libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2019-01-26

Xenguywatchcat: well YUMI uses linux for one thing, under windows03:41
golinuxThat doesn't sound at all YUMI.  More like heartburn and indigestion03:46
Xenguy"If variety is the spice of life, then why is it giving me indisgestion?" ; -)03:47
Xenguy*indigestion03:47
* Xenguy takes off to get some variety...03:48
roo^ywho's she?03:53
LeanderI suppose it's https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-multiboot-usb-creator/05:25
roo^yi heard installing ubuntu14.04LTS (unless it was 16.04LTS) automatically put a swap partition on the HDD. Does devuan's installer offer/recommend using swap?10:29
gnarfaceit can, depending on the options you choose during installation10:30
roo^yi see10:30
gnarfaceit's basically the same installer as debian10:30
gnarfaceunless you use the live image.... that's got an installation feature but it has limited flexibility compared to the other installers10:30
roo^ythanks10:32
roo^yoff topic, but your name reminds me of a youtube clip from a movie 'scarface quits his job' (rude language). It inspired a song by Illy, called Swear Jar (also bad language)10:32
roo^ywell that's what the clip was called, not the movie's name10:32
gnarfacehehe, i'll look it up, thanks10:33
roo^y:) great10:33
shnapsHi there. If anyone inerested, I managed to run live devuan iso10:50
fsmithredshnaps, if you're going to install from the desktop-live, take a look at the install guide: https://devuan.org/os/documentation/install-guides/live-gui.html10:52
shnapsIf it different comparing to other installs?10:53
fsmithredyes, it's not the debian-installer that everyone knows and loves10:53
fsmithred(or hates)10:54
shnapsAlso, when I been running live, after it logged in, x11/xfce4 haven't started. And I started it manually10:54
fsmithredoh, that's odd10:55
shnapsAlso, when I created new session, I got strange message that this was 6 session of user devuan created10:55
shnaps6th*10:56
shnapsSo I guess I'm gonna take a look at start log. Gonna google how to do it, not sure where to start10:57
fsmithredlook in /var/log/syslog10:58
fsmithredrun dmesg10:58
fsmithredalso /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors10:59
shnapsGood call, thanks! Restarting again11:01
shnapsWell, tried couple more times, they went normal. And even started xfce for me11:17
shnapsAnd logs are fine11:17
shnapsNot sure what problem I had 1 time11:18
gnarfacealso check dmesg right after it fails maybe11:32
gnarfaceoh he said that11:32
gnarfaceyea, could be hardware related11:32
radulence84hello11:58
gnarfaceyo11:59
gnarfacedoh, too slow11:59
shnapsSo, I decided to take a brake for now. I got tired, lol12:44
heavenbreak13:59
heaven:-)13:59
fsmithredreturn 014:15
shnapsheaven: whelp, sorry, I'm no a native speaker. Sometimes shit happens, lol18:11
msiismdoes anyone happen to know if there is a current official website for the `pmount' utility? http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pmount seems to have vanished.19:35
msiismon second thoughts, it doesn't have to be `pmount' for me. i'm just looking for a relativey sane way of mounting removable media as a non-privileged user on the command-line.19:39
KatolaZmsiism: nice to see you here :)19:40
KatolaZmsiism: it looks like they have not moved the pmount repo to salsa.debian.org yet19:42
msiismKatolaZ: hello :). ok, i see. well, there is a git repo linked at ubuntu's launchpad. seems like that's the canonical location now. it's git://anonscm.debian.org/git/pmount/pmount.git.19:46
msiismhttps://tracker.debian.org/pkg/pmount even mentions "Problems while searching for a new upstream version". as it seems, it hasn't been fixed yet.19:49
KatolaZmsiism: anonscm has been discontnued19:57
msiismKatolaZ: yes, i'm seeing it now. i'll ask in #debian.19:58
KatolaZok19:58
ErRandirmsiism: I add an entry in /etc/fstab as root which uses the option 'user'. After that a normal user can mount it20:06
msiismErRandir: but that doesn't work well for randomly changing removable media, does it?20:09
msiismok, well `pmounts' "current" upstream source is, of course, in the deb-src package... getting that.20:11
KatolaZoh sure msiism20:14
msiismErRandir: also, having to add an entry to fstab as root would kind of defeat the purpose of what i'm trying to do: allow non-privileged users to mount thngs.20:15
KatolaZI thought you wanted the git repo20:15
KatolaZmsiism: with pmount that's quite straightforward20:15
KatolaZjust add the user to the plugdev group20:15
msiismKatolaZ: i mean, it's the one from 2010. yes, i actually wanted the git repo. but the latest stabel is fine for now.20:15
msiismstable*20:15
KatolaZok20:16
msiismi need to build it from source on another distro.20:17
msiismlet's see how this goes...20:19
fsmithredmsiism, there's also udevil for mounting removable media20:54
msiismfsmithred: right, i remeber that. however, i wonder if that is recommendable. debian's package description says "udevil mounts and unmounts removable devices and network shares without requiring a password (set suid)".21:01
msiismi think pmount doesn't do that.21:04
msiismsetuid, i mean21:04
fsmithrednot sure. pmount doesn't ask for a password, but you have to list the devices in /etc/pmount.allow21:06
fsmithredpmount will ask for passphrase for encrypted volumes21:07
fsmithredI have very little experience with udevil. I tried it once, and it works, but I've stuck with pmount.21:07
msiismwell pmount.allow isn't strictly needed, afaik.21:09
msiismright, it isn't (just checked the manual page)21:11
msiismunfortunately, pmount doesn't build on my other system. there's some variable definition error in one of it's source files. so, let's learn C then...21:12
msiisms/it's/its21:12
fsmithredoh, just internal drives need to be in pmount. I forgot about that.21:13
fsmithredYou might not need to learn c to fix the error. Be hopeful.21:14
fsmithredhow well do you trust the people who will use this? Enough to give them 'sudo mount'?21:15
msiismhm... well it's only gonna be me who uses that feature.21:32
msiismstill i was looking for a generally applicable solution. i believe pmount is that solution. it only needs a bit of works. well, it works on devuan already, at least.21:36
fsmithredI like pmount. I've used it in some scripts. (older versions of refracta2usb)21:37
msiismhave you ever noticed pmount having problems (hanging) when you try to complete paths with tab?21:38
fsmithredno, but I haven't done it manually in a long time.21:38
ejris it possible to install npm in devuan ascii? when i try to, i get dependency conflicts.21:39
fsmithredin jessie, it's scripted and attached to a panel button.21:39
msiismfsmithred: ok, good idea. i don't have a pnael, however. but, for example, the xfe file manager can be configured to use pmount for mounting removable media.21:40
fsmithredejr, what error messages?21:40
fsmithredmsiism, so can spacefm21:40
fsmithredI use that when I'm running openbox.21:41
ejrfsmithred: a list of node-XXXXX programs of which  the version does not fit21:41
ejrand: broken packages21:41
msiismfsmithred: oh, right, spacefm. need to look at that again.21:41
fsmithredcan you paste your sources.list somewhere?21:41
fsmithred(not here, or you'll get auto-bounced)21:41
msiismi'm just realizing: pmount now also removes the mount point after unmounting the device. very neat. it seems like debian has applied a few patches. the verison jessie was 0.9.23-3+b2, in stretch, it's +b2.21:43
ejrhttps://pastebin.com/GaR99ByN21:43
msiismwas +b1 in jessie, i mean21:43
fsmithredejr, unless you picked up some conflicting libraries from videolan, I don't see a problem.21:45
fsmithreddo you know what you installed from there?21:45
kekePowerhi folks21:45
kekePowerwondering if you could give me a hand21:46
ejri have vlc and vlc-nox installed afaik21:46
kekePowerif you have mplayer installed, can you please run "mplayer -version"?21:46
fsmithreddon't ask to ask, just ask. And stay logged in - your answer may come in minutes, hours or sometimes longer21:46
ejrhere is the entire error message I get when trying to install npm: https://pastebin.com/fJ6SuAeV21:46
ejrmplayer: 1.3.021:47
kekePowerejr: thanks21:47
kekePowerejr: is that the whole line?21:47
ejrkekePower: no, I also get the error message about unknown option if that's what you are wondering about21:48
kekePowerejr: I know. Just the last line.21:48
kekePowerI'm trying to debug mps-youtube when running mplayer built from svn21:49
kekePower"MPlayer SVN-2.r38122.1.intelsb.mga7.tainted-8.2.1 (C) 2000-2019 MPlayer Team"21:49
fsmithredejr, you could try installing with 'aptitude install npm' and see if it gives you some better options.21:49
fsmithredOH!21:50
fsmithredit wants to install the ascii version of nodejs, but it's too old. Add ascii-backports to sources.list, update and...21:50
ejrkekePower: my mplayer is built with gcc-6.2.1 if that helps21:51
fsmithredapt-get -t ascii-backports install nodejs (and whatever else)21:51
ejrfsmithred:ok, will try,one sec21:51
fsmithredI guess you should take npm from backports, too21:51
fsmithredmaybe just try that one first21:51
fsmithredit should pull whatever it needs from bpo21:51
ejrfsmithred: yes, that solved it, both nodejs and npm work now :) thanks!21:54
fsmithred:)21:54
shnapsOkay guys, I need some help before I'll install devuan. Which init system to use? Sysv, openrc or runit? Not sure which of them I should choose22:46
KatolaZshnaps: what have you used before?22:47
shnapsWell, systemd :/22:47
KatolaZthen just start with sysv, maybe22:48
shnapsIs it fine for start?22:48
shnapsI been adviced to use openrc, actually. Couple friends of mine used it in gentoo. And when I asked them about it, they just told me "Just do it"22:51
DonkeyHoteiopenrc is the default on gentoo, which also offers systemd as an option instead22:53
izh_Hi, if you install xdm and make it the default display manager: it will say "Welcome to Devuan" but shows the Debian logo on the rigth side :)22:57
gnarfacehehe22:57
izh_i suspect nowadays nobody except me is still using it22:59
gnarfaceactually i'm still using it23:01
gnarfacei'm pretty sure it's a known issue, but if it's bugging you, the correct thing to do would be to log it at bugs.devuan.org... someone will get to it eventually23:02
gnarface(the word "Debian" and it's logo show up in a bunch of places still throughout the distro.  they didn't really intend it to be rebranded like this)23:02
gnarfacethe places where that actually causes functionality problems should have all been fixed by now in ascii though, afaik23:03
shnapsDonkeyHotei: so, what should I do? Stick with sysv?23:03
gnarfaceshnaps: nobody wants to commit to a specific advised choice here, but i'll do it.  yes, stick with sysv.  especially because you don't know any better, and you know you don't know any better.  that's the best reason to stick with the default.23:05
shnapsGood call, got it. Thanks!23:06
izh_gnarface: it is not really bugging me because i see it maybe once in a month when i have to reboot my box... but i glad to see i'm not alone23:06
gnarfaceizh_: the stuff you really gotta watch out for is where certain tools like reportbug and debootstrap were hardcoded to accept a specific list of valid distro names which didn't include devuan23:07
gnarfaceizh_: like i said though, most of that type of stuff should be fixed already23:07
gnarfacebut if you ever had a problem getting debootstrap from debian to install devuan, that's why23:08

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