| rwp | A nice feature of symlink'ing /opt to /usr/local is that if one decides to only back up /home and /usr/local then that would cover most everything they care about. | 00:00 |
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| rwp | For me I like using /usr/local/stow/$name-$version for local software installation and using GNU stow to manage the symlink farm into /usr/local/bin. Works very well. | 00:02 |
| MinceR | i see | 00:10 |
| MinceR | i sometimes symlink stuff under /opt when i run out of space as well | 00:11 |
| rwp | People too often forget about the importance of backup. | 00:15 |
| * golinux did an rsync yesterday | 00:19 | |
| * gnu_srs1 tests | 00:36 | |
| * redrick goofs off, eats a nice bagel. | 00:36 | |
| mcr | looks like ascii-backports has a kernel built with a compiler not available in backports: | 00:40 |
| mcr | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 00:41 |
| mcr | linux-headers-4.18.0-0.bpo.3-amd64 : Depends: linux-compiler-gcc-6-x86 (>= 4.14.17-1~) but 4.9.130-2 is to be installed | 00:41 |
| Jjp137 | mcr, if installing with apt-get or aptitude, make sure you're including "-t ascii-backports" | 01:15 |
| Xenguy | golinux: Do you rsync/mirror/backup to an external hard drive? | 01:31 |
| * Xenguy just uses the traditional /usr/local/src | 01:34 | |
| golinux | Xenguy: Yes. External drive. | 02:32 |
| Xenguy | Makes sense, I was just fishing to see if there was a better mousetrap these days | 02:32 |
| rwp | For *good* backups the rule is 3-2-1. At least 3 copies of your data, on at least 2 different types of media, at least 1 offsite copy. | 03:42 |
| bleb | devuan seems to have removed debian's curses installer; any reason why? | 05:11 |
| Jjp137 | um, it's present on the ISOs within the installer-iso/ directory | 05:16 |
| Jjp137 | that is, the netinst, DVD, and CD ISOs | 05:16 |
| Jjp137 | did you download the live ISO instead, or...? | 05:17 |
| bleb | oh maybe | 05:20 |
| golinux | bleb: The live iso uses the refractainstaller to rsync the running system to the target of your choice. | 05:37 |
| bleb | i see | 05:42 |
| man_in_shack | or you would if you had eyes | 06:14 |
| redrick | bleb: The 'ISO Guide' section on https://devuan.org/ will bring enlightenment (but possibly not actual bodhi). | 06:27 |
| golinux | redrick: LOL! | 06:36 |
| man_in_shack | hmmm | 07:23 |
| brand0n | hola hola | 07:46 |
| redrick | ¡Hola, señor! | 07:56 |
| bleb | what is the purpose of the banned packages list? https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 20:23 |
| bleb | like what does it mean in practice for a package to be on that list? | 20:24 |
| gnarface | bleb: i believe it's just not in the repos. | 20:34 |
| bleb | gnarface: but there are plenty of other packages which aren't in the repos and aren't on that list | 20:35 |
| gnarface | not packages that aren't missing from debian too, surely... | 20:37 |
| bleb | so devuan copies all packages from debian repos to devuan repos, except for those on the banned packages list? | 20:39 |
| bleb | what about packages that are identical in devuan and debian? what's the point of importing them into devuan repos? | 20:40 |
| gnarface | uh, that's *almost* right. it actually copies the unchanged packages dynamically to the client on the fly. only the packages that have been rebuilt are actually physically stored on the servers. check out amprolla3 | 20:41 |
| gnarface | and 2 | 20:41 |
| gnarface | i guess | 20:41 |
| bleb | so what would happen if a systemd-dependent package was mistakenly missing from the banned packages list? | 20:44 |
| bleb | devuan would try to dynamically import it, then...? | 20:44 |
| gnarface | um, i'm not sure if it's an active part of the system. it may just be a copy. you'll have to ask someone else, or check the docs | 20:46 |
| bleb | ok. i'm not sure what docs would have info about that but maybe someone will chime in | 20:48 |
| gnarface | it's most likely in the gitalb somehwere | 20:50 |
| gnarface | *gitlab | 20:50 |
| gnarface | git.devuan.org | 20:51 |
| golinux | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 20:52 |
| golinux | Ta-ta! | 20:52 |
| bleb | ah so it looks like bannedpackages.txt is autogenerated by amprolla | 21:06 |
| bleb | bannedpackages.txt are only packages that transitively depend on banpkgs = {'systemd', 'systemd-sysv', 'file-rc'} | 21:06 |
| koleygr | Hi... can someone tell me how to check if i have anything closed source in my pc? I use the last devuan release (but may be not fully updated) | 21:56 |
| rwp | The "vrms" package is somewhat fun in that area. :-) | 21:58 |
| rwp | Another useful tool in the toolbox for this analysis is "apt-show-versions". | 21:59 |
| koleygr | @rwp... do i have to install toolbox to use "apt-show-versions"? | 22:03 |
| rwp | Sorry for the confusion. No. A toolbox is a collection of your tools. apt-show-versions is a single package. | 22:03 |
| golinux | koleygr: What iso did you use and how did you install? | 22:03 |
| koleygr | @golinux I used the original dvd1 before some months... but for some reason I found the sources to contain "contrib" | 22:05 |
| rwp | Nothing automatically adds contrib to the sources.list file. If it is there then it can only be because a human edited the file and put it there. | 22:06 |
| koleygr | strange... but may be I don't remember correct... I wanted only main and there was something more | 22:07 |
| koleygr | may be not "contrib" but the other (don't really remember the name) | 22:08 |
| rwp | contrib and non-free are the two on the other side of main | 22:08 |
| koleygr | may be was needed for my graphics... did it? I removed just after the install | 22:09 |
| rwp | Possibly. For me, an emacs user, the emacs documentation is under the non-free GNU Free Documentation License, and therefore is only available under non-free. | 22:10 |
| rwp | Oh the irony! | 22:10 |
| koleygr | so... anyway... can I check if there is something closed source now? | 22:10 |
| koleygr | rwp... yes... this is the only non-free I want to have... but can't add these sourses for this | 22:11 |
| koleygr | emacs fun too | 22:11 |
| rwp | The "suite" column in sources.list is about license not closed source. Since my example of that documentation is open source but non-free license. | 22:11 |
| koleygr | found the problem | 22:12 |
| rwp | I think I will stick with the "vrms" suggestion for you. Try it. If that is not enough then look at the output of apt-show-versions and use awk, grep, sed to trim it down. | 22:12 |
| koleygr | firmware-realtek | 22:12 |
| rwp | That is one. It is officially in the non-free suite. However personally I disagree with the politics of "blobs". | 22:13 |
| koleygr | yes... found the way... I thought it is the package... but didn't realised its command has the same name | 22:13 |
| rwp | Blobs is a completely different problem than the problem of non-free licenses. I don't like that they are grouped together. | 22:14 |
| koleygr | thanks rwp... finally there is probably a way for contrib to be added without your will... it is the lan card... and you are right about the difference between licenses and open-source... I am working on something that possibly will not be gnu free but for me will be free-er than gnu | 22:16 |
| koleygr | thanks again.... have to work now... bye | 22:19 |
| golinux | koleygr: Firmware is available if needed for network connection. An "expert" netinst allows to opt out of making firmware available. Video blobs need to be installed manually. | 22:46 |
| golinux | Sorry been afk. | 22:46 |
| koleygr | thnaks golinux | 22:53 |
| golinux | yw | 22:56 |
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