| rsevero | Just came back. | 00:55 |
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| rsevero | azarus: I was talking about some tests I did about my specific issue: secondary monitor not working through HDMI on my laptop. It wasn't a general statement about Devuan, Ubuntu, Debian or any other distribution. To be fair, your first question sounded a bit off to me too (but not as much as it sounded to golinux, it seems), but I really understood it as a legitimate question. | 00:58 |
| golinux | Seems it was just the timing that created a misunderstanding. | 01:00 |
| golinux | rsevero: I assume you are on ascii | 01:00 |
| golinux | What is in your sources.iist? dev.devuan.org? | 01:01 |
| golinux | Oops deb.devuan.org of course | 01:02 |
| rsevero | golinux: Yes to all above questions. | 01:04 |
| golinux | Have you diffed the installed packages on both Devuan and Ubuntu? | 01:05 |
| chain | hello! | 01:05 |
| chain | KatolaZ: you're the maintainer of the surf2 browser package right? | 01:19 |
| chain | I was hoping that a more up-to-date version would be available from backports, but now luck, so I built my own from git, but there are some things that I needed to tweak for it to build. | 01:21 |
| chain | First I had to revert this commit: https://git.suckless.org/surf/commit/c60523a702fbc77899457243f1a85e4990adfb97.html | 01:22 |
| chain | The second thing is that the latest version of dmenu adds a new switch, and surf relies on that, so I had to edit config.h | 01:24 |
| chain | and I've changed this: | 01:24 |
| chain | "| dmenu -p \"$4\" -w $1)\" && xprop -id $1 -f $3 8s -set $3 \"$prop\"", \ | 01:24 |
| chain | to this: | 01:24 |
| chain | "| dmenu -p \"$4\")\" && xprop -id $1 -f $3 8s -set $3 \"$prop\"", \ | 01:25 |
| chain | I just wanted to share this in case it's helpful for anyone | 01:26 |
| rsevero | golinux: How would I do it? Regular diff? | 02:13 |
| rsevero | Oh, sorry, you the diff the installed package list, right? | 02:15 |
| rsevero | I believe that to get a meaningful result it would be good to compare Live versions of both, right? | 02:16 |
| golinux | rsevero: I am unfamiliar with how the Debian live version installs packages. I know that Devuan live installs with an rsync of the running system. | 02:31 |
| golinux | I was thinking of the installed package lists from a clean install. | 02:32 |
| rsevero | golinux: How would you suggest I diff the installed packages list on both distributions? | 02:32 |
| golinux | With your favorite diff tool. | 02:34 |
| golinux | I use a very non-standard one | 02:35 |
| rsevero | golinux: I will do t and will report back. But only tomorrow, it's already late around here. | 02:49 |
| rsevero | Thanks. | 02:51 |
| man_in_shack | anyone know of a music ocr program? | 07:00 |
| rrq | some while ago I was at that question, and afair I used waon for wav-to-midi translation and something else to get sheets from midi. never worked too well though. | 07:15 |
| KatolaZ | about surf2: we will drop the package in unstable/beowulf since surf2 is already available from Debian | 11:21 |
| KatolaZ | so there is no need to maintain a copy | 11:21 |
| MinceR | inb4 surf2 acquires a dependency on libsystemd0 | 12:42 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 12:48 |
| KatolaZ | MinceR: ? | 12:49 |
| MinceR | :) | 12:50 |
| KatolaZ | where does that come from? | 12:51 |
| MinceR | debian's tendency to make its packages depend on poetteringware | 12:52 |
| KatolaZ | MinceR: which package? | 12:52 |
| MinceR | well, afaik openssh-server became dependent on libsystemd0, i was playing with the idea of surf2 doing the same | 12:53 |
| KatolaZ | MinceR: are you serious or just kidding? | 12:54 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 12:54 |
| MinceR | kidding | 12:54 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 12:54 |
| KatolaZ | ok | 12:54 |
| MinceR | it will become less funny later | 12:54 |
| KatolaZ | I wouldn't be surprired though, since surf depends on webkit | 12:55 |
| KatolaZ | so you never know | 12:55 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 12:55 |
| * Bjornn sets a windows CD on fire and smokes a cigarette | 13:25 | |
| djph | Bjornn: just don't breathe in the Windows CD fumes -- that leads to thinking systemd is a good thing. anyway, in ontopic things -- ascii is stable, and it more-or-less tracks Stretch, yeah? | 13:38 |
| gnarface | yes, ascii corresponds to stretch | 13:39 |
| djph | thanks, I'm lookin at the site going "okay, I know it's around here somewhere" ... and probably scanning right over it. | 13:40 |
| gnarface | it's somewhere but i forget where | 13:40 |
| gnarface | jessie:jessie, ascii:stretch, buster:beowulf, sid:ceres | 13:40 |
| KatolaZ | djph: www.devuan.org | 13:41 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 13:41 |
| djph | KatolaZ: yeah, I was reading it and eyes were just skipping over it... :| | 13:43 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 13:43 |
| dllbrt | Hi. What desktops are available in devuan? | 14:11 |
| AntoFox | dllbrt: mate, xfce cinnamon | 14:12 |
| KatolaZ | dllbrt: MATE. Cinnamon, KDE, XFCE, LXQt | 14:12 |
| jyri | hmm, $ QStandardPaths: XDG_RUNTIME_DIR points to non-existing path '/run/user/1000', please create it with 0700 permissions. | 14:14 |
| gnarface | certainly there's more than that | 14:14 |
| jyri | that's XDG_RUNTIME_DIR variable is supposed to be created by pam_systemd | 14:15 |
| KatolaZ | jyri: there is no pam_systemd in Devuan.... | 14:15 |
| jyri | I know, that's why | 14:16 |
| jyri | I'm wondering that what set it up | 14:16 |
| chain | hello everyone! | 14:17 |
| KatolaZ | chain: hellp | 14:17 |
| KatolaZ | about surf2, there is no reason to keep forking it | 14:18 |
| KatolaZ | since the version in debian/sid is updated to the latest commit | 14:18 |
| chain | KatolaZ, are you saying that I should use sid repos on my devuan install? | 14:19 |
| dllbrt | Has anyone dug through the code of systemd looking for security breaches/backdoors? Might be interesting to actually find something | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | no chain | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | I am not saying that | 14:22 |
| KatolaZ | I am just saying that the version in ceres will be the latest one | 14:22 |
| chain | oh, ok | 14:23 |
| KatolaZ | and we won't have a separate Devuan version for surf2 any more | 14:23 |
| chain | KatolaZ, I was looking for a more up to date version on pkginfo.devuan.org, but didn't find it, but I'll switch to the ceres version when it's available. | 14:31 |
| KatolaZ | chain: there will be no new versions in ascii | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | unless they come from ascii-updates | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | or ascii-backports | 14:35 |
| KatolaZ | this is not just for surf, but for any package | 14:35 |
| rsevero | Hi. I'm coming back with my "laptop HDMI secondary port not working when connection second monitor" issue. With a Live Ubuntu ISO it works perfectly but with a Live Debian ISO and with my actual Devuan install it doesn't. In Ubuntu it works with open source video drivers. This laptop has a dual video board: Intel/NVidia. Suggestions? | 14:38 |
| rsevero | I'm running the latest 4.18 kernel from backports. | 14:39 |
| gnarface | you actually installed bumblebee, right? | 14:40 |
| gnarface | there's a package in the repo | 14:40 |
| rsevero | gnarface: I just don't know what to do with it ;) | 14:41 |
| gnarface | really? | 14:41 |
| gnarface | do you have the firmware-linux-free package? | 14:42 |
| rsevero | gnarface: Yes and yes. | 14:43 |
| gnarface | how about firmware-linux-nonfree? | 14:43 |
| gnarface | rsevero: here, actually, please try to follow this, tell me where it derails, could you? https://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers/Optimus | 14:45 |
| Mirrr | Hey all | 14:46 |
| Mirrr | I was removing some packages and noticed that apt lists software which is being used to be autoremoved. | 14:47 |
| gnarface | rsevero: (you can skip window-manager specific stuff if it's not relevant to you, i just want to know if you have that part working) | 14:47 |
| rsevero | gnarface: Sure. I will report back. Thanks. | 14:47 |
| Mirrr | I was previously a Fedora user. In the dnf manager, the autoremove function as broken, does the same applies to Devuan's apt? | 14:48 |
| Mirrr | was broken* | 14:49 |
| djph | Mirrr: I've not noticed apt having a broken autoremove | 14:49 |
| gnarface | i don't think so, but it depends on what you mean by broken... | 14:49 |
| KatolaZ | Mirrr: define "broken" | 14:50 |
| KatolaZ | if apt says that something can be removed, then it means that either you have a newer version (due to an upgrade) or the package was installed as a dependency of a package that has been now removed | 14:51 |
| Mirrr | gnarface: Marking packages in use to be removed. | 14:51 |
| KatolaZ | and no, the autoremove is not broken in Devuan | 14:51 |
| KatolaZ | Mirrr: are you sure you don't have another (newer) version of the packages marked for auto-removal? | 14:52 |
| Mirrr | KatolaZ: Not at all, I will check this out. Thanks for the clarification, I'm still getting used to apt. | 14:54 |
| KatolaZ | yw | 14:54 |
| gnarface | rsevero: if you were serious that you didn't know what to do with bumblebee, you just run it before the commands i think... like "bumblebee glxgears" | 14:56 |
| gnarface | rsevero: or wait, maybe it's "optirun glxgears" i'm not sure | 14:57 |
| gnarface | check and see if the package you're missing is primus, i seem to remember that coming up a few times before... | 14:58 |
| rsevero | gnarface: I was deadly serious. I just found out this weekend that my laptop had 2 video boards (and only because a friend told me). I have this laptop for years and as it just worked, I never tried anything fancy with it's video boards. I never used bumblebee (or heard about it before this weekend). | 14:58 |
| gnarface | ok, yea, so basically when you have it working, you prefix the other commands with "optirun" to get them to use the gaming gpu | 14:59 |
| gnarface | i think you can power it on and off too | 14:59 |
| rsevero | gnarface: Just checked. I already had primus installed. Going to lunch now. When I'm back I will follow the instructions on the page you sent me. | 14:59 |
| gnarface | good luck | 14:59 |
| dormito | I just noticed that openldap's slapd (in devuan ASCII) does NOT print it's version number with 'slapd -V' even though "slapd --help" says that -V will print the version (the version number is printed correctly on some other distros). Is this a devuan bug, or an slapd bug (also: how do I figure out the openldap version...) | 15:16 |
| jyri | ldap:~# slapd -V | 15:21 |
| jyri | @(#) $OpenLDAP: slapd (May 23 2018 04:25:19) $ | 15:21 |
| jyri | Debian OpenLDAP Maintainers <pkg-openldap-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org> | 15:21 |
| jyri | on ASCII | 15:22 |
| dormito | yep, note how after "slapd" there is no version number? | 15:22 |
| jyri | yeah, didn't pay any attention to it before | 15:22 |
| dormito | yeah I want to setup my ldap server, but openldaps config options are rather version dependant (at some point they moved from a configfile, to a db based config... and thats just what I happen to remember) | 15:25 |
| r3boot | dormito: you can (still) run OpenLDAP using 'normal' configuration files. olcConfig is nice, but not a hard requirement | 15:26 |
| r3boot | Biggest advantage you get with olcConfig is that you can change your ACLs + slave configs w/o a restart | 15:26 |
| dormito | so w/e version is in ASCII supports olcConfig? | 15:27 |
| jyri | ii slapd 2.4.44+dfsg | 15:28 |
| dormito | jyri: which cmd gave you that? | 15:29 |
| jyri | dpkg -l slapd | 15:29 |
| dormito | ahh '-l', thanks | 15:29 |
| chain | KatolaZ: ok, I've added ceres repos to my sources.list, and there is in fact a newer version of surf there. After that I've set lower priority to ceres packages, because I want the rest of my system to stay on ascii. | 15:57 |
| Bjornn | hmm. I wish I had a spare box to install a clean ascii on | 17:16 |
| golinux | Maybe a VM? | 17:17 |
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