| gnarface | filipdevuan_: `apt-get install [packagename]` implies to upgrade the package if it's already installed | 00:02 |
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| gnarface | it doesn't distinguish between the actions of replace and install at the interface level. the packages themselves figure that out | 00:03 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah they say its newest version but theres newer one on the website available thus online playing this game not possible ;p | 00:07 |
| gnarface | oh, what app is it? maybe there's a newer version in backports? | 00:07 |
| filipdevuan_ | its hedgewars game 0.9.22 in repos but 0.9.24 on website ;d as well as debian repos have 0.9.24 | 00:09 |
| gnarface | ah, but there is a newer version in backports. you're in luck | 00:10 |
| gnarface | 0.9.24.1-dfsg-2~bpo9+1 | 00:10 |
| filipdevuan_ | i have no idea whats backports and how to use them | 00:10 |
| gnarface | this one should work | 00:10 |
| gnarface | i don't know where there are devuan-specific instructions for this, but the instructions from debian here should work, just remember to use "ascii-backports" instead of "stretch-backports": https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/ | 00:11 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok thx | 00:12 |
| gnarface | (after you've upgraded the package, i recommend commenting the backports line out again, to prevent accidents) | 00:12 |
| filipdevuan_ | :) | 00:12 |
| gnarface | no problem | 00:12 |
| filipdevuan_ | ok ill try | 00:12 |
| filipdevuan_ | why jessie not stretch?? | 00:13 |
| gnarface | what? cause their example is old. i said use ascii-backports. don't get confused by the fact they're showing you stretch-backports and jessie-backports examples. | 00:14 |
| gnarface | do i need to clarify that you need to use the devuan repos, not the debian repos in their example lines too? | 00:15 |
| gnarface | i just meant that they're showing you the same process | 00:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | still get the same thing | 00:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | hedgewars is already the newest version (0.9.22-dfsg-11+b1). | 00:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | i typo apt-get -t jessie-backports install hedgewars | 00:16 |
| gnarface | you forgot it is "-t ascii-backports" | 00:16 |
| filipdevuan_ | ohh | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | ohh... | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | sorry lol im tired | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | i thought u said jessie instead of stretch | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | my bad | 00:17 |
| gnarface | it's ok | 00:17 |
| filipdevuan_ | now i think i failed cuz W: The repository 'http://ftp.debian.org/debian ascii-backports Release' does not have a Release file. | 00:19 |
| filipdevuan_ | fk it it doesnt matter i only need newer version of hedgewars to be able to play multiplayer | 00:19 |
| filipdevuan_ | im just checking various open source games | 00:19 |
| gnarface | dude | 00:21 |
| gnarface | you gotta think a little bit less literally here | 00:21 |
| gnarface | i just told you not to use the debian hostnames in the line | 00:21 |
| gnarface | ftp.debian.org | 00:21 |
| gnarface | you don't see a problem with that? | 00:21 |
| gnarface | i only gave you the debian instructions because i thought you'd be able to interpret them if you'd read what i said | 00:22 |
| filipdevuan_ | so devuan instead then | 00:22 |
| filipdevuan_ | hahah sorry im too tired to think i been on computer all day today and yesterday didnt even go out | 00:23 |
| gnarface | yes, you're adding devuan backports. i just gave you the debian instructions because it was the only example i knew of | 00:23 |
| filipdevuan_ | its okay i think im too stupid for this today, its okay, thanks gnarface. | 00:26 |
| gnarface | filipdevuan_: i assure you though, it will work if you do it right. by all accounts, the version you need is standing by. | 00:27 |
| gnarface | maybe it'll make more sense if you got some sleep first. | 00:27 |
| filipdevuan_ | its not just sleep i have been in for two days my brain misses oxygen | 00:30 |
| golinux | NO! get it from devuan-backports!!! | 00:34 |
| golinux | Not stretch!!! | 00:35 |
| debdog | but oxygen even is in ASCII :P | 00:35 |
| debdog | oops, OT | 00:36 |
| armin | ok so a friend of mine has the problem to find the -live or -minimal-live images perfect, APART from the fact that it auto-starts services and auto-starts X when booting the media. is there any cure? we would be fine with building our own custom iso files for that matter. | 01:31 |
| gnarface | it is probably easier to build your own minimal live iso with whatever component of refracta does that than customize the existing live image but i'm not sure | 01:37 |
| gnarface | the amd64 and i386 live images don't just start a GUI, they contain a lot of GUI tools taking up space you wouldn't want on a headless server | 01:38 |
| gnarface | you could just modify it to stop Xorg or remove the login manager, but then you'd still be stuck with a bunch of graphical utilities wasting space | 01:39 |
| gnarface | and then there's the question of whether you're really sure you want a "live" image actually | 01:39 |
| gnarface | (since in most cases it's better to run it off the harddrive if you have one) | 01:39 |
| Jjp137 | there's some refracta-related documentation here; in particular refractasnapshot might be useful: https://www.ibiblio.org/refracta/documents.html | 01:44 |
| golinux | Try refracta.org too. | 02:52 |
| TurBo_biT | Hi guys... | 12:34 |
| TurBo_biT | can anyone tell me please where can I find the OpenPOWER ISOs? | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: hi | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | which ISOs? | 12:34 |
| TurBo_biT | just found the x86 | 12:34 |
| gnarface | he means power9 | 12:34 |
| gnarface | we don't have any TurBo_biT | 12:34 |
| gnarface | nobody does | 12:34 |
| TurBo_biT | for Devuan powerpc | 12:34 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: there are no isos for ppc as yet | 12:35 |
| TurBo_biT | :P :((( | 12:35 |
| gnarface | they need some build hardware i think? | 12:35 |
| TurBo_biT | ok, thank you so much | 12:35 |
| KatolaZ | we do have a build host | 12:35 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: we might have a mini.iso with the unstable installer soon | 12:36 |
| TurBo_biT | KatolaZ, nice! | 12:36 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: please stay around for testing it then :) | 12:36 |
| TurBo_biT | I will have a TalosII next week, so, now I have a work to do... | 12:37 |
| TurBo_biT | hope help you to release | 12:37 |
| KatolaZ | good | 12:37 |
| KatolaZ | we do have access to a Talos | 12:37 |
| KatolaZ | and might get access to another one | 12:37 |
| TurBo_biT | good! | 12:37 |
| TurBo_biT | what percentage of development the ppc version is? | 12:38 |
| TurBo_biT | (sorry for my english..., really I'm tarzan...) | 12:38 |
| TurBo_biT | XDDD | 12:38 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: quite low atm | 12:40 |
| TurBo_biT | KatolaZ, do you know where is most necessary help? | 12:40 |
| KatolaZ | TurBo_biT: rebuilding the packages we have forked | 12:42 |
| KatolaZ | and testing | 12:42 |
| TurBo_biT | ok, when I have it I will came back and we will see what can I do | 12:43 |
| TurBo_biT | thank you KatolaZ | 12:43 |
| KatolaZ | sure TurBo_biT | 12:44 |
| KatolaZ | thank you | 12:44 |
| esr | Hello, just had a Davuan installation failure on an Intel NUC due to kermel's falure to see the NIC. It's not a gundamental problem, just a missing alias. When is the next kernel refresh expected? | 17:40 |
| djph | whenever you decide to update it... | 17:46 |
| esr | djph: Not that simple. I mean kernel refresh *on the install image*. | 17:58 |
| djph | next release probably ... whenever that may be. | 17:59 |
| esr | Sure, I have Devuan running live on another box and can update that kernel, but that doesn't help unless there is a canned preocedure for making an install image from a live instance. | 18:00 |
| KatolaZ | esr: which image are you using? | 18:06 |
| esr | KatolaZ: 2.0.0 AMD DVD | 18:08 |
| KatolaZ | esr: why the DVD wants the network at all? | 18:08 |
| esr | The live image runs OK without it, but I'm going to need the installed OS to talk to that NIC. | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | esr: at which point does the install fail? | 18:09 |
| KatolaZ | if the live sees it, the installed system will see it as well | 18:09 |
| esr | Live image complains of not being able to see the NIC. I can run locally or use WifI but for prdoction use I prefer a gard link. Less snoopable. | 18:11 |
| esr | It's not a driver problem, the NIC works with the stock e1000 driver. | 18:11 |
| KatolaZ | esr: then I don't understand what is the problem | 18:12 |
| esr | But the NUC NIC presents an ID that the kernel does not recognizeas a valid alias for the driver. | 18:12 |
| esr | Missing entry in a table somewhere. A trivial thing to fix in source. | 18:13 |
| esr | A more recent kernel would very likely fix this. | 18:14 |
| KatolaZ | esr: just modprobe the driver | 18:14 |
| esr | Er, can modprobe tell it about an ID it doesn't know? | 18:15 |
| KatolaZ | esr: if you don't need the nic at install time, you can install a more recent kernel from -backports | 18:16 |
| KatolaZ | so you just finish the install | 18:16 |
| KatolaZ | and then get a kernel from backports | 18:17 |
| esr | KatolaZ: OK, I'll try that next time. This time the NUC has been put in production as my wife's desktop - running Mint - and she will be displeased if I futz with it without good reason. (Righly so I might add.) | 18:19 |
| * KatolaZ shrugs | 18:19 | |
| esr | But I might well get another NUC. They're cute. | 18:19 |
| KatolaZ | NUC? | 18:20 |
| esr | Intel NUC. Small-form-factor system, I like to call them "compute bricks". | 18:20 |
| esr | NUC = Next Unit of Computing. | 18:20 |
| KatolaZ | esr: are you the esr "from wesnoth"? :) | 18:20 |
| esr | KatolaZ: Yes. | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | nice to see you here ;) | 18:21 |
| esr | You...might have heard of me from elsewhere... (ducks and runs) | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 18:21 |
| KatolaZ | yeah, maybe, I don't remember though | 18:22 |
| esr | If Devuan lives up to its billing I'll move my whole hoise to it. I haven't made a lot of noise about not like systemd in public, but I want to be well clear when it blows up. | 18:23 |
| esr | hoise->housw | 18:23 |
| KatolaZ | esr: we are trying our best | 18:24 |
| KatolaZ | survived against the odds for four years now | 18:24 |
| esr | Well, if it passes my acceptance tests you'll have me in your corner. Which is not an entirely trivial thing. | 18:26 |
| KatolaZ | esr: the most important thing is to have Devuan around and alive :) | 18:28 |
| esr | KatolaZ: Quite. | 18:34 |
| mtnman | helo | 22:34 |
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