| Xenguy | Trip report (in this case from the trailing edge ; -) : | 00:34 |
|---|---|---|
| Xenguy | Installed Jessie on a fresh hard drive last night... | 00:34 |
| Xenguy | My plan was to do the install, then: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade | 00:35 |
| Xenguy | Upgrade to ASCII I mean | 00:35 |
| Xenguy | It chose the Expert Install option, and all was good until the Boot Loader phase... | 00:36 |
| Xenguy | I got some error message (which I stupidly did not write down) that basically said GRUB couldn't write the MBR, and it was EFI-related... | 00:36 |
| Xenguy | When the install went forward, it was clear I had no boot loader configured... | 00:37 |
| Xenguy | Then I noticed an option for LILO of all things, so I tried that and it seemed to work, where GRUB had not... | 00:37 |
| Xenguy | (The only problem with LILO is that while it boots up OK, it is very slow, like maybe a pause of like 45 seconds while it completes some 'BIOS check' or w/e... | 00:38 |
| Centurion_Dan | Xenguy: Anything on the edge like that, if it's not in the console to be captured, have a camera handy or better still a video camera to capture the messages. | 00:38 |
| Xenguy | ) | 00:38 |
| Xenguy | Centurion_Dan: Makes sense | 00:39 |
| Xenguy | Anyhow, I'm wondering if I'd have any better luck just installing straight to ASCII: would it play any nicer with EFI than Jessie would? | 00:39 |
| Xenguy | Oh BTW this is my first time using an SSD hard drive... | 00:40 |
| Centurion_Dan | It makes it easier for debugging and being able to reproduce given issues. | 00:40 |
| Xenguy | And also the first time I've ever had a problem writing to the MBR | 00:40 |
| Centurion_Dan | Xenguy: Ascii should be better with EFI then jessie, but Jessie worked fine too.. | 00:40 |
| Xenguy | Centurion_Dan: OK, maybe I'll see if I can snag Ascii with this install, then try installing it... | 00:41 |
| Xenguy | I'm also wondering if maybe I need to tweak the BIOS settings for EFI at all? | 00:41 |
| Centurion_Dan | (U)EFI does require an EFI partition - I'd suggest atleast 10MB, and recommend gpt. | 00:41 |
| Centurion_Dan | instead of mbr | 00:42 |
| Xenguy | I'm a bit allergic to messing with those areas of the disk honestly | 00:42 |
| Xenguy | If I have to I could, but I try not to | 00:42 |
| Xenguy | Duly noted, in any case | 00:42 |
| Xenguy | I may just try setting 'Legacy Mode', if there is one, to ON | 00:43 |
| * Centurion_Dan dreams of getting paid to setup a complete automatation test harness for virtual and physical system installs | 00:43 | |
| Xenguy | That's a lovely vision | 00:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | just do manual partitioning... | 00:44 |
| Xenguy | cfdisk, or ...? | 00:45 |
| Centurion_Dan | (one day I'll get around to fixing the partitioning templates to properly do UEFI)... | 00:45 |
| Centurion_Dan | in the first partition menu on the installer you get the option to select "manual partitiioning" | 00:45 |
| Xenguy | Are you suggesting I use that opportunity to configure this 'EFI partition' you referred to? | 00:46 |
| Centurion_Dan | yup | 00:46 |
| Xenguy | Taken under advisement | 00:47 |
| Xenguy | thank you | 00:47 |
| Centurion_Dan | ;-) | 00:47 |
| Xenguy | I can't IRC while I'm installing, so I'll be offline | 00:48 |
| Xenguy | Gonna try an install of Ascii if I can, and will capture any error message this time | 00:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | Cool! | 00:51 |
| Xenguy | Trip Report Update: | 04:25 |
| Xenguy | Installing Ascii directly solved the EFI problem. GRUB was happy, and so was I | 04:25 |
| Xenguy | Now going to massage the file generated by dpkg --get-selections | 04:26 |
| Xenguy | To get my software back | 04:27 |
| Xenguy | BTW, the standard install worked just fine for me, whereas the 'expert' install I found especially fussy. | 04:34 |
| Xenguy | But I suppose that's what it's for | 04:35 |
| Centurion_Dan | I pretty much do an expert install - setup network console to continue installing via an ssh session - select only ssh-server in the package manager, and just before reboot execute a shell to drop in my ssh pubkey so I can ssh back in after reboot. | 05:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | I tend to hand pick what I need just to keep things light - especially when running vps's | 05:02 |
| mooseface420 | hello i am new | 06:39 |
| mooseface420 | I am looking to run IntelliJ IDEA on Linux which requires GNOME or KDE desktop. Can I use one of these with devuan jessie and also not use systemd | 06:41 |
| gnarface | seems like it: https://pkginfo.devuan.org/cgi-bin/d1pkgweb-query?search=kde&release=jessie | 06:42 |
| mooseface420 | nice. thanks | 06:43 |
| gnarface | no problem | 06:44 |
| mooseface420 | do you how how I would go from the torrent to a USB stick using windows 10? | 06:55 |
| gnarface | i'm sorry, no | 06:56 |
| mooseface420 | then install to an NVMe | 06:57 |
| richardo1nay | mooseface420: look at etcher.io | 06:57 |
| gnarface | i don't know anything about windows, i'm sorry | 06:57 |
| richardo1nay | mooseface420: its a cross platform GUI for writing images to usb | 06:58 |
| mooseface420 | richardonnay: thanks | 07:04 |
| mooseface420 | should i do CD or DVD iso | 07:08 |
| gnarface | use the netinstall | 07:08 |
| gnarface | unless you are installing to a computer without an internet connection, the netinstall is usually faster | 07:09 |
| gnarface | (because you don't have to copy everything twice) | 07:09 |
| gnarface | the CD/DVD isos are only really more useful for machines without an internet connection | 07:10 |
| man_in_shack | as if you even HAVE the internet | 07:36 |
| nacelle | once upon a time companies sold the internet in a box... | 08:00 |
| mooseface420 | Installing GRUB boot loader failed. I have another drive with encrypted windows plugged in. What do i do? | 08:44 |
| gnarface | mooseface420: don't install grub to that one | 10:41 |
| mooseface420 | it doesn't let me decide where to install GRUB (or the other one, LILO or something) | 10:46 |
| gnarface | really, it doesn't give you any choices at all? | 10:47 |
| gnarface | if you have two drives as you've inferred, you should at least see options for /dev/sda and /dev/sdb | 10:48 |
| mooseface420 | if I don't force EUFI it simply won't install? | 10:48 |
| gnarface | i would think | 10:48 |
| mooseface420 | I unplugged all other drives | 10:48 |
| gnarface | is there a uefi and non-uefi image? yes, you need the right one. | 10:48 |
| mooseface420 | but firmware has boot info for windows. if I force uefi will that delete my win10 product key. will I even be able to boot windows? | 10:49 |
| gnarface | i'm not 100% sure that's what this problem is, i thought the installer wouldn't even boot if you had the wrong one... but i could be mistaken | 10:49 |
| mooseface420 | doing net install this time | 10:49 |
| gnarface | oooh | 10:49 |
| gnarface | i see | 10:49 |
| mooseface420 | amd64 | 10:49 |
| gnarface | secure boot is tricky | 10:49 |
| gnarface | it depends on your hardware vendor | 10:50 |
| gnarface | some of them will let you put your own keys in, some won't | 10:50 |
| gnarface | some will even let you just disable it | 10:50 |
| gnarface | and some won't interfere with unsigned boot images/hardware by default | 10:50 |
| mooseface420 | I have boot compatibility mode on in my BIOS | 10:51 |
| gnarface | but other vendors try to use it to force you to keep windows on there | 10:51 |
| gnarface | (or punish you for taking it off) | 10:51 |
| mooseface420 | what the heck. yeah it's a z-170a mobo | 10:51 |
| gnarface | z-170a, asus? | 10:51 |
| mooseface420 | ya | 10:51 |
| gnarface | asus usually has sane default settings, but i don't know what win10 may have done to it | 10:52 |
| gnarface | how'd you get all the way to the last step of the install if it couldn't find your harddrives though? something still doesn't add up here | 10:52 |
| mooseface420 | I guess I could reset to defaults. Been tweaking the bios for the last year or so | 10:53 |
| gnarface | did you actually look at the secure boot settings? | 10:53 |
| mooseface420 | when i did DVD both boot loaders failed to install | 10:53 |
| gnarface | there might be something in there about it protecting the MBR too | 10:53 |
| gnarface | i would go into advanced mode and see if you could figure it out | 10:54 |
| mooseface420 | secure boot was greyed out because compatibility mode on to support other non-microsoft OSes | 10:54 |
| gnarface | hmmmm | 10:54 |
| gnarface | "compatibility mode" i'm not sure what that does | 10:54 |
| gnarface | look, here's the short version, you do have to be careful | 10:54 |
| gnarface | and i don't know exactly what you need to do | 10:54 |
| mooseface420 | Compatibility Support Module | 10:55 |
| mooseface420 | resetting bios to defaults. I'll redo my overclock settings later | 10:56 |
| mooseface420 | Secure Boot Violation, lol | 10:57 |
| gnarface | well | 10:58 |
| gnarface | ok | 10:58 |
| gnarface | so you're either gonna have to add keys or disable secure boot | 10:58 |
| gnarface | if you have some keys in there for win10 you need, you should probably back them up first | 10:59 |
| gnarface | just to be safe | 10:59 |
| mooseface420 | my windows drive not even plugged in I guess that would be an insecure boot lol | 11:01 |
| mooseface420 | usb stick booted when i clicked ok | 11:02 |
| mooseface420 | I think it skipped the force uefi screen this time now with the default bios settings | 11:04 |
| gnarface | another thing that may be wrong is you might not have the SATA drives set to AHCI mode in the bios? | 11:05 |
| gnarface | it could matter what they're set to, they could show up in a weird place i think in some cases if they're set to something strange | 11:05 |
| mooseface420 | unplugged all my sata devices. only storage is usb stick and NVMe | 11:05 |
| gnarface | hmmm. i wonder if there's even a driver for it | 11:06 |
| gnarface | for the NVMe | 11:06 |
| mooseface420 | everything is fine until boot loader step | 11:07 |
| gnarface | yea that is interesting | 11:07 |
| gnarface | i wonder if you try it again, pick expert mode this time, and do manual partitioning, and don't encrypt it, if it still fails at the boot loader step? | 11:08 |
| gnarface | don't use lvm either | 11:08 |
| gnarface | just do a plain manual partitioning layout as a test to see if that works | 11:08 |
| gnarface | hopefully it'll ask you where to install grub and you can pick the right spot even if the default is wrong | 11:08 |
| mooseface420 | yeah grub failed to install again. gonna try expert and manual i guess | 11:09 |
| mooseface420 | LILO won't install either | 11:09 |
| gnarface | this is the ascii version you're using? | 11:09 |
| gnarface | or jessie? | 11:10 |
| mooseface420 | jessie | 11:10 |
| gnarface | you might want to try ascii. the kernel in jessie is a lot older | 11:10 |
| gnarface | unless you have a specific reason to need that old of a version of everything | 11:10 |
| mooseface420 | hmm yeah | 11:10 |
| gnarface | but whatever that reason is, it may be compatible with such new hardware | 11:11 |
| gnarface | sorry, *incompatible | 11:11 |
| gnarface | it may be incompatible with such new hardware, i meant to say | 11:11 |
| gnarface | it could be as simple of a glitch as it being named strangely | 11:12 |
| gnarface | so maybe expert mode will give you luck | 11:12 |
| gnarface | i guess, try expert mode first, and if that doesn't work try the ascii version | 11:13 |
| mooseface420 | my first run through i did expert mode with encrypted lvm. same boot loader failure | 11:17 |
| mooseface420 | trying ascii | 11:17 |
| mooseface420 | how do I select the stupid checkboxes when not in graphical mode | 11:25 |
| mooseface420 | pressing enter is continue | 11:25 |
| mooseface420 | oh space works. dumb | 11:25 |
| mooseface420 | partition table type msdos looks to be the default will try that | 11:29 |
| mooseface420 | "no root file system" | 11:31 |
| mooseface420 | I missed something | 11:31 |
| mooseface420 | dunno. did the guided instead | 11:32 |
| Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: what are you trying to achieve | 11:53 |
| Centurion_Dan | ? | 11:53 |
| mooseface420 | dual boot windows and linux on separate drives | 11:59 |
| mooseface420 | currently trying to install grub for devuan ascii without overwriting master boot record with windows on it | 12:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | Win10? | 12:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | so it's UEFI? | 12:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | Does Win10 run ok with secureboot disable. | 12:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | ? | 12:01 |
| mooseface420 | Centurion_Dan: yeah. tried installing GRUB to second usb stick but my comp didn't boot (windows drive unplugged but NVMe with devuan plugged in) | 12:01 |
| devoid_ | uefi is simple | 12:02 |
| devoid_ | just create a fat32 partiton | 12:02 |
| mooseface420 | then tried installing GRUB to "NVMe-" and a bunch of numbers | 12:02 |
| devoid_ | and make sure you have BOOT/BOOTX64.EFI under it | 12:02 |
| devoid_ | i think | 12:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | ascii or jessie? | 12:02 |
| mooseface420 | there are two NVMe partitions listed. one is swap i guess. I guess I need a free partition for grub? | 12:03 |
| mooseface420 | ascii now | 12:03 |
| Centurion_Dan | use gpt, you'll have to manually partition... | 12:03 |
| mooseface420 | not sure how to manually partition from installer. last time it said "no root file system" | 12:04 |
| Centurion_Dan | easy enough, I can walk you through it. | 12:04 |
| mooseface420 | ok i'm on the manual partition screen | 12:05 |
| mooseface420 | options are RAID, LVM, encrypted volumes, and iSCSI volumes | 12:06 |
| mooseface420 | also my NVMe is displayed | 12:06 |
| mooseface420 | and my usb stick | 12:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | so select the bare NVME and | 12:07 |
| man_in_shack | oh fun | 12:07 |
| mooseface420 | ok now it has empty partition table, free space | 12:07 |
| Centurion_Dan | it should prompt for creating a new partition table - select gpt | 12:07 |
| mooseface420 | I click on free space, it gives options of create a new partition, Automatically partition free space, and SHow Info | 12:08 |
| man_in_shack | this the devuan installer thingy? | 12:09 |
| mooseface420 | how many MB does GRUB need | 12:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | click on the nvme disk itself to select the start with a clean slate | 12:09 |
| man_in_shack | ^ | 12:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | and select gpt | 12:10 |
| man_in_shack | you need to make sure you have a gpt-type partition TABLE, not just get the partition right | 12:10 |
| man_in_shack | dos-style partition table won't help you | 12:10 |
| mooseface420 | "You have selected an entire device to partition"... | 12:10 |
| mooseface420 | All current partitions will be removed | 12:10 |
| mooseface420 | did that. now there is 480GB free space | 12:11 |
| man_in_shack | and it's definitely gpt now? :) | 12:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: technically UEFI will work with mbr, but windows 10 will probably barf... | 12:11 |
| mooseface420 | I opted not to force UEFI | 12:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | you in compat mode? | 12:12 |
| mooseface420 | so I can still boot win10 | 12:12 |
| Centurion_Dan | or you mean secureboot... yes that should be off. | 12:12 |
| Centurion_Dan | but not legacy mode. | 12:12 |
| man_in_shack | insecureboot lyf | 12:12 |
| Centurion_Dan | anyway back to partitioning | 12:13 |
| Centurion_Dan | in uefi grub will use the uefi part for it's bootloader. | 12:13 |
| filipdevuan_ | devuan is too good to be true is it real or just a dream?? | 12:14 |
| mooseface420 | secure boot state is enabled but greyed out. I have z-170a | 12:14 |
| Centurion_Dan | make part1 100MB, and set the type to UEFI | 12:14 |
| mooseface420 | Launch Compatibility Support Module is enabled | 12:14 |
| mooseface420 | OS Type is Other OS to support non-secure boot OSes | 12:15 |
| Centurion_Dan | you need to put it in UEFI mode and turn off secureboot. | 12:15 |
| * Centurion_Dan goes to find specs on z-170a | 12:15 | |
| mooseface420 | honestly can't figure out how to disable secure boot | 12:17 |
| mooseface420 | done it on a laptop before but this bios is weird | 12:18 |
| man_in_shack | man | 12:18 |
| man_in_shack | that's backwards | 12:18 |
| man_in_shack | usually it's harder to configure laptop bios | 12:19 |
| mooseface420 | Yeah I'm 99% sure setting to Other OSes disabled secure boot | 12:19 |
| mooseface420 | got no secure boot violation and devuan installer came up | 12:19 |
| man_in_shack | that sounds right to me | 12:20 |
| mooseface420 | what do i need to put in UEFI mode? | 12:20 |
| man_in_shack | what manufacturer is your mobo? | 12:20 |
| mooseface420 | asus | 12:20 |
| man_in_shack | fun | 12:20 |
| man_in_shack | they're meant to be GOOD | 12:20 |
| mooseface420 | dick pain overclocking too | 12:21 |
| man_in_shack | useful info | 12:21 |
| man_in_shack | not that i give a fuck about overclocking (: | 12:21 |
| mooseface420 | i really don't want to have to force UEFI mode | 12:21 |
| man_in_shack | so bios sounds like it's already looking for uefi stuff | 12:21 |
| man_in_shack | you also need gpt-type partition table, and a fat32 partition marked as "uefi system" type | 12:22 |
| mooseface420 | do I need to partition my drive using something other than the devuan netinstaller? | 12:22 |
| man_in_shack | if it wasn't for windows randomly deleting stuff, you could try putting your uefi bootloader in the windows 10 system partition :P | 12:23 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: Centurion_Dan seems to think there's an option for it in the devuan installer | 12:23 |
| man_in_shack | i honestly have no idea | 12:23 |
| man_in_shack | i converted an existing debian system to devuan | 12:23 |
| mooseface420 | ok I always select no for Force UEFI installation so I can still boot win10 from SATA ssd | 12:24 |
| mooseface420 | 100MB partition should be Logical or Primary? | 12:25 |
| man_in_shack | so fun thing, if devuan installs in mbr mode, then the worst thing that will happen is your bios won't boot to it and you'll have to start the installation over again | 12:25 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: gpt doesn't have logical or primary partitions | 12:25 |
| Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: page 2-54 in the manual | 12:26 |
| man_in_shack | heh | 12:26 |
| mooseface420 | Haven't seen gpt option | 12:26 |
| man_in_shack | at first i was like "wwaaaaattt that's 52 pages of manual" and then i realised it's section 2 page 54 | 12:26 |
| mooseface420 | where is the manual lol | 12:26 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: you might need "force uefi installation" then | 12:26 |
| Centurion_Dan | (106 of the pdf) | 12:27 |
| Centurion_Dan | https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/Z170-A/HelpDesk_Manual/ | 12:27 |
| Centurion_Dan | https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/LGA1151/Z170-A/E10611_Z170-A_UM_V2_WEB.pdf | 12:27 |
| mooseface420 | oh the mobo manual | 12:28 |
| Centurion_Dan | ;-) | 12:29 |
| mooseface420 | ok so secure boot is disabled i'm 99% sure. else how would I be booting from usb stick | 12:29 |
| Centurion_Dan | It's not explicit, but I think you need to set advanced mode. | 12:30 |
| Centurion_Dan | to turn off CSM. | 12:30 |
| mooseface420 | CSM should be off? | 12:31 |
| Centurion_Dan | unless your running old hardware it shouldn't be needed. | 12:31 |
| man_in_shack | csm = legacy bios boot mode | 12:31 |
| mooseface420 | does it matter? should i reboot and change it | 12:31 |
| mooseface420 | and maybe gpt is only an option if you Force UEFI, which I'm not doing | 12:31 |
| man_in_shack | yah that's what i'm thinking mooseface420 | 12:32 |
| Centurion_Dan | that will allow you to turn on and off secureboot I think.. | 12:32 |
| Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: won't effect selecting gpt. | 12:32 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: i'm gonna guess that turning csm off will make it harder to boot the usb stick :) | 12:32 |
| Centurion_Dan | shouldn't. | 12:33 |
| Centurion_Dan | ascii installer is uefi enabled. | 12:33 |
| man_in_shack | oh good | 12:33 |
| man_in_shack | listen to the guy who's done this stuff before :D | 12:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | you'll may need to select expert install to change the part type | 12:34 |
| Centurion_Dan | I helped build it ;-) | 12:34 |
| mooseface420 | I set CSM to disabled. 'Secure Boot state' is still greyed out, saying 'Enabled' | 12:35 |
| mooseface420 | I can never get it to not be greyed out, unselectable | 12:35 |
| man_in_shack | i helped demolish it :P | 12:35 |
| gnarface | mooseface420: you have the bios interface mode set to advanced, right? | 12:36 |
| Centurion_Dan | you in advanced mode? | 12:36 |
| mooseface420 | yeah. WIndows UEFI mode executes secure boot check. Other OS mode doesn't say either way but that seems to imply no check | 12:37 |
| mooseface420 | Also, I don't get the Secure Boot Violation when it's in Other OS mode | 12:37 |
| man_in_shack | i think you want "other os mode" | 12:37 |
| man_in_shack | just check if your win10 still boots with that on (it should) | 12:37 |
| Centurion_Dan | Ah, Other OS mode should be fine. | 12:38 |
| mooseface420 | it does, i think it's been on that for a while | 12:38 |
| Centurion_Dan | so boot the installer... | 12:38 |
| Centurion_Dan | /me starts a vm to follow along... | 12:39 |
| mooseface420 | ok doing expert install | 12:39 |
| mooseface420 | going to select cfdisk-udeb component | 12:39 |
| Centurion_Dan | don't need to. | 12:40 |
| Centurion_Dan | just work through the to the partitioning stage... you'll get more pages... but | 12:41 |
| Centurion_Dan | nothing too difficult, and the defaults should be ok. | 12:41 |
| mooseface420 | ok going to select No for Force UEFI | 12:41 |
| mooseface420 | partitioning manually | 12:42 |
| mooseface420 | NVMe still has old partitions from previous installation attempt. 463GB primary, 17.1GB logical (swap) | 12:43 |
| mooseface420 | what i do | 12:43 |
| Centurion_Dan | any lvm? | 12:43 |
| mooseface420 | no | 12:43 |
| gnarface | there should be an option to remove partitions | 12:44 |
| mooseface420 | Creating new empty partition table on this device | 12:44 |
| mooseface420 | msdos | 12:44 |
| mooseface420 | ok now 480.1GB FREE SPACE | 12:44 |
| gnarface | was it supposed to be a gpt partition, not msdos? | 12:45 |
| Centurion_Dan | do it again and select gpt | 12:45 |
| mooseface420 | ohhh | 12:46 |
| mooseface420 | that screen | 12:46 |
| mooseface420 | ok did gpt | 12:46 |
| mooseface420 | creating 100MB partition | 12:46 |
| mooseface420 | at beginning | 12:46 |
| Centurion_Dan | yup | 12:47 |
| mooseface420 | naming grub_part | 12:47 |
| mooseface420 | select done? | 12:47 |
| Centurion_Dan | Then I'd suggest a 500M /boot part (ext2 is fine for this) | 12:47 |
| mooseface420 | ok 500 now | 12:48 |
| Centurion_Dan | then lvm for the rest (leaving space for if you want to install windows on the nvme later)... | 12:48 |
| mooseface420 | lvm will include swap space for ssd? | 12:48 |
| mooseface420 | or i need three partitions | 12:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | the 100m needs to be set to EFI volume type. | 12:49 |
| man_in_shack | why lvming? | 12:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | mooseface420: yes, swap on lvm is fine... | 12:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: Eases future expansions, migrations etc. | 12:50 |
| mooseface420 | how do I do EFI volume type | 12:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | select the partition and the second line: "Use as" | 12:51 |
| mooseface420 | Mount point? | 12:52 |
| mooseface420 | oh above that | 12:52 |
| mooseface420 | Reserved BIOS boot area? | 12:52 |
| Centurion_Dan | should be UEFI or EFI option | 12:53 |
| mooseface420 | Ext4, Ext3, Ext2, btrfs, JFS, XFS, FAT16, FAT32, swap area, Reserved BIOS boot area, physical volume for encrypting, physical volume for RAID, physical vol for LVM, do not use this partition | 12:54 |
| man_in_shack | "reserved bios" is used for legacy pcbios thingies | 12:54 |
| mooseface420 | I didn't force UEFI mode | 12:55 |
| Centurion_Dan | you need to force uefi mode... | 12:56 |
| mooseface420 | how will I boot win10 | 12:56 |
| mooseface420 | there is a master boot record or whatever | 12:57 |
| Centurion_Dan | hmmm hangon ...reading mb manual... | 12:58 |
| man_in_shack | did you disable csm and test win10 boot? | 12:58 |
| mooseface420 | no | 12:58 |
| man_in_shack | well that will be the way to make sure it will still boot | 12:59 |
| man_in_shack | but short answer: win10 has its own uefi system partition | 12:59 |
| man_in_shack | and you can have however many as you like | 12:59 |
| man_in_shack | there's a set of tools to manage the uefi boot menu and select which partition it loads its bootloader from and stuff like that | 13:00 |
| man_in_shack | oh shit i just realised | 13:00 |
| man_in_shack | i need to replace my mobo because faulty and i gonna have to go through this shit | 13:00 |
| Centurion_Dan | windows10 will be uefi... | 13:01 |
| mooseface420 | ok maybe the MBR is from previous installation or something | 13:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | csm should be forced enabled... (stupid manual written in chinglish)... | 13:02 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: mbr on the nvme drive you formatting? | 13:03 |
| mooseface420 | not sure where it is honestly. firmware or something | 13:04 |
| man_in_shack | nope | 13:04 |
| man_in_shack | mbr is on the hdd/ssd/wherever | 13:04 |
| man_in_shack | you'll be fine | 13:04 |
| mooseface420 | plugged my win10 sata ssd back in | 13:04 |
| mooseface420 | can't get BIOS or windows | 13:04 |
| man_in_shack | wat | 13:04 |
| mooseface420 | black screen or no signal | 13:04 |
| man_in_shack | can't get to bios with your win10 plugged in? | 13:05 |
| man_in_shack | make sure you haven't knocked your gpu | 13:05 |
| gnarface | oh yea, you reset to bios default mooseface420, remember? you probably gotta set the add-on gpu to boot first | 13:06 |
| mooseface420 | but if it's gpu then shouldn't my mobo hdmi out work now | 13:08 |
| mooseface420 | it's not | 13:08 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: does it work when you take the sata drive out again? | 13:08 |
| mooseface420 | wow, no | 13:11 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 13:11 |
| man_in_shack | i get this sometimes with the gpu not sitting right | 13:11 |
| man_in_shack | try reseating thaat | 13:11 |
| man_in_shack | or is it integrated into cpu? | 13:12 |
| mooseface420 | no it's gtx1070. screwed in tight. never had any issues before | 13:12 |
| man_in_shack | right | 13:12 |
| man_in_shack | other troubleshooting: reset cmos | 13:12 |
| mooseface420 | actually lemme plug usb stick back in and try | 13:13 |
| man_in_shack | oh sheet | 13:13 |
| gnarface | he already did reset the cmos, that's what i'm thinking caused this | 13:13 |
| man_in_shack | hope the usb hasn't shorted out | 13:13 |
| gnarface | i'm still thinking he may need to put some bios setting back... | 13:13 |
| gnarface | i guess i could be wrong | 13:13 |
| man_in_shack | everyone is always wrong | 13:14 |
| devoid_ | no im not | 13:14 |
| mooseface420 | switched monitors. weird. working now | 13:15 |
| mooseface420 | with usb stick in | 13:15 |
| man_in_shack | oh good | 13:16 |
| mooseface420 | pluggin sata in again | 13:16 |
| man_in_shack | did the first monitor decide to turn itself off completely? :P | 13:17 |
| mooseface420 | no, weird tho | 13:17 |
| man_in_shack | yah | 13:17 |
| man_in_shack | i vote gnarface stop breaking everything | 13:18 |
| man_in_shack | (: | 13:18 |
| gnarface | i didn't mean to | 13:18 |
| mooseface420 | something is screwy | 13:20 |
| mooseface420 | drive not showing in bios | 13:20 |
| man_in_shack | it's your graphics card that's screwy | 13:21 |
| man_in_shack | <mooseface420> no it's gtx1070. screwed in tight. never had any issues before | 13:21 |
| man_in_shack | :D | 13:21 |
| mooseface420 | i suppose i could enable CSM again | 13:21 |
| man_in_shack | shouldn't need it | 13:21 |
| mooseface420 | not sure what to do | 13:22 |
| man_in_shack | make sure all your cables are firmly in the drive/mobo | 13:22 |
| man_in_shack | is the sata drive ssd or hdd? | 13:22 |
| mooseface420 | ssd | 13:22 |
| mooseface420 | should probably go back to defaults or something | 13:22 |
| man_in_shack | can try that, see if the drive comes up | 13:23 |
| man_in_shack | or try a different sata port | 13:23 |
| mooseface420 | tried two ports. they all three worked an hour ago | 13:23 |
| mooseface420 | only diff in BIOS from default is Launch CSM is disabled | 13:24 |
| mooseface420 | and EZ mode off advanced mode on | 13:24 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 13:25 |
| man_in_shack | give default settings a try then | 13:25 |
| man_in_shack | and make sure the cables are all firmly in place | 13:27 |
| mooseface420 | my sata hdd not showing either | 13:27 |
| mooseface420 | my hdd is spinnging | 13:28 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 13:28 |
| mooseface420 | on default settings | 13:28 |
| mooseface420 | not sure if it was before | 13:28 |
| man_in_shack | still not showing on default? | 13:28 |
| mooseface420 | my drives showing up now | 13:29 |
| man_in_shack | yay | 13:29 |
| man_in_shack | so now do that "other os" boot mode thingy | 13:29 |
| mooseface420 | ok Other OS is on and windows booted | 13:32 |
| mooseface420 | one of my USB sticks with ascii installer on it freezes my bios | 13:34 |
| man_in_shack | oh fun | 13:34 |
| mooseface420 | other one is fine. booted into installer now | 13:35 |
| man_in_shack | good | 13:35 |
| mooseface420 | dunno what i'm gonna do | 13:35 |
| man_in_shack | poke Centurion_Dan in the eye until he comes back and helps you again | 13:35 |
| mooseface420 | Centurion_Dan: | 13:35 |
| man_in_shack | force uefi, format your nvme with gpt partition | 13:35 |
| mooseface420 | i don't need a separate partition for swap space? | 13:41 |
| man_in_shack | that's the usual way to do it | 13:42 |
| man_in_shack | you need at a minimum, uefi boot partition, and a / (root) partition | 13:42 |
| mooseface420 | usual is with swap partition or not | 13:42 |
| man_in_shack | usual is with swap | 13:42 |
| man_in_shack | it's easier (and nicer) to set up swap on a partition | 13:43 |
| man_in_shack | you get the boot partition working? | 13:43 |
| mooseface420 | fat32 for the big partition? | 13:45 |
| mooseface420 | with OS on it | 13:45 |
| man_in_shack | no | 13:46 |
| mooseface420 | physical volume for LVM? | 13:46 |
| man_in_shack | Centurion_Dan recommended lvm | 13:46 |
| mooseface420 | default is Ext4 | 13:46 |
| man_in_shack | yah | 13:46 |
| man_in_shack | ext4 will work fine for you | 13:46 |
| mooseface420 | ok | 13:46 |
| man_in_shack | or btrfs if you're feeling a little adventurous | 13:46 |
| mooseface420 | ok 20GB swap, 500MB for boot, 460 ext4 | 13:47 |
| mooseface420 | 460GB | 13:47 |
| man_in_shack | seems fine to me | 13:47 |
| man_in_shack | how much actual ram do you have? | 13:48 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: hell no ... don't use butterfs.. | 13:48 |
| man_in_shack | FINE | 13:48 |
| man_in_shack | margarinefs instead | 13:48 |
| man_in_shack | Centurion_Dan: why not btrfs? | 13:48 |
| Centurion_Dan | your sure to slip in that greasy mess.. | 13:49 |
| man_in_shack | (: | 13:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | experimental... forever... | 13:49 |
| Centurion_Dan | sorry, fell asleep at the kb | 13:49 |
| man_in_shack | depends who you talk to :P | 13:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | /boot and efi are real parts not lvm... | 13:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: btrfs will never be ready for prime time. | 13:51 |
| man_in_shack | works for my /home | 13:51 |
| Centurion_Dan | it's just unreliable.... | 13:51 |
| man_in_shack | fine then, i'll just write my own filesystem | 13:52 |
| man_in_shack | blackjackandhookersfs | 13:52 |
| Centurion_Dan | nearly 2am here... need to go to bed... | 13:53 |
| Centurion_Dan | sorry... | 13:54 |
| Centurion_Dan | o/ | 13:54 |
| mooseface420 | software 80% installed | 13:55 |
| man_in_shack | yay | 13:55 |
| mooseface420 | Cleaning up... | 13:56 |
| mooseface420 | Force GRUB installation to the EFI removable media path? | 13:57 |
| Centurion_Dan | y | 13:57 |
| mooseface420 | wow linux booted | 13:59 |
| mooseface420 | thanks guys | 13:59 |
| Centurion_Dan | yay... and goodnight.... | 13:59 |
| man_in_shack | ^ | 13:59 |
| Centurion_Dan | ;-) | 13:59 |
| man_in_shack | does it dual boot properly? | 13:59 |
| Centurion_Dan | zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz | 13:59 |
| mooseface420 | goodnight. i should check that my win10 boots | 13:59 |
| mooseface420 | YAHOO! | 14:00 |
| mooseface420 | windows boots still | 14:01 |
| man_in_shack | winnar | 14:01 |
| man_in_shack | mooseface420: now, what did you do to youtube? | 14:01 |
| mooseface420 | down again? | 14:01 |
| man_in_shack | "A team of highly trained monkeys has been dispatched to deal with this situation." | 14:01 |
| Centurion_Dan | after plugging in windows drive and making sure the nvme is booting first, then you can run as root update-grub and it will detect and add windows to the grub boot menu... | 14:02 |
| man_in_shack | he says it's already dual-booting (: | 14:02 |
| mooseface420 | works for me | 14:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | cool.. ;-) | 14:02 |
| * man_in_shack drops Centurion_Dan in a volcano | 14:02 | |
| man_in_shack | cool enough for you? | 14:02 |
| Centurion_Dan | of to bed before head hits kbd.... | 14:03 |
| Centurion_Dan | \o | 14:03 |
| man_in_shack | ok | 14:03 |
| mooseface420 | now i just have to figure out how to use linux, haha | 14:05 |
| mooseface420 | how do install IntelliJ | 14:07 |
| mooseface420 | looks like plasma kde is working so intellij should run | 14:08 |
| gnarface | you might have to get their installer, i don't see it in the repo | 14:09 |
| gnarface | i just see these two packages which i assume are related: libintellij-annotations-java, libintellij-annotations-java-doc | 14:10 |
| gnarface | looks like it's just a tar.gz file | 14:11 |
| gnarface | from here maybe? https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/download/#section=linux | 14:11 |
| mooseface420 | i extracted but how do i run | 14:13 |
| mooseface420 | oh there's a txt explaoining | 14:13 |
| filipdevuan_ | is there something like tweaking with sound on devuan so everything sounds better?? | 14:14 |
| mooseface420 | devuan comes with jdk8 right? how do I get it on the IntelliJ IDEA classpath | 14:16 |
| mooseface420 | meh, i'll do that tomorrow | 14:18 |
| gnarface | mooseface420: find out where it is by default for openjdk. i forget where it is | 14:18 |
| gnarface | java uses openjdk by default | 14:19 |
| gnarface | *devuan uses openjdk by default | 14:19 |
| mooseface420 | ok i think i found it at usr/lib/jvm | 14:20 |
| mooseface420 | how do i add JAVA_HOME | 14:20 |
| mooseface420 | to environment vars | 14:20 |
| gnarface | if you want it permanent, add it to your ~/.bash_profile | 14:20 |
| gnarface | if you just want to test it you can just set it with "export" | 14:21 |
| mooseface420 | oh yeah bash profile. haven't done that since college | 14:21 |
| mooseface420 | oh no, the vi nightmares are coming back | 14:22 |
| gnarface | you can use nano instead, it is nice and friendly | 14:23 |
| mooseface420 | what the heck. there's java-1.8.0-openjdk-amd64 and java-8-openjdk-amd64 | 14:24 |
| gnarface | i'm sorry i don't know what the difference is | 14:25 |
| mooseface420 | there's only one java 5 maybe i use that hehe | 14:26 |
| gnarface | try this: apt-cache search ^openjdk | 14:26 |
| mooseface420 | lol how do i backspace in vi my mind is blown | 14:28 |
| filipdevuan_ | yeah nano is great | 14:29 |
| filipdevuan_ | i use it as well :P | 14:29 |
| nemo | mooseface420: vim would already make that more pleasant | 14:31 |
| nemo | backspace I mean ☺ | 14:31 |
| mooseface420 | how to save and exit in nano | 14:32 |
| filipdevuan_ | ctrl x | 14:32 |
| filipdevuan_ | then it asks you if u wanna save and u press y | 14:33 |
| filipdevuan_ | then enter and done | 14:33 |
| mooseface420 | thx | 14:33 |
| filipdevuan_ | no worries my pleasure :P | 14:33 |
| mooseface420 | meh. java setup is its own can of worms. i should sleep or something | 14:34 |
| mooseface420 | is gvim still a thing | 14:35 |
| mooseface420 | I hated them all. I used mousepad for c++ or whatever the basic bitch ascii editor was | 14:35 |
| gnarface | i think gvim is still a thing | 14:36 |
| mbuf | I am using "dd if=devuan_jessie_1.0.0_armhf_chromeveyron.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1M && sync" on a 16 GB sandisk with one partition of type 83, but, after the dd command, the USB disk has two partitions, p1 with 16M for the ChromOS kernel and the p2 with only 1.7GB that says "Microsoft basic data". The image boots with Devuan fine though. Why so? | 18:45 |
| mbuf | *ChromeOS | 18:46 |
| mbuf | Why is p2 not taking the rest of the 14GB that is available? What needs to be done for the same? | 18:46 |
| aggrora | I think you need to manually extend the partition to use the unallocated space with a tool like gparted. At least that is the instructions I got here some time ago, and it worked fine :) | 18:52 |
| mbuf | aggrora, after the completion of the dd command? | 18:53 |
| aggrora | Well, I used it for a month in my rpi. But yes, after dd. | 18:54 |
| aggrora | But I guess you can just open up any disk utillity you got and extend the partition | 18:55 |
| aggrora | *in my rpi before exteding* | 18:55 |
| mbuf | aggrora, just did that using gparted | 18:56 |
| mbuf | aggrora, now the USB does not boot on the Asus C201. I just get a beep sound if I try to boot it using Ctrl+u | 18:58 |
| mbuf | aggrora, I am able to mount the resized partition fine on a Parabola system though | 19:00 |
| aggrora | Hmm, ok. But you said you had chromeOS on the stick as well? | 19:02 |
| aggrora | What is a Parabolla system? :) | 19:02 |
| mbuf | aggrora, Parabola GNU/Linux-libre distro | 19:02 |
| mbuf | aggrora, no, the img setups the ChromeOS kernel in the first partition | 19:03 |
| aggrora | ooh ok | 19:03 |
| aggrora | Well, I merely knows what worked for me. Maybe it's diffrent with sd-cards? I missed you used a usb-stick at first | 19:06 |
| aggrora | strange though | 19:06 |
| KatolaZ | mbuf: you need to resize the partitions after you boot into that | 19:06 |
| KatolaZ | (there is no way to know in advance which size your USB stick/SD card will be...) | 19:07 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, I see | 19:08 |
| KatolaZ | mbuf: be careful: you need to use gparted or gdisk | 19:11 |
| KatolaZ | the partition is a gpt one | 19:12 |
| KatolaZ | fdisk will get confused and will bork it | 19:12 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, cannot use resize2fs directly? | 19:15 |
| KatolaZ | mbuf: you need to resize the *partition* first | 19:17 |
| KatolaZ | and then the *filesystem* afterwards | 19:17 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, okay, they are two different things | 19:18 |
| KatolaZ | yes, they are | 19:20 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, in gdisk, have to use "x" (experts only) and then s (resize partition table) | 19:20 |
| KatolaZ | mmmhhh | 19:22 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 19:22 |
| KatolaZ | you first need 'x' | 19:23 |
| KatolaZ | then 'e' | 19:23 |
| KatolaZ | (to relocate the backup structures at the end | 19:23 |
| KatolaZ | and then you just remove the second partition and re-create it | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | save | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | reboot | 19:24 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, will try | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | and then resize2fs | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | you don't need 's' | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | 's' is to resize the partition table, not a single partition | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | (and I am referring to gdisk above) | 19:24 |
| KatolaZ | we did the same some time back for somebody here | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | I asked the person to write a post on DNG or on dev1galaxy | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | dunno if they did it | 19:25 |
| KatolaZ | that would be helpful, I guess | 19:25 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, when you say remove second partition and re-create it, what commands are for them? | 19:25 |
| mbuf | Re-formatted the disk with the .img and now it is booted | 19:27 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, I have done 'x' and 'e' | 19:35 |
| KatolaZ | mbuf: good | 19:36 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, used 'm' to go to the previous menu, 'd' to delete the second partition | 19:36 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, 'n' to create a new second partition. What should be the Hex code or GUID? 8300? | 19:37 |
| KatolaZ | 'n' to create a new one | 19:37 |
| KatolaZ | o_O | 19:37 |
| mbuf | Used 8300 as it is Linux filesystem | 19:38 |
| mbuf | Should I now use 'w' to write table to disk and exit? | 19:38 |
| KatolaZ | yeah | 19:38 |
| KatolaZ | have you printed the partition table? | 19:38 |
| KatolaZ | does it look right? | 19:38 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, yes, the second partition now says 14.5 GB | 19:38 |
| KatolaZ | great | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | save | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | boot | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | resize2fs | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | write a howto about that | 19:39 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, how to save? | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | and then live happily ever after | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | 'w' | 19:39 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, I did that; now I need to reboot? | 19:39 |
| KatolaZ | nope | 19:40 |
| KatolaZ | (maybe not) | 19:40 |
| KatolaZ | but it is safer to | 19:40 |
| * mbuf reboots | 19:40 | |
| KatolaZ | mbuf: write an howto about that please | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | and post it on dev1galaxy | 19:41 |
| KatolaZ | and/or on DNG | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | so other people can use it | 19:42 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, will put it in my blog | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | nope mbuf | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | please post it in dev1galaxy | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | :\ | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | and/or DNG | 19:42 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, okay | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | so that people who look for it, can actually find it | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | thanks | 19:42 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 19:42 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, now I have to do "resize2fs /dev/sda"? | 19:43 |
| KatolaZ | no | 19:43 |
| mbuf | or /dev/sda2 | 19:43 |
| KatolaZ | /dev/sda2 I guess | 19:43 |
| KatolaZ | but I am not in front of your computer, remember... | 19:43 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 19:44 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, now "df -h" says / is 13G | 19:44 |
| mbuf | KatolaZ, awesome! | 19:44 |
| * mbuf saves the IRC conversation | 19:48 | |
| fugitive | Hi everyone. Wanted to ask, what is your prefered way of resolving dependency hell to say. My colleagues at work uses aptitude, but wanted to hear your opinion if someone is in mood :) can't give any concrete example atm, but let say, how do you solve if there are requirements to fix dependencies for some package that is from testing f.e. | 22:00 |
| debdog | a) do not mix repos (not even backports). compile stuff yourself if it's not there. | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | why would a package in stable require something from testing? | 22:02 |
| debdog | b) if there is a problem aptitude gives the most useful outputs (IMHO, not have tested apt yet) | 22:02 |
| fsmithred | if you're running the stable release and you need a package that's newer, get it from backports if it's there, or else backport it yourself | 22:04 |
| fugitive | well, some of the recent ``issues'' were, that devs required mariadb-10.3, and it is in /testing still, some other case, colleagues usually update only critical pkgs at system, and that might require sometimes dependency issues | 22:05 |
| fugitive | s/require/cause | 22:07 |
| fsmithred | only if you update to versions that are not in the current repo | 22:08 |
| fugitive | well yea, that would be one of the common cases | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | you might need to backport the dependencies, too | 22:09 |
| fsmithred | we talking about servers or workstations that have a desktop? | 22:10 |
| fugitive | 'raw' servers :) | 22:11 |
| fsmithred | then you might get away with running beowulf (currently testing) | 22:12 |
| fugitive | sorry, maybe you missunderstood me, not problem in using testing or stable, i wanted to hear, is aptitude prefered over apt-* utils for handling those kind of issues? tbh, i haven't experienced some major issues with dependencies since i used devuan (desktop) personally , all i was doing was update/upgrade, and in 99.9% of that would work | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | oh | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | chocolate or vanilla? | 22:17 |
| fugitive | :)) | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | aptitude has better ideas when things don't go smoothly | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | ideas/suggestions | 22:17 |
| fugitive | heh | 22:17 |
| fsmithred | aptitude automatically removes the deps when you remove the package, apt-get puts them on the autoremove list | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | apt has a pretty green progress bar, and apt can't be used in scripts | 22:18 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s blah... uses a better format for its output than apt-get -s blah... | 22:19 |
| meowschwitz | if a Debian package (in e.g. sid) has no dependencies on systemd, how does it travel into Devuan? I'm looking at amanda, it builds from Debian sources under Devuan without change, so sid is like 3 releases ahead of ascii - how and when does an update on devuan side occur, what do I need to read? | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | every couple of minutes, amprolla updates the repo | 22:21 |
| fsmithred | whatever is in sid is in ceres | 22:22 |
| fugitive | yea, that's what i thought, maybe once i had some local nvidia issues, and someone from here helped, maybe it was you, can't remember :) but it was via apt-* stuff, and from what i recall, was bit messy, not to say pain in the *** to fix it. And since i have habbit to not use frontend for pkgs (even thou they make your life easier), but since i recently started with aptitude, figured it is noobish easy | 22:22 |
| fugitive | to fix dep issues | 22:22 |
| meowschwitz | fsmithred: so non-infected packages do not require devuan maintainership and are merged automatically? | 22:22 |
| fsmithred | meowschwitz, yes | 22:22 |
| meowschwitz | fsmithred: I am assuming devuan policy matches debian policy wrt packages and so nothing is filtered out? e.g. there's no case a non-infected package from Debian is missing in Devuan? | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | fugitive, you might need to specify the package version in some cases | 22:23 |
| fsmithred | meowschwitz, they should all be there except for the ones we banned | 22:24 |
| fugitive | yeah | 22:24 |
| meowschwitz | fsmithred: is there a list of those? | 22:24 |
| fsmithred | yes | 22:24 |
| fugitive | okay, just wanted to hear about it from someone of devs :-) Cheers! | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | take care, fugitive | 22:25 |
| meowschwitz | fsmithred: is it public? | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | meowschwitz, I have to remember the link. It might be at pkginfo.devuan.org | 22:25 |
| meowschwitz | google shows nothing | 22:25 |
| fsmithred | I think there was a list at pkgmaster.devuan.org | 22:26 |
| meowschwitz | thanks, I'll look | 22:26 |
| meowschwitz | http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 22:26 |
| fsmithred | you beat me to it | 22:27 |
| meowschwitz | what's the rationale for banning? | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | needs systemd | 22:27 |
| meowschwitz | and assumingly unfixable? or just not cleaned? | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | we're not banning libsystemd0 at this time | 22:27 |
| fsmithred | not necessarily unfixable | 22:28 |
| meowschwitz | so if they were fixed in upstream, they'd be unbanned? | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 22:28 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure | 22:28 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: elogind provides an equivalent to libsytemd0 - elogind0 | 22:28 |
| meowschwitz | I'm also assuming anything that hard depends on banned packages is also either fixed or banned | 22:28 |
| Centurion_Dan | *libelogind0 | 22:29 |
| meowschwitz | okay, this is something to look at | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, I haven't tried that yet. I can remove libsystemd0 if I have that? | 22:29 |
| meowschwitz | thanks for the help | 22:29 |
| fsmithred | yw | 22:30 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: if you install elogind it will replace libsystemd0 (i believe) | 22:53 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: oops, no... I'm wrong on that... | 23:33 |
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