcc-7-base | 07:47 |
pav5088 | aptitude finally resolved the dependencies and gave me a solution (lots of package downgrades | 07:48 |
pav5088 | apt-cache policy gcc-7-base | 07:48 |
pav5088 | gcc-7-base: | 07:48 |
pav5088 | Installed: 7.1.0-7 | 07:48 |
pav5088 | Candidate: 7.1.0-7 | 07:48 |
pav5088 | Version table: | 07:48 |
pav5088 | *** 7.1.0-7 100 | 07:48 |
pav5088 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 07:48 |
pav5088 | root@desktop:/home/markp# top | 07:48 |
pav5088 | oops... one line too many... am shutting down, and hopefully I come back up | 07:48 |
pav5088 | Well, that worked | 07:51 |
KatolaZ | pav5088: you were probably using unstable repos at a given point in time | 07:53 |
KatolaZ | that version of gcc does not exist anywhere | 07:53 |
KatolaZ | it's not in unstable | 07:54 |
KatolaZ | and not in beowulf | 07:54 |
pav5088 | hmmm... I haven't used an unstable repo in quite some time, but I guess it could be left over. | 08:07 |
golinux | roo^y said: . . . but I don't get much more than a logo when I'm expecting to see emails | 08:08 |
golinux | I recently have had to communicate via an ancient hotmail account. Because it is such a bloated pig, the web interface takes a long time to load from that centered blue logo. | 08:10 |
roo^y | golinux: I did say that for Midori. Then I went on & had greater success with Chomium | 08:10 |
golinux | I an using FF 52.9.0 but in firejail. | 08:11 |
golinux | I haven't tried any other browser because it just worked. | 08:11 |
roo^y | oh, i see, i could run the experiment of leaving midori for 10-15min to see if it loads XD | 08:11 |
golinux | I quickly bogs down FF | 08:11 |
golinux | I > It | 08:12 |
xrogaan | Maybe I've been doing something wrong for a long time. What is the difference between apt-get, apt and aptitude, and which one is better to use? | 08:47 |
xrogaan | oh, is apt more adapted to be used by other softwares while apt-get is more suited to be used by a human? | 08:48 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: use whatever you like the best | 08:54 |
KatolaZ | xrogaan: there are both formal and substantial difference among the three tools | 08:57 |
KatolaZ | especially regarding dependency resolution | 08:57 |
MinceR | 05 084847 <+xrogaan> oh, is apt more adapted to be used by other softwares while apt-get is more suited to be used by a human? | 09:03 |
MinceR | the other way around | 09:03 |
roo^y | silly experiment - of seeing if emails will load in midori, where theres a envelope/outlook logo in the top-right of page, with a loading symbol stuck at 25% near it, - has been terminated after leaving twice as long as the proposed time frame | 09:03 |
gnarface | iirc, midori doesn't have a complete javascript implementation | 09:14 |
gnarface | it is believable that it will fail on heavy webmail apps | 09:14 |
gnarface | firefox on the other hand, it's a bit more out of character for | 09:15 |
KatolaZ | roo^y: you must have some other problem mate | 10:51 |
KatolaZ | I have had to access outlook-evil-based email folders and they work just fine with eiter FF or surf | 10:52 |
spinal84 | it seems like armhf repositories are broken | 10:52 |
spinal84 | apt update | 10:52 |
spinal84 | Hit:1 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii InRelease | 10:52 |
spinal84 | Hit:2 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates InRelease | 10:52 |
spinal84 | Hit:3 http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security InRelease | 10:52 |
spinal84 | Reading package lists... Error! | 10:52 |
spinal84 | E: Problem parsing dependency 20 | 10:52 |
spinal84 | E: Error occurred while processing nvidia-driver-bin (NewVersion2) | 10:52 |
niko | spinal84: please use pastebin :) | 10:54 |
guido_g | *sigh* | 10:54 |
spinal84 | https://pastebin.com/gS88bQyc | 10:55 |
xrogaan | MinceR: thanks | 10:55 |
spinal84 | hm, now it works; there was a junk in the file /var/lib/apt/lists/pkgmaster.devuan.org_merged_dists_ascii_non-free_binary-armhf_Packages | 10:58 |
spinal84 | i've remove the file and did apt update again; maybe local problem | 10:59 |
spinal84 | sorry for bothering | 11:00 |
xinomilo | don't use pastebin for sensitive data, alla pastes there are indexed by search engines. | 11:04 |
heaven- | unlisted ones, too? | 11:17 |
xinomilo | https://www.google.com/search?q=%22BEGIN%2BRSA%2BPRIVATE%2BKEY%22%2B%2Bsite%3Apastebin.com | 11:19 |
xinomilo | ... | 11:19 |
xinomilo | don't use google usually, that's just for example.. | 11:20 |
jonadab | Sensitive data should not be publicly accessible, period. | 11:36 |
xinomilo | except for leaks.. :) | 11:41 |
sokan | To whomever I was talking with about x220: (the only name I actually recall is KatolaZ XD) it goes up to 4 GB RAM or can it be expanded to 8 GB as well? And all parts can be changed if something breaks? keyboard, monitor etc? I found one at the price of 229 which is a good deal I think. Only drawback is 160 HDD | 12:57 |
buZz | iirc x220 can do 16GB just like x230 | 13:01 |
buZz | x240 is max 8GB | 13:01 |
buZz | yep ; http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X220 | 13:01 |
buZz | 16GB max | 13:01 |
sokan | buZz: awesome! :D | 13:01 |
buZz | sokan: for replacement part numbers, google on 'x220 HMM pdf' | 13:02 |
buZz | that pdf you will find will tell you -way- more then you wanted to know | 13:02 |
buZz | but its gold, save it locally | 13:02 |
sokan | gimme a sec... Trying to avoid google as much as possible XD | 13:02 |
sokan | https://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pccbbs/mobiles_pdf/0a60739.pdf | 13:02 |
sokan | this is the manual you mean? | 13:02 |
buZz | yes | 13:04 |
buZz | 144 pages of 'why you buy a thinkpad and not some shitty consumer shit' | 13:04 |
sokan | holy zarquon's signing fish!!! | 13:04 |
sokan | you can change eeeeeeeeeeeverything :O :O :O :O | 13:05 |
buZz | hehe | 13:05 |
buZz | -and- you can still find -many- sellers for -each- of these SKU numbers they list | 13:05 |
sokan | ..... | 13:05 |
sokan | and 160 GB for now is more than enough | 13:06 |
buZz | its never enough | 13:06 |
sokan | I can change it to any size ssd at a moment's notice :O | 13:06 |
buZz | 10TB nao! | 13:06 |
* sokan screams like a school-girls being touched by it's idol | 13:06 | |
sokan | Under which stone have I been living all these years? :O | 13:07 |
buZz | i dont know, but welcome to the light, brother :) | 13:08 |
* buZz raises x230 high in the air | 13:08 | |
xinomilo | sent a bug report yesterday, got no aknowledgement yet.. (?) | 13:10 |
sokan | buZz: x220 is good as well i hope | 13:11 |
surrounder | x220 <3 | 13:11 |
buZz | x220 has the more classical keyboard | 13:12 |
buZz | x230 introduced the chiclet keyboard so many ppl hate | 13:12 |
surrounder | like I do | 13:12 |
surrounder | although it's not as bad as some others I tried | 13:12 |
sokan | I'm getting uber excited now | 13:13 |
sokan | x220 i5-2540M, 4GB DDR3, 160 HDD for 220euro | 13:15 |
sokan | It's reasonably price considering I can gradually update it however I like | 13:16 |
buZz | i guess | 13:17 |
buZz | i bought my x230 with 4gb ram and 160 hdd for 125 euro | 13:17 |
buZz | but it looked like someone drove over it | 13:17 |
buZz | nearly all plastic parts have -some- damage | 13:18 |
buZz | works fine though | 13:18 |
sokan | lol | 13:18 |
buZz | (and already had 16gb + 250gb ssd for it) | 13:18 |
sokan | well, it's the transportation that's included here | 13:18 |
sokan | and taxes so I can't complain really | 13:18 |
buZz | yeah that 125 was incl shipping and everything aswell | 13:18 |
sokan | for T430s, we're going 315 euro minimum | 13:18 |
buZz | you cant complain? you must not be dutch | 13:18 |
sokan | I'm greek | 13:19 |
buZz | :) | 13:19 |
sokan | I complain for more basic things XD | 13:19 |
sokan | Like not having my account locked for awing the tax thingy 100 euro etc | 13:19 |
sokan | or tax office being able to access bank deposits without a warnign and grab everything inside if someone owes them money XD | 13:20 |
sokan | and it goes on and on xD | 13:20 |
* buZz coughs about cryptocurrencies | 13:20 | |
sokan | haha | 13:21 |
surrounder | still have 4 GB in my x220, do have some upgrades laying around though | 13:21 |
surrounder | also still a HDD in it which I eventually will replace with a SSD | 13:21 |
sokan | buZz: good one XD | 13:21 |
sokan | surrounder: :D :D go go go ! | 13:21 |
surrounder | :) | 13:21 |
sokan | you both use devuan on your x2*0? | 13:21 |
surrounder | no, I use MX linux on mine | 13:21 |
surrounder | might devuanify it someday though but I'm in no rush | 13:21 |
surrounder | MX linux + openbsd dual boot actually | 13:22 |
sokan | I won't be having any issues running devuan I hope | 13:22 |
buZz | i use devuan on it since the day i have it yeah | 13:22 |
buZz | should be smooth sailing sokan | 13:22 |
sokan | good good :D | 13:22 |
surrounder | sokan: doubt it, every OS i've tried everything worked ootb | 13:22 |
sokan | \o/ | 13:22 |
buZz | surrounder: devuan has no box | 13:22 |
buZz | oh hmm | 13:23 |
buZz | jaromil: go have someone make a devuan box | 13:23 |
buZz | :D | 13:23 |
sokan | lol | 13:23 |
buZz | jaromil: so we can rogue put it in store shelves for 'low discount price of 0 euro' | 13:23 |
surrounder | oh actually I'm lying, had to fiddle a little with firmware @ openbsd | 13:23 |
surrounder | all linux variants have worked ootb | 13:24 |
sokan | openbsd is a bit of a pain anywa | 13:25 |
sokan | y | 13:25 |
surrounder | beautiful OS | 13:25 |
sokan | this is going to be my very first stable usage of linux :P | 13:25 |
sokan | well, since I started knowing how to use linux that is | 13:25 |
surrounder | nicenice :) | 13:26 |
buZz | \o/ | 13:26 |
buZz | congratz sokan | 13:26 |
buZz | are you growing a neckbeard yet? | 13:26 |
LeePen | Hi all. | 13:30 |
LeePen | Devuan has a new version of slim in experimental (1.3.6-5+devuan6). It has been | 13:31 |
LeePen | changed so that it now works with either elogind or consolekit2. It would be a | 13:31 |
LeePen | great help to have it tested before it moves into ceres/beowulf. | 13:31 |
LeePen | All reports of problems or success gratefully received | 13:31 |
sokan | mint was very very very bad experience | 13:34 |
sokan | buZz: I save every few days lol | 13:34 |
buZz | good good | 13:34 |
sokan | buZz: do you have ANY idea about dell 3340? :S | 13:34 |
buZz | a latitude? not really | 13:35 |
buZz | what are you asking about it? | 13:35 |
sokan | well, that shop had a crapy x220 and they can't sell it to me XD | 13:38 |
sokan | and he told me about that dell at a special price :P | 13:38 |
surrounder | specialprizeforyou! | 13:38 |
sokan | XD | 13:38 |
buZz | sokan: bring a kid into the store and have it accidentally vomit all over that x220 | 13:44 |
buZz | 'oh so sorry, i'll take the waste off your hands for reduced price' | 13:44 |
buZz | :angelface: | 13:44 |
sokan | hahahah | 13:45 |
sokan | x230 with 2 GB RAM seems a bit meh :S | 13:45 |
buZz | nah, more room for upgrades :) | 13:48 |
sokan | haha | 13:48 |
sokan | so it's a nice thing to get me as well | 13:48 |
sokan | and with 2 GB I can still do some basic stuff with devuan | 13:49 |
sokan | if I have xfce4 | 13:49 |
sokan | until I upgrade that is | 13:49 |
buZz | yeah, you'll only run in issues if you use webbrowser | 13:49 |
buZz | :) | 13:49 |
surrounder | lies | 13:49 |
sokan | haha | 13:49 |
sokan | well... | 13:49 |
buZz | modern webpages need 10GB ram per .js loaded | 13:49 |
surrounder | elinks doesn't eat much ram | 13:49 |
buZz | and 8 cores | 13:49 |
buZz | and 6 4k monitors | 13:49 |
sokan | ff works well as long as I have 2 tab open max :P | 13:49 |
sokan | hahahahah | 13:49 |
surrounder | sorry, s/elinks/lynx since we want gopher too! | 13:50 |
sokan | java "the ram devourer" script | 13:50 |
xinomilo | something wrong with bugs.devuan.org ? submitted a bug yesterday, no confirmation/bug report yet.. | 13:55 |
KatolaZ | xinomilo: email? | 13:57 |
KatolaZ | or package against which you submitted the bug report? | 13:57 |
sokan | buZz: in all honesty, do you think that x230 with 2 GB RAM can cover some basic needs? | 14:23 |
buZz | sure | 14:23 |
buZz | 99% of what i do on laptop is 'start xterm and ssh home' | 14:23 |
buZz | or 'ssh anywhere' | 14:23 |
buZz | :P | 14:23 |
sokan | lol | 14:23 |
sokan | I'm not "ready" yet to have ssh open to the interwebs :( | 14:24 |
sokan | dunno how to protect me sufficiently yet XD | 14:24 |
buZz | hehe | 14:27 |
buZz | my irc box has a block list of 8390 ips | 14:28 |
buZz | and now i finally stopped getting failed passwd attempts on my ssh :D | 14:28 |
sokan | o.O | 14:28 |
buZz | so maybe they finally guessed it | 14:28 |
sokan | fail2ban, firewalld and iptables? | 14:28 |
sokan | hhhaah | 14:28 |
surrounder | sokan: create keys and disable password auth | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | sokan: what are you scared of? | 14:29 |
surrounder | firewalld!? | 14:29 |
sokan | KatolaZ: of someone having access to my system and me not being able to get them out :P | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | just disable password auth, and maybe use sshguard | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | sokan: see above | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | ssh is not telnet | 14:29 |
sokan | that's just it? | 14:29 |
surrounder | yes | 14:29 |
KatolaZ | sokan: use ssh keys | 14:30 |
sokan | and ofc change default ssh port | 14:30 |
gnarface | sokan: disable remote root login too. you can use sudo or su instead | 14:30 |
KatolaZ | and when you are sure it works, disable password authentication | 14:30 |
gnarface | also, i prefer whitelisting to blacklisting | 14:30 |
KatolaZ | sokan: changing ssh port is CLOSE TO USELESS | 14:30 |
sokan | atm I connect from main PC to servre (local network) with ssh key password only | 14:30 |
sokan | surrounder:firewalld is an overkill? XD | 14:33 |
sokan | I guess, being a noob I'm overly paranoid with protection and safery KatolaZ, surrounder, gnarface XD | 14:33 |
surrounder | sokan: dunno, would go for iptables since that's installed about everywhere default | 14:34 |
surrounder | think firewalld is only default on RHEL/CentOS/Fedora | 14:34 |
gnarface | sokan: a firewall is a good idea but if you don't have any other ports open then there's nothing to connect to... | 14:35 |
surrounder | (could be wrong though) | 14:35 |
gnarface | sokan: and they're gonna try every port, don't you worry about that | 14:35 |
sokan | I'll only have torrent/transmission and ssh port open | 14:35 |
g4570n | Hi, is anyone getting this error in the sum of hashes with the unstable repo? https://termbin.com/94uy | 16:41 |
KatolaZ | g4570n: you have probably hit the mirror while it was syncing | 16:43 |
KatolaZ | please try again | 16:43 |
g4570n | 👍 | 16:44 |
g4570n | \ok | 16:44 |
KatolaZ | (can't see UTF8 on this terminal, hope it was not offensive :P) | 16:44 |
g4570n | was a thumbs up xD, I have set irssi to change the word OK, so use the escape after :P | 16:46 |
KatolaZ | :D | 16:48 |
g4570n | KatolaZ: Yes, it seems that was the problem. Now the update is completed correctly : ) | 16:50 |
KatolaZ | great g4570n | 16:50 |
KatolaZ | thanks | 16:51 |
xinomilo | slim wants to upgrade : | 16:56 |
xinomilo | slim/testing 1.3.6-5.1 amd64 [upgradable from: 1.3.6-5+devuan6] | 16:56 |
xinomilo | just a note.. | 16:56 |
xinomilo | slim/experimental | 16:56 |
KatolaZ | xinomilo: yes | 16:57 |
KatolaZ | look at the thread on DNG | 16:57 |
xinomilo | installed experimental version, but testing version seems higher. | 16:58 |
KatolaZ | xinomilo: ? | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | oh | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | testing has that strange -5.1 | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | FFS | 17:07 |
xinomilo | versioning.. | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | LeePen: ^^^ | 17:07 |
xinomilo | yes | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | yes | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | you are right | 17:07 |
KatolaZ | they must have updated it | 17:07 |
xinomilo | how's ceres still back? do they sync differently? | 17:08 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 17:12 |
KatolaZ | that's a devuan version | 17:13 |
KatolaZ | there was no devuan version for beowulf yet | 17:14 |
KatolaZ | so the version in beowulf came directly from debian | 17:14 |
xinomilo | aha, ok. | 17:14 |
KatolaZ | we had a version in ceres but not a version in beowulf | 17:14 |
emdete | does devuan has a similar thing like debians snapshot service? | 17:47 |
KatolaZ | nope emdete | 17:53 |
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