| Bjornn | This is probably not news to anyone here, but it surprised me to see the message. I loaded an old copy of devuan v1, I guess it would be. I opened up google chrome and it gave a message that updates would soon be disable because the OS was not going to be supported. | 05:26 |
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| Bjornn | fwiw | 05:27 |
| gnarface | Bjornn: that kernel is really old | 05:48 |
| gnarface | the kernel in v2 should be new enough for most purposes though | 05:57 |
| gnarface | (and if it's not, there's an even newer one in ascii-backports) | 05:59 |
| va7lnx | nice. a devuan channel | 06:34 |
| va7lnx | my kind of place | 06:34 |
| va7lnx | setting up devuan ascii on an older rpi. should I use wdm or lightdm for the display manager? | 06:34 |
| va7lnx | I'm a little out of date on this stuff. been using mint for too long. | 06:34 |
| gnarface | va7lnx: i use e17 on mine :D | 07:39 |
| va7lnx | gnarface: thanks. I did install lightdm and xfce | 07:44 |
| va7lnx | the system is an old 2011 model, so not sure if I should bother with a GUI and just go CLI instead. | 07:44 |
| va7lnx | and firefox-esr crashes on startup | 07:44 |
| va7lnx | I'm using netsurf right now | 07:44 |
| abcabc__ | not enough ram for firefox? | 09:22 |
| abcabc__ | om rpi va7lnx | 09:23 |
| gnarface | va7lnx: for video, you'll have better luck using omxplayer without a GUI. but you can do some desktop stuff with it if you're patient. midori at least used to work for me... | 09:48 |
| va7lnx | abcabc__: that might make sense. | 09:52 |
| va7lnx | gnarface: well, I think I'm just going to get a new one. I'll use this without X. | 09:53 |
| ejr | does anyone else have problems getting tor to run on ceres? | 09:53 |
| ejr | i always get a config error since dist-upgrading | 09:53 |
| va7lnx | it has 512MB of RAM. probably a little lean for modern use. | 09:53 |
| va7lnx | maybe make it into a pi-hole | 09:54 |
| va7lnx | or do some embedded stuff with it. | 09:54 |
| ejr | va7lnx: i currently have rss feeds open, w3m running, mutt mail + irssi etc on a gui-less devuan and it uses 112 MB ram right now :) on a 13 year old thinkpad | 09:55 |
| va7lnx | nice. | 09:56 |
| va7lnx | what model? | 09:56 |
| ejr | x60 | 09:56 |
| va7lnx | I think I have an X61 here. | 09:56 |
| ejr | i have six X60 lying around and use them for all sorts of stuff, with an SSD they are unbelievably fast still | 09:57 |
| ejr | X61 is also great, and even has 64 bit oftentimes | 09:57 |
| va7lnx | or not. I think I may have recycled it already | 09:57 |
| va7lnx | I have a lot of old gear I'm going to turf. | 09:58 |
| ejr | the old IBM thinkpads are becoming more and more priceless :) | 09:58 |
| ejr | given how good they are, compared to newer laptops | 09:59 |
| va7lnx | i have a newer core2duo thinkpad as well. | 10:01 |
| va7lnx | it's a good laptop | 10:02 |
| va7lnx | yeah, I think I recycled the old one. | 10:02 |
| va7lnx | it might've been a T61 now that I think about it | 10:02 |
| va7lnx | my bad! I found it. It's a T41 | 10:02 |
| ejr | ah, the T41 unfortunately do not have the benefit of being faster with an SSD, as the X6/T6 do | 10:04 |
| va7lnx | well, it's an old P4, so I'm not surprised. | 10:04 |
| va7lnx | ah. found it. the core2duo is a T61 | 10:05 |
| va7lnx | good laptop. if it wasn't for the size, I'd carry it to and from school. I use my HP Folio for that. | 10:06 |
| va7lnx | the T61 runs windows 7 right now. that's really only so that I can program my logitech remote control :P | 10:07 |
| va7lnx | oh yeah, and access my government services website. | 10:07 |
| ejr | hehe. i had a T40 once, and also a T60, but eventually I got rid of all bigger Thinkpads and now I only use the X60/X60s I have, for everything. | 10:08 |
| ejr | good idea to keep gov site access on windows ;) | 10:08 |
| va7lnx | yeah. when I want to do real work, I go back to Linux ;-) | 10:09 |
| va7lnx | I even do my school work in Linux and import it into Visual Studio when I've tested it. | 10:10 |
| va7lnx | VS is a disaster. | 10:10 |
| va7lnx | we're doing simple single file programs. doing that in VS is like taking a 747 from home to school. | 10:10 |
| va7lnx | it's just not the right tool. | 10:10 |
| ejr | i'm glad i'm so removed from everything MS that i don't even know what Visual Studio is exactly :D | 10:10 |
| va7lnx | gnu C++ is. | 10:10 |
| va7lnx | it's Microsoft's IDE for C++, C#, Python, whatever else they have. | 10:11 |
| ejr | gotcha | 10:11 |
| va7lnx | the only IDE I need is Vim and g++ or clang | 10:11 |
| va7lnx | well, for the first time in about 2 years, I don't need to get up at 7am for church. | 10:15 |
| ejr | why not? | 10:16 |
| va7lnx | because I'm not running the sound system this week. | 10:16 |
| va7lnx | next week, however, it's back on :P | 10:16 |
| ejr | nice :) but then nobody is going to hear the preacher's voice, right? | 10:17 |
| va7lnx | someone else is working the console. | 10:17 |
| va7lnx | hopefully he's learned how we want things mixed. it's not easy to mix a full band. | 10:18 |
| ejr | yes, a friend of mine, who is a musician and also does that kind of stuff, often cringes when we are at a place where the sound is mixed horribly | 10:19 |
| va7lnx | ejr: I could always put a CF card into an adapter for the T41. | 10:33 |
| va7lnx | I even have one | 10:35 |
| ejr | yeah, but cf cards are not comparable to SATA SSDs in terms of speed afaik | 10:35 |
| va7lnx | no. but I can still get them, unlike IDE hard drives. | 10:36 |
| ejr | ah, right. retrocomputing :P | 10:37 |
| va7lnx | apparently I can get 40GB IDE hard drives still | 10:37 |
| va7lnx | amazon is amazing sometimes. | 10:37 |
| ejr | yeah, there are even ide ssds I think, but they are not as good as SATA ones obviously. or you can use some kind of adapter, i think | 10:37 |
| va7lnx | no space for the adapter | 10:37 |
| va7lnx | https://www.amazon.ca/Transcend-PSD330-2-5-inch-Internal-Solid/dp/B00AQT2LCU/ref=sr_1_15?ie=UTF8&qid=1549186661&sr=8-15&keywords=ide+ssd | 10:39 |
| va7lnx | limited by the IDE bus at that point | 10:39 |
| ejr | yeah, I've played around with those ideas for a while, but as i said, in the end i sold the bigger ibm thinkpads and got some more X60 thinkpads :) plus ultrabases into which you can also put an extra ssd/hdd with an adaptor for the ultrabay slim disc caddy. | 10:40 |
| va7lnx | yeah. that's what I've done with the T61. | 10:42 |
| va7lnx | SSD for the main drive. Spindle in the CD tray | 10:42 |
| ejr | i gotta debug the tor problem i have on ceres now. ttyl | 10:44 |
| va7lnx | ttyl | 10:45 |
| ejr | (you don't happen to run ceres?) | 10:45 |
| va7lnx | no. I'm running ASCII right now. | 10:46 |
| va7lnx | well, 2am. bedtime I guess | 10:51 |
| ejr | what could be the reason that i cannot launch tor on devuan ceres? it works fine on my other devuan (ascii) installation on another system.i always get the error that it cannot bind to 127.0.0.1:9050 and 9051 even though netstat does not show the ports being used | 12:00 |
| va7lnx | you don't have anything like selinux running in enforcing mode? | 12:01 |
| ejr | not that i know of, though i dont know how to check that | 12:04 |
| ejr | i can't remember installing or launching it | 12:04 |
| ejr | i also cannot bind to it with socat, so i am sure it's related to devuan, not tor (already asked in #tor as well) | 12:06 |
| va7lnx | can you bind to ::9050 ? | 12:07 |
| KatolaZ | ejr: what is the exact error you get? | 12:07 |
| va7lnx | I'm just wondering if its expecting an ipv6 address to bind to. ::127.0.0.1:9050 or ::1:9050 | 12:08 |
| ejr | http://paste.debian.net/1064756/ | 12:08 |
| KatolaZ | Failed to parse/validate config: Failed to bind one of the listener ports. | 12:09 |
| ejr | va7lnx: the command i tried wiht 9050 and 9051 is socat tcp-listen::9050,bind=127.0.0.1,reuseaddr - | 12:09 |
| KatolaZ | it looks like your config has an issue? | 12:09 |
| ejr | Katolaz: it is exactly the same torrc as that of my other machine, and I also already tried an empty torrc, without success | 12:09 |
| KatolaZ | ejr: are you sure it is using the torrc you are providing? | 12:10 |
| va7lnx | and can you run it with higher verbosity? | 12:11 |
| ejr | KatolaZ: yes, i already point to it with -f /etc/tor/torrc | 12:11 |
| ejr | (trying to figure out how to get it more verbose currently) | 12:13 |
| KatolaZ | and you have a SocksPort 9050 in there, right? | 12:13 |
| KatolaZ | ejr: Log debug stderr | 12:13 |
| salsbury | ejr: what are the permissions on /etc/tor/torrc ? | 12:14 |
| KatolaZ | and you should disable RunAsDaemon | 12:14 |
| ejr | 12 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9676 Feb 3 11:14 torrc | 12:15 |
| ejr | RunAsDaemon is set to 0 | 12:15 |
| KatolaZ | ejr: then Log debug stderr | 12:15 |
| ejr | i have set that option now, but where exactly to the log messages go now? dmesg? | 12:17 |
| ejr | one sec, rebooting. i just deinstalled apparmor, maybe that's causing the problem | 12:17 |
| furrymcgee | Is AppArmor anything good? | 12:21 |
| ejr | i dunno, but now my system is running wild while booting. it seems to be caught in some sort of infinite loop because of tor (giving constant messages about failed tor circuit builds) | 12:22 |
| ejr | is there any way to interrupt a service that is trying to launch while booting? because i cannot even get into the console now | 12:23 |
| ejr | it obviously cannot connect to tor yet because the machine isnt online yet, but there seems to be nothing that stops it from trying to launch tor | 12:23 |
| ejr | alright, fixed. tor works now.it was due to apparmor. | 12:31 |
| Latrina | good afternoon guys | 14:46 |
| Latrina | a quick question. Is there any repo for installing latest 0.14 lxqt ? | 14:47 |
| Latrina | the one available in ascii is a bit old, sadly. | 14:47 |
| * enyc meows | 14:53 | |
| * enyc has Devuan-Ascii unbootable ;-(... its constantly trying to cryptsetup a disk at boot that no longer exists, not important for the devuan system itself | 14:54 | |
| enyc | the cryptsetup for the devuan ascii rootfs opens ok | 14:54 |
| enyc | but it keeps oin oorunh in look trying to mount all the other fs etc.... | 14:54 |
| enyc | any $clue how to break out of this? | 14:55 |
| enyc | 'EVENTUALLY it times out and gets to (initramfs) but if you 'exit' you get round same loop again | 14:55 |
| enyc | at some point i mounted root mantually from there, mounted /boot into it, /dev /proc /sys via rbind into it... commented out extra entries in /etc/crypttab , and did update-initramfs -c [version] ....... | 14:56 |
| enyc | but this doesn't seem to have fixed it, sOMEHOW it still sees somehow critical-devices, that ... aren't. | 14:56 |
| ejr | Latrina: did you check the backports? | 14:59 |
| Latrina | ejr: no to be frank | 15:02 |
| Latrina | what is the repo? | 15:02 |
| Latrina | ceres apparently has lxqt 0.14 | 15:03 |
| Latrina | though I am not sure how unstable it is | 15:04 |
| ejr | i think you need to add either ascii-backports or ceres-backports to your sources.list and install it from there, not sure which one though. maybe someone else knows. you could also check the debian instructions for their backports, they are pretty well documented. just exchange their sid/whatever for ceres I think | 15:04 |
| Latrina | yeah found it, thanks | 15:05 |
| Latrina | last question. Is it safe to use ceres backports on ascii? | 15:05 |
| enyc | AHA turns out i'd made a mistake when update-initramfs or mkinitramfs, put - rather than . in kernel erison and got wrong file | 15:06 |
| Latrina | :) | 15:07 |
| enyc | AHA got devuan ascii booted finally | 15:10 |
| Latrina | can't find ceres backports though | 15:13 |
| Latrina | ascii backports does not cointain lxqt 0.14 | 15:13 |
| fsmithred | ceres=sid=unstable | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | no backports there | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | trying to use a whole desktop environment from ceres on ascii probably will not work | 15:16 |
| fsmithred | what's special about that version of lxqt? | 15:17 |
| Latrina | fsmithred: nothing in particular I guess. I just wanted to have it that is all | 15:17 |
| Latrina | I guess I will pass on the deal and play safe :) | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | install ceres on a test box or in a VM | 15:18 |
| fsmithred | then you can play all you want | 15:18 |
| Latrina | will give it a go for sure. Thanks man | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | enyc, run: lsinitramfs /initrd.img | egrep "cryptroot|resume" | 15:23 |
| fsmithred | you might need to remove one or both of those files from the initrd | 15:24 |
| fsmithred | Latrina, which lxqt package were you checking for version? | 15:28 |
| fsmithred | for lxqt metapackage I see 13 in ascii and 27 in beowulf/ceres | 15:29 |
| Latrina | fsmithred: I was referring to the entire desktop dependecies | 15:36 |
| Latrina | ceres has got the latest 0.14 for the entire desktop | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | I believe desktops are now working on beowulf/ceres because of new policykit | 15:37 |
| Latrina | while ascii uses 0.11, which IMO is a bit too old | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | what package name? | 15:37 |
| Latrina | https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=lxqt&release=ascii | 15:37 |
| fsmithred | just lxqt shows me whole number versions | 15:37 |
| Latrina | they are all on 0.11 | 15:38 |
| Latrina | so the desktop itself is 0.11 | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | ok, that's a little weird. lxqt and lxqt-core are 13 but lxqt-session (and others) are 0.11 | 15:41 |
| fsmithred | and in beowulf/ceres those numbers are 27 and 0.14 | 15:41 |
| fsmithred | I don't understand their math | 15:42 |
| enyc | fsmithred: coo ok | 15:43 |
| enyc | fsmithred: not at the machine right now but will look later!. | 15:43 |
| Latrina | fsmithred: yeah and I seen the same going for plasma 5 in ascii | 15:49 |
| Latrina | it uses plasma-desktop 5, however most of the deps and kdeapps are from plasma 4 | 15:49 |
| Latrina | I remember I had the same setup on gentoo while the devs were getting plasma desktop all moved to 5 | 15:50 |
| fsmithred | I shouldn't complain - devuan's had some crazy numbers, too. | 15:51 |
| nailyk | hi all. For information, I attempted an ecnrypted install of ascii yesterday (with refractainstaller) and it totaly failed. Would you like a proper issue on this or are you already aware of it ? | 15:51 |
| nailyk | (don't care cause refracta need a proper rewrite answer accepted too :p ) | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | what did you do? | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | it should have worked (unless you were trying to do lvm) | 15:53 |
| nailyk | no lvm. | 15:53 |
| fsmithred | what happened? | 15:53 |
| nailyk | but initrd link was borken, and dm-crypt entry was missing into /etc/modules too | 15:54 |
| nailyk | (generated initrd was /boot/initrd) and a symlinked to /boot/initr-d.4-9.0.6-foo-bar | 15:54 |
| fsmithred | was this with the ascii desktop-live iso? | 15:55 |
| nailyk | but grub.cfg was created with the symlink as a target (/boot/initrd-4-9.0.6-foobar)) | 15:55 |
| nailyk | minimal live, yes | 15:55 |
| fsmithred | ok, I'll have to try it today | 15:55 |
| nailyk | no rush. BTW I selected UUID instead of phyz names | 15:56 |
| fsmithred | are you testing, or are you trying to install it to use the system? | 15:56 |
| nailyk | trying to use it | 15:56 |
| fsmithred | ok, you might try the latest version of the installer | 15:56 |
| nailyk | was able to solve but has too much problem for a daily driver laptop. So back on xubuntu for nom :( | 15:56 |
| nailyk | s/nom/now/ | 15:56 |
| fsmithred | in ceres repo or from my sourceforge site | 15:57 |
| nailyk | dunno, downloaded yesterday from : https://devuan.c3l.lu/devuan_ascii/minimal-live/devuan_ascii_2.0.0_amd64_minimal-live.iso | 15:57 |
| nailyk | not related fsmithred I made the PR about the password yesterday. Tested while installing. Should be ok unless it is an infinite loop | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | yeah, there are newer versions of refractainstaller | 15:57 |
| fsmithred | than what is in the live isos | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | and I made some changes around the initrd stuff related to encryption | 15:58 |
| KatolaZ | nailyk: which problem with minimal-live? | 15:58 |
| fsmithred | problem with encrypted install | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | symlink for initrd.img was wrong? | 15:59 |
| nailyk | yes | 15:59 |
| fsmithred | not sure how that would happen (it's pretty old code) | 15:59 |
| nailyk | ok | 16:00 |
| nailyk | next time I tries, I will ask you for latest version then :) | 16:00 |
| KatolaZ | nailyk: the name of the initrd in minimal-live is different from desktop-live I guess | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | oh, if that's the case, the name should go in the config file | 16:28 |
| fsmithred | or maybe I'm thinking of refractasnapshot | 16:29 |
| fsmithred | nailyk, next time run 'refractainstaller -d' and you'll get a more verbose log. | 16:29 |
| nailyk | ok | 16:30 |
| nailyk | KatolaZ: probably yes, thats why, next time, I will ensure using latest version | 16:31 |
| KatolaZ | nailyk: it's latest version | 16:31 |
| KatolaZ | only, the initramfs file has a different name in minimal-live | 16:31 |
| fsmithred | latest version of the installer, not the iso | 16:31 |
| KatolaZ | oh ok | 16:31 |
| KatolaZ | soryr | 16:31 |
| nailyk | or I will use debootstrap again to prevent issues xD | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | nailyk, do you have a separate partition for /boot? | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | lol | 16:33 |
| nailyk | yes, made a /boot of 512M | 16:33 |
| nailyk | at first, I didn't realized that symlink error | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | ok, that should work. I guess it's just the name problem. | 16:33 |
| nailyk | but having initrd.img as real file and initrd.img-4.9.0.6 as symlink looked weird | 16:33 |
| fsmithred | huh? | 16:34 |
| nailyk | ok. I am trying to solve some dedicated servers errors then I will give another shot | 16:34 |
| nailyk | I guess it was the original issue | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | ok | 16:34 |
| fsmithred | I really want to see the debug log on this | 16:34 |
| nailyk | grub wasn't able to find the initrd file, because the real one was /boot/initrd.img, and the grub.cfg was for /boot/initrd.img.4.9.0.6 | 16:35 |
| nailyk | as the symlink was: /boot/initrd.img.4.9.0.6 -> /boot/initrd.img, grub cannot find it (no /boot into grub loader, it is / only) | 16:35 |
| nailyk | maybe a relative symlink would have do the trick | 16:36 |
| nailyk | but realized after runing rm -rf /boot/initrd* .... | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | um, that's the way it is in the iso | 16:39 |
| nailyk | oh you are right, it is the same here: | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 Feb 1 01:11 initrd.img-4.9.0-8-amd64 -> /boot/initrd.img | 16:40 |
| fsmithred | KatolaZ, how did that happen? | 16:40 |
| nailyk | https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.nailyk.fr/rztpJqIGRdxRlahyBqMOyGvh | 16:41 |
| nailyk | but this one boots | 16:41 |
| nailyk | the laptop failed with /boot/initrd.img-4.9.0blabla not found | 16:41 |
| nailyk | fsmithred: log file: https://framadrop.org/r/tfDL4mZh2q#5vDvgbGGVIy/ndML26FTEYGj7Chs6zlrIu5jNaYih2A= | 16:52 |
| fsmithred | thanks | 16:52 |
| nailyk | and same result with installer from minimal live: https://framadrop.org/r/daVwIXnEIT#ybsJDGKMwuaMPLeRwW/5mCzKJm8E6N2+3YcU/Zd4bZs= | 16:52 |
| nailyk | thanks to you ! | 16:52 |
| nailyk | so replacing the symlink with the real file fix (partially) the issue | 16:54 |
| nailyk | as cryptsetup binary is still not included: https://framadrop.org/r/hTGHYezQjg#jVXipI/0p2l/o/UM4IiAiXv78SlHAR8NsSZtw8z9Q9w= | 16:55 |
| hashlog | openssh-server depends on libsystemd0. Is this a faked-package from devuan, or did I just install some piece of systemd on my system? | 16:55 |
| fsmithred | libsystemd0 is the real thing, but all it does is tell some packages that systemd is not running | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | I believe it will be replaced in the future. (maybe near future) | 16:58 |
| fsmithred | I don't see any errors in the installer log | 17:00 |
| nailyk | :facepalm: it is /etc/initramfs/modules, not /etc/modules I was talking about | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | but the screenshot suggests that grub got confused | 17:01 |
| fsmithred | for cryptsetup, now you should edit /etc/cryptsetup-initramfs/conf-hook and then run update-initramfs -u | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | set CRYPTSETUP=y | 17:02 |
| fsmithred | running 'CRYPTSETUP=y update-initramfs -u' still works, but you get a warning that it's deprecated. | 17:03 |
| nailyk | https://framadrop.org/r/oErDsIcYP0#1F7kGTeeqyQc6jTwKOXELECGTRm9Ye6nw9G1bU47n7g= | 17:03 |
| nailyk | now it works: https://framadrop.org/r/fsfnRPdw-Q#KyaQBgsIVjUqw0Zf1i/fdWfRUWBHaR+w57XYB0ShLXw= | 17:03 |
| nailyk | I am trying into a vm right now, just to reproduce and ensure I was not saying too many craps ;) | 17:04 |
| hashlog | fsmithred: thank you for the clarification. | 17:08 |
| fsmithred | yw | 17:09 |
| ejr | does anyone know how to permanently set the framebuffer resolution to a different value? right now, when i boot on my laptop only, it's at 1024x768, and when i attach a second bigger monitor to that device it cannot be changed to 1920x1080 (works only if the screen is already attached upon boot). that tells me it has to do with grub probably, or maybe some other basic console setting. any ideas where to find | 17:59 |
| ejr | and change those? | 17:59 |
| Hurgotron | ejr: It's been almost 20 years since I used these, so i don't know if there are other ways to do it. But I think yiou have to use the kernel command line and give it settings depending oin your hardware. | 18:07 |
| Hurgotron | See http://distro.ibiblio.org/fatdog/web/faqs/boot-options.html and https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/fb/ | 18:07 |
| hashlog | ejr: also you should take a look at early-kms loading | 18:08 |
| fsmithred | ejr, you can edit a line in /etc/default/grub to set the resolution | 18:08 |
| fsmithred | #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480 | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | looks like this works, too: GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD=1024x768 | 18:09 |
| Hurgotron | fsmithred: that's only valid for grub I guess, but not the kernel it boots. | 18:09 |
| hashlog | ejr: and look at the 'vga' kernel parameter https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/svga.txt | 18:09 |
| fsmithred | or press e at the boot menu and (or edit) set gfxpayload=1366x768 (or whatever your laptop uses) | 18:10 |
| fsmithred | Hurgotron, it seems to carry over to the whole system | 18:10 |
| enyc | fsmithred: coo, didin't know about lsinitramfs etc... | 18:10 |
| Hurgotron | fsmithred: I don't think I've seen that, but thta may be kernel and hardware dependent. | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it's nice to be able to look into the closed box | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | Hurgotron, try it with installer media - I have to give it the right resolution or the screen is scrambled | 18:11 |
| fsmithred | actually, that's not true - 640x480 works, but 800x600 doesn't | 18:13 |
| enyc | fsmithred: discovered mkinitramfs was somewhere keeping track of misakely-created initramfs's and that as confusing matters, htad to mkinitramfs -d the relevant error ... to then keep system happy and "dpkg-reconfigure cryptsetup" ;p | 18:13 |
| fsmithred | wow, enyc. I've never been there. | 18:13 |
| ejr | thanks for the answers guys, i will look into what you suggested so far. i don't really think editing the resolution at boot menu would be of much help; as i said, it does get the right resolution when the second monitor is attached at boot time. it just doesn't accept a higher resolution than that of the laptop screen when I attach an external monitor after startup | 18:14 |
| ejr | am reading the docs on kernel/boot options from Hurgotron right now to check, but I'm sure editing them after boot will not make higher resolutions available either. so i guess there is no way to achieve what i want | 18:15 |
| enyc | fsmithred: yes, i had ot re-instate the (since deleted) wrong-kerenl-version initramfs, then delete it .... ;p | 18:15 |
| * enyc tests reboot! | 18:15 | |
| fsmithred | ejr, you can create /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | might need to specify the driver to use and/or resolution | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | or try lxrandr | 18:16 |
| jonadab | `/w 56 | 18:16 |
| Latrina | fsmithred: is ascii still tied to any systend dependencies at all? | 18:16 |
| fsmithred | Latrina, just libsystemd0 I'm pretty sure | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | we have elogind and libpam-elogind now | 18:17 |
| Latrina | cool | 18:17 |
| fsmithred | eudev | 18:17 |
| ejr | fsmithred: no xserver here :) | 18:17 |
| Latrina | not sure what both alpine and gentoo do use as replacement of libsystemd | 18:18 |
| fsmithred | a replacement is a lot easier than rebuilding everything that wants lsd0 | 18:18 |
| enyc | fsmithred: not 100% certain but i think it was important i removed/commented no-longer-accessible entries in /etc/crypttab , then "dpkg-reconfigure cryptsetup" [which then updates initramfs's ...] | 18:24 |
| ejr | ok, now my fbset problem with the framebuffer resolution gets really strange. apparently there is /etc/fb.modes which contains the defined available modes for one's framebuffer. it has no 1920x1080 line at all. however, when i reboot with my big screen attached, the resolution can be set to 1920x1080 with fbset -xres and -yres. setting it to that value with fbset when the external monitor is NOT attached at | 18:27 |
| ejr | startup does not work though. | 18:27 |
| nailyk | Looks like quagga package is broken. Missing all the init files. Do you know where I can see the file list of the package please ? | 18:27 |
| enyc | fsmithred: as in this case, cryptroot still in use, just it was inissiting ot setitng up crypt disks at boot that are no longer present. you see =) | 18:28 |
| nailyk | my bad, may be not devuan specific: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/331664/quagga-stopped-working-after-updates-in-stretch | 18:31 |
| KatolaZ | nailyk: we haven't forked quagga | 18:54 |
| nailyk | yes, thinked about it after posting on IRC, sorry | 18:54 |
| KatolaZ | np nailyk | 18:55 |
| ejr | how can i get lo to function properly? as of now, it does not accept any connection to 127.0.0.1 unless i run ifconfig lo down && ifconfig lo up once | 19:10 |
| ejr | my interfaces contains "auto lo / iface lo inet loopback" | 19:10 |
| gnarface | ejr: i've never run into a problem with lo. what did you do to it? | 21:00 |
| gnarface | (i don't know if you figured out the monitor thing yet, but probably the tool you're looking for there is "xrandr") | 21:01 |
| gnarface | oh wait, unless this is a raspberry pi or something weird... | 21:01 |
| furrywolf | he's not running X | 21:02 |
| gnarface | oh, he said he's not even running xorg anyway, you're right. that means he'd have to specify it as a kernel parameter, unless it's ARM hardware or something, then all bets are off. | 21:03 |
| ejr | gnarface: i didn't do anything to lo, i just installed a minimum devuan ceres two days ago and added my wlan0 to interfaces. nothing else network-related. | 21:05 |
| ejr | as for the monitor problem: it's an i386 librebooted laptop but without X | 21:05 |
| gnarface | wlan0? maybe you did something to it with your dhcp configuration? | 21:05 |
| gnarface | does libreboot preclude grub? because unless it does, you should still be able to pass kernel parameters at boot. | 21:06 |
| ejr | i didn't change anything dhcp-related, just the typical iface wlan0 inet dhcp. | 21:07 |
| ejr | i do have grub installed, yes. | 21:07 |
| ejr | i will look into what kernel parameter i would need; thanks so far | 21:07 |
| gnarface | the kernel parameter is vga= | 21:07 |
| gnarface | it hooks into an old vesa feature that's implemented in most BIOSes traditionally since a few decades ago. i have no idea if libreboot will obey it or not. | 21:08 |
| gnarface | i have no idea if libreboot even can do this. | 21:08 |
| gnarface | i think it is possible for it not to be able to. | 21:08 |
| ejr | alright, we'll see :) | 21:09 |
| gnarface | also, whatever video card driver you're using may be limited to different resolutions outside of X than in it | 21:09 |
| gnarface | so try something modest first | 21:10 |
| gnarface | if it's a generic framebuffer driver, don't expect it to be hardware accelerated or be able to use all the features of the video card either | 21:11 |
| ejr | hmm, yes, if thats the case i might just live with not being able to plug in my second monitor randomly, but only on boot. it doesn't happen too often that i use it anyway | 21:12 |
| ejr | now, for something completely different: is there no way to download a package from the devuan website directly, when one has no access on the system one wants to install a package on? | 21:13 |
| ejr | talking about pkginfo.devuan.org | 21:14 |
| gnarface | i'm not really sure what you're asking | 21:22 |
| gnarface | the repo mirrors all support HTTP | 21:22 |
| ejr | yeah, but is there no way to download a package from the webbrowser instead of via apt-get? | 21:23 |
| gnarface | false | 21:23 |
| gnarface | which part are you having problems with? | 21:23 |
| gnarface | use pkginfo isn't a repo. it's just a search tool someone put together hastily to fill the need. you should be able to connect to a repo mirror with any browser | 21:25 |
| gnarface | or with curl or wget | 21:25 |
| gnarface | or even netcat, if you're clever | 21:25 |
| gnarface | try pkgmaster.devuan.org instead | 21:26 |
| ejr | ah great, thx | 21:27 |
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