* Xenguy notes dpaste doesn't like tor browser ... | 00:45 | |
systemdlete | corrupt filesystem? Logwatch reporting ext4-fs errors hundreds of times | 06:18 |
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systemdlete | ext4_free_inode seems to be the bulk of these errors | 06:21 |
systemdlete | So linux has a filesystem corruption problem? This is in a VM, so it can't be hardware -- the host does not report hard errors on any disks! | 06:22 |
systemdlete | am I reading the tea leaves all wrong here? | 06:22 |
furrywolf | it's highly unlikely you've discovered a filesystem corruption bug in any of the standard filesystems... | 06:24 |
systemdlete | ok, so is ext4 not a standard filesystem? | 06:27 |
furrywolf | no, it's very standard. | 06:27 |
furrywolf | what exactly happened? | 06:27 |
systemdlete | logwatch has been showing these errors every night for almost a week | 06:28 |
furrywolf | also, data loss on a host drive may cause data loss in a vm, with no errors anywhere... most filesystems are not checksummed, so if the drive reports data as valid, the kernel believes it. | 06:28 |
furrywolf | what errors? | 06:28 |
golinux | Have you run gsmartcontrol? | 06:28 |
systemdlete | ascii-vm kernel: [4481549.606233] EXT4-fs error (device dm-5) in ext4_free_inode:358: Corrupt filesystem | 06:29 |
systemdlete | and similar, throughout syslog | 06:30 |
systemdlete | golinux: gsmartcontrol -- isn't that for hardware? | 06:30 |
furrywolf | /msg #devuan did you try resizing it? how about killing the vm in the middle of a write? could also be host system issues passing through. unmount and fsckit. | 06:32 |
systemdlete | why would I resize it? | 06:33 |
golinux | Yes. | 06:33 |
furrywolf | dunno, that's just one of the things I've found to have much higher than average chances of corrupting things. | 06:33 |
golinux | I'm a bit blurry atm. | 06:33 |
systemdlete | I don't recall doing that. | 06:33 |
systemdlete | All my devuan fs are on LVM though, which CAN be resized | 06:34 |
systemdlete | the VM has been up for 52 days | 06:34 |
furrywolf | unmount the affected filesystem and fsck it... | 06:34 |
furrywolf | may need to boot the vm with a recovery cd or such, if it's / | 06:35 |
systemdlete | sure. But this shouldn't be happening, right? | 06:35 |
systemdlete | it's /home I think | 06:35 |
furrywolf | it shouldn't be happening, but I'd be far more inclined to think there's a bug in the VM software, the vm caused an interrupted write in some bad fashion, the host drives have an error, etc, before thinking you've found an ext4 bug. | 06:36 |
furrywolf | if the vm is reporting writes as complete before the host actualy completes them, that can cause data loss, for example. | 06:38 |
systemdlete | Well, you could have something there: I am noticing that the "File" and "View" menus of the VM are not functioning at all (the other menus are though) | 06:38 |
furrywolf | what vm software? | 06:39 |
systemdlete | btw, it's been well over 6 weeks since the last vbox update; they usually come every 6 weeks or so | 06:39 |
systemdlete | virtualbox 5.2 | 06:39 |
furrywolf | and what host os? | 06:39 |
systemdlete | host is centos 6.10 | 06:40 |
systemdlete | I've logged out of my session on devuan, getting ready to run umount/fsck | 06:41 |
furrywolf | what kernel on the guest? | 06:41 |
furrywolf | 4.0.2-.4 apparantly have a corruption bug with certain raid configurations | 06:42 |
systemdlete | fsck: inode count differences | 06:42 |
systemdlete | fix? | 06:42 |
furrywolf | fix everything. make a backup first if this is important data, of course. | 06:43 |
systemdlete | 4.9.0-7 | 06:43 |
systemdlete | backups are done every night, so no need | 06:44 |
systemdlete | (I haven't done anything all day) | 06:44 |
furrywolf | I'm out of ideas, and it's way past my bedtime... bbl, sleep. | 06:45 |
systemdlete | that seems to fix it | 06:45 |
systemdlete | we'll see if that quiets down logwatch tomorrow... | 06:45 |
systemdlete | thanks furrywolf | 06:45 |
systemdlete | 4.0.2 -- that's an old kernel! | 06:46 |
furrywolf | when fsck is done, you'll have an un-corrupted filesystem. the questions are whether you lost any data, and whether it was due to an ongoing issue, or a single-even thing like killing the vm at exactly the wrong instant. | 06:46 |
systemdlete | and not using raid in my VM; all data is replicated by the host | 06:46 |
systemdlete | host's raid that is | 06:46 |
systemdlete | furrywolf: I'd expect such a scenario to show up much sooner than 52 days... ? | 06:47 |
furrywolf | dunno | 06:47 |
furrywolf | random bugs are often very random. | 06:47 |
furrywolf | what kernel is the host running? | 06:48 |
systemdlete | 2.6.32, which I know is ooooOOOOOOoooold ... | 06:48 |
systemdlete | but no other VM's are reporting such issues atm | 06:49 |
systemdlete | I have about 7 running... | 06:49 |
systemdlete | so I'd think there would be more complaining the same way if it were a host i/o issue | 06:49 |
systemdlete | (I'd think; mainly because there were hundreds of errors in the one VM) | 06:50 |
furrywolf | "ext4 in Kernel 2.6.33 or Earlier May Silently Corrupt Data" "linux-ext4 - [Bug 14354] Bad corruption with 2.6.32-rc1 and upwards" "Bug#636290: linux-image-2.6.32-5-amd64: serious ext4 filesystem corruption" ... | 06:51 |
furrywolf | hopefully all of these have been patched in a kernel they're shipping in modern times, but... | 06:52 |
systemdlete | it's a recent patch, yes | 06:52 |
systemdlete | (754) | 06:52 |
systemdlete | but ext4 on the host does not imply that ext4 fs in the guest will have a problem necessarily | 06:52 |
systemdlete | the two are not related | 06:52 |
systemdlete | the guest is looking, basically, at a file image in the host fs, ext4 or any other | 06:53 |
furrywolf | I'm surprised it uses a kernel almost ten years old.... | 06:53 |
systemdlete | and, as a matter of fact, the host is using ext3, not ext4, for hosting all my VMs | 06:53 |
systemdlete | but it IS indeed interesting | 06:54 |
systemdlete | well, CentOS before the great Linux rupture, was a great and stable OS. I didn't mind using older wares in exchange for stability | 06:54 |
systemdlete | with C7 and on, my faith is gone... | 06:54 |
systemdlete | (Redhat/CentOS went rogue) | 06:55 |
furrywolf | googling suggests that virtualbox does indeed lie to the guest os and report writes as complete while they're still in memory, so if your vm ever died unexpectedly, corruption is likely. | 06:57 |
systemdlete | sure, that's possible. But why would it take 52 minus 6 days for errors to start appearing? | 06:58 |
systemdlete | especially given that the fs was probably fsck'd on boot? | 06:59 |
furrywolf | virtualbox seems to have a number of fs-corrupting bugs, from what I see googling. | 06:59 |
furrywolf | but, now, sleep. bbl. | 06:59 |
systemdlete | later | 07:00 |
saptech | hello all | 07:53 |
saptech | I was opening a text file from within thunar and when I clicked Execute, it made the complete text, icons smaller. I'm not sure why it done that but how can I get everything back to normal size? This was running Xfce4 | 07:56 |
saptech | everything is too small so now I'm running openbox | 07:57 |
holla | xfce-setting-show ui | 08:00 |
saptech | holla, can that be ran from terminal? | 08:04 |
holla | hopefully | 08:04 |
saptech | how can I bring it up using openbox? | 08:04 |
holla | https://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-panel/applicationsmenu | 08:05 |
saptech | xfce-setting-show: command not found | 08:05 |
telst4r | is it not xfce4-settings-... ? | 08:06 |
saptech | xfce4-setting-show: command not found | 08:07 |
saptech | but the fonts in the panel are small and icons on the desktop are small | 08:07 |
saptech | when I open any gui app, the fonts are small | 08:07 |
saptech | the fonts on Terminal top panel are small but the inside terminal fonts are normal | 08:08 |
telst4r | can you navigate to xfce4-settings-manager -> appearance -> fonts? | 08:10 |
saptech | I'm there | 08:11 |
telst4r | what does it say for default font? | 08:11 |
saptech | 4 | 08:12 |
telst4r | Wow thats small :) try increasing it a lil :) | 08:12 |
saptech | what would default size be, about 9? | 08:13 |
telst4r | I got 10 | 08:13 |
saptech | Ok. I need to log out and go back into xfce | 08:13 |
telst4r | but then again I've got very low res | 08:13 |
saptech | let me check, brb | 08:14 |
saptech | telst4r, that fixed it. Thanks all | 08:16 |
saptech | I haven't used xfce in awhile and couldn't hardly see writings | 08:17 |
telst4r | Good to hear :) | 08:17 |
holla | could you paste that file you executed somewhere? | 08:17 |
saptech | hold it | 08:19 |
saptech | after openining thunar, now the fonts in toolbar are small again | 08:20 |
telst4r | Text files should not be executable in the first place.. | 08:20 |
saptech | this is mainly the apps | 08:20 |
telst4r | ah man .. :D | 08:21 |
saptech | default fonts are still set at 9 in Settings Manager | 08:22 |
saptech | are there settings for the toolbar or what is it called | 08:23 |
saptech | telst4r, I thought with thunar, Execute mean to open the file if it's text | 08:24 |
saptech | I haven't used xfce in some time | 08:25 |
saptech | brb | 08:26 |
* holla would really like to see what's in that file | 08:27 | |
saptech | I guess I didn't notice the fonts were tiny in the toolbar until now but the desktop icons are back normal | 08:31 |
saptech | maybe this is why I stop using xfce | 08:31 |
saptech | would there be a config file someplace I could mv with new name and would xfce re-create the default settings? | 08:39 |
holla | somewhere underneath '~/.config/xfce4/' | 08:43 |
saptech | holla, I think this was the file I did Execute with using Thunar and I guess it made things smaller | 08:47 |
saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/836313e24463 | 08:47 |
saptech | there are two one for larger fonts & smaller fonts that was located in Documents by default | 08:48 |
saptech | I tried the larger fonts but in order for the toolbar fonts to be larger, the text fonts increase and are too large | 08:49 |
plasma41 | saptech: On the desktop-live isos, there are a pair of icons on the desktop that increase and decrease the font used by the system. | 08:49 |
saptech | are those the ones in Documents folder, maybe I moved them there after install | 08:50 |
saptech | this install is about a week old | 08:50 |
plasma41 | I don't think they aren't in Documents. They are on the Desktop in the live session. | 08:52 |
plasma41 | s/aren't/are/ | 08:53 |
saptech | I guess I moved them after installation | 08:54 |
saptech | openbox have obconf and it offer a Menu Header choice to increase/decrease. Is there something for xfce? | 08:57 |
plasma41 | Menu Header? | 08:57 |
saptech | I guess toolbar | 08:58 |
saptech | at top of open windows | 08:58 |
saptech | the text | 08:58 |
saptech | that's the only thing tiny size | 08:59 |
plasma41 | Oh, the title bar of windows? | 08:59 |
plasma41 | xfwm4-settings | 09:01 |
saptech | yes, that's it | 09:03 |
saptech | do you know the default size | 09:03 |
saptech | title bar | 09:04 |
saptech | it was set at 2...lol | 09:04 |
plasma41 | I don't know what the default is. I have mine set to Sans Bold 9 | 09:04 |
saptech | I set it at sans bold 8 | 09:05 |
saptech | thanks alot | 09:05 |
plasma41 | mp | 09:05 |
plasma41 | np | 09:05 |
saptech | that was an adventure | 09:06 |
saptech | thanks again all, going to bed now | 09:11 |
asbesto | PETUS | 09:17 |
jordila | fsmithred . Voilà ... installation successful . | 12:57 |
plasma41 | jordila: Nice! | 12:58 |
jordila | yep plasma41 | 13:00 |
_abc_ | Hello. Has anyone got a link to the online kernel sources used by devuan ascii (at debian?), especially usblp.c ? I found 2 versions and one seems to cripple my hardware. | 17:07 |
fsmithred | apt-get source linux-image-whatever | 17:08 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: another: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii-contrib/Release is in my sources.list but is a 404 when accessing it. Do I delete it or did it go somewhere else? | 17:50 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: why do you have such a line in sources.list? | 17:56 |
_abc_ | KatolaZ: I don't know, but it used to work. | 18:12 |
_abc_ | And I think it was suggested here in the past. | 18:12 |
_abc_ | Don't remember the context, alas | 18:12 |
_abc_ | Where does the source get unpacked if I get it with apt? Kernel source? Current dir or specific location? | 18:13 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: if that is the exact line you have in sources.list, I doubt it has worked ever | 18:13 |
_abc_ | It was not that exact line, that was the error raised by aptitude when updating packages | 18:14 |
_abc_ | the tag was ascii-contrib | 18:14 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: ascii-contrib is not a suite | 18:14 |
KatolaZ | never been | 18:14 |
_abc_ | I can see that. But I have no idea when and why I edited that in. | 18:15 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: what is the exact line, please? | 18:15 |
KatolaZ | (in the sources.list, I mean) | 18:15 |
_abc_ | strange, I am running 4.9.88 and I can only get sources for .80 ? | 18:17 |
_abc_ | No, .110 | 18:17 |
_abc_ | .80 or .110 | 18:17 |
_abc_ | So the exact source for .80 is not available in aptitude? | 18:17 |
_abc_ | That was the original kernel build for ascii live release. | 18:18 |
KatolaZ | _abc_: your kernel comes from backports, most probably | 18:18 |
KatolaZ | or from -security | 18:18 |
KatolaZ | in there you only have the latest available update | 18:18 |
_abc_ | My kernel comes from original live devuan probably | 18:18 |
_abc_ | And was not updated [shame on me] | 18:18 |
_abc_ | live devuan ascii | 18:18 |
_abc_ | linux-source install defaults to .110 | 18:19 |
_abc_ | I don't understand. linux-source is .80 but is a 12k stub and pulls in the .110 | 18:20 |
_abc_ | Is there a way to get the exact same version source as I am running? .88 ? | 18:20 |
_abc_ | I would like to rebuild a specific module and use it in the running install without reinstalling the kernel | 18:21 |
saptech | hello all | 18:23 |
_abc_ | Hi. | 18:23 |
_abc_ | Ok the source was placed in /usr/src as compressed packages | 18:24 |
saptech | looking at my home directory, I see groups are named, "adm" instead of username | 18:24 |
saptech | saptech adm 4096 Sep 25 18:29 Documents | 18:24 |
saptech | how do I change adm to user? | 18:24 |
saptech | well I think adm should be changed to username as group | 18:25 |
KatolaZ | saptech: how did you install devuan? (and which release are we talking about?) | 18:25 |
saptech | I installed using xfce4 livecd iso, ascii | 18:26 |
saptech | this install is about 2-3 weeks old | 18:26 |
saptech | I just now noticed it | 18:27 |
KatolaZ | saptech: that's pretty strange TBH | 18:28 |
KatolaZ | fsmithred: ^^^ any clue? | 18:28 |
saptech | I agree | 18:29 |
saptech | after install, does devuan add users to groups by default because I am in the adm group and floppy group | 18:30 |
saptech | When I add myself, I do not add floppy because I do not have a floppy drive | 18:30 |
buZz | default devuan adds users made to a user-only group | 18:30 |
saptech | there are other groups i'm included with also | 18:30 |
buZz | (plus any other groups) | 18:30 |
saptech | yes | 18:30 |
_abc_ | I got linux-patch-4.9-rt.patch.xz default installed by the system in /usr/src, must I apply it? My running kernel does not seem to be a rt one | 18:31 |
buZz | saptech: check 'id' , does that show a saptech group? | 18:31 |
saptech | adm cdrom floppy sudo audio dip video plugdev netdev lpadmin scanner | 18:31 |
buZz | _abc_: yes, patches need to be applied, just extracting doesnt do anything | 18:31 |
saptech | $ id uid=1000(saptech) gid=4(adm) groups=4(adm),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(netdev),114(lpadmin),116(scanner) | 18:31 |
_abc_ | It is not clear if it has to be applied for this kernel. | 18:31 |
buZz | saptech: very bizar :P | 18:31 |
buZz | _abc_: ok | 18:31 |
_abc_ | the running kernel is Linux devuan 4.9.0-6-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1 (2018-04-29) i686 GNU/Linux which seems to have no rt in it | 18:32 |
KatolaZ | saptech: that might be due to some adjustments made in the live iso | 18:32 |
KatolaZ | in order to guarantee that you have enough permissions to try the live iso out without becoming root | 18:33 |
buZz | _abc_: you apply kernel patches on kernel sourcecode , then you compile it , and then install the result | 18:33 |
_abc_ | buZz: please | 18:33 |
buZz | _abc_: maybe google something like 'how to apply a kernel patch' ? | 18:33 |
saptech | katolaz, does adm=admin? | 18:33 |
KatolaZ | saptech: adm==adm | 18:33 |
KatolaZ | saptech: which folders have a gid equal to adm? | 18:35 |
saptech | all of them | 18:35 |
saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/4aca315d9ebe | 18:36 |
saptech | it show all | 18:36 |
KatolaZ | ok saptech but those are all auto-generated at install time... | 18:37 |
KatolaZ | what is the primary group of your user? <- saptech | 18:37 |
KatolaZ | oh your gid is adm | 18:38 |
KatolaZ | you should change that in /etc/passwd | 18:38 |
saptech | I think fsmithred, had me add the directories | 18:38 |
GyrosGeier | hmpf | 18:38 |
saptech | how would I change it in /etc/passwd? | 18:38 |
KatolaZ | saptech: which group you want as your gid? | 18:39 |
saptech | saptech | 18:40 |
saptech | would I change this line; 'saptech:x:1000:4:SP'? | 18:41 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 18:42 |
KatolaZ | saptech: do you have a "saptech" group in your system? | 18:42 |
saptech | no, I don't think so | 18:43 |
KatolaZ | just double-check... | 18:43 |
saptech | groups=4(adm),24(cdrom),25(floppy),27(sudo),29(audio),30(dip),44(video),46(plugdev),103(netdev),114(lpadmin),116(scanner) | 18:43 |
saptech | using the id cmd | 18:43 |
KatolaZ | this does not answer my question. | 18:44 |
KatolaZ | those are the groups to which the user "saptech" belongs | 18:44 |
KatolaZ | grep -c "saptech:" /etc/group | 18:45 |
KatolaZ | saptech: ^^ | 18:45 |
saptech | ok | 18:45 |
KatolaZ | (or just open /etc/group and look for "saptech") | 18:45 |
saptech | here is /etc/group list | 18:47 |
saptech | https://bpaste.net/show/a96fbf7652ac | 18:47 |
saptech | now I have the wife profile and she only have her name as group | 18:47 |
KatolaZ | saptech: can't you just check if there is a line that starts with saptech:? | 18:47 |
saptech | no other groups | 18:47 |
saptech | this only one with saptech--> saptech:x:1000 | 18:48 |
KatolaZ | so you do have such line | 18:48 |
saptech | ok | 18:48 |
KatolaZ | => there is a group named "saptech" in your system | 18:49 |
KatolaZ | then you just need to modify the gid of saptech | 18:50 |
saptech | so what is the second one(adm) is called? | 18:50 |
KatolaZ | saptech: ? | 18:50 |
saptech | sorry, I can't keep up with names | 18:52 |
saptech | saptech adm | 18:52 |
saptech | is first one user group and second one groups | 18:52 |
KatolaZ | saptech: you should read something about groups in unix | 18:53 |
KatolaZ | BTW | 18:53 |
KatolaZ | if you just want to change the primary group of "saptech" to the group "saptech" then you should modify /etc/passwd | 18:53 |
saptech | true and I have, I just can't remember at times | 18:53 |
KatolaZ | in there there is a line starting with "saptech:x:1000:4:" | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | change "4" with "1000" on that line | 18:54 |
saptech | yes I saw that | 18:54 |
saptech | will mousepad do to edit it? | 18:54 |
KatolaZ | and then logout and login again | 18:54 |
saptech | as root? | 18:54 |
saptech | I think fsmithred had me add groups, probably not adm, because the wife do not have any groups except, her name | 18:56 |
KatolaZ | saptech: | 18:57 |
KatolaZ | ok but your gid must not be adm | 18:58 |
saptech | right | 18:58 |
KatolaZ | unless you know what you are doing | 18:58 |
KatolaZ | so just replace 4 with 1000 in that line in /etc/passwd | 18:58 |
KatolaZ | please be careful in not touching anything else | 18:58 |
saptech | ok, I have | 18:59 |
saptech | thanks. brb | 18:59 |
KatolaZ | and maybe get hold of a good tutorial on unix basics, one of these days ;) | 18:59 |
saptech | yes | 18:59 |
saptech | changing /etc/passwd didn't work | 19:09 |
saptech | but let me see using groupmod -g cmd | 19:09 |
KatolaZ | uh | 19:10 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 19:10 |
saptech | no changes | 19:13 |
KatolaZ | saptech: | 19:13 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 19:13 |
KatolaZ | id | 19:13 |
saptech | uid=1000(saptech) gid=1000(saptech) groups=1000(saptech) | 19:14 |
KatolaZ | so it worked | 19:14 |
KatolaZ | now your gid is 1000 | 19:14 |
KatolaZ | (saptech) | 19:14 |
saptech | but when I type ls -l it's still showing adm | 19:14 |
KatolaZ | saptech: you need to change the group id of those files/dirs | 19:15 |
saptech | I've logged out & rebooted | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | stop it saptech | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | :D | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | you need the command `chgrp` | 19:15 |
KatolaZ | (maybe you can do it by clicking here and there, I dunno) | 19:15 |
saptech | ok, let me try it | 19:16 |
saptech | chgrp seems to work | 19:20 |
saptech | thanks again | 19:21 |
saptech | now the files inside directories need to be changed manually, is there a command to change all files at once? :) | 19:22 |
saptech | never mind, I figured it out | 19:23 |
KatolaZ | saptech: | 19:23 |
KatolaZ | -R | 19:23 |
saptech | thanks, I have it done, only Documents have files in it | 19:25 |
saptech | whewww, that was an adventure | 19:25 |
saptech | ok, next issue | 19:33 |
saptech | how to format my hdd | 19:33 |
saptech | just kidding | 19:34 |
saptech | :) | 19:34 |
_abc_ | In a kernel driver context, what's the difference between old style and new style ioctl numbers and symbols please? | 19:53 |
_abc_ | hm? | 19:55 |
Wonka | *sigh* what is so complicated about having all .deb files on a mirror that are advertized in a Packages file? | 20:21 |
Wonka | E: Failed to fetch http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb: 404 Not Found [IP: 185.183.113.129 80]▒ | 20:21 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: hold on | 20:22 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: have you apt-get update-d? | 20:23 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: the package is available from that mirror | 20:24 |
KatolaZ | .... | 20:24 |
KatolaZ | could you please retry? | 20:24 |
buZz | KatolaZ: NO! | 20:27 |
buZz | :d | 20:27 |
buZz | jk | 20:27 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: "aptitude -u" was what I started with, and I hit "u" again after the first occurrence. | 20:27 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: I can get the package from that mirror | 20:29 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: just try: curl -s -L -f --header "Host: deb.devuan.org" http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb > tmp | 20:30 |
KatolaZ | sorry, remove "-s" | 20:30 |
Wonka | #$ wget http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb | 20:31 |
Wonka | --2018-10-14 20:30:29-- http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb | 20:31 |
Wonka | Resolving deb.devuan.org (deb.devuan.org)... 185.183.113.129, 31.220.0.151, 195.85.215.180, ... | 20:31 |
Wonka | Connecting to deb.devuan.org (deb.devuan.org)|185.183.113.129|:80... connected. | 20:31 |
Wonka | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found | 20:31 |
Wonka | 2018-10-14 20:30:29 ERROR 404: Not Found. | 20:31 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: could you please try the line above? | 20:31 |
buZz | 'apt update; apt install libdb5.3' | 20:32 |
buZz | does that give a 404? | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | no it doesnt | 20:33 |
buZz | it doesnt here either | 20:33 |
buZz | i got no clue how aptitude works though, i dont use ubuntu software often | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: apt-cache policy libdb5.3 | 20:33 |
Wonka | curl: (22) The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found | 20:34 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: see the last line, please | 20:36 |
_abc_ | Fwiw I was able to work around the problems I had with the usblp interface without rebuilding the kernel or it's modules. By reading source in the usual way. | 20:38 |
_abc_ | I would still like to know if the kernel for devuan must be built "in the devuan way" or if it can be built manually in the normal cli way. | 20:38 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: that's without "-s" | 20:38 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: one moment... | 20:38 |
_abc_ | And, about how much space is needed for a build, the sources being about 800MB unpacked. | 20:38 |
Wonka | (had to help with my 10 days old daughter inbetween) | 20:39 |
_abc_ | I there any way to get the exact kernel sources used to build the running kernel in ascii live? fsmithred ? 4.9.80-1 ? Is that somewhere online where I could get it? | 20:39 |
Wonka | libdb5.3: | 20:40 |
Wonka | Installed: 5.3.28-13.1+b1 | 20:40 |
Wonka | Candidate: 5.3.28-13.1+b1 | 20:40 |
Wonka | Version table: | 20:40 |
Wonka | 5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2 90 | 20:40 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: switch your computer off then :) kids are much better than Devuan installations ;) | 20:40 |
Wonka | 90 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages | 20:40 |
Wonka | *** 5.3.28-13.1+b1 100 | 20:40 |
Wonka | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 20:40 |
Wonka | 5.3.28-12+deb9u1 990 | 20:40 |
Wonka | 990 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ascii/main amd64 Packages | 20:40 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: why do you want to install a version that is *not* available then? | 20:40 |
KatolaZ | (and it seems like you have a pin somewhere...) | 20:40 |
KatolaZ | and where did you get 5.3.28-13.1+b1 from? | 20:41 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: I want to switch from 5.3.28-13.1+b1 to 5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2, which has prio 90 | 20:41 |
KatolaZ | it looks like a ubuntu package... | 20:42 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: got it from unstable, I'd claim | 20:42 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: that package is not available in ascii | 20:42 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: but in ceres | 20:42 |
KatolaZ | you have 5.3.28-12+deb9u1 | 20:42 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: nope, I have 5.3.28-13.1+b1 | 20:42 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: 5.3.28-12+deb9u1 is available in ascii | 20:43 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: I'm trying to install 5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2, which aptitude shows as available in "unstable". | 20:43 |
Wonka | aka "ceres" | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: and why your aptitude looks for it in the ascii repo? | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | (or maybe it doesn't) | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 20:44 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: where does "90 http://deb.devuan.org/merged ceres/main amd64 Packages" or "http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb" say "ascii"? *confused* | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | hold on Wonka | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | I am trying to help | 20:44 |
KatolaZ | :) | 20:44 |
Wonka | I know, thanks; and I can't rule out that I'm actually confused | 20:45 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: which arch is the installation on? | 20:46 |
Wonka | amd64,i386 | 20:46 |
Wonka | the package I do not find is i386 | 20:46 |
KatolaZ | ok | 20:46 |
KatolaZ | are you sure it is available for i386? | 20:47 |
buZz | libdb? totally should be | 20:47 |
KatolaZ | the specified version, buZz | 20:48 |
buZz | oh | 20:48 |
KatolaZ | https://packages.debian.org/sid/libdb5.3 | 20:48 |
Wonka | well, https://deb.devuan.org/merged/dists/ceres/main/binary-i386/Packages.xz claims it is | 20:48 |
buZz | huh , deb.devuan.org ? | 20:48 |
buZz | isnt that old | 20:48 |
Wonka | "Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb | 20:48 |
Wonka | " | 20:48 |
KatolaZ | buZz: ?!? | 20:49 |
buZz | weird | 20:49 |
buZz | getting HSTS errors on deb.devuan.org | 20:49 |
KatolaZ | buZz: what is weird? | 20:49 |
KatolaZ | buZz: deb.devuan.org has NO support for SSL | 20:49 |
buZz | ahhh | 20:49 |
KatolaZ | ehhhh | 20:49 |
KatolaZ | :) | 20:49 |
buZz | actually it does respond on that | 20:49 |
buZz | with a devuan.ipacct.com | 20:50 |
buZz | cert | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | buZz: deb/devuan.org is a DNS RR | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | Round-Robin | 20:50 |
buZz | right, ok | 20:50 |
buZz | a messy one :P | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | nope | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | one that does not support https | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | ") | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | :) | 20:50 |
KatolaZ | as specified in the ascii release notes | 20:50 |
Wonka | interestingly, 'curl -L -f --header "Host: deb.devuan.org" http://185.183.113.129/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_amd64.deb' works just fine | 20:50 |
Wonka | so, amd64 is there, i386 is not. | 20:51 |
buZz | libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb | 20:51 |
buZz | thats there | 20:51 |
KatolaZ | yes Wonka | 20:51 |
KatolaZ | it looks like the i386 package is missing | 20:51 |
buZz | i see it | 20:51 |
KatolaZ | doing some more tests | 20:51 |
buZz | so, this isnt the one you're searching for ? http://deb.devuan.org/merged/pool/DEBIAN/main/d/db5.3/libdb5.3_5.3.28+dfsg1-0.2_i386.deb | 20:52 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: it looks like it is available from other mirrors | 20:52 |
KatolaZ | but not from that one | 20:52 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: yep, got it from 5.196.38.18 just now | 20:53 |
KatolaZ | which seems to be a problem with the debian mirror *behind* that specific mirror | 20:53 |
Wonka | buZz: it is the one - but one mirror serving deb.devuan.org does not have it | 20:53 |
buZz | ah, bad mirror! | 20:53 |
Wonka | KatolaZ: oh fun | 20:53 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: not much fun, indeed | 20:53 |
KatolaZ | will remove it from the RR and ask for clarifications :) | 20:54 |
Wonka | mirror went partially blind *duck* | 20:54 |
Wonka | thx | 20:54 |
Wonka | I always like to help projects like Devuan, even if only croaking about such things... | 20:54 |
Wonka | sometimes it's the best I can do, with a day job and a toddler, and a newborn... | 20:55 |
KatolaZ | Wonka: removed now | 20:55 |
Wonka | thx | 20:57 |
KatolaZ | np | 20:58 |
KatolaZ | thank you | 20:58 |
golinux | Wonka: You have my condolences. | 21:17 |
saptech | well, I have xfce4 setup the way I want, next to work on openbox | 21:25 |
buZz | i like openbox way more | 21:26 |
buZz | no silly 'icons' to click on like you're a toddler | 21:26 |
saptech | yes I use openbox mostly, the family use other DEs | 21:38 |
fsmithred | _abc_, you can compile a kernel any way you want, but if you do it the debian way, you get packages and apt knows the kernel is there. | 22:09 |
fsmithred | ascii source is here: https://anonscm.debian.org/git/kernel/linux-latest.git | 22:09 |
fsmithred | oh, that's just the debian directory. I don't know where the actual source is other than to let apt get it. | 22:10 |
fsmithred | nope, I said that backward. | 22:11 |
fsmithred | apt-get install linux-source-4.9 | 22:12 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: The source is on kernel.org but that is not what I asked. Thanks for answering anyway. I'll get 4.9.80 from kernel.org and suss out the patch set to make it debian. | 23:49 |
fsmithred | the non-debianized source is at kernel.org. You can use that. | 23:49 |
_abc_ | When I installed linux-source/4.9 I ended up with .80 or .110, .88 is not an option | 23:49 |
fsmithred | .80 | 23:49 |
_abc_ | Anyway I sorted the problem from user land, wrote a lemma and it works with ioctl with the present kernel module, but I had to read the source to write the program. | 23:50 |
_abc_ | Linux devuan 4.9.0-6-686 #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1 (2018-04-29) i686 GNU/Linux | 23:50 |
_abc_ | fsmithred: ^ that was on ascii live when I started playing, that is my present kernel. | 23:50 |
_abc_ | note .88 | 23:51 |
_abc_ | I think you put it there? Or upstream? | 23:51 |
_abc_ | Anyway, I was trying hard to build the module under the exact same version as the running kernel, and only use the newly built module. | 23:51 |
_abc_ | I.e. not upgrade/change the entire kernel and module tree. | 23:51 |
furrywolf | we should improve the kernel to use dbus for talking to modules, so you don't need to worry about things like that. | 23:53 |
fsmithred | I think you just need the headers to build modules | 23:54 |
buZz | and perhaps dkms :) | 23:56 |
furrywolf | I wish microkernels were a thing. | 23:58 |
buZz | devuanhurd? :D | 23:59 |
buZz | that might be do-able, iirc debian has some fork that builds on hurd | 23:59 |
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