pc---- | laptop-mode-tools is already the newest version (1.72-3). | 01:31 |
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pc---- | I have devuan beowulf installed I have no battery status indicator, can't shutdown\reboot\hibernate | 01:31 |
pc---- | with devuan ascii I was able to out of the box | 01:31 |
pc---- | https://pastebin.com/jxbtJeE0 | 01:33 |
sincere_fox | Hey guise, is steam installable on devuan? | 01:37 |
pc---- | yes | 01:41 |
sincere_fox | Thanks | 01:41 |
pc---- | i have it open right now lol | 01:41 |
sincere_fox | Lol | 01:41 |
sincere_fox | Protondb? | 01:41 |
pc---- | yeah that works well, devuan is debian without systemd by the way | 01:42 |
NerdTheThird | protondb is a website, you should be able to open it no matter the distro ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) | 01:42 |
pc---- | i thought he wrote just proton | 01:42 |
pc---- | i didn't see the db part | 01:42 |
sincere_fox | Lol I meant proton indeed | 01:44 |
pc---- | just read the compatibility chart as "debian" | 01:45 |
sincere_fox | Is that I remember reading a how to about a long process to install it | 01:45 |
pc---- | -for distro | 01:45 |
sincere_fox | Maybe was early version or something | 01:46 |
pc---- | just install steam and launch the game as normal | 01:46 |
pc---- | sec | 01:47 |
sincere_fox | Is there an article on how is devuan made? Built? Starts on Debian and ends with devuan? | 01:48 |
golinux | sincere_fox: https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 01:53 |
golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages | 01:54 |
pc | anyone else running beowulf on a laptop? | 01:57 |
pc------ | (upower:18071): libupower-glib-WARNING **: 19:57:43.569: Couldn't enumerate devices: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 | 01:58 |
pc------ | (upower:18071): UPower-WARNING **: 19:57:43.569: failed to enumerate: Launch helper exited with unknown return code 127 | 01:58 |
golinux | pc------: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2301 | 02:05 |
pc------ | thanks | 02:07 |
pc------ | I think there's a typo in the package name and it should be exim4-daemon-light instead of exim4-light-daemon | 02:08 |
pc------ | not sure if it's your post | 02:08 |
sincere_fox | golinux: interesting read I just had, even some source, python is wonderfully readable | 02:18 |
sincere_fox | But it is still not that clear to me, devuan uses the same binaries for some packages? | 02:18 |
sincere_fox | Is devuan ascii Debian 9.0 but without systemd? | 02:19 |
sincere_fox | Or is it a new product like Ubuntu from Debian? I am not an expert | 02:19 |
gnarface | sincere_fox: devuan uses the same exact packages for most packages | 02:53 |
sincere_fox | Same binaries? | 03:00 |
golinux | We rebuild some packages to remove systemd and have spme priginal pkgs too | 03:02 |
golinux | sincere_fox: amroplla redirects to Debian repos and filters packages that would break Devuan | 03:03 |
golinux | and megres those with Devuan specific packages. | 03:03 |
sincere_fox | Hmm | 03:04 |
golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages | 03:05 |
golinux | sincere_fox: Hmm? | 03:07 |
sincere_fox | I am reading what you said and processing it | 03:08 |
golinux | OK. If you have any questions now would be the time. I'll be afk for a short while then working on a project that will thoroughly distract me. | 03:09 |
sincere_fox | Basically that's it, I always want to know how a Distro is build to know where I am putting my trust | 03:11 |
golinux | This is a very old and somewhat outdated diagram https://dev1galaxy.org/files/amprolla.png | 03:11 |
sincere_fox | I mean , I want to know who builds and compiles the binaries, if it is automated or manually | 03:11 |
golinux | Most of them come directly from Debian. | 03:11 |
sincere_fox | I see | 03:12 |
golinux | On Devuan, pkg maintainers build their own pkgs. | 03:12 |
sincere_fox | Ohh | 03:12 |
golinux | Lots of eyes are on them. We are very collaborative | 03:13 |
sincere_fox | But are there plans to change that? | 03:14 |
sincere_fox | I mean for the packages to be build at the server? | 03:14 |
golinux | We are even collaborating with Debian devs to improve and maintain sysvinit in Debian and foster init diversity upstream | 03:14 |
golinux | packages are bui;lt on Devuan's infrastructure | 03:15 |
sincere_fox | Then why you said maintainers build | 03:15 |
sincere_fox | I mean afaik , ubuntu and fedora (for example) they upload src packages and | 03:16 |
golinux | https://ci.devuan.org/ | 03:16 |
sincere_fox | Their respectives build systems do the compilation an packaging | 03:17 |
sincere_fox | Thats what I was talking abour | 03:17 |
sincere_fox | About* | 03:18 |
sincere_fox | What does a mantainer submits then? | 03:18 |
golinux | Source | 03:18 |
golinux | and then either has access to start a build or someone does it for them | 03:19 |
golinux | We don't accept random 3rd party packages or ppas | 03:19 |
golinux | We run a very tight ship. | 03:20 |
sincere_fox | That's great | 03:21 |
golinux | We are pretty much hardcore old school | 03:21 |
sincere_fox | Does Debian uses the same system? I read something different but maybe I misread | 03:21 |
golinux | I think our process is unique but compatible with Debian | 03:22 |
golinux | I'm not a packager. I have different skillsets | 03:23 |
sincere_fox | I mean, do Debian mantainer and developers upload binaries? | 03:23 |
sincere_fox | To the repo | 03:23 |
golinux | I think there are a few that do. Former Debian devs for sure. LOLOL! | 03:24 |
sincere_fox | By former you mean they're out? | 03:25 |
golinux | Or one foot in both worlds | 03:25 |
sincere_fox | Devuan then trusts Debian binaries or ci.devuan rebuilds everything from source packages? | 03:26 |
sincere_fox | I already saw the image put earlier | 03:27 |
golinux | We are removing hard systemd dependencies and other "features" that limit user freedom. | 03:27 |
golinux | We now use elogind for example | 03:28 |
golinux | And are rewriting a lot of the *kit session stuff to remove "tentacles" | 03:29 |
golinux | udev is another one. | 03:29 |
golinux | We have eudev | 03:30 |
MinceR | here's a bullet dodged with eudev >> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/11255 | 03:31 |
golinux | There is a treasure chest of stuff like that. A lot of them are wontfix | 03:32 |
golinux | MinceR: Hope you have a good 2019! Everyone else too of course | 03:33 |
MinceR | same to you too | 03:34 |
MinceR | and to everyone else | 03:34 |
golinux | I'll bbl | 03:35 |
* golinux waves bye | 03:36 | |
MinceR | o/ | 03:38 |
saptech | Happy New Year... sudo kill -9 2018 | 04:15 |
Xenguy | HNY all | 04:19 |
Centurion_Dan | MinceR: that bullet is dodged due to not having systemd, and isn't udev specific at all. | 06:38 |
MinceR | i thought they fucked something up in udev | 07:00 |
redrick | Party like it's 2037! | 07:37 |
furrywolf | bellbottoms and disco? | 07:39 |
MinceR | sticks and stones | 07:39 |
pc------ | i installed ascii and upgraded to beowulf. if i want to restart or do pretty much anything with a binary i need to type /sbin/restart for example now instead of restart | 08:06 |
pc------ | not sure why this is happening for all binaries now | 08:06 |
pc------ | out of the box | 08:07 |
pc------ | root@devuan:/home/pc# restart bash: restart: command not found | 08:07 |
redrick | May I ask, how do you escalate to root? 'su -'? | 08:09 |
redrick | Some ways to escalate to root privilege carry forward the existing user's environment, including the value of PATH. | 08:11 |
pc------ | i just type su and then enter my password | 08:11 |
pc------ | that's how i've always done it | 08:11 |
redrick | ISTR that if you do that instead of 'su -', you carry forward your existing user's environment. PATH normally doesn't include /sbin for non-system users. | 08:12 |
pc------ | well i removed slim and installed lightdm not sure if that affects anything | 08:12 |
pc------ | pc@devuan:~$ su -Password: root@devuan:~# /sbin/restart -bash: /sbin/restart: No such file or directory | 08:13 |
pc------ | same behavior with su - | 08:13 |
redrick | What is the return value of 'echo $PATH' in your root shell after doing 'su -'? | 08:14 |
redrick | Should be something lie '/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11'. | 08:14 |
redrick | Hey, wait, I just noticed your specific error, sorry. | 08:15 |
pc------ | no worries | 08:15 |
pc------ | thanks for the help | 08:15 |
pc------ | everything is out of the box just so you know | 08:15 |
redrick | The shell claiming /sbin/restart doesn't exist any more is entirely a different thing. | 08:15 |
pc------ | process flow 1.) installed devuan ascii -> upgraded to beowulf -> removed slim -> installed lightdm that's pretty much it | 08:16 |
redrick | Well, I'm just an old-school sysadmin, and don't even have a system in front of me like yours to compare. | 08:16 |
redrick | You had a look in /sbin ? | 08:16 |
pc------ | it's cool im running an unstable release so who knows | 08:16 |
pc------ | let me take a look | 08:17 |
pc------ | it's /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin | 08:17 |
redrick | Well, the error gave the full path and still said no dice. So, it's not $PATH. | 08:17 |
pc------ | yeah i've never seen this before on any debian\devuan release | 08:18 |
pc------ | dpkg -S /sbin/shutdownsysvinit-core: /sbin/shutdown | 08:19 |
pc------ | https://pastebin.com/VpeKwiv6 | 08:20 |
pc------ | should i install sysvinit-core? | 08:21 |
pc------ | sounds like a package that should already be installed | 08:21 |
redrick | Yeah, I'm pretty sure you should. | 08:22 |
redrick | You've been using Upstart until this point? | 08:22 |
* redrick is still in 2018, but breaking out the mulled wine. | 08:23 | |
pc------ | nah i'm literally just guessing here | 08:23 |
pc------ | reading stackoverflow posts | 08:23 |
pc------ | everything is a total reach i can't figure this issue out | 08:23 |
pc------ | https://pastebin.com/r1mvN0r6 | 08:23 |
redrick | Well, you already have sysvinit-core, then. | 08:24 |
redrick | Runit is a different init system. | 08:25 |
pc------ | ah thanks | 08:25 |
redrick | It's pretty cool, but different. I mention it in http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html, which among other things describes init systems. | 08:26 |
pc------ | ah so there's upstart, sysvinit, runit, and systemd? | 08:27 |
redrick | And others, but there are some overlapping categories involved. | 08:27 |
pc------ | noted thanks | 08:28 |
redrick | Runit includes a service supervisor. Not all init systems do. | 08:28 |
golinux | pc------: /usr and/usr/local are merged in beowulf | 08:28 |
golinux | Unless you do an expert install and decline the merge | 08:28 |
pc------ | oh | 08:28 |
pc------ | why are they merged now? | 08:29 |
redrick | Long long story. | 08:29 |
pc------ | is this a security issue? | 08:29 |
golinux | I didn't read all of the above so don't know if that's relevant | 08:29 |
pc------ | any TLDR? | 08:29 |
golinux | POETTERING! | 08:29 |
pc------ | oh systemd bs? | 08:29 |
redrick | I can attempt tl;dr:, but I'm a bit biased against, so bear it in mind. | 08:30 |
golinux | Not exactly. An opportunity to "modernize" your system | 08:30 |
pc------ | will this be "reversed" in the devuan beowulf stable release? | 08:30 |
golinux | Yes. I think I got it backwards. Maybe youyou need to do the expert install to get the merge. | 08:31 |
golinux | There's a mini iso you can play with where we tested that option in the installer. | 08:32 |
golinux | I'll find the link. | 08:32 |
redrick | golinux: You meant to say that /usr/bin and /bin are merged in Beowulf by default, right? Or am I confused. | 08:32 |
pc------ | well all I know is I installed ascii upgraded to beowulf and they're now merged | 08:33 |
golinux | I think I got it backwards. Default will NOT be merged. | 08:33 |
pc------ | oh? | 08:33 |
golinux | We're working on it. Hold on a sec | 08:33 |
redrick | ISTR that the merge is between /usr and the root fs. | 08:34 |
redrick | Essentially depopulating /bin, /sbin, and /lib | 08:34 |
golinux | pc------: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-i386/20181125/images/netboot/ | 08:34 |
pc------ | thanks | 08:35 |
pc------ | hopefully theres a x64 version | 08:35 |
pc------ | or just install with the image and add x64 arch? | 08:36 |
golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/20181207%2Bdevuan1/images/netboot/ | 08:36 |
pc------ | =] thank you | 08:36 |
golinux | Took me a while to find it. Old and slow | 08:36 |
pc------ | hahaha np | 08:36 |
golinux | I'm still on 32bit so he did that for me. ;) | 08:37 |
pc------ | i honestly thought by now debian would have an option to choose sysvinit or systemd | 08:38 |
golinux | Note that gksu is deprecated | 08:38 |
pc------ | even if they do at this point i'm not switching back my trust in them is gone | 08:38 |
golinux | They do have that option already | 08:38 |
pc------ | ah | 08:38 |
golinux | But it is a bit o0f sleight of hand | 08:38 |
redrick | Debian's best option to choose SysVInit is called 'Devuan'. ;-> | 08:38 |
golinux | Because none od the systemd deps are removed so some packages won't work with sysvinit | 08:39 |
pc------ | noted thanks | 08:39 |
golinux | So systemd again limits user freedom | 08:39 |
redrick | The specific pages that don't work are listed on my http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/openrc-conversion.html page in detail. | 08:40 |
redrick | That's as of Debian 8 'Jessie', but strech isn't really significantly different. | 08:40 |
golinux | This kind of explains how it works: https://mxlinux.org/wiki/system/systemd | 08:41 |
pc------ | Depends on mate-polkit: gnome-system-tools, libmatepolkit-dev, mate-desktop-environment-core, mate-panel, mate-session-manager, mate-system-tools | 08:41 |
pc------ | =[ | 08:41 |
golinux | Hold on | 08:42 |
pc------ | hopefully this mini.iso saves the day | 08:42 |
redrick | Just to be very clear, my page is about _Debian_ without systemd. | 08:42 |
golinux | Yes. And that's why sysvinit is neutered on Debian and it's derivatives like MX LInux | 08:43 |
golinux | We do it differently | 08:44 |
golinux | We remove the offending systemd hooks. | 08:44 |
golinux | pc------: You'll probably need these packages: https://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?pid=50562#p50562 | 08:45 |
golinux | I installed it a few weeks ago and got all tied up in knots. | 08:45 |
golinux | You might need to add ceres to your sources.list to get those packages if they haven't moved up to beowulf | 08:46 |
golinux | Let me go check. | 08:46 |
pc------ | let me give that a show now | 08:46 |
pc------ | thanks | 08:46 |
pc------ | -shot | 08:47 |
redrick | How's 2019 otherwise? | 08:48 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf main | 08:48 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ beowulf-security main | 08:48 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/ experimental main | 08:48 |
golinux | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ceres main | 08:48 |
pc------ | i'm only 2hrs and 48 minutes in good so far lol | 08:48 |
golinux | FU Sigyn | 08:49 |
golinux | East coast> | 08:49 |
golinux | ? | 08:50 |
pc------ | ET yup | 08:50 |
golinux | pc------: Please ignore the graphic on the mini.iso. I haven't gotten it themed yet. Working on it | 08:50 |
pc------ | golinux: i changed my repo's and a boatload of packages are being installed hopefully for the better | 08:51 |
golinux | I got it working pretty well but haven't played with it in a few weeks. | 08:52 |
golinux | Got sidetracked | 08:52 |
golinux | Sorry for ignoring you redrick. A good new year to you! | 08:53 |
golinux | pc------: I'm headed back to git so hope things go well | 08:55 |
golinux | I might not notice if you ping me. | 08:55 |
pc------ | thank you! | 08:56 |
pc------ | np | 08:56 |
golinux | pc------: Thought I'd drop this before I head off. Still a WIP though . . . https://dev1galaxy.org/files/550001.png | 09:00 |
golinux | It will end up somewhere in that neighborhood. | 09:01 |
golinux | guru-------: ^^^ | 09:02 |
guru------- | oh wow it's red for once | 09:02 |
golinux | Red seemed to be trending | 09:03 |
golinux | Beowulf = bloody times | 09:03 |
guru------- | that's a nice change i like it | 09:03 |
golinux | Great! | 09:03 |
guru------- | the only thing i see wrong with it is the logo not standing out enough | 09:04 |
guru------- | the shade of red is perfect | 09:04 |
redrick | golinux: A happy and prosperous new year to you, too -- and maybe for me now that I share it. | 09:04 |
guru------- | *dark red | 09:04 |
guru------- | maybe on my desktop it will i had to load it via mobile phone | 09:05 |
golinux | Long life to redrick!!! | 09:05 |
* redrick is staying warm with mulled wine, very much the way to do it. | 09:05 | |
obeardly | Happy New Year all! | 09:05 |
guru------- | yeah it finally loaded on my desktop much better | 09:05 |
golinux | It's subtle but bold at the same time | 09:05 |
golinux | obeardly: Same to you!! | 09:06 |
redrick | Excellent work, indeed, having seen it in the making. | 09:06 |
golinux | Far from done | 09:06 |
guru------- | whoever made the devuan logo did a great job i love the typeset | 09:06 |
golinux | It is a uniquely created font | 09:06 |
guru------- | yeah it's really nice the debian logo reminds me sega dreamcast, which isn't a good thing | 09:08 |
golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan/devuan-project/issues/20 | 09:08 |
guru------- | -reminds me of | 09:09 |
golinux | That's where we worked on it | 09:09 |
guru------- | glad you didn't choose the one with the dots in the letter D | 09:10 |
golinux | It was a process. Looks like gitlab is no longer thumbnailing the images. | 09:11 |
guru------- | you can really scale it down and have it look good at any resolution | 09:11 |
golinux | Yup. | 09:11 |
guru------------ | lets see if that fixed my problem | 09:28 |
guru------------ | restarting | 09:28 |
golinux | Good luck! | 09:30 |
guru------------ | whoa everything appears to be back in working order i can restart, shutdown, and my battery % is visible now | 09:31 |
golinux | :D | 09:31 |
guru------------ | phew life is good, they're still merged, but i don't care my battery level is showing, i can restart\shutdown, and wicd is automatically initializing now | 09:39 |
guru------------ | thanks :) | 09:39 |
guru------------ | that was really bothering me | 09:39 |
guru------------ | i guess once beowulf goes stable i should adjust my repos accordingly | 09:40 |
golinux | You didn't do the expert install? | 09:40 |
golinux | You can't unmerge once it done. | 09:40 |
guru------------ | i read your forum post and changed my repos -> apt-get update & apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade | 09:40 |
golinux | You'll have to reinstall. | 09:41 |
guru------------ | ah | 09:41 |
golinux | iirc | 09:41 |
guru------------ | i'm okay with them being merged this is just for productivity | 09:41 |
guru------------ | -this laptop | 09:41 |
guru------------ | all my webservers are running devuan ascii still i wouldn't use a testing release obviously | 09:42 |
rootfather | hi folks | 11:22 |
amarsh04 | will see if the Linus git head kernel is ok on my other pc soon | 12:15 |
sincere_fox | Hey guise | 15:06 |
ravencrow | sincere_fox, hi there gday how ya goin? | 15:08 |
sincere_fox | Not so well | 15:08 |
ravencrow | sincere_fox, sorry to here | 15:08 |
sincere_fox | My chest Hurts in the left side a little bit and left shoulder and near | 15:09 |
ravencrow | not to good at all | 15:09 |
sincere_fox | I went to urgency, but they did nothing at all | 15:09 |
ravencrow | yeah not good at all | 15:09 |
sincere_fox | 'youre not in risk factor' | 15:10 |
sincere_fox | 'your age... Etc' | 15:10 |
ravencrow | yeah im in a huge risk factor mate with an extremley painful nerve condition and 41 here | 15:10 |
role3 | Hi | 16:10 |
role3 | Does anyone understands about keyboard layouts? | 16:11 |
role3 | I've not being able to make my setup work properly. | 16:11 |
gnarface | role3: i think you want to run "dpkg-reconfigure locales" and "dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration" | 16:28 |
gnarface | (install those packages first if you don't have them) | 16:28 |
role3 | gnarface: Thanks for the tip buddy, but it didn't work. | 16:48 |
gnarface | hmmm, sorry | 16:49 |
gnarface | you had both packages installed, right? | 16:49 |
gnarface | role3_: you had both packages installed, right? it didn't give you some error about no such package? | 16:50 |
role3_ | no errors. | 16:50 |
role3_ | Yeah, they were installed. | 16:52 |
uniqueName | erm hello? anyone here? | 17:01 |
djph | uniqueName: maybe? | 17:02 |
uniqeName | actually, I'm still here. | 17:13 |
uniqeName | erm... if my question was answered, I didn't see, because of internet problems. Sorry. | 17:14 |
djph | uniqeName: only question i saw you asking was "anyone here" | 17:26 |
uniqeName | ah. ok. must have been eaten by the wifi. | 17:27 |
uniqeName | my question was wether or not to move from devuan ascii to beowulf. | 17:27 |
uniqeName | on the one hand, it has more up to date software. | 17:28 |
gnarface | uniqeName: if you need to ask, the answer is no. if you need something specific to be newer, check for it in ascii-backports | 17:28 |
uniqeName | is there any reason not to other than it not being stable yet? | 17:29 |
gnarface | it's a flaming wreck? | 17:29 |
gnarface | it's not finished. | 17:29 |
uniqeName | Soo... to unstable? | 17:30 |
gnarface | well, the packages in stable have had all their security updates, fyi. so don't upgrade just to have newer stuff. | 17:30 |
gnarface | and in general i'd advise against running unstable, though at the moment it's in better shape than beowoulf | 17:31 |
gnarface | *beowulf | 17:31 |
uniqeName | wow. | 17:31 |
uniqeName | something based on sid is considered stable? | 17:31 |
gnarface | no | 17:32 |
uniqeName | ouch. | 17:32 |
gnarface | if you need a newer kernel or video drivers for Steam compatibility, try the ones in ascii-backports first | 17:32 |
gnarface | stuff that is in ascii-backports is mostly from sid | 17:33 |
gnarface | but compiled against stable so they won't cause problems | 17:33 |
uniqeName | how do I tell apt search to look in backports? | 17:33 |
gnarface | add the flag "-t ascii-backports" to the command-line | 17:33 |
gnarface | (make sure it's in the sources.list first of course) | 17:34 |
gnarface | the instructions for debian are the same on this matter, except for the URL | 17:34 |
uniqeName | strange. nothing new comes up for `apt search -t ascii-backports openshot` | 17:36 |
uniqeName | (I'd like a more up-to-date version than 1.4) | 17:37 |
Jjp137 | that particular package doesn't have a backports version | 17:37 |
uniqeName | other than going the gentoo or windows route, how could I obtain a more recent version? 1.4 is ancient. | 17:39 |
sincere_fox | What's wrong with compiling it(I spoke by myself) | 17:41 |
uniqueName_ | sorry, web problems again. did I miss anything? | 17:45 |
uniqeName | aand more web problems. seriously? | 17:48 |
sincere_fox | I didn't know the web client was that unstable | 17:48 |
uniqueName_ | and again. It's not the webapp, it's the wifi. | 17:50 |
gnarface | uniqueName_: someone posed the question to you "what's wrong with compiling it?" | 17:52 |
uniqueName_ | ah yes. I'd replied, but the wifi went. | 17:52 |
uniqueName_ | here it is again: | 17:52 |
gnarface | if it's not in backports, the accepted next step would be to backport it yourself | 17:52 |
uniqueName_ | I'd prefer to keep the executables on the path, and the path the same between shells, so either a new config file to clutter my homedir or copying the programs to ~/bin and losing track of what is from where. | 17:55 |
uniqueName_ | Also, I have no idea how to backport something. | 17:55 |
gnarface | uniqueName_: the instructions for that haven't changed since debian either | 17:59 |
golinux | uniqueName_: pkginfo.devuan.org | 18:42 |
uniqueName | wifi issues again (also a meal). anything that I missed? | 18:49 |
uniqueName | I have found this https://wiki.debian.org/BuildingFormalBackports#Retrieve_the_Package_Source , but I can't find a dsc link at https://pkginfo.devuan.org/stage/beowulf/beowulf/openshot-qt_2.4.3+dfsg1-1.html | 18:52 |
gnarface | uniqueName: i think you just want to "apt-get -t beowulf source openshot" | 18:53 |
gnarface | that will download the source package and extract it and run all the patches and get it ready for building | 18:53 |
gnarface | (the dsc file is in there with all that junk) | 18:53 |
uniqueName | ah. | 18:53 |
uniqueName | E: The value 'beowulf' is invalid for APT::Default-Release as such a release is not available in the sources | 18:54 |
gnarface | and of course it wouldnt' be becasue you hadn't added the 'deb-src' line for it to your /etc/apt/sources.list | 18:54 |
gnarface | you gotta do that then run "apt-get update" | 18:55 |
gnarface | (to flush the cache) | 18:55 |
uniqueName | so... I only add the deb-src? makes sense I guess. | 18:55 |
gnarface | yea, if you're only getting source packages you only need the deb-src line. safer that way. | 18:55 |
gnarface | don't remove the others either | 18:55 |
gnarface | the ascii ones | 18:56 |
uniqueName | and only beowulf? no beowulf-security or updates? | 18:56 |
gnarface | yea, afaik only beowulf | 18:56 |
golinux | uniqueName_: pkginfo.devuan.org | 18:56 |
uniqueName | still getting the same error | 18:59 |
gnarface | what error? | 19:01 |
gnarface | oh, you forgot to run "apt-get update" after changing your source.list (not to be confused with "apt-get upgrade") | 19:02 |
Zinky | hello | 19:05 |
gnarface | 'sup Zinky? state your problem | 19:05 |
Zinky | I've installed devuan ascii with MATE but then decided that I would rather use xfce instead | 19:05 |
gnarface | there's no shame in that | 19:06 |
Zinky | so with xfce, synaptic won't launch from the menu I think because it does not have root privileges | 19:06 |
Zinky | I also can't remember how to fix it :[ | 19:07 |
golinux | Zinky ascii? | 19:07 |
gnarface | hmmm. tricky. go into the release notes and fine the thing about pairing login managers with their respective permissions libraries. if you're lucky you have just a mismatch | 19:07 |
gnarface | there's a known issue | 19:07 |
golinux | I had to use gksu until it was deprecated in beowulf. | 19:07 |
gnarface | oh hmmm. yes it could be a missing package like that, too | 19:08 |
gnarface | i think there were a couple options | 19:08 |
golinux | It is a kinown issue that synaptic doesn't work from system menu. | 19:09 |
golinux | I always use a launcher in the panel | 19:09 |
gnarface | i think it worked if Xorg was launched suid root, but that's no longer the default so you need extra parts | 19:10 |
Zinky | If I install gksu, will it work? | 19:12 |
gnarface | yes | 19:12 |
gnarface | but you'll get a password prompt | 19:12 |
Zinky | that's fine, in fact it's possibly how it ought to be | 19:13 |
gnarface | probably | 19:13 |
Zinky | oh, gksu is already installed. How do I tie it to the xfce menu? | 19:15 |
gnarface | i think it just does | 19:15 |
gnarface | i think the menu is smart enough to use it | 19:15 |
gnarface | i doubt you even have to restart | 19:15 |
Zinky | well I already have it, and the menu doesn't prompt for or open anything | 19:16 |
gnarface | hmm | 19:16 |
gnarface | dpkg-reconfigure menu | 19:16 |
gnarface | or just try logging in and out of Xorg | 19:16 |
gnarface | the daemon may have to actually restart | 19:16 |
gnarface | or it could be package triggers that didn't fire... | 19:16 |
Zinky | I've logged in and out a couple times without anything happening | 19:16 |
gnarface | :( | 19:16 |
gnarface | i'm not actually using any of that here, so i can't tell you off the top of my head what is still wrong | 19:17 |
gnarface | i think it should have worked... | 19:17 |
gnarface | hmmm | 19:17 |
gnarface | do you have consolekit or elogind installed? | 19:17 |
Zinky | yeah they're both there | 19:18 |
gnarface | uh | 19:19 |
gnarface | i think you only want consolekit in your case | 19:19 |
gnarface | they could be interfering with each other i guess | 19:19 |
gnarface | i don't understand it clearly | 19:19 |
gnarface | please read the release notes | 19:19 |
gnarface | at least that section of it | 19:19 |
Zinky | alright | 19:20 |
gnarface | you ran those dpkg-reconfigure commands as root, right? | 19:22 |
Zinky | I did dpkg-reconfigure menu | 19:23 |
Zinky | it didn't seem to do anything | 19:23 |
Zinky | I could revisit the problem some other time I guess | 19:23 |
golinux | Use a launcher | 19:23 |
golinux | in the panel: gksu synaptic or from a terminal | 19:24 |
Zinky | that works fairly straightforward | 19:26 |
Zinky | ly*. How come the menu works in MATE but not in xfce? | 19:26 |
gnarface | it should work... | 19:27 |
gnarface | some package wasn't cleanly reconfigured or something like that | 19:27 |
gnarface | i suspect, anyway | 19:28 |
Zinky | alllright, is there anything I should do drivers wise? I'm on AMD mobility hardware | 19:28 |
gnarface | you may want their non-free firmware package | 19:29 |
Zinky | I think I'll just grab a bunch of proprietary ones... | 19:29 |
gnarface | i forget the exact name of it | 19:29 |
golinux | enable non-free in the sources.list | 19:29 |
gnarface | getting mesa and the kernel from backports may also help with GL performance | 19:29 |
Zinky | hey there's a folder called systemd and there's stuff in it | 19:37 |
Jjp137 | Zinky: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 19:38 |
Zinky | ahh fair enough | 19:39 |
Zinky | where is sources.list kept? | 19:40 |
Jjp137 | in /etc/apt | 19:40 |
Zinky | thx very much ^_^ | 19:40 |
Jjp137 | np! | 19:41 |
Zinky | does playonlinux work on ascii? | 19:50 |
gnarface | probably | 19:53 |
Mithrandir__ | Hi all | 20:51 |
role3 | Hi | 20:51 |
Mithrandir__ | can I install snapd on devuan beowulf? If I can, how? | 20:51 |
Mithrandir__ | ops, mistake, snapd on devuan ascii | 20:52 |
golinux | It's a banned package so not available in Devuan | 20:57 |
golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 20:57 |
golinux | Mithrandir__: ^^^ | 20:58 |
Mithrandir__ | ok... I'd need a newer libreoffice version | 20:58 |
golinux | Try backports | 20:58 |
Mithrandir__ | could be | 20:58 |
golinux | Devuan not directly Debians | 20:58 |
golinux | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 20:59 |
Mithrandir__ | thx golinux | 21:02 |
golinux | YW. | 21:03 |
Mithrandir__ | so I could ativate backports, install libreoffice and comment backports in sources.list | 21:04 |
pitriss | you don't need to comment out backports repo | 21:04 |
pitriss | it shouldn't be used for another than packages form such repo | 21:05 |
pitriss | to use it you need to use apt-get -t ascii-backports install ... | 21:05 |
Mithrandir__ | ok, understood, good | 21:05 |
role3 | Hi | 21:35 |
role3 | Anybody has any idea on how to configure the proper keyboard layout? | 21:35 |
role3 | It works inside a virtual machine. | 21:36 |
gnarface | can you describe your problem more clearly? | 21:46 |
gnarface | need details about what's actually wrong | 21:46 |
role3 | I have a Dell Inspiron laptop, with a portuguese keyboard. The system defaults are in english, since that's the mostly used language. Occasionally I make use of the portuguese layout, to take advantage of the dead keys for accents. The issue is, although the layout maps the keys properly, it doesn't recognizes them as being dead keys, instantly typing the character. | 21:52 |
gnarface | hmmm | 21:53 |
gnarface | i'm not sure what's going on exactly. i'm not even sure the VM is doing it right. | 21:54 |
gnarface | but maybe there's just some other package you need to run dpkg-reconfigure on | 21:54 |
role3 | It works flawlessly in the virtual OS. | 21:55 |
gnarface | oh, you mean the VM isn't even running Devuan? | 21:56 |
gnarface | or...? | 21:56 |
gnarface | oh hmm | 21:56 |
role3 | The VM was runnig Devuan, over this Devuan. | 21:56 |
gnarface | i just thought of something... dpkg-reconfigure is subject to debconf priority. if you have the priority wrong, you might not even get the right questions | 21:57 |
gnarface | well, anyway, stay around for a while. someone is bound to know what's going on eventually. | 21:58 |
role3 | Ok | 21:59 |
gnarface | i really thought it was just locales and keyboard-configuration that you have to reconfigure, but i could be wrong | 21:59 |
role3 | At this points, I have no idea anymore. | 22:00 |
role3 | point | 22:00 |
sincere_fox | setxkbmap br ? | 22:00 |
role3 | Already did that, didn't work. | 22:02 |
role3 | I also edited the /etc/default/keyboard and then rebooted, logged out. | 22:02 |
role3 | still | 22:03 |
role3 | nothing | 22:03 |
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