libera/#devuan/ Thursday, 2018-12-27

avboxis there a way without flatpak or snap to install gimp 2.1000:02
djphbuild from source?00:12
jfeldarGuys, login error messages on text login screen just disappears very quickly. How can I make last login error message  permanent during login?03:15
jfeldarThere error messages mostly related with password rules from Active Directory.03:16
XenguyI would see if there is some trace in your logs03:17
XenguyThere is this of course, for bootup situations:  /dmesg |less -im03:17
XenguyAnd other logs in /var/logs03:18
XenguySorry, dmesg |less -im03:18
XenguyAs root?03:18
jfeldarbut the user have to know wht his/her password denied during login03:19
* Xenguy shrugs...03:19
jfeldarError message appears but replaces with login prompt too quickly03:19
redrickjfeldar: As Xenguy says, /var/log/* are your friends.03:54
drwhiteHi folks. If I install Ubuntu or similar and force upgrade using Devuan repos, will that cause it to upgrade to Devuan but maintain packages specific to that system such as drivers and other modifications?03:55
drwhiteas in no SystemD and all that...03:55
redrickdrwhite:  Oh, if only.  Sideways migration from more Debian-ish distros is promising, but *buntu has some profound differences from Debian (and thus from Devuan) at a binary level.03:57
rrqjfeldar: adding -J to the getty line of /etc/inittab should make it not clear the screen after failed login. ALso no clearing for the first login03:57
drwhiteokay.03:57
drwhiteWhat is the best way to go from a *buntu derivative to not having SystemD?03:58
redrickWell, others here are more seasoned Devuan people and might improve on this spitballed advice, but:03:58
redrickdo 'dpkg -l > /tmp/packagelist' to capture the installed packages, for starters.03:59
redrickfdisk /dev/sdX -l > /tmp/partitions-diskX with X as the device letter for each drive, to capture partition map.04:00
drwhiteThe reason is that I'm looking at a device, and it has SystemD on it. I don't want that. So I'm tryign to find if there is a way to get around it and remove it and all.04:00
redrickBack up your data files.  Do 'sudo su -; tar czf /etc-2018-12-26.tar.gz /etc' to snapshot your /etc contents.04:01
redrickMake double-sure you've backed up everything that matters.04:01
redrickDo a fresh install of Devuan-ascii, install apps as per packagelist notes, restore data files, configure system as per /etc snapshot.04:02
redrickNot _quite_ 'blow it away and start over', I hope.04:03
redrickIt should be understood that I meant copy those suckas out of /etc onto, say, a flash drive before doing a fresh Devuan install on new partitions.04:05
redrickI mean, out of /tmp04:05
redrickAnd /etc-2018-12-26.tar.gz, by which I meant /tmp/etc-2018-12-26.tar.gz but got lazy.04:06
redrickOr, if you're over the International Date Line, /etc-2018-12-27.tar.gz .04:07
redrickEr, in /tmp again.04:08
* redrick waves at NZ and AU.04:08
golinuxdrwhite: Devuan and ubuntu are not compatible.04:08
drwhitegolinux: bugger, no way to cross over?04:08
drwhitegolinux: or even bring across drivers or what not and apps?04:09
redrickdrwhite:  Sorry to be the bearer(s) of bad news.04:09
golinuxProbably not successfully.  Try in a VM and see how it goes.04:09
golinuxI think there is a post on the forum from someone who tried.04:10
drwhiteWell it's on an ARM based device. lol04:10
golinuxYou could fix the device you want and repackage it for Devuan.04:10
redrickAs I said, *buntu and De??an are not binary compatible.  https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/41407/is-ubuntu-lts-binary-compatible-with-debian04:11
golinuxSorry for the misread.04:11
golinuxDon't make a Frankendevuan!  Please read:  https://wiki.debian.org/DontBreakDebian04:12
drwhiteIf it is source, then it can be compiled on the other, yes?04:12
golinuxYes.  But removing the systemd stuff might not be so straight forward.04:12
golinuxIt could be a cascade04:12
drwhitegolinux: If a Frankendevuan will allow me to move it from whatever to Devuan and work properly by compatiblising the system, then I'll do it if I have to.04:12
redrick*buntu and De??an are source compatible, just with Some Maintenance and Packaging Required[tm].04:13
drwhiteIf it cascades, then oh well.04:13
drwhiteI'll just rebuild. lol04:13
drwhiteand try again.04:13
redrickdrwhite:  You'll break the system.  We're nice people, so we won't point and laugh.04:13
redrick(I mean, break it if insouciantly combining binary deb repos.)04:15
golinuxBTW the same goes for Mint04:15
drwhiteredrick: I know it would break, that is why I would just rebuild.04:15
drwhiteI would do it again and again until I got it right04:15
redrickWorth a shot!04:15
golinuxMake a bootable iso of your current system to play with in a VM04:16
drwhitebut that wouldn't be on the device04:16
drwhiteSo I wouldn't know if it was going to work or not04:16
redrickIs this ARM device one with removable and replaceable boot media, like SD card or such?04:17
drwhiteno04:17
drwhiteBut I can boot it so that I can image the drive off.04:17
redrickRats.  (The technical term.)04:17
drwhiteMice. (more technical)04:18
redrickMice conducting elegant experiments on humanity, mayhap.04:18
drwhiteif it had a removable drive, I would just clone, put in and try, when fail, clone again.04:18
redrickJa.  I was giving lateral thinking a try, but cold unfeeling reality got in the way again.04:19
drwhiteBut I have to get to boot from media and chase things all over. Luckily it is a Unix based system, so I could configure to dual-boot and jsut boot to the Devuan partition after resizing, and see if it works. lol04:19
drwhiteReality is a harsh mistress.. She hurts me a lot.04:20
redrickAnd gravity sucks.04:20
redrick(Gravity's easy.  Comedy's hard.  (  <- antique gag, revised slightly)04:21
redrickBut seriously-ish, sounds like a plan (dual-boot).04:22
drwhiteYeah, then hit it to be single boot. lol04:24
MinceR"Gravity's a myth. The Earth sucks!"05:31
golinuxMinceR: It's bigger than the earth.  samsara sucks06:03
terra+rrq: Thanks that trick works. Now I have to figure out to clear boot (init) messages when login prompt appears.07:34
golinuxterra: rrq is a wizard . . . ;)07:42
terragolinux: a bot ?07:49
golinuxNo.  Very smart human07:51
debdogcan't be that smart, failed the turing test07:52
* rrq was especially smart in that :)07:55
AnRkeygood morning, everyone08:54
AnRkeyanyone know how to get rpi.gpio working on devuan?08:55
AnRkeyI get this error when importing the module in python on the Pi 3 b+, new one: RuntimeError: This module can only be run on a Raspberry Pi!08:56
AnRkeyi suspect missing deps08:56
golinuxAnRkey: Try #devuan-arm09:37
djphprobably looking for a specific device signature14:19
premobosshello. i am tryyng to do a "kiosk" system that must boot as faster as it can. i add a slashscreen into kernel, removed ligtdm. From /etc/rc.local i start Xorg and then a web wrowser that address to 127.0.0.1 (lightdp running). the problem is that thereis a "black screen" for some time. My wish is to avoid black screen. all my effort was frustrated, i cant avoid it. so i came here asking help. there is a way to start Xorg in14:50
premoboss"background" and chen move to in (chvt 2) after web server is running?14:50
sixwheeledbeast^How quick is the current process14:59
premobosssixwheeledbeast^, do you talk to me?14:59
sixwheeledbeast^yep15:00
premobosswell. from "turn on" to " all show on display" it tooks about 14 sec15:00
premobossi already secompiled kernel to eliminate all not necessary parts. removed all not needed services and so on.15:01
premobossi cleaned the distro more thn possible.15:01
sixwheeledbeast^I can't say i can help but just wondering how quick this needed to be and how much black screen time there is.15:01
premobossblack screen is about 3-4 seconds.15:01
premobossto me is not a problem, but it is "hugly" to see for final users.15:02
sixwheeledbeast^most EPOS i have seen is always on. was just interested in the use case.15:02
premobosswhat is EPOS?15:03
sixwheeledbeast^electronic point of sale15:03
premobossah, ok.15:03
premobossthis is not a EPOS, is kind of toucscreen control for a industrial machine. but because it also must be "nice to see", i am tryind to do te bes als on estetical part of software.15:04
sixwheeledbeast^generally dump epos terminals as a client talking to a epos server. client would always be on during customer opening.15:04
sixwheeledbeast^s/dump/dumb/15:05
premobosseh, cline and server in this case are collpsed onto the same hardware, a embedded board.15:05
premobossthen embedded do the dirty job to control hadware via GPIO15:05
sixwheeledbeast^so the machine is not AOL?15:05
premobosssixwheeledbeast^, no.15:06
premobossit is tirned on, doing his job (no mattrer how much time) then turned off.15:06
premobossso it will be nice to have a silky display activation. i placed a boostrap image charged by u-boot, i added splash screnn into kernel, but i got "black screen" whan Xorg starts. i will like to add a walpaper also to Xorg.15:07
sixwheeledbeast^I see. I would be fine with 4 seconds of black screen in this instance myself. Are you hoping to cover up the delay or reduce it further?15:07
premobosskinda yes. the main goal is to have not black scren at all.15:08
premobossthe main option is to add a wallpaper during Xorg start, so it will be wallpaper in every part of machine booting untill web browser start.15:09
premobossi alreadi tried fbi, fbterm, but noone is able to ELIMINATE ther black screen.15:10
premobossmain goal will be (no mattter i f i must recompile it) ti add a "permanent" wallpaper on Xorg.15:10
premobossi also tryed feh, but all those programm works "over" Xorg, i guess if it is possoble to add walpaper "into" Xorg.15:11
sixwheeledbeast^The only thing I can refer to that maybe of help is the splash screen used in Maemo, this is started at /etc/X11/Xsession.d. It was common for people to make there own splashscreen and edit the upstart script to point to this.15:26
sincere_foxPeople, I am trying to boot from usb and nothing works , not the installer or the live cd15:29
sincere_foxFrom the same pendrive I have booted every other distro I can imagine15:29
sincere_foxI used DD and etcher15:30
premobosssincere_fox, are you sure that USB pendrive still working?16:46
premobossmaybe is hardware failure16:47
sincere_foxpremoboss: I'll try another distro iso to see17:13
premobosssincere_fox, yes.17:14
* furrywolf wonders if sincere_fox is sincerely a fox17:24
offline_mehello17:24
sincere_fox Hey buddy furrywolf17:24
offline_meare migration instruction upto date ? https://devuan.org/os/documentation/dev1fanboy/migrate-to-ascii ?17:25
offline_mebecause the apt [] keyring not working17:25
sincere_foxpremoboss: yeah, seems like the usb is faulty17:28
sincere_foxWeird enough, my system detects it, but not the bios17:28
offline_mealso https://devuan.org/os/packages/devuan-keyring -> 40417:29
debdogoffline_me: mayhap this https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii/Release_notes.txt has some info regarding keyring17:31
debdog*useful info17:31
offline_meok17:36
offline_methx17:36
offline_mei have an error https://paste.debian.net/1057612/18:00
Humpelst1lzchenoffline_me: try apt-get update18:04
offline_meHumpelst1lzchen: already did, it's not working18:05
golinuxsincere_fox: What iso and how did you burn it?18:06
Humpelst1lzchengolinux: the security announcement was 20 minutes ago, maybe not synchronized yet? (no idea)18:08
Humpelst1lzchenohm offline_me^18:08
golinuxLooks like IP: 141.84.43.22 80 is down.18:11
golinuxHumpelst1lzchen: Security stuff is happening on Sat. not today.18:12
golinuxKatolaZ will eventually see this and check.18:14
golinuxMaybe try another mirror? https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/mirror_list.txt18:15
sincere_foxgolinux: I tried the live and the netinstaller and used DD and etcher and neither work18:17
golinuxWell then, try another usb.18:20
offline_methe next release is Beowulf right ? there is an buster to beowulf migration guide somewhere ?18:36
Refpga[m]Hi, I'm installing devuan and there is no option to install GNOME DE in the installation steps. Would I be able to have a working gnome installation afterwords?18:42
golinuxoffline_me: Not an official one.  There is a discussion on the forum:  https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=230118:42
golinuxRefpga[m]: If you want gnome, use Debian.  It is too entwined with systemd and no one here has an interest in trying to sort it.18:43
golinuxI think a few have tried it with varying degrees of success.18:45
Refpga[m]golinux: Thanks18:45
golinuxSearch around to find comment on that.18:45
golinuxyw18:45
Refpga[m]Found this: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=158118:46
Refpga[m]But I'm not getting into that trouble. It's not for my machine anyway.18:47
golinuxThat link is from over a year ago and for jessie.  ASCII is much more intertwined  and beowulf even more18:48
golinuxEven the auto.mirror repo in that thread is deprecated now,.18:51
Refpga[m]Okay18:54
Refpga[m]Thanks18:54
HurgotronHi, a friend wants to have network-manager in xfce, but it doesn't show in the indicator plugin. Does someone happen to know a quick fix?20:01
Hurgotron(or an alternative to network-manager... setting up WLAN manually is a bit painful)20:06
Centurion_Dano/21:11
MinceR\o21:20
rwpHurgotron, I like wicd and wicd-gtk for a graphical widget with systray icon.  You might try that.21:51
James1138You can update the Xfce plugin... https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-indicator-plugin21:54
golinuxJames1138: No you should NOT use anything Ubuntu on Devuan or Debian for that matter22:33
James1138oh... I use stretch-backports myself without any apparent issue.22:47
golinuxJames1138: That could cause you a butt load of hurt down the line.   Why not use devuan backports?23:07
James1138I use them also23:07
golinuxThey are filtered for any nasties lurking there in Debian23:07
golinuxYou get to keep all of the pieces.23:07
James1138Since I also run some windoze games... also took precaution of install GUFW and BitDefender.23:08
golinuxNastied of that kind are not the problem here.23:37
golinuxNasties23:37
golinuxThe source of the pkgs you've installed from Debian is a risk since there is no protection in place to protect you from upgrades that could break Devuan23:39
golinuxBut hey.  Not my problem.23:39

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