| Digit | https://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/770093/cd322e1fedf67bbe/ :O (i share having only just read the title so far) | 03:29 |
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| pankerini | Interesting | 03:35 |
| Xenguy | No: click on a random link | 03:45 |
| Digit | "possibly encouraging", was all that was said of it that got me clicking on it. | 03:47 |
| Xenguy | uh huh | 03:48 |
| Digit | from the summation paragraph: "Overall, the dialog was relatively positive and the outcome may well lead to better maintenance of sysvinit for both Debian and Devuan moving forward." | 03:55 |
| filipdevuan_ | hey i have problem i have sound coming from speakers of my laptop but when i connect headphones i cant hear anything on them and pulseaudio shows that the sound is flowing on the meter, pls help | 08:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | oh nvm | 08:34 |
| filipdevuan_ | got it now :) | 08:34 |
| xrogaan | "That set off a fairly predictable round of Devuan bashing, along with concerns that inviting Devuan developers to work in Debian would bring on a return of the mailing list battles of old." | 09:18 |
| xrogaan | he he | 09:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrymcgee: are you furrywolf? | 14:53 |
| furrymcgee | no | 14:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry then | 14:55 |
| eyalroz | I'm trying to get docker to run on Devuan ASCII, and am getting the error: | 15:43 |
| eyalroz | docker: Error response from daemon: cgroups: cannot find cgroup mount destination: unknown. | 15:43 |
| eyalroz | ... when I try to run docker run hello-world | 15:43 |
| eyalroz | (I'm using the Docker CE repository for Debian stretch) | 15:44 |
| eyalroz | I've not had experience with anything involving cgroups, so I'm not sure what to try. | 15:44 |
| rleigh | eyalroz: Are the cgroups filesystems mounted under /sys/fs/cgroup? | 15:45 |
| eyalroz | rleigh: let me check... | 15:47 |
| eyalroz | Yes | 15:48 |
| eyalroz | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on | 15:48 |
| eyalroz | ... | 15:48 |
| eyalroz | cgroup 12 0 12 0% /sys/fs/cgroup | 15:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | systemd hijacked cgroups, for whatever ot's worh. might be related | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's worth* | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I seem to recal this been a known issue with docker and systemd | 15:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be totally wrong though, never had the urge to look into it any deeper | 15:52 |
| furrymcgee | the devuan sdk looks interesting but there is not much documentation, I am looking for an example how to use it | 15:56 |
| fsmithred | furrymcgee, what kind of iso/image do you want to make? | 16:03 |
| fsmithred | I know live-sdk, I don't know much about arm-sdk (is that even the right name?) | 16:04 |
| furrymcgee | I think about netinst.iso with customized task selection | 16:09 |
| KatolaZ | furrymcgee: you devuan-sdk does not use d-i | 16:09 |
| furrymcgee | there is a menu like this for selecting init system | 16:11 |
| KatolaZ | furrymcgee: devuan-sdk does not use d-i | 16:12 |
| KatolaZ | furrymcgee: it's not easy to customise debian-installer, due to the way it is built from its components | 16:13 |
| furrymcgee | hmm i will look into it | 16:14 |
| KatolaZ | furrymcgee: you need an ad-hoc repo for that | 16:14 |
| furrymcgee | cant find anything ad-hoc, the whole installation method is new to me | 16:32 |
| fsmithred | furrymcgee, boot a live iso and do a debootstrap install - that will pull from the repo like a netinstall, but it'll be easier than making a netinstall iso. | 17:00 |
| fsmithred | I haven't tried a debootstrap with openrc, though. | 17:01 |
| KatolaZ | furrymcgee: what do you want to do exactly? | 17:04 |
| KatolaZ | (I mean that in order to customise debian-installer you need to put together an ad-hoc repository) | 17:04 |
| eyalroz | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks for the tip (although to be honest, the first guess about any Devuan incompatibility is "systemd issue"...) | 17:10 |
| eyalroz | DocScrutinizer05: I don't suppose you know some person/website I could ask about this? | 17:10 |
| eyalroz | rleigh: got disconnected, back now; if you commented, please repeat what you said | 17:11 |
| ExtraCrispy | Hello. | 17:20 |
| ExtraCrispy | I am on QubesOS. | 17:20 |
| ExtraCrispy | Is xfce4 necessary | 17:20 |
| ExtraCrispy | ? | 17:20 |
| ExtraCrispy | I am upgrading from Debian Stretch | 17:20 |
| furrymcgee | I know how to build a local repository and debootstrap a root file system the next step was to build initrd and invoke d-i with udebs. My idea was this can be done with sdk but as I understand so far it does basically a debootstrap. | 17:21 |
| furrymcgee | hello ExtraCrispy | 17:22 |
| ExtraCrispy | furrymcgee: Hi.Was that for me? | 17:27 |
| furrymcgee | no to KatolaZ, i was typing already | 17:28 |
| furrymcgee | xfce is not necessary i think | 17:28 |
| furrymcgee | xfce4 in devuan is the same as in stretch | 17:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eyalroz: sorry no useful links at hand. But I gues aunt google will help you out when you feed it the right search terms | 17:32 |
| KatolaZ | ExtraCrispy: be sure you upgrade to devuan ascii | 17:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eyalroz: or wait here until somebody with better knowledge gets along to pinck up your question | 17:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pick, even | 17:33 |
| ExtraCrispy | furrymcgee: Ah | 17:36 |
| ExtraCrispy | KatolaZ: Of course. | 17:36 |
| ExtraCrispy | So fxce is just for the dm? | 17:36 |
| KatolaZ | ExtraCrispy: xfce is the DE | 17:36 |
| KatolaZ | or | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | XFCE is one od the availabl DEs | 17:37 |
| KatolaZ | s/od/of | 17:37 |
| ExtraCrispy | Well in QubesOS it does not matter. | 17:37 |
| ExtraCrispy | So i am just starting from network manager | 17:38 |
| eyalroz | DocScrutinizer05: Thanks. | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | ExtraCrispy: network manager is for ... ehm... network management | 17:39 |
| ExtraCrispy | And i guess netm should be removed? | 17:39 |
| KatolaZ | why? | 17:39 |
| ExtraCrispy | KatolaZ: Well it seems some sit need to be replaced in order for the migration t work. | 17:40 |
| ExtraCrispy | I think. | 17:40 |
| ExtraCrispy | Thats why i asked for xfce | 17:40 |
| KatolaZ | ExtraCrispy: there are non-systemd packages for network-manager in devuan ascii | 17:40 |
| KatolaZ | so you don't need to remove it, AFAIK | 17:40 |
| ExtraCrispy | Well wicd is better fuck it | 17:41 |
| eyalroz | What is the canonical way, on a Devuan machine, to get the corresponding Debian version's number? | 17:46 |
| eyalroz | i.e., on a Devuan ASCII machine, what tells me that the corresponding Debian version is 9 ? | 17:46 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: https://devuan.org/ | 17:48 |
| ExtraCrispy | eyalroz: cat /etc/debian_version? | 17:48 |
| ExtraCrispy | Or lsb_release -a | 17:48 |
| ExtraCrispy | ? | 17:48 |
| eyalroz | ExtraCrispy: The first one. | 17:49 |
| eyalroz | lsb_release -a gives us 2.0 | 17:49 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: yes, but don't rely too much on that | 17:49 |
| ExtraCrispy | Ah yeah i was prure it would actually. | 17:49 |
| ExtraCrispy | prure/pretty sure | 17:49 |
| eyalroz | ExtraCrispy: FYI: | 17:54 |
| eyalroz | https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-docker/issues/851 | 17:54 |
| eyalroz | and a disclaimer: I hate docker, I only need this for work. | 17:54 |
| fsmithred | devuan version +7 = debian version | 17:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eyalroz: nice ticket :-) | 18:00 |
| eyalroz | Why can't we have a VERSION_ID=2 in /etc/os_release? | 18:04 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just had a weird idea of a "debian disguise" package that temporarily turns all properties of the system meant to get queried (like cat /etc/* ...) into the equivalent debian, for installation jobs to succeed even when they never heard of devuan | 18:04 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe a daft idea | 18:05 |
| eyalroz | @DocScrutinizer05: You might not be able to hide the lack of systemd... | 18:05 |
| furrywolf | how about we instead convince people not to attempt to detect the distro or do other horribly broken ideas? | 18:05 |
| eyalroz | furrywolf: But apt repositories are distribution-specific. | 18:06 |
| eyalroz | so if you want to add the right repositories, you need to detect the distro. | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | that's why I said to not rely too much on the relation between the Devuan and the Debian version.... | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: https://devuan.org | 18:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ExtraCrispy: hiding lack of systemd is not a requirement since a job asking for systemd version or whatever will fail anyway when no systemd around, no? | 18:06 |
| KatolaZ | that's the best way | 18:06 |
| eyalroz | KatolaZ: ?? | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: https://devuan.org | 18:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi furrywolf! what about your kline? | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | there is a table there | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | which explains the relation between each Devuan version and the corresponding DEbian version | 18:07 |
| KatolaZ | the first thing on that page | 18:07 |
| eyalroz | KatolaZ: Yes, I know about that. I just wanted something I could feed to a script (see my github issue link) | 18:08 |
| furrywolf | DocScrutinizer: heh, did you see what I got klined for? apparantly talking about device drivers matches some filter sigyn has. https://paste.debian.net/1049663/ | 18:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: could you send me the kline trigger in /query? the pastebin page expired | 18:08 |
| ExtraCrispy | eyalroz: JUst add the Variable who cares | 18:08 |
| ExtraCrispy | DocScrutinizer05: I dont get it. | 18:08 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: which link? | 18:08 |
| furrywolf | https://paste.debian.net/1050001/ , then | 18:09 |
| eyalroz | ExtraCrispy: I meant to suggest it be added to all Devuan installations.. | 18:09 |
| ExtraCrispy | BTW Devuan in QubesOS is either a no go for now or just needs network manaer idi | 18:09 |
| eyalroz | KatolaZ: https://github.com/NVIDIA/nvidia-docker/issues/851 | 18:09 |
| ExtraCrispy | eyalroz: Ah i am not a contributor yet. | 18:09 |
| ExtraCrispy | But i will be so yeah. | 18:09 |
| ExtraCrispy | Anyway that should be added by default imo.So a push would be nice i guess | 18:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: thefuck! | 18:10 |
| furrywolf | DocScrutinizer05: I got someone in #freenode to remove the klines, but no one would tell me what the filter was, why it exists, how to avoid it in the future, where sigyn's actual source and configuration are to be found (the github is obviously not freenode's actual version), or anything else. | 18:11 |
| ExtraCrispy | DocScrutinizer05: Please explain hat you said earlier. | 18:12 |
| furrywolf | freenode's security-through-paranoia policy is getting increasingly annoying. | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ExtraCrispy: sorry, maybe what I said was nonsense. Just forget it please | 18:12 |
| nemo | furrywolf: some of the klines are stupidly written attempts to block bot spam | 18:12 |
| nemo | they've accidentally banned large chunks of users before | 18:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: I'll follow up on this. Sigyn needs to learn to behave | 18:13 |
| nemo | in past they've had to do global apologies | 18:13 |
| MinceR | people shouldn't rely on freenode so much | 18:13 |
| ExtraCrispy | DocScrutinizer05: Ah.Well i didnt get it so i cannot say it is nonsense | 18:14 |
| furrywolf | freenode is becoming increasingly non-interactive with their users... | 18:14 |
| furrywolf | going the way of mozilla and too many other projects... we are the people in charge, you are not, you are irrelevant, and you'll do what we want and we don't have to explain ourselves. | 18:16 |
| MinceR | and oftc seems to have largely the same people in charge | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I raised the topic in sigyn's channel, let's see if we can get a meaningful answer | 18:17 |
| furrywolf | I tried that, and got told to email. the email did not get a response. | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen it | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you asked about the kline, not about the misbehavior of sigyn | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or at least they thought you did | 18:18 |
| furrywolf | the misbehavior is a design issue... long-term klines should not be issued based on random text filters, especially not without warning and to registered nicks. | 18:20 |
| furrywolf | there's also an administrative issue... this whole we-don't-tell-anyone-anything-ever paranoid on freenode is absurd. | 18:22 |
| furrywolf | I was trying to track down issues with some clients being immediately killed on connection, and literally no one would tell me the value of a single setting in the ircd conf for one of the flood limits, so I could determine if it could be an issue. | 18:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | furrywolf: https://pastebin.com/nc59NzMb | 18:23 |
| furrywolf | "Your paste has triggered our automatic SPAM detection filter. This happens when certain keywords are detected in a paste." lol? | 18:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, this makes me wonder if that site and sigyn use same BlackList | 18:24 |
| MinceR | easy to avoid: don't use any words in your paste | 18:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol yeah | 18:26 |
| furrywolf | lol | 18:27 |
| furrywolf | oh, it turned out that the some-clients-killed-immediately-on-connection thing is an ircd issue triggered by their new version-everyone-on-connect bot... and no one is ever going to fix it. if you have one of those clients, /ignore the bot to avoid getting killed. | 18:30 |
| nemo | lol | 18:31 |
| nemo | furrywolf: what good is a security measure that can be blocked by an /ignore | 18:31 |
| nemo | or anti-spam measure really | 18:31 |
| furrywolf | the ircd temporarily raises some of the flood limits during the initial connection phase, to allow users to join way too many channels without triggering them. but, this period is cancelled as soon as you send anything other than a join... like the version reply to the bot. | 18:32 |
| nemo | ahhh | 18:32 |
| nemo | that's just stupid | 18:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | OMG | 18:33 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 pets infobot | 18:33 | |
| furrywolf | my solution was to /ignore the bot, and all the random kill-on-connects stopped. :) | 18:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which bot? | 18:34 |
| furrywolf | :freenode-connect!frigg@freenode/utility-bot/frigg PRIVMSG fw2 :VERSION | 18:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | weird enough I should see that and I don't | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe SASL does the trick | 18:37 |
| furrywolf | I connect with sasl. | 18:39 |
| nemo | maybe I just don't join enough channels | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FN added ircd filtering recently, to fight the SPAM. I guess this must have caused a massive schism in their staff between those who support it and those who think this is hell's spawn | 18:39 |
| furrywolf | most of my isp's address ranges are banned, and no one will remove them. | 18:39 |
| nemo | I'm currently on 6 freenode channels | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so both groups are grumpy | 18:40 |
| nemo | furrywolf: I ran into someone recently using an Iranian proxy. | 18:40 |
| furrywolf | mobile data is evil, and you shouldn't be allowed to connect to freenode while using it, apparantly. | 18:40 |
| nemo | they were not banned | 18:40 |
| nemo | I thought it was also an interesting solution if you were privacy conscious and in a 5 eyes country | 18:40 |
| nemo | proxy through a country likely to tell 5 eyes agents to eff off | 18:41 |
| furrywolf | wikipedia has banned both my isp and all of linode, so I can't even access it through proxying to my server... | 18:41 |
| nemo | inconveniently they are an authoritarian regime so might ban freenode at the drop of a hat, but, apparently weren't doing it in this case | 18:41 |
| nemo | maybe proxies used by infidels get a pass | 18:41 |
| furrywolf | wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit! except t-mobile users. they can fuck off. | 18:41 |
| nemo | furrywolf: wikipedia is controlled by the core editors these days anyway | 18:41 |
| nemo | furrywolf: and the deletionists have waaaaaaaay too much power | 18:42 |
| furrywolf | yeah, I stopped contributing a long time ago. | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | let's keep it technical please | 18:42 |
| nemo | furrywolf: someone just deleted Hedgewars for the 3rd time - same deletionist as the other times. As usual they accused us of creating the article (false) | 18:42 |
| golinux | Please move this conversation to #debianfork | 18:42 |
| golinux | Remember that this is a Devuan help channel | 18:43 |
| * furrywolf notes not everyone is actually in #debianfork | 18:49 | |
| eyalroz | An unrelated question to what I asked before: | 18:50 |
| eyalroz | Where can I read news about Devuan and Devuan-Debian "diplomatic relations"? I leafed through the dev1galaxy forum and it doesn't seem to get regular news updates | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there's no weekly newsletter anymore | 18:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even biweekly or monthly | 18:58 |
| MinceR | Devuan Occasional Newsletter | 19:03 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: ? | 19:04 |
| eyalroz | KatolaZ: I want to know how things are going with the project | 19:06 |
| KatolaZ | eyalroz: there is currently no regular newsletter | 19:11 |
| kelsoo3 | ping fsmithred | 20:51 |
| fsmithred | hi kelsoo3 | 20:51 |
| kelsoo3 | Hi | 20:51 |
| kelsoo3 | Your do a few things with yad? | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | yeah | 20:52 |
| kelsoo3 | you've* | 20:52 |
| fsmithred | refracta tools and a bunch of scripts I use for various things | 20:52 |
| kelsoo3 | Well I'm tring to get a drag n drop launcher for mpv | 20:52 |
| kelsoo3 | have you | 20:52 |
| kelsoo3 | OK. I'll look later. | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | I don't have one, but I might be able to think of how | 20:53 |
| fsmithred | what version of mpv are you using? | 20:54 |
| kelsoo3 | I'll look. This is on D2 but for the alpha D3 release | 20:55 |
| kelsoo3 | mpv 0.11.0 | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | does it have a graphical interface? | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | 0.6 in jessie does not | 20:55 |
| fsmithred | 0.23 in ascii does | 20:56 |
| kelsoo3 | osd | 20:56 |
| kelsoo3 | this is on Dragora | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | what's osd? | 20:56 |
| kelsoo3 | I just built yad | 20:56 |
| kelsoo3 | on screen display | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I figured you were on dragora | 20:56 |
| fsmithred | I still don't know what that means | 20:56 |
| FatPhil | KatolaZ: good to see you involved in Ian Jackson's init discussion | 20:57 |
| kelsoo3 | The thing is we don't want to have to package 2 media players on the CD. We want mpv from the menu to launch a yaad dnd window asking for the media file | 20:58 |
| kelsoo3 | yad | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | yeah, I'm going to check if you can drag into mpv in ascii | 20:58 |
| kelsoo3 | Cool | 20:58 |
| fsmithred | but I'm pretty sure there's a drag option somewhere in yad | 20:58 |
| kelsoo3 | There is.. hand on | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | yeah, it says it in big letters when you open mpv | 20:59 |
| fsmithred | Drop files to play here | 20:59 |
| kelsoo3 | http://smokey01.com/yad/ scroll down | 20:59 |
| kelsoo3 | Where are you looking | 21:00 |
| fsmithred | in ascii | 21:01 |
| kelsoo3 | Not here | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | version 0.11 | 21:01 |
| kelsoo3 | I wonder if it's a compile option we don't have | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | it has a .desktop file, you can open mpv from menu, and it waits for you to drag | 21:01 |
| fsmithred | check the changelog to see when they added this | 21:02 |
| fsmithred | you're using a version that's halfway between jessie and ascii | 21:02 |
| kelsoo3 | Will do. I'll rebuild the package and see if we missed anything. Thanks this was really useful | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | yw | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | doing with yad would not be difficult | 21:03 |
| fsmithred | the yad window will output the filename you select | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | so video_file=$(yad --whatever) | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | then mpv "$video_file" | 21:04 |
| fsmithred | more or less | 21:04 |
| kelsoo3 | That's what I thought. But the fact it wouldn't load makes me think we missed something in the build | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | add a set -x to your script so you can see what it's doing | 21:05 |
| fsmithred | I'm testing this now | 21:08 |
| fsmithred | it works | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | did it on command line: myfile=$(yad --dnd) and dragged an audio file | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | then mpv "$myfile" | 21:09 |
| fsmithred | and it plays | 21:09 |
| kelsoo3 | Thanks again I'll test it | 21:10 |
| KatolaZ | FatPhil: it's not just discussion, actually :) | 21:10 |
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