| fsmithred | and just did an upgrade of refracta ascii to beowulf on another machine, and I'm liking it | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| greenjeans | I think i'll just start working on beowulf, then when it's ready (early next year?) I should have a decent one made | 00:01 |
| greenjeans | my jessie installs are just stupid stable, I don't think i've even upgraded any packages in 6 months | 00:01 |
| greenjeans | maybe i'll try cinnabar as an option, or better yet as some small accents to my gray/black theme | 00:02 |
| greenjeans | like an accent wall | 00:02 |
| technivore | fsmithred, we are agree i install grub on boot partition ? | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | buster is already moving into freeze "Starting 2019-02-12, only small, targeted fixes are appropriate for buster. " | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | technivore, I would try booting from both drives just to be sure. | 00:04 |
| technivore | i try | 00:04 |
| technivore | on the second it say it can boot | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | but normally, yes you would put the bootloader on the same drive as /boot. | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | ok, so boot. | 00:05 |
| fsmithred | brb | 00:06 |
| technivore | it not boot, but strange thing when i update-grub it always find my old 4.19 image | 00:07 |
| technivore | so update-grub tell me it found my linux image 4.16 | 00:10 |
| technivore | but it couldn t find device with an uuid (my second disk not mount i guess) | 00:11 |
| greenjeans | FSR: Still using YAD? If so are you still having to make custom versions that play nice with GTK3? | 00:11 |
| technivore | lsblk says my mapper home is not a block device | 00:11 |
| technivore | and update-grub add a menu entry for EFI firmware | 00:12 |
| technivore | configuration | 00:12 |
| ballball | well I was going to register on the forum to ask this but apparently having a VPN triggers the spam filter so I will dump this help request here | 00:14 |
| ballball | (my computer is running Ascii with MATE) One day I woke up to find that my computer had either rebooted or logged me out or something like that, I was at the login screen for devuan's default login manager which I think is slim. I tried to login, and it took a while before reporting that the login had failed or something like that. I can login from tty1 etc. but that gives me no graphical user interface. What's more, ever since | 00:14 |
| ballball | this incident, ethernet connections don't work with devuan on this computer anymore. On the other hand, ethernet connections on this computer work just fine in debian stretch which I happened to end up trying. I don't know how to do a WLAN connection from the terminal, so effectively on the devuan ascii install that is on the internal drive of this laptop (which is the main subject of this post), I have no internet connection. now, | 00:14 |
| ballball | the login manager thing is not really that much of a concern, since if I can somehow get the packages for lightdm, that will probably work (another devuan ascii install that I'm using with this laptop does let me login via lightdm). But I have 2 questions: | 00:14 |
| ballball | 1. How can I get the packages for lightdm seeing as I have no internet connection on that install and devuan does not seem to offer the packages via web site like debian does with packages.debian.org? | 00:14 |
| ballball | 2. What's going on with my ethernet connection? If you need more information to figure out what's going on with this please let me know how I can provide it. | 00:14 |
| ballball | In general if you need more info please let me know how I can provide it. I am currently using this other install of devuan ascii which is on an external hard drive and uses lightdm. | 00:14 |
| ezcape | ask 1 q and wait for an snwer, and then ask the n3xt | 00:15 |
| ballball | ok, the second question is first priority then | 00:15 |
| ezcape | good luck :) | 00:16 |
| ballball | thanks | 00:18 |
| ezcape | :) | 00:18 |
| golinux | ballball: Or you could straighten out your forum registration | 00:21 |
| fsmithred | technivore, check if /sys/firmware/efi exists | 00:22 |
| technivore | yes | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | and is there a fat32 partition on one of the disks? | 00:22 |
| technivore | how can i check ? | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | so you booted in uefi mode. Did your bios get re-set to factory defaults? | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | um, fdisk -l | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | greenjeans, I changed the kind of window I was using for the ones that had off-screen buttons | 00:23 |
| fsmithred | and the problem with disappearing windows went away, possibly with some package updates | 00:24 |
| ballball | can't do that golinux because I just hit the spam filter | 00:24 |
| ballball | I guess there is one possibility which is to not use the VPN but I don't like that | 00:25 |
| technivore | fsmithred, no fat32 (exept on the usb key i use for rescue), i check the bios, always not in uefi | 00:27 |
| golinux | ballball: You can't but I can | 00:27 |
| ballball | wait, you can fix the registration? | 00:28 |
| greenjeans | ooh, new YAD as of 4 days ago, no .deb, gotta compile, really love that lil dialog prog | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | ok, so for some reason the usb booted in uefi mode | 00:28 |
| ballball | that would be very much appreciated | 00:28 |
| golinux | Duh . . . | 00:28 |
| golinux | of course | 00:28 |
| fsmithred | ballball, you reached the CEO | 00:29 |
| ballball | I did not know that :o | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | it's not a problem. You just got lucky. | 00:30 |
| fsmithred | brb | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | technivore, if you have the installer disk/usb that you used, boot that, go to advanced menu and find your way to "reinstall bootloader" | 00:32 |
| technivore | i try it fail | 00:33 |
| technivore | i will retry to be sure and to show log message | 00:34 |
| technivore | i have to pick reinstall grub right | 00:34 |
| technivore | should i pick sda or sda1 | 00:35 |
| technivore | sda1 is boot | 00:35 |
| technivore | grub will not proceed with blocklist | 00:36 |
| fsmithred | no use /dev/sda not /dev/sda1 | 00:38 |
| fsmithred | install it to mbr, not to partition | 00:39 |
| technivore | not work | 00:42 |
| fsmithred | what error did you get? | 00:42 |
| technivore | something more understable :) | 00:42 |
| technivore | no bios boot partition on the gpt partition label | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | ok, got it | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | did you just add a new disk? | 00:43 |
| greenjeans | efi | 00:43 |
| technivore | no | 00:43 |
| technivore | i just update | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | did you re-partition a drive? | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | weird | 00:43 |
| technivore | no | 00:43 |
| fsmithred | do both drives have gpt partition table, or just one? | 00:44 |
| technivore | how can i check ? | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | and if it's one, is it the one with the OS or not? | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | fdisk -l | 00:44 |
| fsmithred | Disklabel type: | 00:44 |
| greenjeans | technivore: you just updated some packages and then started having problems? | 00:45 |
| technivore | yes | 00:45 |
| greenjeans | ahh, gotcha | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that's really strange | 00:45 |
| greenjeans | I would go back and look at list of what was updated and start there for troubleshooting | 00:45 |
| fsmithred | the message relates to using a disk with gpt but booting legacy bios | 00:46 |
| greenjeans | possibly even re-install the updates just in case it glitched during the download | 00:46 |
| fsmithred | grub needs a special partition for that | 00:46 |
| greenjeans | if that fails roll back packages until system works right | 00:46 |
| greenjeans | true, gotta have boot partition, but why would it work before that? | 00:47 |
| technivore | ok now let me inform you of some extra information | 00:47 |
| greenjeans | i'm assuming he had grub to start with | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | not boot partition - bios-grub partition | 00:47 |
| fsmithred | yes, more info | 00:47 |
| technivore | my 2 disk are gpt | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | so you need a special partition | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | at least 1MB in size | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | un-formatted | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | i.e. no filesystem on it | 00:48 |
| fsmithred | do you use gparted or gdisk? | 00:48 |
| technivore | i prefer gparted i not know all command on gdisk | 00:49 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:49 |
| technivore | but if someone guide me i don t care | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | in gparted, when you normally choose the filesystem type, go to the bottom of the list to select unformatted | 00:50 |
| greenjeans | still wondering how it worked before if it was using GPT and grub | 00:50 |
| greenjeans | with no MBR | 00:50 |
| fsmithred | good question, greenjeans | 00:50 |
| greenjeans | well i'm good at questions, for answers I come to you, lol | 00:51 |
| fsmithred | if there's a place to make a tiny partition (2-3MB) then it can do no hard | 00:51 |
| fsmithred | technivore, the other thing you need is to set the bios_grub flag on this partition | 00:52 |
| technivore | maybe i can shrink my boot partition (near than 500M) | 00:52 |
| technivore | let me start on a live | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you can spare a couple MB | 00:52 |
| greenjeans | yay, Refracta download finished, okay I gotta run, good chatting with you FSR and Golinux, see ya soon! | 00:52 |
| fsmithred | good to | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | oops | 00:53 |
| fsmithred | forgot how fast he is | 00:53 |
| technivore | something i can say it s my girl friend have a similar issue last week end | 00:54 |
| technivore | and i fix it by reinstall but i can t do it for my computer because my (home) lvm is on the twice device | 00:55 |
| technivore | i also not use systemd and i m asking myself if in the future debian team will not remove grub as default and replace it by systemd boot system | 00:57 |
| fsmithred | you're gonna give me bad dreams | 00:58 |
| MinceR | afaik that can only boot via uefi | 00:58 |
| MinceR | (of course, the cultists love uefi) | 00:58 |
| technivore | i want more money to take time to improve devuan ... | 00:59 |
| technivore | ok i m on it | 01:04 |
| technivore | at the end of my disk there is 1.02M not allocated | 01:04 |
| technivore | can i use it fsmithred | 01:04 |
| fsmithred | which end? | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | I would shrink the back side of the /boot partition | 01:05 |
| fsmithred | and not touch the ends of the disk | 01:05 |
| technivore | so the end of my boot partition right | 01:06 |
| technivore | 2M ? | 01:06 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 01:06 |
| technivore | ok not allocated | 01:07 |
| fsmithred | now make a new partition there | 01:07 |
| technivore | not formated | 01:07 |
| fsmithred | unformatted, bios_grub flag | 01:07 |
| technivore | primary | 01:07 |
| fsmithred | yes | 01:07 |
| technivore | ? | 01:07 |
| fsmithred | you're not near the limit of primary partitions | 01:07 |
| technivore | ok | 01:08 |
| technivore | so bios_boot flag | 01:08 |
| fsmithred | cool | 01:08 |
| technivore | grub | 01:08 |
| fsmithred | now you can go back and install grub | 01:08 |
| fsmithred | and it should not give you that same message (it should work) | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many of you might have missed: [9 Feb 2019 22:48:54] [wallops] Users of mIRC are urged to update their client to the latest version (v7.55) as versions previous are affected by a Remote Code Execution vulnerability. Any users found abusing this vulnerability will face a network ban. For more information see (as of now unreleased) CVE-2019-6453 and https://www.mirc.com/news.html | 01:09 |
| technivore | fsmithred, i just show my usb key is in 9.3 it can be a problem ? | 01:11 |
| technivore | or we don t care | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand | 01:11 |
| fsmithred | oh, that's an old point release? | 01:11 |
| technivore | my usb rscue key use debian 9.3 | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | should be ok | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | maybe | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | can't make it any worse | 01:12 |
| fsmithred | I think it just chroots into the system, so it should use whatever is installed there | 01:13 |
| technivore | ok | 01:13 |
| technivore | i mount the /boot ? | 01:13 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 01:15 |
| technivore | i select /dev/sda | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | yes | 01:15 |
| technivore | O_O | 01:15 |
| technivore | it s work | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | :) | 01:15 |
| technivore | should i do a update-grub ? | 01:15 |
| technivore | or it s already done | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | not sure if it was done | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | it would have listed any kernels it found | 01:15 |
| fsmithred | and background image if there is one | 01:15 |
| technivore | no | 01:16 |
| fsmithred | if you're in chroot, yeah run update-grub | 01:16 |
| technivore | no message in the installer or on log tty | 01:16 |
| fsmithred | no news is good news? | 01:17 |
| technivore | it s an internationnal proverb ? | 01:17 |
| fsmithred | never thought about that, but it wouldn't surprise me | 01:18 |
| technivore | because we have it in french | 01:18 |
| technivore | only complain about disk uuid/lvm | 01:19 |
| technivore | i reboot | 01:19 |
| technivore | it s look like it s work | 01:21 |
| fsmithred | cool | 01:22 |
| technivore | i will try to upgrade the kernel | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | what? | 01:22 |
| fsmithred | what kernel are you using? | 01:22 |
| technivore | the 4.16 i downgrade like you tell me | 01:23 |
| technivore | at the begginning | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | oh | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 01:23 |
| technivore | it will not be a trouble now | 01:23 |
| fsmithred | you're on testing or stable with backports kernel? | 01:23 |
| technivore | no testing | 01:24 |
| technivore | debian testing | 01:24 |
| fsmithred | yeah, same kernel as devuan | 01:24 |
| technivore | "without" systemd | 01:24 |
| fsmithred | oh | 01:25 |
| technivore | this thing is everywhere | 01:25 |
| fsmithred | I did an install of beowulf (=buster) last week, encrypted lvm, and it wouldn't boot | 01:25 |
| technivore | aka i use sysv-rc | 01:26 |
| technivore | i m really afraid by the future of debian | 01:26 |
| fsmithred | it's not so bad | 01:26 |
| technivore | hope so | 01:27 |
| fsmithred | there's a team of debian and devuan devs working on sysvinit | 01:27 |
| technivore | i know that i m on devuan mailing list | 01:27 |
| gnarface | doing what to it though? i think i'm more afraid of that than anything else | 01:27 |
| gnarface | i would have classified it as "not broken" | 01:28 |
| technivore | my english is bad i m not understand gnarface ^^ maybe the lack of sleep | 01:29 |
| fsmithred | just making sure it still works | 01:29 |
| gnarface | don't worry about it technivore, i'm just being rhetorically negative | 01:30 |
| technivore | nice | 01:30 |
| technivore | mode conpany on | 01:32 |
| technivore | there is some kink of recrutment for working on devuan ? for a company ? | 01:33 |
| technivore | or only volonteers ? | 01:33 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, they're making sure sysvinit is still in debian | 01:34 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: hilarious | 01:34 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: (i think they missed that boat) | 01:34 |
| gnarface | technivore: no company, just volunteers: https://devuan.org/os/team/ | 01:35 |
| gnarface | technivore: though i think it probably would qualify to become a scientific non-profit in the US, i don't know if anyone has actually tried to put the paperwork through for that | 01:36 |
| technivore | ok, should can be could to have money, this day i will really glad to put one of my dev at fulltime job on it | 01:37 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: do you know anything about that? 501(c)(3) status for devuan? | 01:38 |
| gnarface | if mozilla deserves it, devuan certainly does too | 01:38 |
| gnarface | this is the second time it has been asked about recently | 01:39 |
| furrywolf | my understanding is it's a lot of paperwork and hassle, and since we're not actually paying any taxes anyway, since no one makes a dime... | 01:40 |
| technivore | i currently try to make a saas solution based on devuan for companies | 01:40 |
| technivore | if it work i pretty sure i take more time in devuan improvment | 01:41 |
| technivore | do you know if kde is available in beowulf ? | 01:41 |
| gnarface | furrywolf: i know the application process is a lot of hassle, but part of the point is also to save potential donors on their taxes, to encourage more generous donations | 01:41 |
| technivore | a donation like the gnome one can be cool ^^ | 01:42 |
| gnarface | technivore: afaik kde should be present in beowulf... working, no idea, but present, yes | 01:43 |
| gnarface | technivore: you can do package searches here: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/ | 01:43 |
| technivore | it s the fork without systemd or the debian verrsion work without it | 01:43 |
| gnarface | that, i'm not sure either. in most such cases though, basically they have just removed functionality | 01:44 |
| gnarface | so temperature sensors and such may not work | 01:45 |
| gnarface | suspend/hibernate too | 01:45 |
| gnarface | i think | 01:45 |
| gnarface | if they fixed it, it would depend on lm-sensors like before, so that is how you can check | 01:45 |
| technivore | ok i will | 01:46 |
| gnarface | check for lm-sensors and libsensors* | 01:46 |
| technivore | my gf use kde and we will use beowulf to migrate our debian testing machine | 01:47 |
| fsmithred | gnarface, I'm not certain, but I think it's still under dyne.org which does have that status | 01:47 |
| technivore | should i install signed and unsigned image ? | 01:47 |
| fsmithred | reinstall might be easier than migrating buster to beowulf | 01:48 |
| fsmithred | but I shouldn't discourage you from trying - I think you would be the first | 01:49 |
| technivore | yes i know but it can learn much things | 01:49 |
| fsmithred | please let us know how it goes | 01:49 |
| technivore | i already open a post on the forum | 01:49 |
| technivore | but i have some trouble with my vlan fw i have to fix before go furthur more | 01:50 |
| fsmithred | looks like I can install plasma-desktop on beowulf | 01:51 |
| technivore | look coool | 01:51 |
| furrywolf | do we actually have monetary donors? :) | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | yes, furrywolf | 01:52 |
| fsmithred | there's even a financial report and money in the bank | 01:53 |
| fsmithred | (I assume it's in a bank and not in mattresses, but some of it might be in bits) | 01:53 |
| technivore | so after install of the last kernel the computer boot | 02:00 |
| technivore | so thx to all of you | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | yw | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | did you use a different name on the forum? | 02:01 |
| technivore | i really love the devuan community | 02:01 |
| technivore | probably WT or wild turtles | 02:01 |
| fsmithred | ok | 02:01 |
| technivore | and on my main computer i m here with the humangeek username | 02:02 |
| HumanG33k | So thx for all i go to my bed now ^^ and this is my post https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2605 | 02:07 |
| fsmithred | sleep well | 02:07 |
| HumanG33k | thx | 02:07 |
| HumanG33k | you to if you have to soon in your timezone | 02:09 |
| cybpunk | hey, any admin? | 03:17 |
| gnarface | it's always best to just ask the question and hope for an answer, cybpunk | 03:19 |
| cybpunk | i'm unable ti register in the forum, i put the wrong email | 03:19 |
| cybpunk | says now: spammer | 03:19 |
| cybpunk | also how can i install wine 4? | 03:23 |
| golinux | cybpunk: Hi | 03:24 |
| golinux | I enabled your account with the wrong email. LOL! Let's PM | 03:24 |
| se7en | reset | 04:44 |
| se7en | oops | 04:44 |
| Glats | wrong terminal haha | 04:45 |
| Ji-eF[m] | Where can I find a log of all the messages that appears at boottime ? Not just dmesg, but those with that [ OK ], [Done], [Warn], [Fail] ? Does it requires a package installation or some flag in kernel command line ? | 09:24 |
| va7lnx | Ji-eF[m]: try /var/log/syslog | 09:38 |
| Ji-eF[m] | va7lnx thanks, but no, it doesnot contain what I want :) | 10:28 |
| va7lnx | sorry. anything would be in /var/log | 10:28 |
| va7lnx | at least as far as I know | 10:28 |
| Ji-eF[m] | I found something interesting in /etc/rc.conf (openrc conf file), I'll try that... | 10:29 |
| Ji-eF[m] | That did it ! Enabled rc_logger and on next boot, had a fancy log in /var/log :) | 10:48 |
| Ji-eF[m] | va7lnx , thanks for your input :) | 10:48 |
| va7lnx | there you go | 10:51 |
| KatolaZ | Ji-eF[m]: you need bootlogd | 11:03 |
| KatolaZ | oh you are on openrc | 11:04 |
| KatolaZ | sorry for the noise | 11:04 |
| amarsh04 | I think my eudev 3.2.7-5 to 3.2.7-6 upgrade broke things and I don't have copies of 3.2.7-5 any more nor listed as available in aptitude | 11:38 |
| amarsh04 | is there a snapshot repository for Devuan specific packages? | 11:39 |
| debdog | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/pool/main/e/eudev/ | 11:41 |
| amarsh04 | thanks debdog | 11:41 |
| roo^y | I just fitted a ssd into my mele pcg35 opo. I installed rEFInd to a usb flash drive, & refracta 9. I think I'll also install rEFInd to the ssd before trying the refracta usb to install | 12:25 |
| roo^y | i booted partition 1 of USB flash drive with rEFInd on it, which didn't offer me anything to boot refracta 9 on partition 2 ..so i booted refracta on partition 2 *sucessfully* realising I didn't need rEFInd :) | 15:53 |
| roo^y | Wicd network manager was a nightmare. Wouldn't detect my new android's wifi hotspot, my old iphone5's hotspot, or usb internet tether to android. It's currently internet connected to android via bluetooth. (I've also installed the included 'intelwimax' deb, but i may have to restart for it to work with wifi..) | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | roo^y, yeah, some of the wireless need a reboot, which won't work in a live system. Maybe 'init 1' will work in some cases. | 16:07 |
| roo^y | ok | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | make sure the default wireless interface is listed in wicd prefs | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | brb | 16:09 |
| roo^y | prefs has wireless: wlan0 (whereas 'wired auto connection' has option to 'use default..' | 16:14 |
| roo^y | i put init 1 into root terminal, & came back to desktop with ctrl D. i don't think it was enough to get wifi working | 16:25 |
| fsmithred | modprobe (if you know what to tell it) | 16:36 |
| roo^y | modprobe i'm an aussie n00b so plz work your magic :P This seems like a good OS to install, so i'll leave it running overnight, & have a play with it tomorrow, & even if the CPU goes haywire like the experimental OS i was using, I'll probably have a go of the installation feature to see if full install works better | 16:52 |
| roo^y | while researching rEFInd, I saw puppylinux's fatdog64 has it, so i'll no dout have that on a USB as a secondary OS | 16:59 |
| fsmithred | roo^y, when I search for debian intelwimax or intel wimax, this page keeps coming up: https://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi | 17:20 |
| fsmithred | check the list of supported devices to see if yours is on it. Run 'lspci | grep -i net' to get the names of your network interfaces | 17:22 |
| fsmithred | iwlwifi will work without a reboot | 17:22 |
| roo^y | thanks for the help. nearly 3:30am here. guess i'll power myself down soon | 17:23 |
| fsmithred | good idea | 17:23 |
| Zajcev | helou gays, please, is there any magic stuff to make sudo user working in devuan? I've tried usual steps but it does'nt work ... | 18:24 |
| fsmithred | Zajcev, install sudo, then either add user to sudo group or edit /etc/sudoers to allow user the admin commands you choose | 18:31 |
| Zajcev | fsmithred: allready did of course | 18:37 |
| fsmithred | you logged out and in after adding to sudo group? | 18:38 |
| Zajcev | fsmithred: omg ... shame on me ... sorry | 18:39 |
| Zajcev | I need a little break | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | lol, you're not the first one to forget that, I know for a fact. | 18:39 |
| Zajcev | fsmithred: little silly question ... is devuan going to stay here for ages? :-) | 18:42 |
| Zajcev | I like it, and I'd like to switch from debian | 18:42 |
| fsmithred | yes, Zajcev. There are devs getting paid to manage servers running devuan, so they are invested in keeping it working. | 18:44 |
| Zajcev | fsmithred: thumbs up | 18:54 |
| _abc_ | This been linked here before? Benno Rice? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo | 21:44 |
| golinux | Probably. Lots of discussion about him recently | 21:49 |
| _abc_ | Who is Benno in the devuan context? | 21:51 |
| _abc_ | golinux: ? | 21:54 |
| golinux | He's trying to get BSD to adopt systemd iirc | 21:56 |
| golinux | Anyone who is aggressively promoting systemd is important for devuan to know about. | 21:56 |
| _abc_ | Is he PROMOTING it? | 21:57 |
| golinux | I got that impression | 21:58 |
| golinux | He talks about how wonderful and 'modern' systemd is | 21:59 |
| _abc_ | Well one takes away the general idea from there that systemd might one day be something promising. Not now. | 22:01 |
| _abc_ | So all the promises he makes are future tense. Not present. | 22:03 |
| _abc_ | And in particular he says openly that systemd seems to be a ripoff of launchd, at least the ideas and the config mode | 22:04 |
| r3boot | Also, does this really matter for Devuan? I guess not, unless Devuan/kFreeBSD would exist or so (now *that* would be something I'd run :P) | 22:05 |
| _abc_ | :) | 22:05 |
| _abc_ | incidentally launchd is in freebsd since 2006 or so r3boot | 22:07 |
| r3boot | yep. There are a bunch of init systems in fbsd; Replacing its /sbin/init tho, I dont think theres any research on that (there is on calling a 2nd init system from rc.d) | 22:08 |
| r3boot | s/rc.d/rc/ | 22:08 |
| _abc_ | Well, the system is very stable so why upgrade :) | 22:09 |
| r3boot | exactly | 22:09 |
| r3boot | Also, there was djb's daemontools. That implements more or less the same model as systemd uses (running services in the foreground instead of the background) | 22:10 |
| golinux | _abc_: We don't need for BSD to jump on the systemd train. We need more systemd-free distros not fewer | 22:11 |
| r3boot | Actually ... https://uglyman.kremlin.cc/gitweb/gitweb.cgi?p=systembsd.git ;+ | 22:14 |
| r3boot | _abc_: nice talk, thnx. He seems to have a pretty balanced viewpoint, and is coming up with some pretty constructive & rational guidelines | 22:42 |
| _abc_ | for the future. Not now :) | 22:43 |
| r3boot | he is basically saying, look; systemd is here to stay. Instead of trying to fight it, he is suggesting to study & learn from it, since it is solving a bunch of problems that unix has been struggling with for quite some time | 22:45 |
| _abc_ | Yes, the emphasis is on in the future. It's not a solution, it has potential :) | 22:45 |
| r3boot | yep :) | 22:46 |
| gnarface | the problem i have is that largely those things, in my opinion have been the opposite of problems, they've been protections | 23:06 |
| gnarface | (and if the people making systemd didn't feel like that too, they wouldn't be actively trying to force everyone to use it) | 23:07 |
| DrDeke | r3boot: what talk is this? i think i joined after you linked it | 23:09 |
| DrDeke | or, after whomever linked it linked it | 23:09 |
| DrDeke | whoever | 23:09 |
| DrDeke | sigh | 23:09 |
| gnarface | the fact the software might one day redeem itself through the sheer willpower and brute force of volunteer contributions is really aside from the point (imo) | 23:10 |
| koollman | DrDeke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_AIw9bGogo | 23:11 |
| DrDeke | thx | 23:12 |
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