| Xenguy | Question: has anyone tried installing the Riot DEB (a client for using Matrix) for Debian/Ubuntu on Devuan? | 00:51 |
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| Xenguy | https://riot.im/desktop.html | 00:52 |
| gnarface | this sounds familiar. i think someone has asked before. can't remember who though. | 00:58 |
| Xenguy | gnarface: Somebody set up a Matrix room (or w/e it's called), and I thought I might give it a whirl, but there's no native client packaged for Devuan | 01:01 |
| gnarface | do they have a source package for it? | 01:02 |
| Xenguy | There is the URL I posted above and then there is this: https://github.com/vector-im/riot-web#running-as-a-desktop-app | 01:03 |
| Xenguy | Which doesn't seem to useful at first glance... | 01:04 |
| Xenguy | So short answer is 'no', it seems | 01:04 |
| gnarface | Xenguy: oh... build instructions start with "npm...", this is javascript shit | 01:21 |
| gnarface | maybe that means it will work on devuan as long as you have whatever version of node.js they expect | 01:22 |
| gnarface | (they probably are using whatever ubuntu tracks, which would be what debian unstable tracks, rather than debian stable, which for something like node.js is too old the moment it's released) | 01:22 |
| gnarface | i remember having to address with something similar by backporting node.js myself. man that was a mess | 01:23 |
| Xenguy | gnarface: Thanks for mentioning that, as I have no wish to try to build such a client in that case | 02:06 |
| roo^y | i've been having a look at my experimental distro's boot partition. I don't think it uses Grub, as it has refind.conf **it also has refind.conf.example < - that has all the command options detailed, for rEFInd, which will probably boot devuan on my mele pcg35 opo | 14:57 |
| roo^y | TrueOS is a version of bsd that also uses rEFInd. midnightbsd has a uefi.img for usb sticks. "NomadBSD is a 64-bit live system for USB flash drives" I haven't tried bsd yet. i may have to soon, b4 there's too many to choose from! | 15:01 |
| roo^y | i web searched 'iso rEFInd USB'. i like to think this may come in handy for another n00b like me, if a basic dd install isn't enough, for a fussy system to boot | 15:07 |
| fsmithred | I've used by rEFInd usb a few times | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | by/my | 15:08 |
| roo^y | :) | 15:08 |
| fsmithred | most of the time I can get grub to cooperate, but it may take some coaxing. | 15:08 |
| roo^y | i'm running easy pyro from a 32GB USB. it has seamonkey browser & xine media player, which are probably the main culprits for making the CPU go haywire (possibly use up the memory), freezing the PC every 2 days (or everyday). i like to think i can go back to a stable OS, especially when i have a SSD. might need to get some screws to hold it in place | 15:19 |
| roo^y | *introduction to my 1st 64bit PC has been rocky :D | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | I haven't used xine in years. | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | 64 or 32 shouldn't make any difference | 15:20 |
| fsmithred | If possible, try mpv instead of xine. It seems to heat up my laptop less than vlc does. Don't know about xine. | 15:21 |
| roo^y | i've only used xine for the best part of a month. sometimes it plays vids a bit glitchy, other times alright | 15:22 |
| roo^y | thx, i'll make a note of mpv (just searched it, encase it was an abbreviation of something i already knew). I'd been using a puppylinus with gnome media player | 15:26 |
| roo^y | heh, i name-dropped mr linux s/puppylinus/puppylinux/ | 15:27 |
| roo^y | ..turns out i have been using bsd, as technically the 2nd hand phone i've been using has freebsd-based iOS :P | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | maybe longer than you think - windows has bsd code in it (at least I know it used to have it.) | 15:56 |
| roo^y | macOS does, as long with a number of gaming consoles (all 'proprietary' bsd) | 15:59 |
| MinceR | all proprietary "BSD" | 16:00 |
| Achylles | I installed bsdgames on devuan, but there is no wtf command-line that I want. | 16:27 |
| Achylles | why? Is this version too old? | 16:27 |
| Achylles | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/BSD_games | 16:28 |
| Achylles | on debian I get it... | 16:28 |
| KatolaZ | Achylles: ? | 16:30 |
| KatolaZ | do you have /usr/games in your path? | 16:31 |
| Achylles | KatolaZ, I see. thx | 16:43 |
| ewl | The installer in the livecd versions screwed up the installation of grub. I managed to get everything working by going back in with the install media, chrooting into the installation and reinstalling grub and running "update-grub". But I suspect a beginner would be very frustrated and intimidated. You should warn them away from installing via | 16:59 |
| ewl | the livecd | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | ewl, what's your setup? uefi or bios? | 17:00 |
| furrywolf | or, rather than warning them, figure out what happened and fix it... What didn't work? | 17:00 |
| ewl | bios, I have an x200 with libreboot and a t400 thinkpads | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | installer should have asked if you want to copy grub package files and install bootloader | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | oh, graphical or cli installer? | 17:01 |
| ewl | I'm not sure what didn't happen but grub.cfg never got written to /boot/grub in both instances. | 17:02 |
| ewl | cli in one, graphical in the other. | 17:02 |
| ewl | No, it was the script that comes with the livecd | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | it is a confusing situation - grub-efi is installed... | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | which livecd? desktop or minimal? | 17:03 |
| ewl | desktop xfce4 | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | the live isos come only with refractainstaller. No debian-installer on those. | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | so to finish my statement about confusion... | 17:03 |
| ewl | yes refractainstaller. | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | only one grub can be installed at a time | 17:03 |
| fsmithred | the installer copies the live system to hard drive | 17:04 |
| ewl | But it didn't install grub correctly. | 17:04 |
| fsmithred | it usually does - should have installed the grub-pc package and you should have gotten the package's debconf dialog asking you where to put the bootloader | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | that's the expected behavior | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | if you have occasion to try it again, please run 'refractainstaller -d' or for gui, 'refractainstaller-yad -d' | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | and save me the debug log | 17:05 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 17:05 |
| ewl | Well I got the unexpected behavior twice on two different machines. If I were a beginner, I'd be looking at an alternative os | 17:05 |
| ewl | I just clicked on the desktop icon. | 17:06 |
| ewl | I installed ascii. Anyway, everything's running great since I fixed it. | 17:07 |
| fsmithred | I've never played with libreboot, so I don't know if that could be related to the problem. | 17:08 |
| ewl | I was actually able to log in with libreboot, after a page of error messages. Something to do with libreboot's close relationship with grub. I don't know about such things. But It worked without the error messages after I fixed it. The t400 just dumped me into the grub command line. | 17:12 |
| ewl | I'm a distro hopper. Next time I do it I'll use the netinst installer. | 17:15 |
| nemo | Say... mate-power-manager 1.21.x doesn't seem to be in beowulf or ceres - I guess that's an upstream debian problem? | 18:39 |
| nemo | I wanted to see if by any chance 1.21.x fixes the broken upower integration | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | dpesm | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | toops | 18:52 |
| fsmithred | doesn't seem to be in buster or sid, either | 18:53 |
| golinux | I think that AntoFox may have it in hezeh.org but I also vaguely remember a problem with it and that it was pulled. | 18:55 |
| nemo | https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-power-manager/issues/225 I think this is issue I've been encountering | 18:56 |
| nemo | even in ascii | 18:56 |
| Bjornn | can someone possible recommend a page that would help me trouble shoot my ethernet connection? I'm stuck in a loop where it says its connecting for a few seconds and then doesn't | 21:58 |
| nemo | Bjornn: stuck in a *loop* ? | 21:59 |
| nemo | Bjornn: or just really really slow startup ? | 21:59 |
| Bjornn | well, it doesn't actually loop, it just doesn't connect, and I try to connect by clicking the icon | 22:01 |
| Bjornn | message is 'connecting... ' | 22:01 |
| Bjornn | and then back to showing that it is disconnected | 22:01 |
| nemo | Bjornn: wicd? | 22:06 |
| Bjornn | yes, it is wicd | 22:06 |
| nemo | Bjornn: welp. doesn't ring a bell, but sounds like some sort of network error. I guess could start by doublechecking you picked sensible values when setting up the network | 22:07 |
| nemo | Bjornn: and hunt for logs. dmesg etc | 22:07 |
| nemo | Bjornn: wifi right | 22:07 |
| Bjornn | yeah, dmesg sounds good. thanks nemo | 22:07 |
| nemo | /var/log/wicd seems to be where it keeps its log | 22:08 |
| nemo | Bjornn: I guess another option is trying another client ofc | 22:08 |
| nemo | on my SO's machine I restored the MATE one since she was simply more familiar with it | 22:08 |
| nemo | networkmanager that is | 22:08 |
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