se7en | gnarface: it booted right | 00:06 |
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se7en | Now maybe you can help me figure out why my loopback address doesn't automatically come up | 00:07 |
se7en | gnarface? | 00:08 |
gnarface | se7en: hooraaay! | 00:09 |
gnarface | se7en: sizes of everything is correct? | 00:09 |
se7en | looks like it | 00:09 |
se7en | pm | 00:09 |
gnarface | the loopback thing is probably just a missing line from your /etc/hosts or /etc/network/interfaces file | 00:09 |
se7en | It's all done now | 00:37 |
se7en | Does anyone have experience with torsocks? | 00:37 |
se7en | I still have the issues I sent the ML | 00:38 |
se7en | gnarface: my power button only turns off the computer when my lid is closed | 02:33 |
se7en | Howfix | 02:33 |
se7en | KatolaZ: | 02:33 |
gnarface | se7en: try "apt-get update && apt-get install task-laptop" | 02:34 |
se7en | I thought I already had that installed. Will see | 02:34 |
se7en | Yeah, it is | 02:34 |
se7en | is this a conf file issue? | 02:36 |
se7en | i tried looking through the power settings and it confused me | 02:36 |
gnarface | i'm not sure really | 02:37 |
gnarface | on desktop and server motherboards, there is often a relevant BIOS setting | 02:37 |
se7en | Ok | 02:38 |
se7en | I have to replace my wlan crd with a free-software equivilent | 02:38 |
se7en | will be back | 02:38 |
brand0n | hello | 02:39 |
gnarface | hello brand0n | 02:41 |
gnarface | best to just state your problem and hope someone can help | 02:42 |
rwp | Often suspend/hibernate/shutdown is controlled by the Desktop Environment. Config depends upon which DE is running. | 02:59 |
golinux | se7en: Make sure you have the backends to match your DE. Read the Release Note. It's in there. | 03:01 |
golinux | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 03:02 |
rwp | (Side Comment: For me I never liked laptops to suspend upon lid close. I'm probably just walking around with it. I don't want it to disconnect. I only suspend on Fn+Sleep.) | 03:03 |
se7en | Damn it. The hack to remove the thinkpad bios blocklist for unsigned minipci doesn't work on newer hardwarew | 03:07 |
se7en | And I currently lack the utilities to coreboot (which I will eventually) | 03:07 |
bgstack15 | g'day everybody. I think I have a gcc version issue and want to know if this makes sense. Devuan ascii, up to date. | 03:33 |
bgstack15 | error: ‘is_trivially_constructible_v’ is not a member of ‘std’ | 03:33 |
bgstack15 | g++ -std=c++17 | 03:34 |
bgstack15 | and it appears that the c++17 has the is_trivially_constructible_v in std::, so perhaps it's a gcc (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) 6.3.0 20170516 | 03:34 |
bgstack15 | problem? | 03:34 |
Jjp137 | I don't know C++ very well, but perhaps you should check this: https://gcc.gnu.org/projects/cxx-status.html#cxx17 | 03:36 |
Jjp137 | wait that looks more like a C++11 feature? idk then. | 03:38 |
bgstack15 | Thanks so far. I'm reading the link. I have absolutely no idea about C++. I'm actually just trying to [work up to] build packages for myself. | 03:40 |
brand0n | yeah you may need to specify the particular standard library for that C++ spec revision that has it | 03:41 |
bgstack15 | I can change the Makefile to see if c++11 gets me farther down the target. I know that this project compiles decently on Fedora so I think it's a gcc or lib version. Or perhaps I'm missing a lib... | 03:41 |
bgstack15 | I installed build-essential and devscripts | 03:42 |
brand0n | cppreference says is_trivially_constructible_v has been in there since C++17 | 03:44 |
brand0n | what are you trying to compile | 03:44 |
buZz | bgstack15: fyi, there's a newer gcc in ascii-backports | 03:44 |
buZz | oh actually sorry, no there isnt? hmm | 03:45 |
Jjp137 | (...oh I completely missed the _v part sigh) | 03:45 |
Jjp137 | and no there isn't | 03:47 |
bgstack15 | freefilesync | 03:47 |
bgstack15 | ooh, i forgot about backports | 03:47 |
bgstack15 | i was using ceres for a while, no backports there that i'm aware of | 03:47 |
bgstack15 | i'm more of a fedora guy but i want to learn the devuan way to do things, for the main devuan reason | 03:48 |
Jjp137 | Fedora uses more recent versions of packages than Debian/Devuan in general afaik; Devuan is more focused on stability | 03:51 |
Jjp137 | at least when you compare the stable releases | 03:51 |
Jjp137 | there's backports, but not everything can be backported for various reasons | 03:51 |
bgstack15 | I tried "sudo apt-get -t ascii-backports install gcc" after enabling the repo (?) and doing an apt-get update | 03:52 |
bgstack15 | it did not offer any new gcc | 03:52 |
Jjp137 | after modifying sources.list, do apt-get update first | 03:53 |
Jjp137 | but even then I don't think there's a newer version of GCC in backports anyway | 03:53 |
bgstack15 | I tried that, and also tried it with a -t ascii-backports | 03:53 |
bgstack15 | OK | 03:53 |
bgstack15 | Ah, now I see buZz's second comment. | 03:54 |
buZz | yeah sorry for confusion, could have sworn :) | 03:54 |
bgstack15 | FreeFileSync is not a blocker for me to move forward on devuan, but it's a smaller project I wanted to start with, learning how to compile. | 03:54 |
buZz | maybe confused with jessie-backports | 03:55 |
bgstack15 | I wonder how Pale Moon will compile... | 03:55 |
bgstack15 | I am familiar with rsync, but sometimes I just want a simple gui like FreeFileSync. | 03:55 |
Jjp137 | there's grsync | 03:55 |
bgstack15 | Thank you, I will check out grsync. I guess tomorrow I'll take a stab at compiling Pale Moon. That project recently rebased off a need for gcc 4.9 to accepting gcc 8... | 03:57 |
bgstack15 | Thanks everybody for the help tonight! | 03:57 |
Jjp137 | np :) | 03:58 |
Xenguy | I'm a bit frustrated because my OS here has decided to start implementing what I can only call power-saving features, even when I'm completely plugged-in... | 05:38 |
Xenguy | I don't know where this behavior came from either, as I did not change any configurations that I know of... | 05:38 |
Xenguy | This is 'stable' (ascii?) BTW | 05:39 |
Xenguy | So e.g. it is fading to a less bright setting, like after 15 seconds, which is pretty annoying | 05:39 |
Xenguy | No idea how to troubleshoot this as I don't know where it originated from | 05:40 |
Xenguy | I have to hit the sack soon, but thought I should mention it | 05:42 |
Criggie | are you using a laptop? Is it plugged in ? | 05:43 |
Xenguy | Yes and yes Criggie | 05:43 |
Criggie | sorry for asking obvuous, but we've all been there :) | 05:43 |
Xenguy | Battery indicator shows as such also | 05:44 |
Xenguy | Of course | 05:44 |
Xenguy | Thank you for showing any interest in my dilemma at all : -) | 05:45 |
Criggie | yeah trying to think of what else to suggest | 05:45 |
Xenguy | Me too, very random | 05:45 |
Xenguy | I've checked: System > Preferences > Hardware > Power Management | 05:48 |
Xenguy | I don't get the sense it's the same system that is producing the random/unexpected behavior tho | 05:48 |
Xenguy | Changing a couple of settings there now, for 'battery' state | 05:50 |
Xenguy | just to test | 05:50 |
Xenguy | Note that I am plugged in, so 'battery state' should not apply | 05:52 |
Xenguy | Well I unchecked a couple of 'dimming' options in the area I mentioned... | 05:54 |
Xenguy | And now things seem to have appeared to normal, so I'm now wondering if there is some kind of bug that is misinterpreting a plugged-in state for a battery state | 05:55 |
Xenguy | Anyhow, not sure, bit of a mystery | 05:55 |
Xenguy | This is a MATE desktop | 05:56 |
Xenguy | on Ascii | 05:56 |
cinch | "configure: WARNING: No package 'libsystemd' found." Excellent. :) | 06:35 |
watchcat | Xenguy: i don't even install mate power mgmt, screensaver, notifications daemon, all that crap. | 07:45 |
* man_in_shack looks around | 13:26 | |
man_in_shack | fun little problem in xfce here, if i try mounting a filesystem, i get "not authorised to perform this operation" | 13:27 |
man_in_shack | but if i mount it with udiskctl from terminal, it asks for a password and mounts | 13:27 |
amesser | it should not ask | 13:27 |
amesser | seems your session management is not properly installed | 13:27 |
amesser | can you please check which polkit packages are installed | 13:28 |
man_in_shack | i have policykit-1-gnome installed | 14:22 |
man_in_shack | lightdm | 14:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | LOL!!! >> “Michael Biebl, long-time maintainer of systemd for Debian (2010 or earlier, based on changelog.Debian.gz), is taking undetermined holidays from packaging it.” “Will stop maintaining systemd in debian for a while. What's going on is just too stupid/crazy.”<< ( [DNG] Debian dev takes a break from packaging systemd 22 Jan 2019 00:08:42 From: wirelessduck--- via Dng <dng@lists.dyne.org> ) | 14:23 |
amesser | man_in_shack: sure, but there are other, i'm referring to the libpolkit packages. Can you please run the following command and post its output: | 14:24 |
amesser | $ apt list --installed | grep polkit | 14:25 |
man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/0CZ359J | 14:26 |
Wonka | funny that policykit-1 in stable has a larger version than policykit-1 in unstable... | 14:26 |
Wonka | also, policykit-1 is uninstallable in unstable because of missing dependencies | 14:27 |
Wonka | in testing too | 14:27 |
man_in_shack | who does what now? | 14:29 |
amesser | ok, you're polkit is installed for consolekit session mangement. Can please addittionally check: | 14:29 |
amesser | $ apt list --installed | grep consolekit | 14:29 |
amesser | $ apt list --installed | grep elogin | 14:29 |
man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/2XB6DNY so i have elogind installed. i should also have the polkit backend for it then? | 14:31 |
amesser | ah i see, that is the problem | 14:31 |
amesser | when elogind and consolekit are installed at the same time, consolekit becomes broken | 14:32 |
man_in_shack | fun | 14:32 |
amesser | you have two possibilities: | 14:32 |
amesser | either remove all elogind packages | 14:32 |
amesser | or remove cosolekit packages and install for all libpolkit*consolekit the corresponding libpolkit*elogind packages | 14:33 |
man_in_shack | i know something i wanted to try wanted elogind so i'll probably just switch to that | 14:36 |
amesser | yep | 14:38 |
amesser | elogind is dependencies on several packages | 14:38 |
man_in_shack | thanks amesser, that did the trick :) | 14:38 |
amesser | you're welcome :-) | 14:38 |
man_in_shack | now, lightdm is still autologging in when i log out | 14:39 |
man_in_shack | but i suppose that's ok | 14:39 |
man_in_shack | i don't actually have other users :P | 14:40 |
amesser | hmm, sounds also strange :-) | 14:45 |
amesser | I'm also using lightm | 14:46 |
amesser | maybe have a look at /etc/lightdm/lightdm.conf | 14:46 |
Beerbelott | Hello | 15:14 |
Beerbelott | Err:3 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii-security/main amd64 apt amd64 1.4.9 | 15:14 |
Beerbelott | 404 Not Found [IP: 2001:878:346::116 80] | 15:14 |
Beerbelott | Hmmm? | 15:14 |
Wonka | https://justi.cz/security/2019/01/22/apt-rce.html | 15:59 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: there was a bug in apt which allowed remote code execution | 16:09 |
KatolaZ | based on redirects | 16:09 |
KatolaZ | it's not possible to disable redirects for Devuan repos | 16:09 |
KatolaZ | so the safest thing would be to upgrade apt by downloading the deb | 16:09 |
KatolaZ | (if you don't trust devuan mirrors) | 16:10 |
Wonka | "apt download" would probably also be affected... | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | anything | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | I mentioned downloading manually | 16:10 |
Wonka | well, no. | 16:10 |
Wonka | anything using the http acquire method | 16:10 |
KatolaZ | oh sure | 16:11 |
KatolaZ | anything that interacts with the repo via http | 16:11 |
Wonka | browsing the repo with firefox (via https) would be ok, and downloading a fixed package | 16:11 |
Wonka | weeelll... anything that lets itself be manipulated with rogue Location: headers | 16:11 |
Wonka | I'd hope that would not work with wget | 16:12 |
Wonka | the rce depends on the http acquire method unquoting the Location header _and_ the caller getting confused by that, if I understand correctly | 16:13 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: I am sending an email to DNG as well | 16:13 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: devuan repos work on redirects | 16:13 |
KatolaZ | if you remove redirects, they just don't work | 16:14 |
Wonka | can't hurt to notify more people, yes | 16:14 |
Wonka | I'll manually acquire apt-method-https, verify that, install it, and change all my sources | 16:15 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 16:17 |
KatolaZ | why should you change sources? | 16:17 |
_abc_ | Hi. fsmithred ? apt-file list refracta2usb -> empty list. Is there a -doc package? Not yet? And hi. | 18:22 |
_abc_ | Same outcome for all the other installed refracta related packages, like -gui -base etc | 18:23 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: which repos are you using? | 18:26 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: apt-file update | 18:26 |
_abc_ | I did the update | 18:26 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: the ascii ascii-updates ascii-security ascii-backports plus the same source repos | 18:27 |
armin | https://thehackernews.com/2019/01/linux-apt-http-hacking.html | 18:28 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: apt-list will list the files in a package | 18:33 |
KatolaZ | given the package name | 18:33 |
KatolaZ | I guess that refracta2usb is a file, not a package? | 18:34 |
KatolaZ | there is no package with that name in the devuan repo | 18:35 |
_abc_ | It appears installed here, in aptitude, I think I imported it manually after fsmithred gave me a link to it. | 18:51 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: sorry was away, filled my piehole | 18:52 |
golinux | _abc_: It is in his sourceforge files | 18:53 |
_abc_ | golinux: I assume it was online outside the repos, I did not remember where. | 18:53 |
_abc_ | We can wait for him to chip in, I assume there is no proper info page (or manual page) yet | 18:53 |
golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/ | 18:54 |
_abc_ | apropos refracta comes up empty. Here we go, back to what we do best, read source code :) Hopefully with comments. | 18:54 |
golinux | Of course there is on the refracta.org website | 18:54 |
golinux | https://refracta.org/docs/readme.refracta2usb.txt | 18:54 |
golinux | https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/ | 18:55 |
golinux | _abc_: ^^^ | 18:56 |
_abc_ | I think he modified the official refracta? | 18:56 |
_abc_ | Or is it his in it's entirety | 18:56 |
golinux | I thought you were talking about refracta2usb | 18:56 |
golinux | It is his entirely | 18:56 |
golinux | He inherited it from meandean | 18:57 |
_abc_ | Ah. | 18:57 |
golinux | About 6 yyears ago | 18:57 |
golinux | At least the snapshot and installer | 18:58 |
golinux | The tools are probably his. | 18:58 |
_abc_ | Ok. | 19:00 |
golinux | He'll be around later. | 19:00 |
_abc_ | I might not be, I am broken. 2 gubmint offices queueing today, both with no results. | 19:01 |
_abc_ | 2morrow I go to a 3rd. | 19:02 |
_abc_ | Weekend is more likely. Meanwhile I'll re-read the docs. Thanks for the links golinux. | 19:02 |
golinux | YW | 19:06 |
fsmithred | ping _abc_ | 19:44 |
fsmithred | there are no doc packages for refracta tools. Check in /usr/share/docs or select Help from within the program where it's available. | 19:45 |
golinux | There is refracta2usb, no? | 19:46 |
golinux | the readme? | 19:46 |
fsmithred | yes, they all have readme files included | 19:51 |
fsmithred | but there is not refracta*-doc package | 19:51 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: I guess the problem is that _abc_ was trying to track down the package refracta2usb belonged to | 19:52 |
fsmithred | oh, ok. It is its own package but not in the repo. Maybe next version will go into the repo. | 19:53 |
KatolaZ | oki | 19:53 |
golinux | I explained that a bit and he understood | 19:54 |
_abc_ | Hi. Thanks for the tips. | 20:07 |
booyah | all debians can be hacked to get root on them trivially | 20:58 |
booyah | devuan already released that patches too? | 20:58 |
booyah | apt redirect exploit | 20:58 |
KatolaZ | booyah: the patches are in the repos already | 21:04 |
KatolaZ | see message on DNG | 21:04 |
KatolaZ | also posted here vefore | 21:04 |
KatolaZ | ~before | 21:04 |
KatolaZ | https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20190122.152406.07b05a4c.en.html | 21:05 |
KatolaZ | booyah: ^^^^ | 21:05 |
xrogaan | https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/CVE-2019-3462 | 21:17 |
xrogaan | You may want to do an upgrade :) | 21:17 |
* xrogaan is late | 21:17 | |
xrogaan | what is dng btw? | 21:19 |
fsmithred | devuan mailing list | 21:20 |
fsmithred | actually stands for (stood for?) debian's not gnome | 21:20 |
xrogaan | I understand the joke. | 21:21 |
armin | :) | 21:22 |
armin | helllooooo! | 21:22 |
armin | I actually got back to using gkrellm... | 21:22 |
armin | Even worse: under KDE. | 21:25 |
armin | is there a more recent kernel i can install and use on devuan ascii if this here is simply too old? 4.9.0-8-amd64 | 21:35 |
* golinux loves gkrellm. Workd fine on jessie. | 21:36 | |
gnarface | armin: there's a newer kernel in ascii-backports | 21:37 |
armin | gnarface: works like a charm, ty | 21:52 |
gnarface | no problem, armin | 21:59 |
_abc_ | I see that triggered a major update here, hope it will end well | 23:00 |
_abc_ | Killed it started over clean | 23:03 |
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