| fsmithred | gnarface, is "no" a helpful answer? I ssh into ascii every day, but usually the remote host is using wicd or else dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | it's more helpful than no answer | 00:01 |
| gnarface | i thought it might be a driver "fix" exposing a glitch in link detection or something, because it seemed to sometimes fix it if i simply hotplug the cable from one end or the other (not always even the same end) but i couldn't reliably reproduce that | 00:02 |
| gnarface | and it happened with two different switches | 00:02 |
| gnarface | but i guess it could still be the ethernet cable itself... | 00:03 |
| gnarface | i heard they can go bad | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | yeah, they can get loose in the connector, too | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | less that 1mm is enough | 00:03 |
| gnarface | well the thing is i still have link lights when this is happening | 00:03 |
| fsmithred | I have some with broken plastic clip | 00:04 |
| gnarface | the switch and the ethernet jack's lights both say an active link is detected | 00:04 |
| fsmithred | ok | 00:04 |
| gnarface | the driver says it's up and a link is present | 00:04 |
| gnarface | and there is a valid route | 00:04 |
| gnarface | it just can't use it | 00:04 |
| gnarface | so if it's something wrong with the cable, it's something that's wrong at an even more subtle level than the status lights can themselves detect | 00:04 |
| gnarface | i guess i'm not ruling that out yet, since nobody else is seeing this | 00:06 |
| gnarface | it's the e1000 ethernet driver | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | that sounds familiar | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | but maybe you talked about it some other time | 00:06 |
| fsmithred | have you tried changing allow hotplug to auto? | 00:07 |
| gnarface | it's the same machine i had extensive problems getting to stream reliably, but it's been well behaved after they fixed an unrelated performance regression in the h264 encoder that only affected alsa recording | 00:07 |
| gnarface | allow ethernet hotplug to auto? | 00:08 |
| gnarface | hmmm... | 00:08 |
| gnarface | yea actually | 00:08 |
| gnarface | but not to fix this | 00:08 |
| fsmithred | yeah, that seems to get in the way for a lot of people, but usually with boot times | 00:08 |
| gnarface | no, when they started doing that i just immediately manually reverting it everywhere i caught it. this system hasn't been tested with allow-hotplug. it's always been set to auto | 00:09 |
| gnarface | but that would have been my first suspicion too, right after dhcp | 00:09 |
| fsmithred | try allow-hotplug :P | 00:09 |
| gnarface | hmmm | 00:09 |
| gnarface | heh, interesting notion i suppose | 00:09 |
| gnarface | at least that would probably make replugging the ethernet cable work every time | 00:10 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it might | 00:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if you want a @devuan/community/<USER> cloa /join #devuan-community-cloak. The list will get sampled Sun 2018-11-04 23:59UTC. Last call for this year | 03:35 |
| ejr | how can i allow a user who is non-root on devuan to edit connections with nm-applet? right now, when i want to configure wifi for example,i can only do that with sudo nm-applet, not with just nm-applet. | 07:46 |
| debdog | set suid for /usr/bin/nm-applet might do the trick (risky security wise) | 07:52 |
| debdog | or run it via su/su-to-root or such (password required) | 07:53 |
| ejr | the latter is what i am doing now. i was thinking whether perhaps i might just need to add user to some group or so | 07:54 |
| debdog | might be possible as well | 07:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nod0n: seems my memory been right and I update every 5 minutes | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TZ is CET, sorry for that | 07:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/irclogs/freenode/_devuan/latest.log.html#t2018-11-03T07:52:52 | 07:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 07:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird, your posts are missing | 08:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got a regex there to filter stuff out, maybe that's too trigger happy | 08:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | grep -v '^[^ ]* *\*\*\* ' $f >dest | 08:05 |
| ejr | another question: how do i disable a service in devuan? everything i find on the web about it so far is related to systemd commands | 08:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't see how that would filter your msg out | 08:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nod0n: sorry, you're not in the raw log either | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 08:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it matches 2018-11-03T06:50:52 *** pekman <pekman!~pekman@unaffiliated/p | 08:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe there was a netsplit or whatever | 08:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or did you start your post with a space? | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what the!!! | 08:12 |
| debdog | mayhap it was a /msg? | 08:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NFC what that damn bot does | 08:13 |
| debdog | ejr: usually /etc/init.d/$name stop | 08:20 |
| debdog | or permanently: rename its link in /etc/rcX.d from Ssomething to Ksomething (where X is the runlevel, usually 2) | 08:20 |
| debdog | check README in /etc/rcX.d | 08:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Nod0n: could you please change nick to something not starting "No" and no digits, then post a line? | 08:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what you're doing? | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | /nick foobar | 08:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FFS | 08:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and... | 08:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, ignores webirc, eh? | 08:36 |
| muep | normally NM is uses polkit to allow unprivileged users to control itself | 08:37 |
| ejr | debdog & muep: thanks | 08:43 |
| muep | ...so typically it does not require clients to run as root | 08:44 |
| tuoronwindows | I'm back again. I tried to boot devuan ascii on my Laptop. I got this error: https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=0jipj4ujkjgjkjp4h4pjajx4.jpg | 09:03 |
| tuoronwindows | (after switching to tty1 (ctrl+alt+f1)) | 09:04 |
| tuoronwindows | Ah and I authenticated my self to "nicksrv", so maybe it helps. | 09:06 |
| muep | at least for me when trying on a devuan 2 desktop VM, it looks like non-root control of NM works out of the box | 09:10 |
| Centurion_Dan | muep: indeed it does. | 09:23 |
| crimson_king | hello, how do you go about using backports? Can I use debian backports on devuan ascii? | 12:32 |
| gnarface | use ascii-backports | 12:33 |
| crimson_king | the software available in it is the same as debian has? I want keepassxc from it | 12:34 |
| gnarface | you can follow the same basic procedure as for debian, but use "ascii-backports" from the devuan repos instead. yes, it's all the same stuff. | 12:34 |
| crimson_king | All right, thanks | 12:34 |
| gnarface | no problem | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | re chanlogs - sorry it's trivial: you can't talk in here when you're not authenticated | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: I'm going to lift the +q ban, let's see how that pans out re spam | 17:58 |
| crimson_king | how to enable/disable services? | 18:04 |
| crimson_king | if you can point me to some document online, it will be better. I need some updated reference | 18:04 |
| Ji-eF[m] | crimson_king (IRC): try update-rc.d | 18:34 |
| Ji-eF[m] | To remove ssh : update-rc.d ssh remove | 18:35 |
| Ji-eF[m] | tu put it back in place : update-rc.d ssh defaults | 18:35 |
| Ji-eF[m] | To* | 18:35 |
| MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: the spambots are still active | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I been +o in here for weeks now (see +q'ed posts) and it seemed bearable | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: anyway you know what's up, feel free to engage +q $~a whenever needed | 18:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's just try if we could get away without | 18:38 |
| crimson_king | Ji-eF[m], thank you | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the Nod0n / tuoronwindows episode yesterday was annoying | 18:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly nasty: users who are invisible due to +q don't even notice that, they simply think it's users who ignore them | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: you still can tell how many real spam came in, by looking for sigyn klining them which is still visible | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like [2018-11-02 23:16:24] <-- Arimil12 (~Arimil@x4d0e7fea.dyn.telefonica.de) has left this server (Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))). | 18:42 |
| MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: ok | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 28, 30, 31, 1, 1, 2 is the incidents last week | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | average one per day | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I could set up an autoresponder so everybody in this channel could trigger +q $~a getting set, by posting a magic word | 18:46 |
| MinceR | :) | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | would SPAMALARM be a good magic word? | 18:48 |
| MinceR | i guess so | 18:49 |
| MinceR | is it case sensitive? :> | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please try it, should | 18:50 |
| MinceR | SPAMALARM | 18:51 |
| MinceR | worked :) | 18:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, so when there's massive amounts of spam coming in, everybody feel free to engage defense by posting spamalarm in all upper case | 18:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((nod0n incident)) https://pastebin.com/4TUxKiDZ | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please have a look ^^^ | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-11-03 09:06:03] <tuoronwindows> Ah and I authenticated my self to "nicksrv", so maybe it helps. [[<-- == Nod0n ]] | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2018-11-03 09:03:59] <tuoronwindows> I'm back again. I tried to boot devuan ascii on my Laptop. I got this error: https://www.picpasteplus.com/view.php?i=0jipj4ujkjgjkjp4h4pjajx4.jpg | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha this URL gives awesome error message of its own | 19:29 |
| detha | windows. And spaces in directory names. Pass. | 19:59 |
| MinceR | and php | 20:03 |
| Xenguy | All hail hyphens and underscores! | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | about time to get a linux/POSIX filesystem standard that forbids and autoconverts any such crap in filenames | 21:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no idea how to cure the backslash mess | 21:37 |
| muep | I think it would be pretty impossible to have that in POSIX | 21:38 |
| muep | at least it would not be backwards compatible at all | 21:38 |
| silverwillow | hey all :) is it possible to migrate a running Devuan ASCII system to OpenRC? And if so, is there a wiki page or something describing the process? | 23:16 |
| gnarface | silverwillow: i think someone wrote something down in a forum post somewhere. not sure. yes, it should be possible though. multiple people have reported success at this. some have complained about the openrc install but i think about specific things that were in it that were chosen upstream | 23:23 |
| gnarface | (stuff you could probably adjust yourself but it would require some reading) | 23:23 |
| gnarface | really, the process shouldn't have changed from doing the same thing for debian wheezy and earlier. so even if you can't find the devuan-specific instructions you want, outdated debian documentation might still do | 23:24 |
| silverwillow | Well, I just went ahead and did it, but I think I may have to crawl into the cupboard udner the stairs and remove the server.... cause I;m not getting a remote login promt... Oh well. Guess now I know. | 23:26 |
| silverwillow | ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp | 23:32 |
| silverwillow | ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp | 23:32 |
| silverwillow | ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp | 23:32 |
| gnarface | silverwillow: anything onscreen at boot up time? | 23:33 |
| gnarface | i'm sorry, i haven't tried this myself, so i don't know what the pitfalls are. it should be doable though. | 23:34 |
| silverwillow | oop - so sorry - dropped something on my keyboard :( | 23:34 |
| gnarface | some people in here have used it but you'll have to hang out for a while to get noticed. | 23:34 |
| gnarface | the forum might be a quicker option, being as how it's slow in here right now | 23:35 |
| silverwillow | all good - i'll figure it out - once i drag the microserver out of the cupboard. thanks for your time :) | 23:35 |
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