| specing | gnarface: Actually, my problem with that is that I'd like to make a proxy on an existing Gentoo proxy server (which does not have apt-*) | 00:00 |
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| specing | Fedora has a document https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Mirroring/ProxyMirror | 00:00 |
| specing | Is there something similar for Devuan? | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | specing: why do you need apt on the proxy at all? | 00:01 |
| gnarface | oh, i don't know, but there is probably one for debian, which should work | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | apt works via http | 00:01 |
| specing | well, it basically just amounts to picking a mirror and getting the directory paths right | 00:01 |
| specing | KatolaZ: I'm data limited | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | so... | 00:01 |
| gnarface | specing: (installing devuan in a chroot on the gentoo server is always an option) | 00:01 |
| KatolaZ | how is this related to having or not having apt on the proxy? | 00:01 |
| specing | KatolaZ: not having apt-cacher-ng means that there is no shortcut to setting up the mirror | 00:03 |
| KatolaZ | specing: if you have a proxy server already configured, you can just use it | 00:04 |
| KatolaZ | this is what I meant | 00:04 |
| specing | Okay, direct question: if I have a beowulf amd64 Devuan, what path on the mirrors does apt download packages from? | 00:05 |
| KatolaZ | specing: it depends | 00:05 |
| KatolaZ | because you have both packages and metadata | 00:05 |
| specing | KatolaZ: it is not that simple, there are always things you want to cache long-term (packages), things you want to cache short term(metadata) and things you do not want to cache at all | 00:05 |
| KatolaZ | specing: on a testing release like Beowulf, you don't want to cache anything, until it's frozen | 00:07 |
| KatolaZ | the Debian upstream will enter freeze in a few weeks | 00:07 |
| KatolaZ | then Beowulf will need some work, so you will have packages updated | 00:08 |
| KatolaZ | also, caching does not work very well for metadata, since the repository files are timestamped, and get re-signed periodically | 00:08 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 00:10 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 00:10 |
| specing | freeze in a few weeks? This means devuan beowulf will also be frozen at that time? | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | specing, the packages that are unchanged from debian will be frozen, and the packages that we change will be changed as we change them. | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | and any maintainers who are modifying debian packages will know that they won't get hit with a new version after they start working on it. | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | I did an upgrade of ascii to beowulf last week, and xfce seems to be working well. I've noticed a couple of minor glitches only. | 00:23 |
| specing | Can I manually specify the mirror URL in the installer? | 01:03 |
| specing | oh, asked too soon | 01:03 |
| gnarface | i'm sure that if you're in expert mode you can populate the apt proxy field, too | 01:05 |
| specing | gnarface: there was an "enter manually" entry in the mirror list | 01:06 |
| specing | excellent, proxy is working | 01:07 |
| specing | I'm not sure why distros are not describing this setup with nginx, it is so ridiculously easy to do | 01:07 |
| specing | no squid or apache beheamoths required | 01:08 |
| gnarface | it's just an economics issue. nginx is the new one, and people tend to get around to writing such howto documentation last | 01:08 |
| specing | I just hope 1 GB of btrfs / with compression will be enough to hold a basic devuan install | 01:08 |
| gnarface | probably, if you're not too ambitious. 2GB would be better. | 01:09 |
| gnarface | avoid desktop environments with huge dependency chains like kde/gnome | 01:10 |
| specing | gnarface: it did not ask me to install any desktop environments at this stage | 01:10 |
| specing | Fedora installer however... it runs very laggy with less than 3 GB *RAM* | 01:10 |
| gnarface | if you don't pick anything at tasksel, the minimal install is about 400-500MB last i checked | 01:11 |
| MinceR | well, it's "modern" | 01:11 |
| gnarface | (a little less for i386, a little more for amd64) | 01:11 |
| specing | I guess the tasksel step is yet to come | 01:11 |
| gnarface | i usually only select "standard system utilities" because it only adds a few extra MB or so and most that stuff is stuff i add right away anyway. | 01:13 |
| gnarface | (then i usually install some WM not in the tasksel list) | 01:13 |
| specing | gnarface: I can document the nginx proxy setup if you give me a place to do so | 01:14 |
| specing | and by documenting I mean pasting the config, ha ha | 01:14 |
| gnarface | specing: i don't think there's a devuan wiki yet. i think such things are directed to the forum for now. | 01:14 |
| gnarface | (https://dev1galaxy.org/) | 01:15 |
| gnarface | as long as it's up there, someone could pull it into a wiki page at some future date | 01:16 |
| specing | the installer is just as slow as I remember it from debian days | 01:47 |
| specing | used to run both that and apt in eatmydata environment | 01:48 |
| gnarface | specing: slow as in download speeds? because that is a bandwidth thing. or slow as in formatting time? because that's an ext3/4 thing. | 01:52 |
| gnarface | i understand that bandwidth might not be fixable without changing buildings, but you can fix the formatting speed by just picking a different filesystem | 01:53 |
| gnarface | unless you're talking about exhaustive badblocks checking during formatting - nothing will make that fast. nothing. | 01:54 |
| specing | gnarface: neither, it is just slow | 01:56 |
| specing | I'm installing to tmpfs and my pipe is 2.5MB/s | 01:57 |
| gnarface | heh | 01:57 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure that's the installer's fault | 01:57 |
| gnarface | and that's 25% faster than my max throughput here | 01:58 |
| gnarface | so you do not have my sympathy | 01:58 |
| gnarface | but if you know you have more bandwidth than that, try a different mirror | 01:58 |
| specing | nah, dstat is showing solid 2.5MB/s when downloadind | 01:59 |
| gnarface | from where i am, pkgmaster drags really slow (way slower than that) but most the mirrors in the round-robin get me 1-2MB/s reliably | 01:59 |
| gnarface | but like i said, my max is only 2MB to begin with | 01:59 |
| gnarface | pkgmaster gives me about 11kb/s | 02:00 |
| gnarface | i think someone upstream of me is throttling it artificially though | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | lot of the installer time is unpacking and configuring packages | 02:08 |
| specing | 414 MB says btrfs before tasksel | 02:11 |
| specing | you think xfce will fit in 600MB? | 02:11 |
| specing | or should I stick to console? :) | 02:11 |
| fsmithred | try icewm | 02:12 |
| specing | fsmithred: I use AwesomeWM in Gentoo, but there is no option for it | 02:12 |
| specing | and neither is there option for icewm | 02:12 |
| fsmithred | oh, add whatever wm you want later, after you reboot into the new system | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | then you can see how much space it will take before you install it | 02:13 |
| fsmithred | and you can be much more selective | 02:13 |
| golinux | <gnarface> specing: i don't think there's a devuan wiki yet. | 02:14 |
| gnarface | specing: stick to console until after the install is completed | 02:14 |
| fsmithred | if you choose xfce from tasksel (in the installer) you'll need around 4G | 02:14 |
| golinux | of course there is | 02:14 |
| gnarface | golinux: oh, i'm sorry | 02:14 |
| golinux | https://friendsofdevuan.org/doku.php | 02:14 |
| gnarface | ah ha! | 02:15 |
| golinux | Not much happens there though | 02:15 |
| gnarface | specing: did you see this? ^ wiki link, if you prefer to post the config there instead | 02:15 |
| fsmithred | awesome is in the repo | 02:16 |
| golinux | You will need to contact an admin to get permissions | 02:16 |
| fsmithred | just leave standard system utilities checked as gnarface suggested. un-check everything else | 02:17 |
| specing | gnarface: I saw it, but I already posted to forum :D | 02:19 |
| * golinux goes to check it out | 02:19 | |
| specing | hmm, secure connection failed to forums? | 02:21 |
| golinux | We have a lot of spam filters in place. You have registered | 02:22 |
| golinux | If the exit node it tainted you will get slapped during registration | 02:23 |
| golinux | But you are already in, it seems. | 02:24 |
| specing | I was told no-gui will be only 400-500MB | 02:26 |
| specing | it is 800MB right now | 02:26 |
| specing | rip | 02:26 |
| specing | seems to be installing some gui after all | 02:26 |
| specing | I don't recall selecting any | 02:26 |
| specing | and it is at 45%. This won't work out | 02:27 |
| fsmithred | specing, maybe you should just do a debootstrap install | 02:36 |
| golinux | You have to do an expert install to avoid bloat | 02:36 |
| specing | nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo | 02:37 |
| specing | well, yeah >_> | 02:37 |
| gnarface | specing: you do know you can just uninstall anything you installed accidentally, right? | 02:42 |
| va7lnx | gnarface: thank God for "apt-get --purge" | 06:15 |
| golinux | LOL! | 06:22 |
| furrywolf | now I want a "Who would Jesus apt-get --purge?" bumper sticker. | 06:23 |
| se7en | There are better bumperstickers | 06:28 |
| se7en | Like "Carbomb" | 06:28 |
| se7en | (If you don't get it, it's a bumpersticker made by Negativland for their song of the same name: https://invidio.us/watch?v=mX9cvvezZhY ) | 06:33 |
| furrywolf | I had one that said "A girl's place is on top" with a picture of a strapon harness next to it... mostly as a joke to annoy someone. only had it on for a couple days. | 06:35 |
| furrywolf | https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/302588524965_/Strap-On-Funny-Car-Sticker-Decal-Tool-Box.jpg I also have one of those in bumper-sticker form, but have never stuck it to anything. :) | 06:37 |
| se7en | "My Child is an Honor's Student at Lakhurst Elementry" | 06:37 |
| furrywolf | I don't need to announce to the world that I'm a snob. | 06:38 |
| se7en | "I left my other bumpersticker at home" | 06:38 |
| se7en | "Think women can't drive? Well, you're behind one" on a crashed car | 06:38 |
| va7lnx | "I won't lower my standards, so up yours!" | 06:52 |
| va7lnx | well, I'm going to get ready for bed and do my physics pre-reading for class tomorrow.... and probably fall asleep in the recliner while doing it. | 06:54 |
| ejr | why does lsb_release -a still say that I am running devuan jessie even though I am running ceres? | 08:07 |
| Beerbelott | Hello | 09:53 |
| Beerbelott | Why is the snapd package banned from Debian upstream? | 09:53 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: https://packages.debian.org/unstable/snapd | 09:54 |
| KatolaZ | look among "Depends" | 09:54 |
| KatolaZ | and answer yourself :) | 09:54 |
| Beerbelott | a build w/o this dependency is absolutely out of the question? | 09:55 |
| KatolaZ | Beerbelott: are you volunteering? | 09:56 |
| Beerbelott | Simply wondering, I have no experience w/ packaging | 09:56 |
| Beerbelott | Is it a lack of resource of technically impossible | 09:56 |
| KatolaZ | I guess lack of interested people who are also interested in doing the work? | 09:57 |
| Beerbelott | resource then | 09:57 |
| Beerbelott | Thx | 09:57 |
| KatolaZ | np | 09:58 |
| cosurgi | KatolaZ: what are udeb files? | 12:28 |
| cosurgi | https://wiki.debian.org/udeb | 12:29 |
| cosurgi | ok, thanks :) | 12:29 |
| roo^y | I'm on my first full install of refacta/devuan :) ..on my 1st 64bit PC :P adding a efi boot partition helped | 13:06 |
| roo^y | iwlwifi firmware deb package got me connected to my phone's hotspot | 13:08 |
| va7lnx | roo^y: nice | 13:22 |
| va7lnx | well, I guess I should go back to bed. | 13:24 |
| roo^y | hexchat doesn't point to here. sends to debian on OFTC (which is ok, hexchat is a bit simple. i'll mainly stick to my client with more features) | 13:25 |
| specing | gnarface: yes, but the machine is toast and I'm just going to re-do the install. This time probably ascii | 13:26 |
| fsmithred | roo^y, glad to hear you got it going | 13:27 |
| roo^y | i couldn't take a hint with gparted's slider, when choosing partitions sizes a day ago, but eventually i clued on the 2nd time around (not that i haven't used it on & off for years) | 13:30 |
| fsmithred | specing, get a refracta iso, boot into live system, do debootstrap install. Simple instructions are in the user's home. | 13:35 |
| fsmithred | (you'd be installing devuan, not refracta) | 13:36 |
| specing | fsmithred: I don't need live systems, I do my installs through VMs | 13:36 |
| specing | and if I use debootstrap I can do that just fine from Gentoo host | 13:36 |
| fsmithred | gentoo has debootstrap? | 13:37 |
| specing | yes | 13:37 |
| specing | these currently debootstrap-1.0.111.ebuild debootstrap-1.0.114.ebuild debootstrap-1.0.89.ebuild | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | guess I shouldn't be surprised. They have everything else. | 13:38 |
| fsmithred | and it works ok with devuan? | 13:38 |
| specing | gentoo doesen't have an Ada toolchain | 13:38 |
| fsmithred | anyway, I think that's the only way you'll get the install as small as you want it | 13:38 |
| specing | and now that grsec is closed, no security policy to speak of | 13:38 |
| * roo^y welcomes abuse for your amusement, as he made a 1GB FAT32 Boot partition on his 480GB SSD (then a unallocated 32MB gap before the main ext4 partition, for no particular reason) | 13:42 | |
| specing | roo^y: partitions are passe | 13:45 |
| specing | my bios can read LVM, so ... :) | 13:46 |
| va7lnx | specing: oh? | 13:49 |
| va7lnx | that's interesting. | 13:49 |
| roo^y | "A Beginner's Guide To LVM" sums up that i haven't kept up with modern computing | 13:49 |
| specing | va7lnx: GRUB2 in bios | 13:50 |
| specing | va7lnx: it does LUKS and btrfs as well (and ZFS, iirc) | 13:50 |
| va7lnx | nice | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | it's annoyingly slow about asking for the password | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | but that's about the only bad thing I can say about full-disk encryption | 13:51 |
| roo^y | ..the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence | 13:51 |
| fsmithred | not about asking - it's after you tell it the password that it's slow | 13:52 |
| heaven | specing: do you write-protect the flash area? | 13:56 |
| heaven | assuming its coreboot | 13:56 |
| heaven | though you could use grub on an usb pl | 13:56 |
| va7lnx | but really, how often do you boot? | 13:56 |
| heaven | us a regular bios instead | 13:56 |
| va7lnx | ugh. 5am. I really need to get to bed for a couple of hours. | 13:57 |
| roo^y | go for a 8hr nap | 13:58 |
| specing | va7lnx: these days daily as xorg is broken | 13:59 |
| specing | can't make the screen wake up | 13:59 |
| specing | heaven: it is Libreboot and no, no yet | 13:59 |
| nemo | roo^y: could be useful for a shared space for windows and OSX I guess, if you have to remove the drive | 14:51 |
| nemo | roo^y: there's these nice little usb3/sata adapters that can make it handy to turn something like that into a portable boot | 14:51 |
| nemo | but. hm. boot partition? | 14:52 |
| * nemo shrugs | 14:52 | |
| roo^y | i almost ordered a smaller ssd as well, & a enclosure, which i'm pretty sure i could install a distro to, to use it like a USB flash drive. from the USB3 port | 14:52 |
| roo^y | i am getting a hint that i may not need a separate boot partition, but mixed msgs. my mele pcg35 opo is UEFI. it boots, which is all that really matters | 14:55 |
| nemo | roo^y: oh you mean EFI boot partition | 14:57 |
| nemo | roo^y: not /boot ☺ | 14:57 |
| nemo | then the FAT32 makes sense I guess | 14:57 |
| nemo | I do try to avoid EFI when I can, personally. | 14:57 |
| roo^y | the mutible boot terms gets a tad confusing. i noticed rEFInd put FAT12 when it installed itself on a flash drive | 14:59 |
| james1138_ | Question. I see that "cgproxy" is configured to startup at each system boot. Is cgproxy needed? | 18:32 |
| sxpert | good evening | 21:00 |
| sxpert | anyone knows about uwsgi ? | 21:00 |
| sxpert | I have 2 questions | 21:00 |
| sxpert | 1) why does it work when I lauch it manually from the command line with a particular config file, and starting it as a daemon fails miserably | 21:01 |
| sxpert | 2) how do you get it to explain why the daemon fails to start (couln't find logs anywhere) | 21:01 |
| djph | sxpert: calling the same config with the daemon? | 21:08 |
| sxpert | yeah | 21:08 |
| ezcape | hi. is it as easy to install 4.20 in Devuan as with Gentoo? | 21:09 |
| ezcape | and compile it | 21:09 |
| ezcape | brb | 21:10 |
| sxpert | djph: I couln't find how to get uwsgi to log stuff, or where to look for | 21:10 |
| sxpert | djph: also, is there a way to get it to be verbose about what it's doing ? | 21:12 |
| djph | -v? | 21:13 |
| djph | never used usgwi :/ | 21:13 |
| sixwheeledbeast | seems to be well documented https://uwsgi-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | 21:18 |
| sxpert | djph: ok, got it to work thanks to the fine people on #uwsgi ;-) | 21:35 |
| sxpert | back to playing on my fpga now ;) | 21:36 |
| sxpert | (stuff for work is advanced enough) | 21:36 |
| djph | yay | 21:37 |
| specing | Did someone delete my forum post? | 23:58 |
| gnarface | was this it? https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2605 | 23:59 |
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