storm | hello | 00:34 |
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Bjornn | hello | 00:34 |
Bjornn | oops | 00:34 |
Guest72852 | Can I ask some question about freeze | 00:34 |
Bjornn | just shoot | 00:35 |
Bjornn | or say it | 00:35 |
Guest72852 | I am a new Devuan users | 00:35 |
Bjornn | congrats! you made a good choice! | 00:35 |
Guest72852 | thank you | 00:35 |
Guest72852 | But I lived a little problems my laptop was freeze twice | 00:36 |
Guest72852 | why could be ? How can I solved that | 00:36 |
Bjornn | it could be any number of things. | 00:36 |
Bjornn | what app was running? | 00:36 |
Bjornn | can you reproduce it? | 00:37 |
Guest72852 | first one brackets was running | 00:37 |
Guest72852 | and the second one youtube running on firefox | 00:38 |
Guest72852 | I removed brackets | 00:39 |
Bjornn | I would recommend trying to recreate the error before anyone could help | 00:40 |
Guest72852 | hope so then :) | 00:40 |
Guest72852 | but usually I like too much of Devuan and without systemd | 00:41 |
Bjornn | yes, that's why I use it too | 00:42 |
Bjornn | I don't like systemd | 00:42 |
Guest72852 | realy fast and perfect performance | 00:42 |
Bjornn | agree | 00:42 |
Guest72852 | I guess I need to use only free software whicjh is in the only devuan repository | 00:43 |
Guest72852 | is that true ? | 00:44 |
Guest72852 | thank you so much | 00:47 |
rwp | Freezing often means a failing ram dimm. Which is good because replacing the dimm will completely fix the problem. Try running memtest86 overnight to diagnose. | 00:48 |
Guest72852 | thank you rwp | 00:49 |
Guest72852 | I ll do it | 00:49 |
rwp | It can also be overheating. Try looking at the temperatures from acpi or sensors to see if it is getting too hot. The /var/log/kern.log or /var/log/syslog might have messages about overtemperatures. | 00:49 |
rwp | It might also be other machine check exception level problems. Install mcelog and see if it reports any MCE issues. | 00:50 |
rwp | Installing lm-sensors might help to look at temperatures. Or 'acpi -t'. | 00:52 |
gnarface | what is brakets? | 00:55 |
Guest72852 | coretemp 51 C | 00:55 |
gnarface | video card driver issues can cause freezes in Xorg too | 00:55 |
gnarface | especially with Nvidia | 00:55 |
Guest72852 | brackets is text editor like sublime | 00:55 |
gnarface | it doesn't use opengl does it? | 00:56 |
Guest72852 | I dont have Nvidia I have only intel gpu | 00:56 |
gnarface | it's a fully updated install, right? | 00:56 |
Guest72852 | yes thats right. | 00:56 |
gnarface | and to be clear, you say when it "freezes" it locks up completely, right? as in, becomes completely unresponsive? | 00:57 |
gnarface | and it doesn't unfreeze until a physical reboot, right? | 00:57 |
gnarface | we're not just talking about hitching and slow-downs, right? | 00:57 |
Guest72852 | yes thats true | 00:57 |
gnarface | ok | 00:57 |
gnarface | yea, probably a good idea to check into some hardware issues | 00:58 |
Guest72852 | ok I will do it thank you gnarface | 00:58 |
Guest72852 | thanks for your advice | 00:58 |
gnarface | if it's overheating you might be able to work around it by changing power management settings | 00:59 |
gnarface | but that usually means a dead fan or a clogged vent or something | 00:59 |
gnarface | memtest86 will show any memory errors, but the default tests only catch the most common major failures. there are some longer, slower tests (bit-fade and something else...) that are not run by default... make sure you run those too if you have the time | 01:00 |
Guest72852 | my laptop cpu core temps core0 53 C core 1 47 C now | 01:01 |
gnarface | (no sense in running them unless the first default test pass shows no errors though and you're still feeling suspicious about the ram) | 01:01 |
Guest72852 | ok then thank you so much | 01:01 |
Guest72852 | I am going to try but I need to go out | 01:02 |
gnarface | good luck | 01:02 |
Guest72852 | see you soon | 01:02 |
Guest72852 | thanks :) | 01:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if you were to interview Linus T for a magazine, what would you ask him? | 04:26 |
furrywolf | "How's your replacement for systemd coming along?" | 04:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | haha. Is there supposed to be any? | 04:27 |
furrywolf | not that I've heard of. | 04:27 |
DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: don't worry, I already somewhat covered this aspect, by >>I'd ask Linus where he sees Linux in 5 and in 10 years and if he thinks it will still be community-driven, considering how companies like RedHat etc shanghai ever larger core parts of the system and re-invent them poorly, outright rejecting the elementary Unix principles ("do one thing and do it right", "everything is a plaintext file" etc) and replacing those | 04:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | shanghaied parts by extremely complex huge mostly monolithic blobs which violate those Unix rules, that basically nobody in community could maintain or even just fully understand anymore. See sytemd and relatives (apropos systemd|wc -l ;=> 165) https://termbin.com/2bbvr << | 04:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'm really looking forward to his answer | 04:36 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nobody with relevant questions for Linus Torvalds? | 06:06 |
furrywolf | "So when are you getting with the program and switching from monolithic to microkernel?" | 06:08 |
furrywolf | "I've heard you're going on a hunting trip with lennert, and there might be an accident...?" | 06:12 |
furrywolf | "Is it true that the CoC is a plot to destroy linux?" | 06:13 |
Xenguy | DocScrutinizer05: Wut, is LT around? | 06:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | no | 06:15 |
Xenguy | How was that sensitivity training then, Mr. Torvalds? | 06:17 |
bora | hello every devuan users | 07:16 |
bora | I asked some question about devuan freeze and that some person said check memory test and then look after this results. Right now I am doing this so; anybody have any other advice about that ? | 07:19 |
bora | thank you so much | 07:20 |
gnarface | bora: you could try passing acpi=off as a boot option, too (someone else suggested that i believe) that'll disable some power management stuff that could be causing issues | 09:03 |
bora | ok thank you I ll try id | 09:04 |
bora | sorry it | 09:04 |
Guest43705 | hello dears can you say something about which computers are you using ? | 10:36 |
xkr47 | I have a Lenovo Thinkpad from 2011 | 11:24 |
xkr47 | and then virtual machines | 11:25 |
furrymcgee | there is devuan-arm https://devuan.org/os/ | 11:25 |
Guest43705 | hmm good | 11:25 |
Guest43705 | I am using thinkpad e450 since 2016 | 11:26 |
Guest43705 | is devuan usable of lenovo all thinkpads | 11:26 |
furrymcgee | please try and report bugs | 11:29 |
furrymcgee | it is considered to be a universal operation system | 11:30 |
rookie | hi @all | 13:35 |
KatolaZ | hi rookie | 13:36 |
rookie | im sry im new in irc | 13:39 |
rookie | hi katolaZ - i installed three monitors on three servers, all three monitors are running. then i tryed to install a manager, and failed (i used the manual from the ceph page) | 13:41 |
KatolaZ | rookie: what are we talking about? | 13:41 |
rookie | devuan looks unable to generate a authenticate key | 13:41 |
rookie | i used: ceph auth get-or-create mgr.$name mon 'allow profile mgr' osd 'allow *' mds 'allow *' | 13:42 |
djph | an authentication key for ... what? | 13:42 |
rookie | from the manual, but i timed out | 13:42 |
rookie | for a ceph manager, its needed to start the process | 13:43 |
djph | ah | 13:43 |
KatolaZ | oh | 13:43 |
KatolaZ | dunno anything about ceph, sorry | 13:43 |
rookie | i know its needed to run the comman ceph -s | 13:43 |
djph | could it be that you don't have enough entropy? | 13:44 |
rookie | ah shh. im on the wrong chatroom | 13:44 |
djph | always run into that when generating keys :) | 13:44 |
djph | hahah, oops :) | 13:44 |
rookie | sry sry sry | 13:44 |
rookie | have a good time maybe next time ;) | 13:44 |
r3boot | rookie: have a look at some kubernetes deployments for ceph. Those contain all magic voodoo commands you'll need to get it running (or, dig a lot of documentation) | 13:45 |
r3boot | Also, depending on the type of storage you need, minio might also be interesting (light-weight single-binary block storage layer with S3 api) | 13:46 |
rookie | ok! | 13:46 |
r3boot | minio is approx 100000000000000000000000000000000x more easy then ceph iig :) But it does miss things like volumes | 13:46 |
rookie | thanks for this infomation, at first i have to install ceph | 13:47 |
r3boot | wow, well, gl! | 13:48 |
rookie | we use that for nextcloud | 13:48 |
KatolaZ | rookie: if it's in a container, and you are trying to generate gpg material, you might not have enough entropy for that | 13:48 |
KatolaZ | hence the timeout | 13:48 |
KatolaZ | but again, I don't know ceph, and mine is just a general comment | 13:48 |
rookie | no prob, this chat rooms are more valuable than i thought before. i gonna adding a nextcloud room... | 13:49 |
r3boot | KatolaZ: ceph does a bootstrap thing with keys generated by ceph + used by ceph to sign operations done in ceph, which can break in clusters which dont (yet) have the keys | 13:50 |
rookie | thank you! | 13:50 |
KatolaZ | r3boot: then the timeour might well be due to a scarce source of entropy | 13:50 |
r3boot | Could be | 13:50 |
rookie | yes a kind of this is the problem. it needs a key line to start the process, and this one is missing | 13:50 |
KatolaZ | rookie: try to see if you can generate the keys off-line, e.g. in a host with enough entropy | 13:51 |
r3boot | rookie: just to check, you are following this page right? http://docs.ceph.com/docs/mimic/install/manual-deployment/ | 13:54 |
rookie | is exactly that page | 13:58 |
jyri | rookie: or just install haveged for enough entropy | 14:28 |
dormito | does devuan has the openrc networking pkg netifrc? | 15:46 |
fsmithred | jyri, thanks for mentioning haveged - I just figured out how to use it to get rid of the boot delay in live isos that run openssh-server. (delay happens when creating the host keys) | 18:50 |
se7en | I am finaly getting around to resizing my encrypted LVM, but I don't remember what the recomended size was for my root | 22:35 |
se7en | Was it 60? | 22:35 |
se7en | 60GB | 22:35 |
gnarface | se7en: depends really on what you're doing for it. i do recall you saying you had /usr at about 6GB and telling you that it should be more like 60GB | 22:40 |
gnarface | i think you said /usr and / were shared too? i advised against that | 22:41 |
gnarface | if you're just shuffling them all around... 2-5GB is plenty for / if it's *not* shared with /usr | 22:41 |
gnarface | similar with /var, and /tmp... unless you're doing something special, those should not need to be more than 2-5GB either | 22:42 |
gnarface | the boat load of stuff is going to go in /usr or /home depending on how much stuff your users install vs how much stuff your admins install | 22:42 |
gnarface | (i know this is probably late in the game to mention it, but if this seems all a lot of work for you and you're just doing this for a personal laptop, next time you can probably just safely put everything in the same partition for such a setup) | 22:43 |
se7en | gnarface: it is shared with /usr | 22:43 |
se7en | /var and /tmp are their own partitions | 22:43 |
se7en | But /usr is shared with / | 22:43 |
gnarface | yea, that's annoying. make it big then | 22:44 |
se7en | 60GB? | 22:44 |
gnarface | yea, that's a sane value. you could go higher, but you want some space left in /home too... it's kinda a matter of personal choice here | 22:44 |
se7en | Still, 500GB | 22:47 |
se7en | Why did the Guided Paritioner do this | 22:47 |
gnarface | it's got server use in mind | 22:47 |
se7en | oh | 22:48 |
se7en | It doesn't specify that | 22:48 |
gnarface | yea it's not that smart | 22:48 |
se7en | 500GB drive | 22:50 |
se7en | Do you think I have to shrink my home before my root | 22:50 |
se7en | before adding to my root | 22:50 |
gnarface | yes, if you partitioned all the space, normal procedure (and basic logic) dictates that you have to shrink some partition to make room to expand another | 22:51 |
se7en | Is this an accurate guide | 22:51 |
se7en | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Resizing_LVM-on-LUKS | 22:51 |
se7en | This does not suggest shrinking first | 22:51 |
gnarface | are you sure? | 22:51 |
se7en | It says grow THEN shrink | 22:52 |
se7en | oddily | 22:52 |
gnarface | uh, that's not what i'm reading... | 22:52 |
gnarface | are you looking at a cached version? on mine, it says shrink then grow | 22:52 |
se7en | It says # cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda2 cryptdisk | 22:52 |
se7en | # resize2fs -p /dev/vgroup/lvhome 70g | 22:52 |
se7en | # e2fsck -f /dev/vgroup/lvhome | 22:52 |
se7en | # lvreduce -L -10G /dev/vgroup/lvhome | 22:53 |
se7en | In this order | 22:53 |
se7en | Oh | 22:53 |
se7en | wrong section >.< | 22:53 |
gnarface | yea dude but you gotta read the example partition table they're working with above | 22:53 |
se7en | Create a new partition on the new hard disk of wanted size, f.i. by using GNU Parted, and clone the old partition sdX1, containing your LUKS container, into the new partition sdY1: | 22:53 |
se7en | Is that the best way? | 22:53 |
se7en | And do I need to use the LiveCD to do it? | 22:54 |
gnarface | technically you don't even need to breathe, but it makes getting oxygen a lot easier | 22:55 |
gnarface | yes, use the livecd | 22:55 |
se7en | Well, it just is confusing me | 22:55 |
se7en | Why can I not extend the partition using commands, why should I perform this dd command | 22:55 |
se7en | To "clone" the partition | 22:55 |
gnarface | i suspect (though i'm not sure) that it might have something to do with it being encrypted | 22:56 |
se7en | ok | 22:56 |
gnarface | so you probably to have some place to decrypt it to before you can safely resize it | 22:56 |
se7en | I will have to dosconnect from IRC to do this | 22:56 |
se7en | I am still confused | 22:56 |
gnarface | you should be able to get back online from the livecd | 22:56 |
gnarface | if you know your network settings... | 22:56 |
se7en | I don't think the livecd has a irc client, does it? | 22:57 |
gnarface | doesn't matter. connect it to the internet and install one | 22:58 |
gnarface | how much ram do you have? | 22:58 |
se7en | How do I make this new partition if my disk has only a small free space | 22:58 |
se7en | 12GB | 22:58 |
gnarface | you have plenty of ram to install an irc client into the live cd | 22:58 |
gnarface | you will have to shrink some partition to make space first | 22:58 |
se7en | Ok | 22:59 |
se7en | Srink /home then? | 22:59 |
se7en | What is a good size for Home | 22:59 |
gnarface | what's it at now? | 22:59 |
se7en | 456g | 22:59 |
se7en | With 284 open | 22:59 |
se7en | Er, unused | 22:59 |
gnarface | hmmm | 22:59 |
gnarface | well you can't shrink it more than that | 23:00 |
se7en | No? | 23:00 |
se7en | Lemme show you this here, and you could give me advice | 23:00 |
gnarface | if you shrink it smaller than the used space, you will lose data. that makes sense, doesn't it? | 23:00 |
se7en | Output of my lsblk | 23:00 |
se7en | NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT | 23:00 |
se7en | sda 8:0 0 465.8G 0 disk | 23:00 |
se7en | ├─sda1 8:1 0 512M 0 part | 23:00 |
se7en | ├─sda2 8:2 0 244M 0 part /boot | 23:00 |
se7en | └─sda3 8:3 0 465G 0 part | 23:00 |
se7en | └─sda3_crypt 254:0 0 465G 0 crypt | 23:00 |
se7en | ├─lappy--vg-root 254:1 0 6.5G 0 lvm / | 23:00 |
se7en | ├─lappy--vg-var 254:2 0 2.8G 0 lvm /var | 23:00 |
se7en | ├─lappy--vg-swap_1 254:3 0 23.7G 0 lvm | 23:00 |
se7en | │ └─cryptswap1 254:6 0 23.7G 0 crypt [SWAP] | 23:01 |
se7en | ├─lappy--vg-tmp 254:4 0 380M 0 lvm /tmp | 23:01 |
se7en | └─lappy--vg-home 254:5 0 431.7G 0 lvm /home | 23:01 |
gnarface | uh, next time /msg a long paste like that to me privately or put it in paste.debian.net, you could trigger anti-flood protection | 23:01 |
se7en | ok | 23:01 |
gnarface | yes, i would say just shrink /home by enough so that you can make / 60GB | 23:02 |
gnarface | it's OK if rounding errors make it inexact | 23:02 |
se7en | How much is that | 23:02 |
gnarface | you want me to do the math for you? | 23:02 |
se7en | Oh | 23:02 |
se7en | So 371 | 23:02 |
* gnarface does the math | 23:02 | |
se7en | I thought it was more complex than basic arithmatic | 23:02 |
se7en | Should my swap be 23.7G | 23:03 |
gnarface | no | 23:03 |
gnarface | that's excessive | 23:03 |
se7en | That's what guided made it | 23:03 |
se7en | This whole thing is fucked, hell | 23:03 |
se7en | Hold on, I am going to go to the live cd | 23:03 |
gnarface | i didn't make the guided partitioner, and fyi i would have told you not to use it | 23:03 |
se7en | Iwill brb | 23:03 |
gnarface | 53.5GB btw | 23:03 |
gnarface | you wanna shrink /home by 53.5GB to be able to make / 60GB | 23:04 |
gnarface | that should leave some free space in /home still | 23:04 |
gnarface | i think you would probably be happier if everything was in / | 23:04 |
gnarface | (except swap obviously) | 23:04 |
gnarface | that guided partitioner should have a warning label on it, something of the order "if you don't know what you want, this still probably isn't a safe way to get it" | 23:11 |
se7en_alt | I am back | 23:20 |
se7en_alt | gnarf_08, | 23:20 |
se7en_alt | gnarface, | 23:20 |
se7en_alt | I have opened the disk in the liveusb | 23:22 |
se7en_alt | I will now resize the home partition | 23:22 |
se7en_alt | What is the number we came to? | 23:22 |
se7en_alt | gnarface? | 23:23 |
gnarface | se7en_alt: you said 371G, but my math says 378.2G. it hardly matters. what matters is you follow the safe procedure for shrinking an encrypted partition. | 23:23 |
se7en_alt | resize2fs -p /dev/vgroup/lvhome 378.2G | 23:23 |
se7en_alt | Right? | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | And what about my cryptswap | 23:24 |
gnarface | it's silly to make it any larger than physical ram | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | Hmm | 23:24 |
gnarface | i mean, it won't hurt anything | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | I opened the disk | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | lsblk doesn't appear | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | └─sdb3 8:19 0 465G 0 part | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | └─cryptdisk | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | 254:0 0 465G 0 crypt | 23:24 |
se7en_alt | sr0 11:0 1 1024M 0 rom | 23:24 |
gnarface | make sure you lsblk the right thing | 23:25 |
gnarface | oh | 23:25 |
gnarface | also it's encrypted now | 23:25 |
se7en_alt | It is open | 23:25 |
gnarface | remember you'll have to decrypt it to see stuff in it | 23:25 |
se7en_alt | I did `cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sdb2 cryptdisk` | 23:25 |
se7en_alt | I opened it properly | 23:25 |
se7en_alt | Do I need to mount it? | 23:26 |
gnarface | yea i think so | 23:26 |
se7en_alt | any specific place or just /mnt | 23:26 |
se7en_alt | wtf | 23:26 |
gnarface | \/mnt is probably safe. it would have been mounted already when you booted to it, but not like this in a live cd | 23:26 |
se7en_alt | mount /dev/mapper/cryptdisk /mnt | 23:26 |
se7en_alt | mount: unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' | 23:26 |
gnarface | you might need to install more than a irc client into that live image | 23:26 |
gnarface | to make this work | 23:27 |
se7en_alt | What packages then | 23:27 |
se7en_alt | Installing lvm2 | 23:27 |
gnarface | hmm. not sure, but yea probably some lvm tools | 23:27 |
se7en_alt | Maybe I should switch to the ubuntu wiki | 23:27 |
gnarface | i would be surprised if it wasn't on the debian wiki too | 23:28 |
gnarface | udisks2-lvm2 | 23:28 |
gnarface | i think you need this too^ | 23:28 |
gnarface | if you don't have it already | 23:28 |
gnarface | also maybe lvm2-lockd and lvm2-dbusd | 23:28 |
se7en_alt | ok, got it | 23:29 |
se7en_alt | used vgscan and vgchange per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ResizeEncryptedPartitions | 23:29 |
se7en_alt | It is all unlocked now per lsblk | 23:29 |
gnarface | well that's a relief | 23:30 |
se7en_alt | Going to move to PM for pastes | 23:30 |
gnarface | paste.debian.net has no ads | 23:30 |
gnarface | or yea, you can just paste it to me privately if you want | 23:30 |
KatolaZ | "curl -L -F c=@- https://ptpb.pw <$FILEIN" | 23:38 |
rwp | gnarface, Just an irc fyi.. (it is rare when I can help there!) starting a line with a / can be down by starting it with "/say /mnt" and that will start a line with a / character. | 23:56 |
gnarface | rwp: thanks. i was aware i could also just insert a leading whitespace character instead. the \ was actually a typo. | 23:58 |
rwp | I can't count the number of times I have tried to type in a line starting with a path and hit Enter... | 23:59 |
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