| Centurion_Dan | eudev -3.2.7 is in experimental... anybody running ceres should give it a whirl and let me know how it goes. | 02:54 |
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| man_in_shack | read that as "anyone who cares" | 02:56 |
| Centurion_Dan | man_in_shack: yup.. do you care?? | 03:04 |
| man_in_shack | obviously not :P | 03:14 |
| Xenguy | Refreshingly honest at least | 03:19 |
| man_in_shack | hmm | 04:01 |
| man_in_shack | glxinfo isn't showing my nvidia graphics libs :| | 04:17 |
| gnarface | make sure you have libgl1-nvidia-glx installed | 04:21 |
| man_in_shack | i have libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx installed | 04:22 |
| man_in_shack | "Failed to initialize the GLX module" | 04:28 |
| man_in_shack | but it then loads later, and loads NV-* extensions | 04:29 |
| man_in_shack | :| | 04:29 |
| man_in_shack | ok looks like there's a problem with my xorg.conf | 04:34 |
| man_in_shack | removing it fixes it | 04:34 |
| gnarface | hmm. maybe you were loading the wrong glx module? seems weird though... | 04:42 |
| gnarface | i think i had problems with libgl1-nvidia-glvnd-glx | 04:42 |
| gnarface | that might be unrelated though | 04:42 |
| gnarface | there was a point where you had to choose between that one or the regular one and i had to change it back because that one broke something | 04:43 |
| gnarface | i forget what exactly. mabye it was just using mesa and killing framerates | 04:43 |
| gnarface | might have been a packaging mistake | 04:43 |
| man_in_shack | yah, there's some funky stuff going on | 04:55 |
| man_in_shack | nvidia-glvnd vs glvnd-nvidia | 04:55 |
| man_in_shack | one breaks the nvidia-driver package | 04:56 |
| man_in_shack | but it's working now, that's the main thing. looks like there's nothing important in my xorg.conf | 04:57 |
| man_in_shack | no twinview config or anything | 04:57 |
| man_in_shack | virtualbox is now happy | 04:58 |
| crimson_king | I'm running Devuan ASCII with Xfce. When I close the laptop lid, my desktop as it was before locking shows up before the password prompt, leaking my running activities to anyone who opens it. | 12:44 |
| gnarface | crimson_king: are you using xscreensaver for locking? | 12:51 |
| gnarface | i'm not sure what xfce uses | 12:51 |
| gnarface | but xscreensaver might do that if you leave "x damage" and "screenshot desktop" options checked (those might not be the exact names) | 12:52 |
| gnarface | otherwise i'm thinking it'd have to be related to the compositor, but afaik xfce doesn't have one | 12:52 |
| skyroveRR | Heya gnarface :) | 12:52 |
| gnarface | at least, not on by default. you could be loading a 3rd party one that is the culprit | 12:52 |
| gnarface | hey skyroveRR. i eventually read your last message from the scrollback but you were gone again. i don't remember what it was now. | 12:53 |
| gnarface | i don't even remember if i told you that | 12:53 |
| skyroveRR | gnarface: I solved the problem. I hadn't compiled mesa and the dependent packages correctly. Hence I was having issues. I solved them now :) | 12:53 |
| gnarface | ah i see. well that's good to hear. | 12:54 |
| skyroveRR | It's been quite a bit to bring up the distro using musl libc. A lot of challenges. But finally, I've got Xorg, and the GUI stuff going. | 12:54 |
| gnarface | cool | 12:55 |
| crimson_king | gnarface, yes, xscreensaver | 12:56 |
| crimson_king | i`ll check my settings | 12:56 |
| crimson_king | xfce comes with composition disabled, if that's what you mean. But the compositor is Xfwm, right? | 12:57 |
| gnarface | maybe? | 12:58 |
| gnarface | the xscreensaver setting may be called "grab desktop images" | 12:58 |
| gnarface | there's some screensavers that generate an image by using a screenshot of the desktop | 12:59 |
| gnarface | you can disable that and then those screensavers will just substitute a test image | 12:59 |
| gnarface | graphics drivers could be the culprit too, but i think i've seen xscreensaver actually do this myself before | 13:00 |
| gnarface | where the last thing you see before you lock it is the first thing you see when you try to unlock it | 13:00 |
| crimson_king | sorry, i disconnected for a moment | 13:00 |
| gnarface | oh | 13:01 |
| gnarface | hang on | 13:01 |
| crimson_king | i missed before ...where the last thing | 13:01 |
| gnarface | my scrollback > http://paste.debian.net/1050907/ | 13:01 |
| crimson_king | That setting is disabled | 13:02 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 13:02 |
| gnarface | and x-damage as well? | 13:02 |
| gnarface | crimson_king: does it also happen if you manually lock the screen before sleeping it? | 13:04 |
| gnarface | it might just be a limitation of xscreensaver. i wonder if disabling slower screensavers could help | 13:04 |
| gnarface | people complaining about it here https://github.com/GalliumOS/galliumos-distro/issues/339 | 13:04 |
| gnarface | i wonder also if there's an alternative screen locker that's faster | 13:05 |
| gnarface | or designed with security in mind | 13:05 |
| amarsh04 | updated all the kde-related stuff on both my pc's | 13:05 |
| amarsh04 | had a kdewallet issue on the other pc, so I exported the data under the older working kdewallet and will try to get things working again (mainly passwords used in chromium) | 13:07 |
| gnarface | crimson_king: i'm reading this thread more and someone else suggests trying xss-lock | 13:07 |
| gnarface | crimson_king: those guys seem to have pushed the blame upstream to xfce4-session, so maybe it's not xscreensaver's fault at all | 13:08 |
| gnarface | they're suggesting a fix to some acpi script that basically does what i said, forces xscreensaver to lock first THEN sleep | 13:10 |
| gnarface | it seems like the default install actually doesn't even call the lock until it wakes up | 13:11 |
| gnarface | ostensibly this is so it can sleep faster | 13:11 |
| gnarface | but that seems to be insecure | 13:11 |
| gnarface | someone did post a patch to the ubuntu bug tracker for it | 13:12 |
| D_Vito | Hi. Anybody in here? | 18:25 |
| D_Vito | Somebody know a place where I can ge support or any help in here? | 18:26 |
| D_Vito | *get | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | here, but don't expect instant answers | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | ask your question. If nobody replies right away, stay logged in and go do something else for a bit. | 18:29 |
| D_Vito | Thank you. I just installed Devuan with xfce only, with cable internet connection. When I started the O.S. I got no network-manager icon. What can I do to cable connect? I have no dhcpcd... | 18:31 |
| fsmithred | if you chose xfce during the installation, then wicd should be there | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | or get a root terminal and run 'dhclient eth0' | 18:32 |
| D_Vito | There are a lot of missing network-related programs, I don't know what to do :/ | 18:32 |
| fsmithred | did you choose a mirror during install? | 18:33 |
| buZz | D_Vito: there's no networkmanager on devuan, there is wicd though | 18:33 |
| D_Vito | I did dhclient eth0. Then it showed a message I dont remember now | 18:33 |
| fsmithred | n-m is available in the ropo, just not installed by default | 18:33 |
| buZz | fsmithred: oh? didnt realize n-m still works without lennartware | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | yeah, we have a devuanized version | 18:34 |
| buZz | hip | 18:34 |
| fsmithred | D_Vito, which iso did you use for the install? | 18:35 |
| D_Vito | I have an Alfa interface, but not sure if Devuan will work with it, een if I try wicd | 18:35 |
| buZz | D_Vito: you can check ifconfig -a , to see if you got a wlan0 interface | 18:35 |
| buZz | i assume that alfa thingy is wireless? | 18:35 |
| D_Vito | fsmithred, I used amd64 dvd iso | 18:36 |
| D_Vito | yes, alfa is wireless | 18:36 |
| fsmithred | and did you select a mirror or just install from the dvd? | 18:36 |
| buZz | D_Vito: the wireless interface wont be eth0 ;) | 18:36 |
| D_Vito | It is Alfa awus036nh | 18:36 |
| buZz | but you need to select access point first | 18:36 |
| buZz | with wicd-gtk or something else | 18:36 |
| D_Vito | yeah, it got a very strange name, but I also got no iwlist, or wi-fi related programs :/ | 18:36 |
| buZz | weird, normally the installer installs those | 18:37 |
| D_Vito | fsmithred, I had a problem with mirror, so in installation it kinda juped this step | 18:37 |
| D_Vito | I don't if this is because I am in Brazil | 18:37 |
| D_Vito | *jumped | 18:37 |
| D_Vito | but I installed from a bootable usb drive | 18:38 |
| fsmithred | install net-tools wireless-tools wpasupplicant wicd | 18:39 |
| D_Vito | how can I install without internet connection? | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | apt-get install blah... | 18:40 |
| buZz | plug in a ethernet cable :P | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | it shoujld ask you to put the dvd in | 18:40 |
| fsmithred | those packages are in the dvd | 18:41 |
| D_Vito | Will it work? I dont have connection with the cable... | 18:41 |
| D_Vito | ping google.com or any other server returns me nothing | 18:41 |
| D_Vito | Oh, i got it | 18:41 |
| D_Vito | all i have to do is choose the mount point of he pen in /media/cdrom | 18:42 |
| D_Vito | is it possible to do? | 18:42 |
| D_Vito | I tried it yesterday... | 18:42 |
| D_Vito | Thank you guys, I will try at night! | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | D_Vito, I'm not sure. If you plug it in when it asks, does it find the usb? | 18:44 |
| fsmithred | if not, then you could make a symlink to it | 18:45 |
| D_Vito | I actually did not try plugging the usb, I just thought that it would not work since it asked for a dvd mounted in /media/cdrom and usb will mount in /dev/sdb | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | it'll mount under /media | 18:46 |
| D_Vito | Yeah symlink may work | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | ln -s /media/usb /media/cdrom | 18:46 |
| fsmithred | but you might need to remove /media/cdrom first (if it exists) | 18:47 |
| D_Vito | physically remove? | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | NO | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | first try it and see if apt is smart enough | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | to find it | 18:48 |
| D_Vito | lol, ok | 18:48 |
| fsmithred | oh, I'll bet you could mount the iso file to /media/cdrom and get it to work | 18:50 |
| xrogaan | I hate systemd so much. | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | mate isn't compatible with elogind for some reason, because of course it's not. | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | why do we need yet another software that does the same job of all the other one before it? | 18:51 |
| fsmithred | xrogaan, what fails? | 18:51 |
| KatolaZ | xrogaan: mate should work with elogind | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-session-manager/issues/146 | 18:51 |
| xrogaan | and for some reason, (mate-screensaver:3268): GLib-CRITICAL **: Source ID 32 was not found when attempting to remove it | 18:52 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 18:52 |
| KatolaZ | mate works with elogind | 18:52 |
| xrogaan | yes | 18:52 |
| xrogaan | kind of work to be exact. | 18:52 |
| xrogaan | I just came back from afk, and light locker didn't trigger once the screensaver removed itself (ususally does, but not this time) | 18:53 |
| xrogaan | oh | 18:53 |
| xrogaan | maybe it's lightdm that fucks things up. | 18:53 |
| KatolaZ | the reality is that all this session management business is just a bunch of cruft | 18:54 |
| xrogaan | Sorry, I'm quite annoyed at all the BS surrounding systemd and the issues it generates. | 18:54 |
| xrogaan | And I'm absolutely pissed off by Mate, which inherited all the crap from old gnome. Like, you can't configure your screensaver properly. Because who's gonna maintain that tool, huh?! Why do we need another tool when the one from xscreensaver is *maintained* and *working*. | 18:56 |
| xrogaan | But no, we need to have a special mate-screensaver will *less* functionality. | 18:56 |
| buZz | xrogaan: mate is a fork of gnome2 , so dont see why they wouldnt | 18:56 |
| * xrogaan (┛ಠДಠ)┛彡┻━┻ | 18:57 | |
| xrogaan | I'm gonna try cinnamon when I have the time. | 18:57 |
| buZz | my window manager has zero screensaver awareness | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | mine as well | 18:57 |
| buZz | nor do i even have a daemon for it running | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | slock | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | end of story | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | :D | 18:57 |
| buZz | i just execute slock when i want :) | 18:57 |
| amesser | xrogaan, replace mate with i3 | 18:57 |
| xrogaan | I just don't have the disk space to have both DE at the same time. | 18:57 |
| buZz | slock ftw | 18:57 |
| KatolaZ | buZz: <3 | 18:58 |
| buZz | fluxbox is much smaller than mate on your disk | 18:58 |
| buZz | so its a clear upgrade | 18:58 |
| xrogaan | and launch faster. | 18:59 |
| D_Vito | yeah, systemd is really bad | 19:00 |
| KatolaZ | that's why we are here | 19:00 |
| KatolaZ | install Devuan and live happy (hopefully)! :P | 19:00 |
| KatolaZ | bbl | 19:00 |
| KatolaZ | o/ | 19:00 |
| D_Vito | lol | 19:00 |
| xrogaan | I just finished configuring urxvt | 19:01 |
| xrogaan | I'm that close to throw mate away, 'cause I still don't use their crappy mate-terminal (because of that nonsense: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-terminal/issues/209) | 19:04 |
| xrogaan | specifically: https://github.com/mate-desktop/mate-terminal/issues/209#issuecomment-360150498 | 19:05 |
| nemo | xrogaan: yeah, MATE maintained almost all the old gnome2 stuff, they did do things like replace the calculator with galculator | 19:05 |
| nemo | xrogaan: screensaver is probably not high on the list due to integration with other MATE stuff but you can ofc disable it and use the x one instead | 19:06 |
| nemo | not sure if it wins you much in terms of memory | 19:06 |
| nemo | only feature you lose is "leave a message" which I have found to be legitimately useful about 0 times in the past couple of decades | 19:07 |
| xrogaan | I believe xscreensaver to not lock the tty or something like that | 19:07 |
| nemo | hm? | 19:07 |
| buZz | xscreensaver should be locking ctrl-alt-F1 away just fine | 19:08 |
| nemo | xrogaan: you can still ctrl-alt-f1 over to another tty with mate-screensaver? | 19:08 |
| buZz | its not on your setup? | 19:08 |
| nemo | or do you *want* that? | 19:08 |
| xrogaan | I've read something on that effect | 19:08 |
| nemo | I basically never do | 19:08 |
| xrogaan | right, there: `Warning: Only sflock, physlock, Cinnamon Screensaver, MATE Screensaver and GNOME Screensaver are able to block tty access. See Xorg#Block TTY access on how to manually block tty access.' | 19:08 |
| nemo | ok... well, it's never been setup that way on any install of mine | 19:09 |
| xrogaan | I don't remember why it's important to lock tty access though. | 19:09 |
| nemo | doesn't sound super useful to me either. | 19:09 |
| nemo | kiosk maybe? dunno | 19:09 |
| xrogaan | the archlinux wiki is also asking: "Why would you want to do this?" https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg#Block_TTY_access | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | so someone can't log in while you're gone? | 19:10 |
| buZz | maybe just dont login on tty if you dont want it open :P | 19:10 |
| nemo | heh | 19:10 |
| fsmithred | also good in case you leave yourself logged in on console, go back to desktop and forget | 19:11 |
| xrogaan | there is the "away" command to lock tty btw | 19:11 |
| nemo | fsmithred: I'm still finding it hard to understand what situation someone else could have an account on your machine and you would *not* want them to be able to log in on the tty | 19:12 |
| xrogaan | and you could configure selinux something something to timeout tty sessions. | 19:12 |
| nemo | anyway, nbd since I don't think anyone ever enables that feature | 19:12 |
| xrogaan | so this maybe? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/40720/preventing-access-to-tty-when-x-is-killed | 19:14 |
| xrogaan | but since x is started by lightdm, lightdm takes over as soon as X is killed right? | 19:14 |
| nemo | xrogaan: export TMOUT=120 if -z DISPLAY and -z SSH_CONNECTION ? | 19:15 |
| nemo | in your bashrc | 19:15 |
| xrogaan | no. | 19:22 |
| xrogaan | bashrc hacks are kind of bad, same reason I don't export TERM=xterm-256 | 19:23 |
| Yohkii | Hey, I edited my 40-libinput.conf to have option tapping on, but how do I enable it? | 21:07 |
| golinux | Yohkii: Maybe you have to restart it? | 21:12 |
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