| systemdlete | EXT4-fs error: 12 callbacks suppressed apparently this error recurs from time to time from what I've been reading | 04:48 |
|---|---|---|
| systemdlete | this is happening in a VM; there is no evidence of any hard error in the host | 04:48 |
| systemdlete | I'm getting tons of these in my ascii | 04:49 |
| systemdlete | system seems stable enough though (uptime 51 days) | 04:49 |
| systemdlete | linux 4.9.0-7 kernel and I've rebooted since update | 04:50 |
| systemdlete | wonder if anyone else here has seen this... | 04:51 |
| mchasard | hi | 07:41 |
| mchasard | i'm running crowz devuan open box and i would like to get locales all in french and all the software program | 07:43 |
| holla | # dpkg-reconfigure locales | 07:47 |
| debdog | mayhap "dpkg-reconfigure locales" (as root) helps | 07:47 |
| debdog | well, too slow | 07:47 |
| golinux | mchasard: When you ask a question it's best to stay logged in so you can see an answer if one is posted. | 07:48 |
| holla | or leave the keys to your sshd under the footmat so we can help ourselves ;) | 07:52 |
| mchasard | ok sorry for that | 07:56 |
| man_in_shack | you're ot sorry :P | 07:56 |
| man_in_shack | *not | 07:56 |
| mchasard | i already did this dpkg-reconfigure locales | 07:58 |
| man_in_shack | did you then log out and back in? | 07:59 |
| mchasard | yes | 08:00 |
| man_in_shack | what does running "locale" say? | 08:00 |
| mchasard | can i paste here ? | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LANG=fr_FR.UTF-8 | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LANGUAGE= | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_CTYPE="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_NUMERIC="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_TIME="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_COLLATE="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_MONETARY="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_MESSAGES="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_PAPER="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_NAME="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_ADDRESS="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_TELEPHONE="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| mchasard | LC_MEASUREMENT="fr_FR.UTF-8" | 08:01 |
| debdog | lol | 08:01 |
| mchasard | sorry for the paste | 08:04 |
| mchasard | so locales seems to be right | 08:04 |
| mchasard | so no more help for me please ? | 08:13 |
| gnarface | it says you're using french unicode | 08:14 |
| mchasard | and whats the matter? | 08:14 |
| gnarface | this is just the default, you can have more than one available. it's possible you have some programs that support french but not unicode. presumably there was a character set for french before unicode | 08:15 |
| gnarface | for english it's iso-8859-1 | 08:15 |
| gnarface | i think for french it's something similar but i'm not sure | 08:15 |
| gnarface | it should be pretty self explanatory if you look at the other options near this one in the `dpkg-reconfigure locales` panel | 08:16 |
| gnarface | it might ALSO be a good idea to include iso-8859-1 in case you have programs that are not properly internationalized. if they're not, they're usually using that one. | 08:16 |
| mchasard | yes i already did this command and choose the right | 08:16 |
| mchasard | its may be due to this new distro crowz based under devuan | 08:17 |
| gnarface | i can't tell you for sure, but yea unicode support is still a tripping point in a lot of places | 08:17 |
| gnarface | i think some stuff may be able to be forced to behave just by specifying LANG=C | 08:19 |
| FatPhil | unicode is now just a clipart library. LANG=C forever! | 08:20 |
| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 09:36 |
| cousin_luigi | There's something I don't get: do devuan mirrors contain all (or most) of the debian packages? Or am I supposed to add those as well? | 09:37 |
| KatolaZ | cousin_luigi: you just need devuan repo | 09:38 |
| KatolaZ | the repo does the magic | 09:38 |
| cousin_luigi | KatolaZ: As in bridging the connection toward debian mirrors? | 09:39 |
| KatolaZ | cousin_luigi: as in "magic" | 09:39 |
| KatolaZ | ;) | 09:40 |
| cousin_luigi | KatolaZ: I'm curious about such magic:) | 09:40 |
| KatolaZ | devuan repos serve devuan-forked packages directly and redirect to a debian mirror for the packages that have not been forked | 09:40 |
| KatolaZ | the answer to your question is: you just need Devuan repos in your sources.list | 09:41 |
| KatolaZ | and avoid to mix repos, for your sanity | 09:41 |
| cousin_luigi | KatolaZ: Actually I worried about devuan mirrors having to foot the bill for that traffic:) | 09:42 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 09:42 |
| cousin_luigi | But if it's a mere redirection, no trouble. | 09:42 |
| KatolaZ | still fail to see your point, but i think I can live with that :) | 09:44 |
| * jordila yeah ... am i always late on joining the party ? | 11:19 | |
| jordila | Newbie here ... i'm trying to install from Live USB, yet i'm not being able to put /home on a dedicated partition, eventhough i selected that option. What am i missing ? | 11:50 |
| * jordila installer summary says, ' -->/home will not be installed on a separate partition ' | 11:52 | |
| jordila | ok ... now. jordila was too impatient . | 12:15 |
| fsmithred | jordila, did you figure it out? | 13:16 |
| jordila | yay fsmithred ... i'm now enjoying Devuan installer's user experience ? | 13:27 |
| * jordila ... i feel, like being back home ? | 13:27 | |
| fsmithred | did you get the live installer to do what you want? | 13:37 |
| fsmithred | jordila, ^^^ | 13:44 |
| PinkBellyNagger | fucki i hate systemd | 14:02 |
| PinkBellyNagger | i'm angry | 14:02 |
| PinkBellyNagger | https://assets.libsyn.com/secure/show/78736/Screen_Shot_2017-11-04_at_4.06.18_PM.png | 14:02 |
| jelly | PinkBellyNagger: you do realize I just kicked you from the other channel for doing this shit | 14:15 |
| jelly | how does repeating the same "oops wrong pix" schtick feel like a good idea | 14:16 |
| PinkBellyNagger | jelly you redhat | 14:20 |
| PinkBellyNagger | jelly you jelly | 14:20 |
| PinkBellyNagger | hey jelly why don't you jelly and jelly yourslef | 14:20 |
| jordila | fsmithred ... not yet . Probably due to missing EFI partition ? | 14:21 |
| fsmithred | jordila, at what point did it fail? | 14:21 |
| PinkBellyNagger | Hey how about linux become strong and not be fags to sjw bs. huh? | 14:21 |
| * jordila BTW, according to https://devuan.org/os/community ... i might "You may use your account at git.devuan.org to login to the Dev1Galaxy Forum." and i'm not . What am i missing ? | 14:22 | |
| PinkBellyNagger | How about we write a good ass, solid OS and stop being pussies | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | you starting with a new hard drive? | 14:22 |
| jordila | yes fsmithred . | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | are you logged into git.devuan.org? | 14:22 |
| jordila | i am logged onto | 14:22 |
| fsmithred | I don't know. I'll stick to helping you with the installer | 14:23 |
| fsmithred | so yeah, if you booted in uefi mode, you need to have efi partition | 14:23 |
| jordila | sure fsmithred . thanks for | 14:23 |
| fsmithred | fat32, maybe 100-200mb, flagged as esp,boot | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | or ef00 if you're into gdisk | 14:24 |
| jordila | ah | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | if you're missing that partition, the installer should tell you that | 14:24 |
| fsmithred | should also tell you if you forgot to put a filesystem on it | 14:24 |
| jordila | yes , i like it's guidance & verbosity | 14:25 |
| fsmithred | you doing it again? | 14:28 |
| jordila | yes, from scratch . | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | ok | 14:28 |
| fsmithred | you're using ascii, right? (current stable) | 14:29 |
| jordila | sure | 14:29 |
| * jordila created a fat32, 200mb, flagged as esp,boot partition for EFI purposes | 14:32 | |
| fsmithred | you can partition the drive before you run the installer | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | good | 14:32 |
| jordila | i am doing so . | 14:32 |
| fsmithred | is this the only hard drive on the computer? | 14:33 |
| * jordila would like to enjoy the 'Experimental' à la ' bring your /home with you ' | 14:33 | |
| * fsmithred is scared | 14:34 | |
| jordila | it is a USB Disk , i like enjoying it's portability ? | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | yup | 14:34 |
| fsmithred | so make sure to use uuid in fstab and... uh-oh | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | is there an efi partition on an internal hard drive? | 14:35 |
| jordila | nice to know . | 14:35 |
| jordila | no, there is not . | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | ok, that simplifies it | 14:35 |
| fsmithred | actually, if there was one, installer would have used it | 14:36 |
| fsmithred | are you encrypting it? | 14:36 |
| jordila | ah . Live installer says ' There is no EFI partition. You will need to create one ... ' .' Continue' ? | 14:36 |
| jordila | No encryption. | 14:37 |
| fsmithred | are you before or after it asks if you want to run gparted? | 14:37 |
| jordila | Before it . | 14:38 |
| fsmithred | well, I guess run gparted and check to make sure you really did what you think you did. | 14:39 |
| fsmithred | oh, did you use gpt partition table? | 14:39 |
| jordila | In the USB Disk ? | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure that's required for uefi boot | 14:40 |
| fsmithred | if you want portability, you might be better off with live-usb plus persistent volume | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | then you could boot uefi or bios | 14:41 |
| fsmithred | brb | 14:43 |
| * jordila created a a GPartitionTable + fat32, 200mb, flagged as esp,boot partition for EFI purposes | 14:44 | |
| * jordila re-launches Live installer | 14:44 | |
| * jordila Live Installer founded EFI partition | 14:45 | |
| jordila | (found (sic)) | 14:45 |
| * jordila selects 'Experimental' à la ' bring your /home with you ' | 14:46 | |
| jordila | How would i proceed with ... ^^ ? | 14:47 |
| fsmithred | what home are you bringing??? It's a clean drive. | 14:48 |
| fsmithred | if you have one somewhere else, just rsync it over later | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | that experimental option is nuts. If you want to re-use a home, it's better to do it manually. | 14:49 |
| jordila | i'll rsync later ... | 14:49 |
| fsmithred | you get to mess with config files if they're different | 14:49 |
| * jordila selects [x] create a a | 14:51 | |
| * jordila ... new separate /home partition ' | 14:51 | |
| fsmithred | yes | 14:51 |
| jordila | maybe... [x] Use filesystem labels (disk labels) in /etc/fstab ... for USB disk portability purposes ? | 14:53 |
| fsmithred | that's easier than uuid if you have to do anything with it | 14:53 |
| jordila | more user friendly... sure | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | if you're going to add labels in gparted, then also check 'do not format' | 14:54 |
| jordila | ah | 14:54 |
| fsmithred | because normally, the installer formats the partitions you choose | 14:54 |
| jordila | may i choose '[x] Use UUID ... ' and / or [ ] Use filesystem labels (disk labels) in /etc/fstab ' ? | 14:55 |
| fsmithred | one or the other | 14:55 |
| jordila | is '[ ] Create a separate /boot partition ' needed in our scenario ? | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | no | 14:56 |
| fsmithred | that's there if you want to encrypt the root partition | 14:57 |
| fsmithred | but it's no longer necessary - grub will handle encrypted /boot directory | 14:57 |
| jordila | fsmithred , GPartitionTable + fat32, 200mb, flagged as esp,boot partition for EFI purposes is not being recognised by the Live Installer now ... when re-launching it. what am i missing ? | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | I don't know. Can you past the log somewhere for me to see it? | 15:19 |
| fsmithred | paste | 15:20 |
| * jordila re-created GPartitionTable + fat32, 200mb, flagged as esp,boot partition for EFI purposes and re-launches Live installer | 15:22 | |
| fsmithred | ok | 15:22 |
| jordila | ... EFI partiton is not being recognised | 15:24 |
| jordila | how to share the log fsmithred ? | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | look at /var/log/refractainstaller_... | 15:25 |
| fsmithred | paste it someplace like paste.debian.net or email it to me | 15:25 |
| jordila | Maybe as http://pad.ingobernable.net/p/refractainstaller ? | 15:29 |
| fsmithred | what locale are you using? | 15:33 |
| fsmithred | run 'env LC_ALL=C fdisk -l' and see if it shows EFI System | 15:34 |
| jordila | en_US.UT8-8 | 15:34 |
| jordila | ' env: ‘fdisk’: No such file or directory ' | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | then just run 'fdisk -l' | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | without the quotes | 15:36 |
| fsmithred | you need to be root | 15:37 |
| jordila | sure ... se updated : http://pad.ingobernable.net/p/refractainstaller | 15:38 |
| fsmithred | I'll have a fix for you in a minute or two | 15:39 |
| * jordila found a second EFI partition on /dev/sdb2 . Being sdc1 the for installeation target (USB) disk ? | 15:40 | |
| fsmithred | I don't know why your fdisk output looks different. Mine says EFI System and yours says EFI(FAT12/16/32) | 15:41 |
| fsmithred | sed -i 's/EFI System/EFI/g' /usr/bin/refractainstaller-yad | 15:44 |
| fsmithred | yes, use sdc1 if that's the target usb | 15:46 |
| fsmithred | run the sed command I posted and then re-run the installer | 15:47 |
| jordila | ok | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | your fdisk output doesn't contain the test pattern in the code | 15:47 |
| fsmithred | what linux are you running? | 15:47 |
| jordila | ... i'm writing you from a Debian 9 GNU Linux system . | 15:50 |
| * jordila not Debian 9 GNU/Linux but Debian 9 GNU+Linux ? | 15:51 | |
| jordila | ok... now (both)EFI partitions are recognised . Proceeding ... | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | yup. bad test | 15:52 |
| fsmithred | different versions of util-linux. | 15:56 |
| jordila | it copied files to partitions ... and now i'm being, in a graphical interface , being prompted for 'username / passwd' which i haven't been prompted before . Umh | 16:03 |
| fsmithred | right, because you never got that far | 16:04 |
| fsmithred | you'll also get to set a new root password | 16:04 |
| jordila | i' bein prompted for a username and passwd. | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | your choice | 16:05 |
| fsmithred | or keep it user/user if you want | 16:05 |
| jordila | I make my choice.... and i'm not being able to go further . | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | what message you getting? | 16:06 |
| jordila | nor with user/user . Any message is shown. Just username prompt again | 16:06 |
| fsmithred | use TAB to change fields | 16:07 |
| fsmithred | or mouse | 16:07 |
| jordila | there are no fields. Just one box. | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | asking for password? | 16:08 |
| jordila | and a big login text on a nice image , as background ? | 16:08 |
| fsmithred | you rebooted? | 16:08 |
| jordila | asking for username | 16:08 |
| jordila | i didn't | 16:09 |
| jordila | after username, in the same box, i'm being prompted for a password | 16:09 |
| fsmithred | yeah, you should be able to change hostname, user name and password there | 16:10 |
| fsmithred | did you change the user name? | 16:10 |
| jordila | no i didn't | 16:11 |
| man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/3YNKCY0 << if anyone wants to look at something batshit crazy :P | 16:11 |
| jordila | what puzzles me is that this time i was'nt prompted for setting user and rooot usernames/passwds ... as i was in previous iterations ? | 16:12 |
| fsmithred | did you check the box that says "keep the old password"? | 16:12 |
| jordila | don't remember to do so... nor having the chance to ? | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | if you don't want to create a new password, you have to check a box | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | so give it the same password if you want | 16:13 |
| fsmithred | user | 16:13 |
| jordila | i feel like i'm not on the Live Installer application itself... but a big login text on a nice full screen image , as background ? | 16:14 |
| fsmithred | describe the image | 16:15 |
| jordila | violet/cyan coloured ... Devuan logo ... . Big Login text . And a (username) 'prompt' box | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | sounds like you rebooted into devuan | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | login devuan, password devuan | 16:17 |
| fsmithred | not user/user | 16:17 |
| * jordila again was too impatient ... ? | 16:20 | |
| * jordila quitted the 'big login text on a nice full screen image , as background ' stage via Alt-PrtScr REISUB magic keys | 16:20 | |
| fsmithred | ok, so what are you booting into? | 16:20 |
| jordila | i'm trying to boot Devuan from the USB Disk , without success | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | you did get a window that had a button that said "install bootloader"? | 16:21 |
| fsmithred | and you pressed that button? | 16:21 |
| jordila | no | 16:22 |
| fsmithred | no to both? | 16:23 |
| jordila | not to both . | 16:23 |
| jordila | no to both. Sorry for my english . | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | well then, look at the error log again | 16:23 |
| fsmithred | need food. back in a few minutes. | 16:27 |
| Artemis3 | booyah, nice pic. Are we a meme already? Sad... | 16:36 |
| fsmithred | back | 16:48 |
| man_in_shack | forward | 16:48 |
| fsmithred | jordila, are you trying again? | 16:50 |
| _abc_ | Hello. Trying to see some old cds and dvds under ascii. I have a mounted cd which gives a "permission denied" error on directory listing in Nautilus and also on root cli. | 16:53 |
| _abc_ | The mount was done by nautilus. | 16:53 |
| _abc_ | Is this a known problem? Some udf permissions honored in despite of root mount? | 16:53 |
| _abc_ | I can list the dir as root, just not as user. | 16:54 |
| _abc_ | Note xine opens the volume fine. What could be the reason? | 16:55 |
| _abc_ | The mount shows it is mounted with uid=1000,gif=1000 yet it does not work | 16:56 |
| buZz | _abc_: you just said within 1 minute that it -doesnt- work as root, and then that it -only- works as root | 16:56 |
| _abc_ | Inspecting permissions of the mounted media as root shows everything is okay | 16:56 |
| _abc_ | buZz: yes it only works as root, i.e. ls etc | 16:56 |
| _abc_ | Nautilus gives a permission denied although it mounted it and ls etc as user devuan on the same volume mounted gives the same error | 16:57 |
| buZz | wait, so nautilus mounted something with automount? weird, should just work | 16:57 |
| buZz | could you check owner of the actual mountpoint? | 16:57 |
| _abc_ | ls etc as root works. ls -l shows the volume mounted uid=1000,gid=1000 and owned by devuan.devuan, the mount and all files and dirs under it | 16:57 |
| buZz | your username is devuan? :D | 16:57 |
| _abc_ | Sure | 16:57 |
| fsmithred | that's the default in the live isos | 16:58 |
| buZz | ah, its a live iso | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | I just don't understand why xine can see it fine. Is there a special group? | 16:58 |
| man_in_shack | x permissions? | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | buZz: it's a live iso written to hdd but yes same thing | 16:58 |
| buZz | whats xine actually? | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: ? | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | buZz: dvd cd and media player | 16:58 |
| buZz | _abc_: huh? why would you do that instead of just installin | 16:58 |
| buZz | _abc_: i dont get what that means | 16:58 |
| _abc_ | buZz: because refracta works nicely | 16:58 |
| buZz | what does xine have to do with mounted filesystems? | 16:59 |
| _abc_ | buZz: you never watched a dvd on a pc? | 16:59 |
| man_in_shack | http://dpaste.com/ | 16:59 |
| man_in_shack | post the ls -la | 16:59 |
| buZz | _abc_: i dont even have optical drives | 16:59 |
| _abc_ | buZz: it seems to have magical powers and sees the files nautilus fails to see | 16:59 |
| buZz | lol nice, as what user is it running? | 16:59 |
| _abc_ | Is xine normally suid? | 16:59 |
| buZz | or, maybe its not looking at the files , but treating it as raw device? | 16:59 |
| man_in_shack | ^ | 16:59 |
| buZz | you mean a dvdvideo , right? | 17:00 |
| buZz | mplayer etc use libdvd to do that, nothing to do with mounting at all | 17:00 |
| _abc_ | Then there has got to be some magical group which permits this to any other program too? | 17:00 |
| _abc_ | Normally user mode programs do not do anything wit devices, there are helpers for that | 17:00 |
| buZz | yes, like libdvd etc | 17:00 |
| * man_in_shack stares at _abc_ | 17:01 | |
| buZz | which mediaplayers use for 'dvd' | 17:01 |
| man_in_shack | libdvdread, libdvdnav, libdvdcss | 17:01 |
| _abc_ | The helper in this case is udisksd | 17:01 |
| man_in_shack | in particular libdvdcss | 17:01 |
| _abc_ | I do not have libdvdcss | 17:01 |
| * man_in_shack flails | 17:01 | |
| man_in_shack | have fun with this buZz | 17:02 |
| _abc_ | ? | 17:02 |
| buZz | _abc_: could you try a normal cd? a non-movie dvd | 17:02 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: it's 2am here and you're not giving enough info for what you're trying to do | 17:02 |
| _abc_ | Other cds and dvds work fine but this is mounted udf | 17:02 |
| _abc_ | I played a different dvd before it works | 17:03 |
| buZz | udf? | 17:03 |
| buZz | its a osx filesystem cd? | 17:03 |
| _abc_ | Mount type says udf on this | 17:03 |
| _abc_ | No | 17:03 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: udf is the dvd defacto standard | 17:03 |
| man_in_shack | not osx | 17:03 |
| buZz | ah right | 17:03 |
| buZz | _abc_: is the session closed on that udf disc? :) | 17:03 |
| _abc_ | Yes. | 17:04 |
| * buZz gets flashbacks from burning cds in 1996 | 17:04 | |
| buZz | well, its just 1 disc | 17:04 |
| _abc_ | This has nothing to do with format, the disk is ~10 years old and works | 17:04 |
| _abc_ | Yes but it is an important one. | 17:04 |
| man_in_shack | speaking of 1996, _abc_ is using goddamn XINE | 17:04 |
| buZz | ok | 17:04 |
| buZz | then mount it by hand | 17:04 |
| * telst4r inserts a coin into buzz' disc player | 17:04 | |
| buZz | telst4r: i just said i have none :P | 17:04 |
| _abc_ | I would like to understand why Nautilus does not honor kernel permissions displayed on a mounted udf volume at this point | 17:05 |
| * man_in_shack continues flailing | 17:05 | |
| _abc_ | I could mount it by hand but the outcome will be the same | 17:05 |
| buZz | maybe ask in #nautilus then | 17:05 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_ is hurting my brain | 17:05 |
| buZz | _abc_: i ment as root | 17:05 |
| _abc_ | This is a devuan problem. Or debian too, I don't know. | 17:05 |
| man_in_shack | and i've spent the week setting up a dvd/bluray ripping system | 17:05 |
| buZz | like how you normally mounted something before this automount hipness | 17:05 |
| _abc_ | buZz: as root I can see the files, that is not the problem. | 17:05 |
| buZz | then you have the data | 17:05 |
| buZz | all good? | 17:05 |
| _abc_ | Even if automounted | 17:05 |
| _abc_ | buZz: no, I would like to see the files in Nautilus if possible | 17:06 |
| man_in_shack | why? | 17:06 |
| man_in_shack | is it a dvdvideo or not? | 17:06 |
| _abc_ | I just wanna. Are you serious? | 17:06 |
| man_in_shack | <man_in_shack> http://dpaste.com/ | 17:06 |
| man_in_shack | <man_in_shack> post the ls -la | 17:06 |
| _abc_ | The permissions are stumping me. The mount is as guid= uid= user devuan (1000), and it still does not work. what is not honoring the permissions?! | 17:06 |
| _abc_ | ls -la of what? | 17:07 |
| man_in_shack | guess | 17:07 |
| buZz | of the mountpoint | 17:07 |
| _abc_ | Right, you lost me. | 17:07 |
| * man_in_shack not sure if typos or trolling | 17:07 | |
| buZz | so, not inside the mount | 17:07 |
| _abc_ | ls -la /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME :: ls: cannot open directory '/media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME': Permission denied | 17:07 |
| buZz | yes, not that | 17:08 |
| buZz | cd /media/devian ; ls -la | 17:08 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: or ls -ld /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME in that case | 17:08 |
| _abc_ | sudo ls -la /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME :: d--x--x--- 3 devuan devuan 88 Nov 16 2005 . \n drwxr-x---+ 4 root root 4096 Oct 13 17:51 .. \n dr-xr-xr-x 2 devuan devuan 560 Nov 16 2005 VIDEO_TS | 17:08 |
| * man_in_shack glares at _abc_ | 17:08 | |
| buZz | d--x--x--- <----- | 17:08 |
| man_in_shack | yah | 17:08 |
| _abc_ | So the automount script screwed up? | 17:09 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, what desktop, what display manager and what *kits are installed? | 17:09 |
| man_in_shack | in other words: everything is "honouring" the permissions correctly | 17:09 |
| man_in_shack | fix your damn permissions already | 17:09 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: kits? I have ordinary desktop, fvwm4 from ascii live, nautilus, nothing changed in system settings | 17:10 |
| buZz | sudo chmod a+rx /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME | 17:10 |
| _abc_ | It was installed with refracta from a live system | 17:10 |
| _abc_ | buZz: that ends in read only fs | 17:10 |
| buZz | fsmithred: its a live iso he copied to hdd | 17:10 |
| buZz | _abc_: nope | 17:10 |
| _abc_ | buZz: no, not copied, refracta installed | 17:11 |
| buZz | _abc_: a) dvds are already readonly | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | which iso? refracta iso, devuan iso? | 17:11 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: devuan ascii iso | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | did you remove xfce? | 17:11 |
| buZz | _abc_: and b) that just changes the permissions on the mount | 17:11 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: no | 17:11 |
| fsmithred | still using slim login manager? | 17:11 |
| _abc_ | buZz: I tried it, it results in what I said. The mount point's permission cannot be changed after mounting | 17:11 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: yes | 17:12 |
| _abc_ | the syslog mount message is: devuan udisksd[2438]: Mounted /dev/sr0 at /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME on behalf of uid 1000 | 17:13 |
| _abc_ | udiskd uses some script in user land or not? | 17:13 |
| _abc_ | Also is the mount point created by the kernel or by the user/devuan daemon set | 17:13 |
| buZz | probably in userland yes, udiskd isnt a kernel component | 17:14 |
| _abc_ | The mount does not set umask= option on the volume, that's all I can see | 17:14 |
| _abc_ | Trying to remount with umask= option | 17:15 |
| _abc_ | sudo mount -o ro,nosuid,nodev,relatime,uid=1000,gid=1000,iocharset=utf8,uhelper=udisks2,umask=000 /dev/sr0 /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME :: result: the umask= option is not honored | 17:18 |
| _abc_ | What the. | 17:19 |
| _abc_ | After the mount above, mount -a results in a line with all options excepting the umask one | 17:19 |
| _abc_ | Is there a known bug in mount as shipped with devuan ascii? | 17:19 |
| man_in_shack | won't be in mount | 17:20 |
| man_in_shack | mount just passes flags to the kernel modules | 17:20 |
| man_in_shack | something else is fucking with the permissions | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | mounting without option uhelper= has the same outcome | 17:21 |
| man_in_shack | possibly udisks | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | There's nothing in dmesg or syslog | 17:21 |
| man_in_shack | man mount, check options for udf | 17:21 |
| man_in_shack | see if you can force permissions | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | I did. umask is supported | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | In the manpage at least | 17:21 |
| man_in_shack | umask also doesn't do what you think | 17:21 |
| _abc_ | I think it does what I think but maybe you can tell me? | 17:22 |
| man_in_shack | sets permissions to mask out | 17:22 |
| man_in_shack | doesn't change permissions of the files | 17:22 |
| man_in_shack | try unhide, or session options | 17:23 |
| _abc_ | nostrict,unhide did not help | 17:25 |
| man_in_shack | is it a physical disc? | 17:26 |
| _abc_ | mount -t udf -o ro /dev/sr0 /media/devuan/SONATA_VOLUME/ -> same outcome, even root can't ls then. It is mounted 111 and nobody.nobody | 17:28 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: yes of course | 17:28 |
| _abc_ | Something is very wrong. I would like to say it's just mount which gets confused but it is not that. | 17:28 |
| buZz | _abc_: did you delete the SONATA_VOLUME dir in /media/devuan after umounting? | 17:28 |
| buZz | and remake? | 17:28 |
| _abc_ | buZz: I did yes. Why. Also re-created it, and played with options on it too | 17:29 |
| man_in_shack | have you played around with session option? | 17:30 |
| buZz | so you didnt remake it with --x--x--- like before, but doing the mount changed it to that? | 17:30 |
| buZz | or you forgot to look | 17:30 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: i expect the mount will change it to that | 17:30 |
| buZz | man_in_shack: you ever seen something get mounted like that? | 17:30 |
| _abc_ | I remade it with 777 and it still gets downgraded to 111 on mount | 17:31 |
| buZz | --x--x--- isnt 111, fyi | 17:31 |
| _abc_ | Sure just saying. | 17:31 |
| buZz | so, it changed? from 110 to 111? | 17:31 |
| _abc_ | 110 etc | 17:31 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: only when the filesystem itself has fucked up permissions | 17:31 |
| _abc_ | buZz: no, it changed from 777 to 110 | 17:31 |
| buZz | _abc_: then why did you say 111? | 17:31 |
| _abc_ | typo. You are really picky. Been typing commands here while you are chatting. | 17:32 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: any ideas on what portion of the dvd headers would be helpful to debug this? Or how to get at them? | 17:32 |
| _abc_ | I assume it is that. No? | 17:32 |
| man_in_shack | try: apt install udfclient | 17:33 |
| man_in_shack | cd_disect, cd_sessions programs | 17:33 |
| man_in_shack | and udfdump | 17:34 |
| fsmithred | _abc_, I was afk. I don't know. I would normally use pmount to bypass all the polkit stuff. | 17:34 |
| _abc_ | I'll take some notes on this and do it some other day. I need to know what I am really looking for. Also I'll try another dvd to see if it's headers or whatever. I'll try that now. | 17:34 |
| _abc_ | pmount is what? New to me? | 17:34 |
| _abc_ | Is this mess generated by polkit?! | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | lets user mount removable drives | 17:35 |
| buZz | pmount/stable 0.9.23-3+b2 amd64 | 17:35 |
| buZz | mount removable devices as normal user | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | yes, I suspect a polkit issue | 17:35 |
| buZz | replacement for automount/udiskd i guess | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | on general principle | 17:35 |
| fsmithred | probably some desktop stuff is not running, since you're just using a wm | 17:36 |
| _abc_ | Does it collide with polkit? If I try to install it, will it bump polkit? | 17:37 |
| man_in_shack | no | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | fsmithred: why should it not be running? | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | So I got a backup dvd with knoppix on it and it mounts fine. | 17:37 |
| fsmithred | why should what not be running? | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | Trying another original media/dvd one in a few | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | 18:37 < fsmithred> probably some desktop stuff is not running, since you're | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | just using a wm | 17:37 |
| _abc_ | Loading a dvd, unprotected one | 17:39 |
| _abc_ | And yes I can mount it. | 17:39 |
| _abc_ | So that was a snafu or a copy protection crap thing. | 17:39 |
| fsmithred | maybe not - I don't see any candidates in what my jessie xfce is running | 17:39 |
| _abc_ | The dvd which refused to mount was commercially made, it is a copy of a dvd with an interview of a family member of mine, so we have copyrights and all. | 17:39 |
| _abc_ | It is possible that the turds at the copying house set some flags to make it copy protected / rip protected, but I don't see why. | 17:40 |
| _abc_ | Paid good money for it too. | 17:40 |
| _abc_ | I paid. | 17:40 |
| _abc_ | Probably muppets running the automated machine chain. | 17:40 |
| man_in_shack | install udfclient and check cd_sessions | 17:41 |
| _abc_ | I've never seen anything like this so far. I am sure it is a copy protection scheme now, commercial dvd mounts fine under nautilus, can see files. | 17:41 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: I will do that some other time, now I know there is no bug to search for, although poisoning the system with copy procraption things may have other security implications. If it can inject this kind of flags, what else can be injected?! | 17:42 |
| man_in_shack | quit bitching about things you don't understand | 17:42 |
| _abc_ | Yes, sir. I will use the hammer method quietly. | 17:43 |
| _abc_ | udfclient has no manpage? Do I need udfclient-doc ? | 17:43 |
| * man_in_shack stares at _abc_ | 17:43 | |
| man_in_shack | dpkg -L udfclient | grep /bin | 17:43 |
| djph | man_in_shack: the old "laser is dirty" protection scheme? | 17:44 |
| _abc_ | udfclient /dev/sr0 on the good dvd spits out a lot of data. What am I looking for. | 17:44 |
| _abc_ | integrity \n marked closed? | 17:45 |
| man_in_shack | this isn't a copy protection thing. it's either a session that never got closed properly or some other mastering error | 17:45 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: fucked if i know. i've never used it | 17:45 |
| _abc_ | lol. Good one. | 17:45 |
| man_in_shack | but there is a tool called cd_sessions in there | 17:45 |
| man_in_shack | so check to see if it's a multisession disc | 17:46 |
| man_in_shack | and if it is, mount a later session | 17:46 |
| buZz | _abc_: why not use a dvdripping software for that video clip? | 17:46 |
| buZz | like dvd::rip | 17:46 |
| man_in_shack | cos the iso9660/udf modules only mount session 0 by default | 17:46 |
| man_in_shack | iirc | 17:46 |
| buZz | dvd::rip would show all sessions in one interface, i think | 17:46 |
| _abc_ | I don't need to rip it, it is already ripped/copied. I need the cretin copy to be readable under normal user id | 17:47 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: or dvdbackup which is what i'm using on my box | 17:47 |
| buZz | cretin? | 17:48 |
| man_in_shack | cretin == asshole | 17:48 |
| buZz | gee > a stupid, obtuse, or mentally defective person. | 17:48 |
| buZz | why not burn a new copy of the data you have ;) | 17:48 |
| _abc_ | The data is on the disk. Can you please stop this. | 17:49 |
| _abc_ | Ok the faulty disk has roughly the same data as the good one. | 17:49 |
| _abc_ | Session is closed | 17:49 |
| * man_in_shack flails | 17:49 | |
| man_in_shack | have you checked for multisession yet? | 17:50 |
| _abc_ | The dvd internal root permissions are drwxrwxrwx for both the good and the bad disk | 17:50 |
| _abc_ | There is only one session | 17:50 |
| _abc_ | On both | 17:50 |
| man_in_shack | ok crazy idea | 17:52 |
| man_in_shack | does it mount as iso9660? | 17:52 |
| _abc_ | I can try | 17:53 |
| _abc_ | It does. And with normal permissions. | 17:54 |
| _abc_ | I am stumped by this. Completely stumped. | 17:54 |
| man_in_shack | buggy udf master | 17:54 |
| man_in_shack | you said the disc is 10 years old? | 17:54 |
| _abc_ | Yes but the good one is 10yo too | 17:55 |
| man_in_shack | yah | 17:55 |
| _abc_ | I'd call it copy protection. More worrying is, what exactly is fubar'd in the kernel | 17:55 |
| man_in_shack | i'm gonna take a guess that it was mastered with a buggy version of nero | 17:56 |
| _abc_ | No, it was mastered with a copy machine, vhs to dvd | 17:56 |
| _abc_ | In a shop. | 17:56 |
| _abc_ | SONATA is one name it has. | 17:56 |
| jordila | fsmithred you already mentioned it ... 'a window that had a button that said "install bootloader"? , i missed it in the previous iteration . Now i got it and installed it . When rebooting onto installed Devuan i'm being prompted at 'grub> ' . What am i missing ? | 17:57 |
| man_in_shack | well that pos has a buggy firmware or something then | 17:57 |
| fsmithred | jordila, for some reason, it sounds like update-grub did not run | 17:57 |
| _abc_ | And it's a SONY machine, and this guy had this exact same problem years ago: skip to SONATA therein, on a Mac https://www.ecoustics.com/electronics/forum/home-video/199149.html | 17:57 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: ^ | 17:57 |
| man_in_shack | hahahaha sony | 17:58 |
| _abc_ | In any case, SONY is well known for adding free rootkits to their media | 17:58 |
| man_in_shack | yah | 17:58 |
| fsmithred | jordila, do you know your way around grub command line? | 17:58 |
| _abc_ | So I am not surprized if a little poison from there leaked into their firmware | 17:58 |
| man_in_shack | it's not affecting your kernel though | 17:58 |
| _abc_ | How would we cure the kernel from such poison, that is the question | 17:58 |
| man_in_shack | you could try cdemu | 17:59 |
| _abc_ | There is NO way the umask= option to udf should be ignored at any time no matter what, especially when run by root | 17:59 |
| man_in_shack | but that's really overkill | 17:59 |
| jordila | fsmithred ... no to so used to, is never to late i guess fsmithred ? | 17:59 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: it's not being ignored | 17:59 |
| fsmithred | ok, let's go to pm | 17:59 |
| _abc_ | No, at this point I need to know what other failures the sony rootkits/protections can induce. | 17:59 |
| man_in_shack | something about the way the disc is mastered, it has no read permission on root of the disc | 17:59 |
| man_in_shack | there's no way to fix that without recreating the filesystem | 18:01 |
| man_in_shack | or you can bypass the udf thing entirely and just mount it as iso9660 | 18:01 |
| man_in_shack | which doesn't have a permissions system to fuck up | 18:01 |
| _abc_ | I just did yes. That is not the problem anymore, I want to know what other poison can be fiddled into the system by playing a dvd from the shops! | 18:02 |
| * man_in_shack gives up | 18:02 | |
| man_in_shack | you're not listening | 18:02 |
| man_in_shack | and it's now fucking 3am | 18:02 |
| _abc_ | You realize that people play dvds on their systems all the time. Also 10 years ago we were at 3.x kernels and now it's 4.9+ and it still possible to screw it. This is a serious bug. | 18:02 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: It's just 7pm here. | 18:02 |
| _abc_ | I am listening, thanks to all who tried to help, I know much more now. | 18:03 |
| man_in_shack | 1) this is not a kernel bug. it's a "bug" in your particular udf filesystem instance | 18:03 |
| _abc_ | That is a kernel bug! udf is a kernel subsystem, or module. | 18:03 |
| man_in_shack | 2) dvd playing software doesn't need to mount the fucking disc at all | 18:03 |
| man_in_shack | NO | 18:03 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: I am aware they use raw access yes. | 18:04 |
| man_in_shack | it's not a udf bug, it's your disc fucking around with permissions | 18:04 |
| man_in_shack | it's a bug in the INSTANCE, not in the driver | 18:04 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: in any case, umask= MUST override anything coming from the disk. | 18:04 |
| Human_G33k | KatolaZ, there is somewhere a road map for devuan (something like issues on the gitlab) ? | 18:04 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: that's not how umask works | 18:04 |
| _abc_ | Or should there be a perm= option to mount to force the mount point perms | 18:04 |
| _abc_ | Sounds like a valid feature request to me? | 18:04 |
| man_in_shack | that would be a security hazard | 18:04 |
| _abc_ | Why? | 18:04 |
| man_in_shack | think about it | 18:05 |
| man_in_shack | udf has a permissions system built in | 18:05 |
| _abc_ | Only root can mount normally, and it is totally unacceptable for media to override the mount options of the host | 18:05 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: and? | 18:05 |
| man_in_shack | "mount normally" | 18:05 |
| man_in_shack | keep. your. story. straight | 18:05 |
| _abc_ | So far udf is the only fs I've seen that has the gall to override system mount options as root, with no recourse! | 18:06 |
| man_in_shack | it's not overriding mount options | 18:06 |
| man_in_shack | the mount options are working entirely as expected | 18:06 |
| _abc_ | This is not reasonable. Maybe we can talk about this some other time? | 18:06 |
| _abc_ | Forcing a read-anything option is available on several fs's | 18:07 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: on filesystems that don't have proper permission systems | 18:07 |
| _abc_ | mount has the general option x-mount.mkdir[=mode] for all fs's | 18:09 |
| _abc_ | The perms default to 755. Clearly this is not honored. | 18:10 |
| _abc_ | Note that the faulty disk, when mounted by root, mounts as nobody.nogroup and is NOT ls-able by root! | 18:10 |
| _abc_ | When mounted with uid= gid= non root, then root can ls etc | 18:10 |
| man_in_shack | x-mount.mkdir allows mount to mkdir a mountpount that doesn't already exist | 18:12 |
| man_in_shack | once a filesystem is mounted over that directory, it adopts the permissions of the FILESYSTEM, not the mkdir | 18:13 |
| man_in_shack | once again, EVEN IF YOU USED THAT OPTION, it would behave exactly the same, and still be working exactly as expected | 18:13 |
| _abc_ | Well then there will have to be a force-mode= option for udf mounts which does what the mode= does for iso9660. This is ridiculous. Any ext2 ext4 whatever with strange permissions can be mounted and manipulated as needed and viewed by root. What now, write to Sony for permission to read your own files? Seriously. | 18:15 |
| _abc_ | brb | 18:15 |
| _abc_ | Fortunately the uid= gid= hack permits root to read the files. | 18:16 |
| man_in_shack | yah i do concede that root not getting access to nobody.nogroup files is weird | 18:16 |
| man_in_shack | but the proper workaround in this case appears to be to mount it as iso9660 instead of udf | 18:17 |
| buZz | is the /media/devuan folder itself --x--x--- ? | 18:17 |
| buZz | _abc_: 'playing dvd movies' does not require mounting them, fyi | 18:17 |
| _abc_ | buZz: no, it is 750 | 18:18 |
| man_in_shack | ... | 18:18 |
| _abc_ | buZz: indeed, and DRM scum has no business being on open systems. | 18:18 |
| man_in_shack | ok, and devuan:devuan too | 18:18 |
| man_in_shack | THIS IS NOT DRM | 18:18 |
| buZz | ok? i dont see the point :P | 18:18 |
| man_in_shack | HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES? | 18:18 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: no, it is root.root; but mount dirs created in it by the mount system are devuan.devuan and 777 | 18:19 |
| _abc_ | It's a side effect of defaults baked into sony hardware viruses | 18:19 |
| man_in_shack | that sounds very, VERY broken to me | 18:19 |
| buZz | i never used any automounting | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | It's the way devuan works, I did not make it that way. | 18:20 |
| buZz | guess i'm missing nothing ;) | 18:20 |
| * man_in_shack agrees with buZz | 18:20 | |
| _abc_ | buZz: clicked on a device/disk icon in nautilus? | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | bbl | 18:20 |
| man_in_shack | i gotta put up with gvfs/gio mount on my main box | 18:20 |
| buZz | i dont use nautilus either | 18:20 |
| man_in_shack | my dvdbox, everything is manual | 18:20 |
| buZz | i just open a terminal, mount by hand, easy pz | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | buZz: your input device is a morse key, and the screen is a single led? | 18:20 |
| _abc_ | bbl | 18:20 |
| buZz | sure, insult me all you want | 18:21 |
| buZz | that'll get you help | 18:21 |
| man_in_shack | and i just answered 2 questions over in #weechat | 18:21 |
| man_in_shack | i'd seriously just dvdbackup that thing and burn it to a new disc | 18:22 |
| man_in_shack | i'm guessing that sonata device doesn't press dvds, just burn them to dvd-rs | 18:22 |
| man_in_shack | in which case, just replace the fucking dvd-r with one that has a filesystem that's not broken | 18:23 |
| buZz | which sonata though? this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonata_Software | 18:23 |
| man_in_shack | buZz: apparently a sony thing | 18:23 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_ described it as a vhs-to-dvd device | 18:24 |
| buZz | ah hehe > I can confirm that a SONATA file can be copied. I am an attorney, and I recently recieved such a file on a DVD that is an evidence video taken from a DUI stop by a police “in-car A/V recorder.” | 18:24 |
| man_in_shack | and also pointed out that someone else who had used the same thing reported the same problem | 18:24 |
| man_in_shack | that feel when a goddamn lawyer has more technical proficiency than someone using devuan | 18:25 |
| buZz | :P | 18:25 |
| buZz | it takes all kinds man_in_shack ;) | 18:25 |
| man_in_shack | it sure does | 18:25 |
| man_in_shack | now, who wants to write an ata/atapi backstore for lio iscsi for me? | 18:26 |
| man_in_shack | _abc_: you up for it? | 18:26 |
| buZz | rofl | 18:26 |
| man_in_shack | basically i just need TYPE_ROM supported by iscsi/iblock | 18:32 |
| _abc_ | re. I ate fish and am much smarter now. Beware. Kidding. | 18:33 |
| man_in_shack | alternatively need vblade and/or aoe to support cdroms | 18:33 |
| buZz | age of empires? | 18:34 |
| man_in_shack | ata over ethernet | 18:34 |
| _abc_ | man_in_shack: not really, my kernel hacking days, drivers mostly, are back in the 20th century. | 18:34 |
| man_in_shack | do it anyway | 18:35 |
| _abc_ | Although I took usblp.c / .ko to hand just the other day, to make it do something I need. | 18:35 |
| _abc_ | Does anyone here know something about ieee1284 negotiation? On the printer side firmware? | 18:36 |
| _abc_ | Just fyi the pos that wrote that dvd looks like this https://www.amazon.com/Sony-RDRGX315-DVD-Recorder/dp/B000A2JXFQ | 18:38 |
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