| gnu_srs | FYI: MATE works with consolekit not elogind. | 00:45 |
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| * man_in_shack flails | 07:36 | |
| D_Vito | Greetings! | 13:12 |
| D_Vito | I am very happy to say that I fixed the problem of my Devuan installation, and now it is fully operative! Devuan is so great!! | 13:13 |
| Xenguy | D_Vito: Congrats and enjoy : -) | 14:40 |
| D_Vito | :) | 14:50 |
| buZz | lol, some arch user updated his computer , received a update for logind , systemd -CLOSED LOGIND- to restart it, which led to full Xorg closing and the update installation getting cancelled | 15:15 |
| buZz | cant even think up these issues :P rofl | 15:15 |
| djph | that's *awesome* | 15:18 |
| MinceR | lol | 15:20 |
| MinceR | that's like when debian did an update from a cronjob, which caused cron to be restarted, which killed the session from which the cronjob was started, killed the cronjob and failed the update | 15:21 |
| djph | ouch | 15:27 |
| D_Vito | terrible | 15:40 |
| buZz | MinceR: longrunning cronjobs? | 15:56 |
| buZz | i'd just cronjob a 'start job.sh' then | 15:56 |
| MinceR | not that longrunning | 15:57 |
| MinceR | it's just that systemd/*logind kills processes belonging to a session when that session ends | 15:57 |
| MinceR | even though nobody asked for this | 15:57 |
| MinceR | (that is, by default) | 15:57 |
| buZz | lol | 15:57 |
| buZz | you know , i feel that if systemd would -JUST- be a init system, we wouldnt even have issues with it | 15:58 |
| MinceR | someone was even burned by elogind with this | 15:58 |
| MinceR | yeah | 15:58 |
| MinceR | in part because if it was just an init system, we could swap it out easily if we didn't want it | 15:58 |
| D_Vito | Big problem is modularity | 16:00 |
| D_Vito | I use Kali 2, but ot comes with systemd. Everything was very unstable | 16:00 |
| D_Vito | *used | 16:00 |
| Vonor_ | o/ | 18:34 |
| D_Vito | hey fsmithred, i solved my problem :D | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | great! | 18:34 |
| D_Vito | mounted the usb, then installed firmware-misc-nonfree, so I could use the wi-fi adpter | 18:35 |
| fsmithred | D_Vito, did you have to make a symlink, or did apt find the usb? | 18:45 |
| D_Vito | it did not find | 18:46 |
| D_Vito | I had o mount /dev/sdb1 on /media/usb | 18:47 |
| D_Vito | then put this file:/media/usb on sources.list | 18:47 |
| buZz | D_Vito: yay! | 18:47 |
| D_Vito | then apt-get update | 18:47 |
| buZz | devuan does install a whole bunch of (wifi adapter) firmwares, but i guess not that one | 18:47 |
| D_Vito | after that, installed the firmware, cinnamon, wicd, build-essential and problem was solved | 18:48 |
| D_Vito | I think the blue internet cable I used is in terrible quality | 18:52 |
| D_Vito | actually I heard ths blue cables are crap | 18:52 |
| Centurion_Dan | D_Vito: what wifi chip? | 19:04 |
| D_Vito | the wi-fi adapter is alfa awus036nh | 19:05 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, what are you doing up at this hour??? | 19:06 |
| fsmithred | btw, I'm in the middle of upgrading ceres | 19:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | it's 7am | 19:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: cool. | 19:06 |
| Centurion_Dan | I promised KatolaZ i'd patch dak to fix udeb imports again... | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | I had to use aptitude and take the second option, because of change from libsane1 to libsane | 19:07 |
| fsmithred | couldn't tell what apt-get would do, because it scrolled off the buffer | 19:07 |
| Centurion_Dan | did debian rename libsane1 package and not set a Replaces: and Provides: ?? | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | maybe | 19:08 |
| Centurion_Dan | that's sloppy of them... | 19:08 |
| fsmithred | well, the way things work these days compared to a few years ago, I'm not surprised | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | I think I want my lenny back | 19:09 |
| Centurion_Dan | file a bug report with debian... | 19:09 |
| fsmithred | lol | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | I'll be back in a few minutes to report on the upgrade. | 19:11 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: it's libsane in ascii too... did it change from jessie then or before that? | 19:23 |
| fsmithred | I'm not sure when libsane changed | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | eudev upgraded without any issues. got 3.2.7-2 now | 19:26 |
| fsmithred | Centurion_Dan, libsane is in all from jessie to ceres | 19:28 |
| fsmithred | libsane1 is only in ceres | 19:28 |
| ExtraCrispy | Hello. | 19:28 |
| ExtraCrispy | What is the difference between Debian with sysvinit and Devuan? | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | devuan would contain packages that devuan recompiled to not require systemd | 19:29 |
| fsmithred | or to put it another way, you must have systemd installed in debian, even if you don't use it | 19:30 |
| nemo | https://git.devuan.org/devuan-packages | 19:30 |
| nemo | fsmithred: even if "you" don't use it, plenty of other stuff is ☺ | 19:30 |
| fsmithred | do all those non-init functions get used when it's not init? | 19:31 |
| ExtraCrispy | fsmithred: I see. | 19:32 |
| nemo | fsmithred: like dbus? | 19:32 |
| ExtraCrispy | I am a ParrrotSec admin and we are thinking of changing to | 19:32 |
| ExtraCrispy | Devuan | 19:32 |
| fsmithred | oh, cool | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | someone tried a devuan-parrot already, but I'm sure you guys can do it better | 19:33 |
| fsmithred | I'll find the discussion for you. Might be something useful in there, and I don't remember any details. It was awhile ago. | 19:34 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I'm actually quite curious about that if you find out... | 19:34 |
| nemo | fsmithred: it's such a big sprawling thing and I have no idea what needs to be run as PID1 and what doesn't | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | about parrot or dbus? | 19:34 |
| ExtraCrispy | For sure.We did talk on it a while back again but for some reason we chose to stay on Debian | 19:34 |
| fsmithred | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1928 | 19:35 |
| fsmithred | ExtraCrispy, I think I know why you stuck with debian - buster was more ready than beowulf | 19:36 |
| ExtraCrispy | fsmithred: Yeah i guess. | 19:38 |
| fsmithred | I'm reading the discussion now. We played with it last march. It might be possible now (or soon) to migrate from buster to beowulf. | 19:39 |
| ExtraCrispy | fsmithred: I dont understand your shit. | 19:42 |
| ExtraCrispy | Recreate the list? | 19:42 |
| ExtraCrispy | You mean just install while i have chnaged to devuan for instance? | 19:43 |
| fsmithred | ExtraCrispy, you talking about installing from live-CD? | 19:44 |
| fsmithred | I wouldn't try to install and upgrade at the same time | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | actually, you'd likely run out of RAM if you tried a full upgrade when running live. | 19:45 |
| ExtraCrispy | Live?No | 19:45 |
| fsmithred | install to hard drive, boot into the installed system, change sources and upgrade | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | no | 19:46 |
| ExtraCrispy | JUst install Parrot in a VM then get the packages,upgrade to devuan and recreate | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | sorry | 19:46 |
| ExtraCrispy | I dont get the recreate thing. | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | before upgrade, you need to install sysvinit-core and reboot | 19:46 |
| ExtraCrispy | Yeah yeah of course the whol migration | 19:46 |
| fsmithred | where are you getting 'recreate'? | 19:47 |
| ExtraCrispy | And since it is mate i gotta do the gnome steps as well? | 19:47 |
| ExtraCrispy | fsmithred: Another option would be to get the package list and try to recreate it in devuan. | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | oh | 19:47 |
| ExtraCrispy | You said it in the discussion you sent | 19:47 |
| fsmithred | yeah, build it up from scratch in devuan instead of changing sources from debian to devuan | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | start with minimal install and add packages and any custom configs | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | which is what I assume official parrot devs would do | 19:48 |
| fsmithred | or do you guys build it with live-build? | 19:49 |
| ExtraCrispy | Well it wont be that difficult to test | 19:49 |
| ExtraCrispy | At least fir home its gonna be easy | 19:49 |
| fsmithred | do you include debian-installer? | 19:49 |
| ExtraCrispy | We need some coding i guess for a few shit | 19:50 |
| ExtraCrispy | Yes. | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | d-i might be tricky | 19:50 |
| fsmithred | there are a few folks who do include it in devuan-based isos, but it doesn't always work | 19:50 |
| ExtraCrispy | What do you recommend? | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | I think you have to do it when devuan's d-i is recently upgraded | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | which happens to be now | 19:51 |
| ExtraCrispy | We are using a odified installer | 19:51 |
| fsmithred | we've been using refractainstaller in the live isos | 19:51 |
| ExtraCrispy | And soon our own | 19:51 |
| ExtraCrispy | Ah well we could use that yeah | 19:53 |
| fsmithred | it copies the running system to hard drive with rsync and then adds the bootloader | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | not as versatile as d-i but a lot easier to deal with | 19:54 |
| ExtraCrispy | Lets go through the steps once more | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | I'd be interested to see your own installer | 19:54 |
| fsmithred | upgrade steps? | 19:55 |
| ExtraCrispy | First i should have a fresh install of Devuan? | 19:55 |
| ExtraCrispy | fsmithred: No the ParrotSec-devuan thing | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | wait, which do you want to do? | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | ok | 19:55 |
| fsmithred | to migrate an existing parrot to devuan... | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | install parrot the way it is | 19:56 |
| Centurion_Dan | fsmithred: ah, it has a provides and replaces, so should have simply upgraded.. maybe aptitude is broken... | 19:56 |
| ExtraCrispy | Then migrate fsmithred ? | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | then install sysvinit-core and reboot | 19:56 |
| ExtraCrispy | Or first get the packages? | 19:56 |
| fsmithred | if you have gnome-shell or other stuff that dev1fanboy's guide says to remove, | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | then remove it | 19:57 |
| fsmithred | first get what packages? | 19:57 |
| ExtraCrispy | Packages of Parrot | 19:58 |
| ExtraCrispy | dpkg --get-selections | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | oh, you want to parrotize a devuan install | 19:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you could do dpkg --get-selections in parrot, edit that list to remove whatever would refuse to install in devuan, then do a dpkg --set-selections in a minimal devuan install | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | that would be difficult | 19:59 |
| fsmithred | easier is to install parrot, change to sysvinit, change to devuan | 19:59 |
| ExtraCrispy | That would be time consuming not difficult | 20:00 |
| ExtraCrispy | After changing to Devuan the packages that are not in the repos will be removed? | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | yes | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | or you might need to run 'apt autoremove' | 20:01 |
| fsmithred | we do have mate in devuan, so that might not be too bad | 20:02 |
| ExtraCrispy | Well we will make our own repo with all the shit missing | 20:02 |
| ExtraCrispy | I mean now we have one so... | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | you have a complete repo to replace using debian in sources.list? | 20:03 |
| ExtraCrispy | Wait what? | 20:03 |
| fsmithred | I'm confused about what your repo has | 20:04 |
| ExtraCrispy | A lot of hardened packages from testing | 20:05 |
| ExtraCrispy | Some shit we made | 20:06 |
| ExtraCrispy | And the pentesting tools | 20:06 |
| fsmithred | ah, ok | 20:06 |
| ExtraCrispy | So i do the migration but with beowulg? | 20:07 |
| fsmithred | yeah, change from debian buster to devuan beowulf in sources.list | 20:09 |
| fsmithred | are you looking at the upgrade/migration guides? | 20:09 |
| ExtraCrispy | Yeah. | 20:10 |
| ExtraCrispy | We dont have Debian buster repo | 20:10 |
| ExtraCrispy | But you know that i guess | 20:11 |
| fsmithred | parrotsec is built on stretch or buster? | 20:12 |
| ExtraCrispy | Buster | 20:12 |
| fsmithred | ok, thought so | 20:12 |
| ExtraCrispy | What do the packages that are not in your repos need to work good? | 20:16 |
| fsmithred | ExtraCrispy, not sure what you're asking? | 20:22 |
| fsmithred | if you have packages that are not in debian repos but are built for buster, they will work in beowulf | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | unless they require systemd | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | 99% of the packages in devuan are unchanged from debian | 20:23 |
| fsmithred | ExtraCrispy, I need to go, but we should talk some more. I won't be here much for the next few days, but you could post at dev1galaxy.org or send me email at gmail. | 20:30 |
| fsmithred | let me know how it goes. I might try it again, too. | 20:30 |
| ExtraCrispy | Sure.Thanks again for helping me out. | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | yw | 20:31 |
| fsmithred | bye | 20:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: any spam? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | doesn't seem so, right? | 20:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ExtraCrispy: maybe this is useful... | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !tell ExtraCrispy about amprolla | 20:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, bot is MIA. I'll be back in 10 minutes | 20:41 |
| MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: i didn't really pay attention | 20:44 |
| ExtraCrispy | DocScrutinizer05: Yeah thanks.Not so relevant i think but an awesome tools nevertheless | 20:45 |
| MinceR | looks like we didn't get any today | 20:46 |
| filipoo | hey i upgraded ascii to beowulf and i have no gui just a shell bash and im confused how do i get into gui?? | 20:54 |
| filipoo | how can i connect to wireless from the shell?? | 20:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !tell ExtraCrispy about amprolla | 21:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !amprolla | 21:02 |
| infobot | nextime gave an excellent explanation how amprolla works, at https://botbot.me/freenode/devuan/2016-05-07/?msg=65646427&page=4, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla, or https://git.devuan.org/devuan-infrastructure/amprolla3 | 21:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | botbot.me/ dead for good now? | 21:10 |
| robert-e | DocScrutinizer05: Looks like. I wonder if there is some sort of replacement. I used it daily. Something to do with the data partestion changes in Europe. | 21:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | robert-e: my logging misses history (and the over-nifty JS-scrolling) | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise see /topic | 21:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/ | 21:46 |
| robert-e | DocScrutinizer05:thanks .. will have a look. Otherwise I will have to keep the laptop running 24/7. | 21:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eventually I might add history to cloud7 logs | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rge problem is my private logs history has administrative lines sprinkled all over it | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pretty tough to filter them all out | 21:49 |
| robert-e | Yep .. politics generally suck. | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bbl | 21:51 |
| robert-e | refer to the data protection stuff in Europe. Understand what they are trying to do, but the hammer is kind of big. later | 21:51 |
| golinux | robert-e: This channel has complete logs here: https://5.196.38.19:8888/?tz=-300 | 21:59 |
| golinux | Or better url: https://dev1galaxy.org/znclog/?tz=-300 | 22:03 |
| robert-e | gplinux: Thank you. That link will do just fine. | 22:39 |
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