golinux | nailyk: You still here? | 00:13 |
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golinux | First day of sun in about a week so had to run errands. Will be here (more or less) till bedtime so pong me again. | 00:15 |
neplevitan | Good day, does perhaps someone have some information as to what is required for the rootless X11 server to work? | 00:44 |
neplevitan | the thing i have been able to determin thus far are that the tty file needs to be owned and that the input device files need to be readable and writeable, aswell that systemd-logind is expected | 00:45 |
gnarface | neplevitan: you might have to be in the video group as well | 01:14 |
gnarface | video, audio, input | 01:14 |
gnarface | typically you want those three at least | 01:14 |
gnarface | unless you're changing how the default groups work | 01:15 |
neplevitan | havent touched the default groups | 01:21 |
neplevitan | i am already in those groups, is systemd-logind a strict requirement or can i get around to not install it? | 01:22 |
neplevitan | logfile just sais addscreen/screeinit failed for screen 0 when using startx | 01:23 |
neplevitan | X :1 vt2 -keeptty gives me the same (:1 since there is one running on :0 under a dm) | 01:24 |
neplevitan | (with tty2 beeing the terminal i am on) | 01:25 |
gnarface | i don't think you need it if you're running startx | 01:26 |
gnarface | maybe you have a login manager installed already and running? | 01:26 |
neplevitan | i have a display manager running already yes | 01:27 |
neplevitan | terminating it and retrying gives the same result though | 01:28 |
gnarface | oh | 01:31 |
gnarface | well it also does require driver support | 01:31 |
gnarface | i think some drivers can't do it still | 01:31 |
neplevitan | hmm, i have the radeon one installed currently | 01:33 |
gnarface | i don't know about that one actually | 01:34 |
gnarface | should work i think, but might depend on the kernel version | 01:34 |
gnarface | it will be putting your log file in ~/.local/share/xorg/ i think | 01:35 |
gnarface | does it give you any clues? | 01:35 |
gnarface | there are other reasons it could fail | 01:36 |
gnarface | but i'd expect at least a little more info unless it was a configuration error | 01:36 |
neplevitan | not really, after the list of supported cards it just sais addscreen/screeninit failed for screen0 | 01:36 |
neplevitan | s/screen/driver | 01:37 |
neplevitan | huh, with fbdev it now additionally sais drmSetMaster failed permission denied | 01:39 |
neplevitan | gotta figure out what that is about | 01:39 |
gnarface | oh | 01:42 |
gnarface | you might be using the wrong driver too | 01:42 |
gnarface | that's happened to me before | 01:42 |
gnarface | auto-detect is kinda suspect | 01:42 |
neplevitan | well, radeon is fine usually | 01:43 |
neplevitan | i tried with amdgpu and fbdev also, with the same result | 01:43 |
neplevitan | the only thing i find about that line is advice to either install some systemd thing or to enable the X11 SUID wrapper :/ | 01:44 |
neplevitan | i ment as in, my hardware should be supported by radeon and amdgpu kernel drivers (and therefore X11), i just use the radeon one because i cant controll my backlight otherwise | 01:46 |
neplevitan | (fbdev also works fine via xdm) | 01:49 |
gnarface | maybe try it with the kernel in backports | 01:51 |
gnarface | in ascii-backports | 01:51 |
gnarface | you're on ascii, right? | 01:51 |
gnarface | it might really not be able to do it | 01:52 |
gnarface | i just don't know | 01:52 |
neplevitan | ah, i already have the 4.18 backports kernel | 01:55 |
gnarface | hmmm | 01:56 |
gnarface | well somebody does know | 01:56 |
gnarface | for sure | 01:56 |
neplevitan | hehe, certainly | 01:56 |
gnarface | i think there is an alternative to systemd-logind... isn't that what elogind is? | 02:06 |
gnarface | i could be wrong | 02:06 |
neplevitan | heh, gentoo sais that elogind is systemd-logind :) | 02:10 |
gnarface | oh, there is also consolekit then | 02:11 |
gnarface | but you shouldn't need either if you're nut using a graphical login | 02:11 |
gnarface | but running one in the background while running startx does count as using one | 02:12 |
gnarface | https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt | 02:12 |
gnarface | there's something about it in the release notes | 02:12 |
neplevitan | thanks | 02:17 |
neplevitan | the notes say that libpam-elogind and elogind must be installed for it to work :3 | 02:17 |
neplevitan | well, i assume my setup is broken, oh well | 02:17 |
gnarface | it should be easy to install them | 02:17 |
neplevitan | i already had those installed apparently | 02:18 |
gnarface | if you also have consolekit installed, you might have to manually uninstall one or the other | 02:18 |
neplevitan | well, now i have neither installed, not much point in keeping them to me | 02:24 |
neplevitan | still, kind of wierd, to be able to play movies in mpv on the framebuffer but not X11, oh well :) | 02:25 |
gnarface | that does seem odd | 02:25 |
gnarface | you got the firmware from non-free, right? | 02:25 |
gnarface | i think that driver might also require firmware for certain functionality | 02:26 |
neplevitan | not sure, probably yes | 02:26 |
gnarface | the radeon one | 02:26 |
neplevitan | well, it didnt work with fbdev either, so i kind of doubt the firmware is at fault | 02:26 |
gnarface | check for the packages firmware-linux-nonfree and firmware-amd-graphics | 02:27 |
neplevitan | i have those | 02:28 |
gnarface | how about linux-firmware? | 02:29 |
neplevitan | i have firmware-linux | 02:32 |
gnarface | what have you got in your /etc/apt/sources.list? | 02:33 |
neplevitan | devuan repos, aswell as the winehq ones | 02:36 |
neplevitan | anyway, i have tested enough atleast for today, i suppose i will reinstall the system at some point if i want to give it another go | 02:37 |
gnarface | make sure you're using deb.devuan.org, auto.mirror.devuan.org is outdated | 02:37 |
gnarface | i doubt reinstalling is going to fix anything | 02:37 |
gnarface | nothing that can't be fixed by hand without reinstalling the entire system | 02:37 |
neplevitan | are you sure? i upgraded this fron SteamOS :P | 02:38 |
neplevitan | anyway, good night | 02:45 |
redrick | I was about to make some crack about, if not a reinstall, maybe an exorcism -- but I really don't know how close a Debian-derivative SteamOS is. | 03:04 |
redrick | But me, I'd be worried about FrankenDebian syndrome. | 03:04 |
rdav__ | Hi All, is there a repoistory of virtual machine images for Devuan that have applications like Apache, MySQL, PHP, Oracle Java already installed? | 03:10 |
rdav__ | I know there is the Ascii image available to download from Devuan mirrors and happy to use that, so when I build one up, is it possible to share it back to the community? | 03:12 |
golinux | rdav__: You could register on our gitlab and start a project there. If you would like it to be an official image, there is a specific way to do that. You might want to discuss this in #devuan-dev. Be patient because things haven't yet started to pick up after the break. | 03:40 |
* man_in_shack breaks golinux | 03:50 | |
golinux | ? | 03:52 |
rdav__ | thanks golinux! think I'll do the #devuan-dev and in meantime see what i can do | 03:55 |
Tom-_ | redrick, SteamOS is Debian wheezy with a custom kernel, libraries and drivers, I believe | 05:08 |
Tom-_ | additional libraries, not replacements | 05:08 |
buZz | it still exists? :O | 05:39 |
buZz | oh, it does | 05:39 |
buZz | https://store.steampowered.com/steamos/buildyourown | 05:39 |
redrick | Tom-_: Good to hear. | 06:43 |
redrick | Another blessed day when I've learned something -- so, thanks. | 06:44 |
Tom-_ | and also Steam | 06:44 |
redrick | That would seem implied, ja. ;-> | 06:44 |
buZz | i just use steam on devuan directly | 06:47 |
buZz | works fine (TM) | 06:48 |
debdog | this time it was poweroutage | 11:22 |
debdog | ooops | 11:23 |
nailyk | golinux: I wasn't, sorry | 12:06 |
Humle | Does anybody have a link to a usable /etc/apt/source.list file ? | 13:06 |
furrymcgee | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 13:07 |
Humle | Thanks, Ill try that | 13:09 |
koleygr | furrymcgee Do you know for what "merged" stands there? Is it about debian sources that have been merged with devuan modifications? | 13:29 |
furrymcgee | yes I think so but me is no maintainer of the repository | 13:32 |
koleygr | ok... thanks... Just came this question in my mind when show these repositories for first time... Thanks. | 13:38 |
nailyk | is zsh installed by default o0 | 13:50 |
koleygr | nailyk... possibly not... I made a somehow minimal install and don't have it (checked with dpkg-query -l '*0') | 13:56 |
nailyk | oh | 13:57 |
nailyk | cause I just installed with refracta and my both installation have it <3 | 13:57 |
koleygr | nailyk I don't know about refracta... and I am not sure about my answer... please wait for an other answer too | 14:05 |
man_in_shack | anyone here messed around with colord/colour profiles for monitors? | 15:12 |
man_in_shack | i'm trying to see if i can set a profile for my screen but "colormgr get-devices" is showing up no displays | 15:13 |
man_in_shack | not sure if lightdm is even talking to colord | 15:16 |
man_in_shack | ahha, had to install xiccd too | 15:18 |
aggaz | Hello. I am curious about PowerPC support. Do you know if someone is working on it? | 15:56 |
Mithrandir__ | but localhost is 127.0.0.1 on devuan? Tor Browser seems not to work... the port is 9150, and nmap shows that the port is open on localhost | 16:27 |
man_in_shack | ok | 16:30 |
man_in_shack | turns out bug with 10bit colour swapping reds and blues is fixed in newer nvidia driver | 16:30 |
ServiceRobot | good morning folks | 17:12 |
ServiceRobot | been a while since I treked on here | 17:12 |
ServiceRobot | so I'm having a bit of trouble with debootstrap getting stuck on install. are the repo sites online? | 17:18 |
furrymcgee | you can mount and debootstrap a iso image | 17:19 |
gnarface | ServiceRobot: make sure you're using deb.devuan.org now; auto.mirror.devuan.org is outdated | 17:47 |
nailyk | sudo sed -i "s/auto.mirror.devuan.org/deb.devuan.org/g" /etc/apt/sources.list ? | 18:04 |
gnarface | probably | 18:09 |
nailyk | thanks gnarface ! | 18:11 |
gnarface | no problem | 18:12 |
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