| definite | Should I install Devuan Unstable for general-purpose use? | 00:21 |
|---|---|---|
| gnarface | definite: no | 00:24 |
| definite | gnarface: So testing then? Is Devuan stable akin to Debian stable? | 00:25 |
| jaromil | use stable or if you really dare testing. yes, versions are akin across devuan/debian | 00:25 |
| gnarface | i would actually more strongly advice against testing | 00:25 |
| gnarface | i would say use stable unless there's a good reason not to. use unstable if your good reason is "Steam and Wine and NVidia hardware" and otherwise only use testing if you're ... testing | 00:26 |
| jaromil | i use testing with windowmaker and no DM, works well. I need it for GCC 8 (currently at 8.2) | 00:26 |
| golinux | definite: If you use a DE you should probably wait a while. | 00:26 |
| definite | If I'm just writing code in Emacs with Stumpwm as my window manager, I should be fine with stable? | 00:26 |
| gnarface | yea | 00:27 |
| definite | Awesome, thanks. | 00:27 |
| gnarface | if you have a recent model NVidia card you might want to grab the driver from backports but otherwise stable is good | 00:27 |
| gnarface | make sure NOT to use the shell script installer from nvidia.com | 00:27 |
| gnarface | backports also has newer kenel, mesa, etc | 00:28 |
| gnarface | there's very few reasons to go to unstable unless you're trying out bleeding edge wine builds | 00:28 |
| definite | What's the difference between the CD iso's and the DVD iso? | 00:30 |
| gnarface | how much stuff you can install from it without a network connection | 00:31 |
| fsmithred | dvd has more packages on it. In either case, you're better off choosing a mirror. | 00:31 |
| gnarface | yea, use the net installer unless you're going out to sea or something... | 00:32 |
| definite | fsmithred gnarface: So netinst? Got it. | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | dvd install without network leaves you missing a few packages, and CD install without network leaves you without a lot of packages. | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | even some that are on the media but don't get installed. | 00:33 |
| definite | Thanks for the help. | 00:33 |
| definite | fsmithred: Wait, what? Why? | 00:33 |
| fsmithred | I don't know. | 00:34 |
| fsmithred | has to do with the way debian-installer works | 00:34 |
| gnarface | definite: yes, netinst. make sure you get the right one re: i386 or amd64 | 00:34 |
| Psud0nym | evening gnarface | 02:29 |
| gnarface | yo | 02:30 |
| Psud0nym | there is a separate library to build in addition to elementary | 02:30 |
| gnarface | a second one, or the one you mentioned yesterday? | 02:30 |
| gnarface | i did see you mention it, after i came back from dinner | 02:31 |
| Psud0nym | I working on packaging the library. efl library is | 02:31 |
| Psud0nym | but there is some family stuff going on, so not a lot of work on it today | 02:31 |
| gnarface | so it didn't end up being picky about matching those efl versions together with the new library? | 02:32 |
| Psud0nym | I'm working with the git repo for both. there are separate apps in addition to elementary now. https://www.enlightenment.org/download has a link to all the latest tarballs | 02:37 |
| Psud0nym | but the build instructions seem pretty much complete. | 02:42 |
| Psud0nym | dependencies and everything are listed | 02:43 |
| Psud0nym | it even has a matrix of binary packages by distribution. Debian seems o top out at 17.6 | 02:44 |
| Psud0nym | but i'm calling it a night. | 02:45 |
| Vajb | good morning. Newbie did it again. I purged xfce4 and and lost some functionality. Now I have to startx manually and user is not allowed to mount usb thumb drives. So where are those settings kept? | 05:38 |
| Vajb | Forgot to mention that I installed mate desktop and it still has xfce4-powermanager. | 05:43 |
| gnarface | it could be you forgot to re-add slim or libpolkit-somethingoranother | 06:07 |
| gnarface | (could be lxdm or a few others instead of slim, too) | 06:07 |
| gnarface | lxdm/lxde? | 06:08 |
| gnarface | lightdm mabye it's called | 06:08 |
| gnarface | depending on what you mean by "user is not allowed to mount usb thumb drives" exactly, you could also be missing udisks2 | 06:08 |
| golinux | Vajb: Read the release notes. | 06:10 |
| mcr1 | would the admins of packages.devuan.org consider setting: net.ipv4.tcp_mtu_probing=2 that would enable in-band PLMTUD, rather than depending upon ICMP frag needed to get to you. | 07:26 |
| Vajb | I missed slim. Installing it seems to have solved both of my problems. Thanks gnarface and golinux | 07:27 |
| golinux | Vajb: Glad it worked out | 08:29 |
| Centurion_Dan | mcr1: no... don't use packages.devuan.org - use deb.mirror.org | 08:44 |
| Centurion_Dan | or for mirrors pkgmaster.devuan.org | 08:44 |
| mcr1 | uhm. okay. the names keep changing. | 08:55 |
| mcr1 | does deb.mirror.org have PLMTUD enabled? | 08:55 |
| mcr1 | what about http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged ?? | 08:58 |
| mcr1 | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-updates main | 08:58 |
| mcr1 | deb http://auto.mirror.devuan.org/merged jessie-security main | 08:58 |
| golinux | deb.mirror.org? Not deb.devuan.org? | 09:01 |
| golinux | Note that I am very tired and ready for bed. | 09:02 |
| Vajb | btw does someone use eduroam? I tried yesterday, but provided script failed. | 09:11 |
| system16 | my server is accessible on lan but it cant access the internet why ? | 09:12 |
| system16 | pinging google.com times out | 09:12 |
| system16 | OH | 09:28 |
| system16 | i can ping 8.8.8.8 | 09:29 |
| KatolaZ | system16: your resolv.conf? | 10:31 |
| system16 | yes | 10:31 |
| system16 | i fixed it | 10:32 |
| system16 | thanks | 10:32 |
| KatolaZ | np | 10:32 |
| system16 | the nameserver was 192.168.1.1 i changed it to 77.77.77.77 | 10:32 |
| system16 | and now everything works perfectly | 10:32 |
| system16 | KatolaZ, btw i have been told that daemons change this file alot | 10:37 |
| system16 | is this true ? | 10:37 |
| system16 | i have restarted my server. it still works normally | 10:37 |
| Leander | if you use a dhcp client, it will typically modify your resolv.conf | 10:38 |
| system16 | no | 10:38 |
| system16 | its static | 10:38 |
| system16 | its set to 192.168.0.107 | 10:38 |
| Leander | then it should be fine | 10:38 |
| * system16 wonders wth is a daemon | 10:38 | |
| KatolaZ | daemons own your computer | 10:39 |
| KatolaZ | :P | 10:39 |
| system16 | well looks like they are lazy af | 10:40 |
| KatolaZ | system16: daemons do whatever they like | 10:41 |
| Leander | there are a few daemons that can modify your resolv.conf, but you'd have to install them first | 10:42 |
| system16 | lol i knever knew cmd can ssh into a server | 10:42 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 10:43 |
| system16 | installing cygwin was a waste of time | 10:43 |
| Leander | I didn't follow what windows 10 supports exactly on the command line, but cygwin might still prove relevant if you want to run a lot of different *nix tools on your windows machine rather than on the server | 10:46 |
| system16 | nah i just want to use ssh. (because my server is in my basement) | 10:47 |
| Leander | another solution would have been to use putty | 10:48 |
| system16 | cmd works just fine | 10:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | system16: a daemon basicaly is a process started usually by boot time with root permissions (system) that has no UI of any sort but runs "invisibly" in background to accomplish services to the system | 11:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take this definition with a grain of salt, it often doesn't apply 100% but should give you an idea | 11:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !wiki daemon | 11:06 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon (URL), Wikipedia explains: " {{wiktionary|daemon|demon|demonic|dæmon|δαίμων}} A 'demon' is a malevolent being in mythology or occultism. 'Demon' or 'daemon' also may refer to: {{TOC right}} * Daemon (classical mythology), a good or benevolent nature spirit in classical Greek mythology * Unclean spirit, agent of a demonic possession * "Demon" (novel), by John Varley * "Demon" (poem), by Mikhail Lermontov * ... | 11:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | !wiki Daemon_(computing) | 11:07 |
| infobot | At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daemon_(computing) (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{morefootnotes|date=June 2018}} {{broader|Server (computing){{!}}Server}} desktop environments which are daemons include D-Bus, NetworkManager (here called "unetwork"), PulseAudio ("usound"), and Avahi.]] In multitasking computer operating systems, a 'daemon' ({{IPAc-en|ˈ|d|iː|m|ən}} or {{IPAc-en|ˈ|d|eɪ|m|ən}}){{Cite ... | 11:07 |
| system16 | thanks DocScrutinizer05 | 11:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 11:48 |
| James1138 | Question. Will it hurt Devuan if I purge Debconf il8n? I do not think I will ever need international support. Are there any other files related to international support? | 17:55 |
| fsmithred | James1138, there are lots of files for international support. You can find and remove them with bleachbit | 18:22 |
| James1138 | oh.... I use bleachbit but debconf.i18n still is there. | 18:25 |
| fsmithred | I don't know what to tell you | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | if it's a package, you should be able to remove it | 18:26 |
| James1138 | If it is too risky - I can leave debconf.i18n where it is. I just wondered if I needed it or not. | 18:26 |
| fsmithred | I just checked, and it does not want to remove anything else with it. | 18:27 |
| James1138 | I did not know if any other packages or programs rely on it. | 18:27 |
| James1138 | Thanks | 18:27 |
| James1138 | Thax fsmithred | 18:27 |
| fsmithred | aptitude -s purge debconf-i18n | 18:28 |
| James1138 | I use synaptic by choice. | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | -s means simulate (tell me what you would do) | 18:28 |
| fsmithred | I assume there's a way to do the same with synaptic. Been years since I've used it. | 18:28 |
| James1138 | Yes. Synaptic gives option of complete removal in addition to standard removal | 18:29 |
| James1138 | General question... are the people on this chat actually working on the Devuan project? I get better and faster answers here then on 2 combined Facebook pages! Good stuff. | 18:39 |
| fsmithred | wtf? Facebook for answers? | 18:40 |
| furrywolf | I think you find better answers anywhere that's not facebook, for anything, ever. | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | and yes, some of the devs hang out here and answer questions | 18:41 |
| James1138 | I know... <bowing head in shame> I joined awhile back before finding this chat room | 18:41 |
| fsmithred | we have a special set of fake answers for facebook. (j/k) | 18:42 |
| fsmithred | James1138, you know there's also a forum and a mailing list? | 18:45 |
| James1138 | Well although in my 50's... I am getting better in my choices related to computers. Left Windows for good... then found Ubuntu... dumped Ubuntu and came to Devuan the moment I heard all of you dumped Systemd. Not regretted the decision! Thanks again. | 18:46 |
| James1138 | Forum? Mailing list? | 18:47 |
| fsmithred | dev1galaxy.org | 18:49 |
| James1138 | Heck... I may as well dump the 2 facebook groups and join those!! | 18:49 |
| fsmithred | dng mailing list: https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/mindex/dng@20380101.000000.00000000.en.html | 18:50 |
| furrywolf | I don't use facebook. that's my suggestion for everyone. | 18:50 |
| fsmithred | I use fb occasionally, but what I have to do is like preparing for surgery | 18:50 |
| James1138 | <chuckle> | 18:51 |
| Centurion_Dan | I've a facebook account but it ony gets visited about once every 3 months... | 21:49 |
| MinceR | i don't have any facebook accounts | 21:50 |
| Centurion_Dan | I left that echo chamber of blue twitts a while ago, moved to gab.ai instead. | 21:51 |
| unixman | Heh, I tried to create a Facebook account last month for a game so I could move it to another device. That was the only way the game had set up to transfer from one device to another. Facebook login worked for exactly one session, then they locked my access. Fark 'em, I says. :P | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Computrace.LoJack->LoJax :-o | 22:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | one more reason to hate UEFI | 22:12 |
| FlibberTGibbet | is that the new exploit in the news, DocScrutinizer05 | 22:38 |
| FlibberTGibbet | ? | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup | 22:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, it seems it's not THAT new, but starts to leak from "commercial" (NSA, Mossad, whatever) to mere rogue/Spammer channels | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | AIUI | 22:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's BIOS-based, so once your PC got infected, good luck cleaning it | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a prerequisite for virus cleaners is boting from clean media into a clean untainted system | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | booting even | 22:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess I have to revive my Amiga1000 with kickstart floppy ;-D | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply find a MoBo with BIOS write protect jumper | 22:44 |
| FlibberTGibbet | ugh | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LoJack_for_Laptops | 23:17 |
| underd0g | sup guys | 23:42 |
| underd0g | dunno is this propper channel | 23:42 |
| underd0g | I done some weird magic to my resolv.conf | 23:43 |
| underd0g | twas more than two years ago and for the life of me , can't remeber what I did | 23:43 |
| underd0g | now I can't change my DNS | 23:44 |
| gnarface | the file format is very simple, but if you're running a dhcp client it will get overwritten by the dhcp server settings (even if they're wrong) | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also your *own* DNS is unrelated to resolv.conf I guess, no? | 23:47 |
| underd0g | yup | 23:48 |
| underd0g | and I roam alot | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or did you mean you can't change your nameserver? | 23:48 |
| underd0g | so I put openDNS servers , somewhere | 23:48 |
| underd0g | and my resolv.conf has them | 23:48 |
| underd0g | and dig returns them | 23:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, that makes more sense | 23:48 |
| underd0g | so I am on those dns servers | 23:49 |
| underd0g | still resolv.conf is immutable | 23:49 |
| underd0g | so it gets written from somewhere | 23:49 |
| underd0g | where from =?= | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what services are you running to resolve? DNSmasq, by any chance? | 23:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | iirc dnsmasq rewrites resolv.conf | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | https://wiki.debian.org/HowTo/dnsmasq | 23:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | pro tip: when "your" immutable DNS is 123.456.789.001, run `grep -e '123.456.789.001' /etc` | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, -r, not -e | 23:55 |
| underd0g | strange thing tho | 23:56 |
| underd0g | now I'm on some hotspot | 23:57 |
| underd0g | and it resolvs to rootservers | 23:57 |
| underd0g | man , I made a mess | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | generally whatever DHCP you're running is supposed to rewrite resolv.conf usually, as that's one of the purposes of DHCP | 23:59 |
| underd0g | this is strange | 23:59 |
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