DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: @all: how to proceed with devuan cloaks? | 12:12 |
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KatolaZ | don't we have anything more interesting to deal with than cloaks? | 12:15 |
KatolaZ | sorry but I just don't see the point | 12:15 |
KatolaZ | I am sure it's just me | 12:15 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure, if you want to find an excuse to not deal with proper IRC maintenance and community management, you for sure can find "something more important" - however note that this excuse only works for you and your competence in a particular topic. I'm pretty sure *I* can't find such excuse and I wouldn't want to either | 12:22 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: please explain a reason to have cloaks | 12:23 |
KatolaZ | I just don't see why we should do "community management" | 12:23 |
DocScrutinizer05 | community building, IRC maintenance | 12:23 |
KatolaZ | so people need a label in order to "build" the community? | 12:23 |
KatolaZ | really? | 12:23 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 12:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | please see definition of purpose of a cloak, in Freenode Knowledge Base: "to SHOW AFFILIATION to a project..." | 12:24 |
DocScrutinizer05 | some people like that, yes | 12:25 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and in some channels a cloak even raises your "permissions", e.g. devuan/developer/* may spam the channel with lengthy pastes without getting kicked immediately by the FreeNode antispam bot | 12:26 |
DocScrutinizer05 | for newcomers it's incredibly useful to learn to know whom they are chatting with when they see their peer has a /devuan/whatever cloak | 12:28 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sure they also could scan all git commits for half an hour to see who is a devel and who's not | 12:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | IF people would provide their IRC nicks in git | 12:29 |
KatolaZ | people who come here for help, need help, and are happy if they get help. irrespective of where it comes from | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | IMHO | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | I have never looked at anything apart from nicks | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | on IRC | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | or on a ML | 12:30 |
DocScrutinizer05 | that's your individual approach | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | but again, this might be just me | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | yes, it is | 12:30 |
KatolaZ | I value the contribution of people, notwitstanding their name, or affiliation, or label | 12:31 |
KatolaZ | as simple as that | 12:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | it's strange you think everybody coming here is just looking for help | 12:31 |
KatolaZ | I am not | 12:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | there might be users who come here to contribute and want to know their peers | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | great | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | so they look at the labels on top of names? | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 12:32 |
KatolaZ | really? | 12:33 |
KatolaZ | anyway, more important stuff to do | 12:33 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 12:33 |
KatolaZ | bbl | 12:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | axactly to the point where this started: *you* have more important stuff to do, I don't | 12:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | then, you already *have* your cloak, right? | 12:40 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and it seems you don't care either way if others get a cloak or not, so it's completely fair you care for other stuff and don't waste your time discussing this topic with me | 12:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | generally cloaks are like badges or name plates, a lot of people love to carry them with pride to show their affiliation and support for a certain group/community and when it's a nameplate giving away your degree of competence in a particular domain, it's highly appreciated by newcomers who otherwise have no idea who you are | 12:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | background: https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks | 13:01 |
DocScrutinizer05 | also note how cloaks are quite well supported by FreeNode ircd7: /who devuan/*/* | 13:12 |
will_haven | you still here talking bollocks? lol | 13:56 |
queip | just for lols: #debian quieted someone because he said "Jews" lol | 16:08 |
cehteh | #debian isnt debian .. i dont like the #debian attitude, but this hostility between devuan and debian isnt nice either | 16:17 |
queip | and OPs can't be reasoned with about it | 16:21 |
queip | seems SJW conquered debian | 16:22 |
queip | they will conquer devuan in time too | 16:22 |
queip | some faggot will ask about some CoC, you will yield, just one thing for now, then another | 16:23 |
queip | it will probably ruin most FOSS by 2020 | 16:23 |
DonkeyHotei | "suck my CoC" | 16:23 |
cehteh | yeah i dont like this, just use some common sense and good | 16:25 |
furrywolf | fun fact: it's idiots like you that are why the CoC now exists. | 16:26 |
queip | furrywolf: what now? | 16:26 |
furrywolf | people who feel the need to express themselves rudely and with various slurs. like, for example, "faggots". | 16:27 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: but where is the hostility between debian and devuan? | 16:27 |
furrywolf | bbl, back to wiring | 16:28 |
queip | furrywolf: you know how to use /ignore right? | 16:28 |
cehteh | *but* when you have the attitude that you are better than they because you feel this way and you despise such CoC and the SJW stuff then you are already not better than they | 16:28 |
cehteh | KatolaZ: i shouldnt generalize, i meant between some people on either side | 16:28 |
queip | furrywolf: I can show you, you type "/ignore foo" where foo is a nickname, and you then do not see them. Or just call them a faggot back and move on back to writting indeed :) | 16:28 |
KatolaZ | I see cehteh | 16:29 |
KatolaZ | just wanted to note that it's not a general attitude here | 16:29 |
KatolaZ | :) | 16:29 |
cehteh | yeah sorry you are right | 16:29 |
KatolaZ | ;) | 16:30 |
KatolaZ | (no need to be sorry: we don't have a CoC! :P) | 16:30 |
queip | it's funny that a furry* replied tho :P | 16:30 |
cehteh | btw is there a plan to add systemd to devuan? :) .. i mean seriously. imo the goal should be to make it optional for the users preference, i have lots trouble with it, but there are also some good points about it. ideally it would be a nice option for the cases where it works | 16:33 |
muep | there is already a good Debian for those use cases | 16:34 |
queip | which initd is best? | 16:35 |
queip | just initd is now in devuan? there were some faster (or smth) replacements? | 16:35 |
KatolaZ | no cehteh | 16:37 |
KatolaZ | there is no such plan | 16:37 |
KatolaZ | Devuan + systemd == Debian | 16:37 |
queip | a choice sounds like an intereseting option | 16:38 |
queip | but if it adds much more work to support "both sides", then yeah maybe a bad idea | 16:38 |
KatolaZ | queip: you can also ask Debian to support other init systems | 16:38 |
queip | yeap\ | 16:39 |
KatolaZ | Debian has some 900+ devs, right? | 16:39 |
queip | actually it does, to an extent doesnt it? | 16:39 |
KatolaZ | it shouldn't have been too difficult for them to do that | 16:39 |
queip | didnt tested it n a long time | 16:39 |
KatolaZ | you can't install a Debian without systemd | 16:39 |
muep | afaik debian still supports e.g. sysvinit well for many use cases | 16:39 |
KatolaZ | you can remove systemd later on | 16:40 |
telst4r | I thought there's openrc on devuan | 16:40 |
KatolaZ | there is telst4r | 16:40 |
telst4r | yes. so there is a choice for init. | 16:40 |
KatolaZ | sure | 16:41 |
muep | not necessarily that well for running gnome, though I have not tried | 16:41 |
KatolaZ | muep: it's not just gnome | 16:41 |
KatolaZ | none of the session-related stuff works without systemd in Debian | 16:41 |
telst4r | lennartd is pretty evasive | 16:41 |
muep | it was just an example of a more problematic use case | 16:42 |
cehteh | KatolaZ: from a 'users'/technical perspective it would be nice when devuan and debian can merge eventually.. becoming one again, prolly making devuan obsolete ... but i am not thinking about the social/political impact of such :) | 16:42 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: it would have been better if a fork was not necessary at all | 16:42 |
cehteh | ack | 16:43 |
furrymcgee | its good to have a choice | 16:44 |
telst4r | Isn't that that what free software is about? | 16:45 |
cehteh | freedom for me is that the user has the freedom of choice, that includes init systems as well as non-free software. Then when someone replys me "of course you have the choice, just use something else, but we wont support/help you (for potitical reasons), you are on your own" .. the this reply already indicates that the person doesnt respect my freedom. Of course there are plenty of technical reasons for not supporting certain ideas, i can accept that. | 16:47 |
muep | I do not think it is useful to generalise that it is about choice | 16:47 |
cehteh | no voluntary project has the resources to cover each and everything, different kernels, all init systems, bundling non free stuff (possibly infrige some licenses/eula) ... | 16:48 |
cehteh | i am only against the attitude when someone says "no i dont help you, i could, but i know whats better for you" | 16:49 |
muep | even if you typically get more choices available to you when you use free software instead of proprietary | 16:49 |
cehteh | i am absolutely pro free software | 16:49 |
cehteh | free as in gnu, not beer | 16:49 |
queip | cehteh: yeap, especially watch out that such requests are multiplitive | 16:50 |
cehteh | but there are reasons sometimes where non free stuff needs to be used, might be politically incorrect, sad, whatever .. still there are such causes | 16:50 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: reality is that we don't have infinite time | 16:50 |
queip | 3 kernels, 4 inits = 12 groups of problems ;) | 16:50 |
KatolaZ | and we are humans, and as such we all have *preferences* | 16:50 |
cehteh | KatolaZ: yes, i completely understand when someone argues with technical reasons | 16:51 |
KatolaZ | somebody said you should only write a software you are willing to use | 16:51 |
KatolaZ | :) | 16:51 |
KatolaZ | we could re-arrange it in "you should only support a software you are going to use" | 16:51 |
cehteh | but not the "I define freedom for you"-attitude | 16:51 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: that's not freedom | 16:51 |
KatolaZ | neither the opposite is | 16:52 |
cehteh | sadly that happens in a lot (gnu and other free software) communities | 16:52 |
KatolaZ | (like in "I define freedom as what you should include in the distro you prepare") :D | 16:52 |
cehteh | this sjw syndrome | 16:52 |
KatolaZ | nope | 16:53 |
KatolaZ | this is what many people expect the others to do for them | 16:53 |
telst4r | The rudeness sometimes bugs me too. And yet I find myself falling into it | 16:53 |
KatolaZ | unfortunately | 16:53 |
cehteh | in guix some longer time someone asked about removing 'mame' from the repo, just because one 'could' run non free software in that emulator. of course that request was turned down, but still just alone that line of thought is poisonous for freedom | 16:54 |
cehteh | +ago | 16:54 |
telst4r | ofcourse the, let's say, fsf have a saying which distros they choose to endorse. or a fsf-endorsing distro have a saying of refusing to help with non-free software, but the other side is that it's probably gonna backfire. | 16:55 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: that's like banning knives because someone can get stabbed :D | 16:55 |
KatolaZ | telst4r: anybody is free to endorse what they want | 16:56 |
KatolaZ | and to choose a criterion for that | 16:56 |
cehteh | i was thinking about posting a bash snippet to the ML with "all rights reserved" notice .. and then request to delete the ML :) | 16:56 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: that would have been invalid | 16:56 |
cehteh | yep :) | 16:56 |
KatolaZ | since by accepting to post to the ML you accept your messages to be public | 16:56 |
KatolaZ | ;) | 16:57 |
cehteh | all rights reserved doesnt mean my code cant be public | 16:57 |
KatolaZ | sure | 16:57 |
cehteh | it just says the code is non-free | 16:57 |
KatolaZ | indeed | 16:57 |
KatolaZ | I was referring to the request to remove the ML | 16:57 |
KatolaZ | not to the code | 16:58 |
KatolaZ | ;) | 16:58 |
cehteh | well by such standards that "no we dont even get close to non free stuff" | 16:58 |
cehteh | its not my problem its theirs | 16:58 |
cehteh | still i like the guix project and should work more with it. while hardcore gnuism is for once a political necessity but also a bit unpractical for getting things done | 17:00 |
cehteh | in fact even with coreboot and other free software, there are so much microcontrollers on a modern mainbard which run on non updateable propietary software, you cant get a real free software computer nowadays | 17:00 |
cehteh | as in 100% free | 17:01 |
cehteh | anyway out of topic and i doing something else | 17:01 |
cehteh | bbl | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | cehteh: if it were not for entities like FSF we would probably have no free firmware at all, today :) | 17:02 |
KatolaZ | but yes, OT and distracting (yet interesting, though;) ) | 17:02 |
telst4r | mm. it's on a good cause and I support it. But the current situation is that it's not yet a 100% reality for most people, or businesses. Sadly, but so it seems. | 17:05 |
cehteh | KatolaZ: i highly respect rms and accept his extremist stance, but he created free software for the freedom of people, this is no green/organic software farm where we pet and care free bits and bytes, the only reason for free software is to ensure freedom for people to have choices and help themself and others. | 19:01 |
KatolaZ | sure cehteh | 19:02 |
KatolaZ | I miss the link with the previous discussion though | 19:02 |
KatolaZ | (I am on and off anyway today) | 19:02 |
cehteh | o/ | 19:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | FSF is pushing an ideal. They don't honestly care about usability. And that's fine for achieving FSF's goals, they have no other way ro go | 19:51 |
DocScrutinizer05 | to* | 19:51 |
nailyk | hi all. Where can I open an issue for logrotate please? | 19:51 |
MinceR | they used to be pushing an ideal | 19:52 |
nailyk | (debootstraped devuan ascii) | 19:52 |
MinceR | now they're pushing systemd | 19:52 |
cehteh | fsf? | 19:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: you first find out if the bug you found is related to patches devuan introduced, or it's generic to all logrotate packages. Then you open the ticket where the package upstream is | 19:53 |
DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: Free Software Foundation | 19:53 |
cehteh | i meant they push systemd, i doubt | 19:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: wait WHAT?? | 19:54 |
nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: Filename: pool/DEBIAN/main/l/logrotate/logrotate_3.11.0-0.1_amd64.deb (reported by apt-cache). Should that mean it is a debian upstream package? | 19:54 |
cehteh | they 'accept/tolerate it' because its free software | 19:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | cehteh: aah, me too | 19:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~pkg | 19:54 |
cehteh | but also it wont run on hurd and is not written in guile :D | 19:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ~package | 19:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | damn! | 19:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg | 19:55 |
infobot | from memory, #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages | 19:55 |
nailyk | thanks | 19:55 |
nailyk | so no. Gonna open the issue on debian then. Thanks! | 19:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: out of curiosity, hwta's that bug? | 19:56 |
nailyk | just a sec please. | 19:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | k | 19:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 19:56 |
nailyk | https://paste.swordarmor.fr/35Fx | 19:59 |
nailyk | + 'tmpfs on /var/log type tmpfs (rw,relatime)' | 20:00 |
MinceR | DocScrutinizer05: i thought it was common knowledge here that rms publicly endorsed systemd as "free software" despite the vendor lock-in | 20:00 |
MinceR | and that other FSF members support it as well | 20:01 |
nailyk | it's not a bloatwareD free chan? | 20:01 |
* nailyk run away | 20:02 | |
DocScrutinizer05 | MinceR: yes, that's common knowledge | 20:02 |
DocScrutinizer05 | arguably their notion of "free software" is sigject to review and improvement | 20:03 |
DocScrutinizer05 | subject* | 20:03 |
MinceR | their notion of "free software" used to be the FSD, which did cover such things implicitly | 20:04 |
MinceR | but apparently now it's just a synonym for "open source" (per the OSD), as rms referred to the license when making his statement in support of systemd | 20:04 |
KatolaZ | MinceR: rms did not make any statement in support of systemd | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | he simply said that systemd is free software | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | (which is factually true) | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | :| | 20:05 |
MinceR | which is not factually true and which is in support of systemd | 20:05 |
nailyk | like android | 20:05 |
* nailyk stop trolling | 20:05 | |
KatolaZ | no MinceR | 20:05 |
KatolaZ | systemd is free software | 20:06 |
nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: what do you think about the paste please? | 20:06 |
KatolaZ | is distributed under a free software license | 20:06 |
MinceR | doesn't make it free software | 20:06 |
nailyk | KatolaZ: your right, AOSP, sorry | 20:06 |
KatolaZ | nailyk: ? | 20:06 |
MinceR | it's designed to encroach on the freedoms of its users, hence, the opposite of free software | 20:06 |
KatolaZ | MinceR: you are free to not use it, as a matter of fact | 20:07 |
nailyk | KatolaZ: nothing. Just the same applies to AOSP | 20:07 |
MinceR | like i said, argumentation on the basis of copyright license is "open source" (per the OSD), not "free software" (per the FSD) | 20:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: (logrotate bug) strange | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | as you are free to not use hardware that requires non-free firmware | 20:07 |
MinceR | KatolaZ: yeah, unless i need software that locks me into it | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | MinceR: then work for alternatives | 20:07 |
MinceR | well, at least applications are rarely locked into particular hardware yet | 20:07 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: only thing that comes to mind: ACL | 20:07 |
MinceR | done | 20:07 |
KatolaZ | MinceR: great :) | 20:07 |
nailyk | DocScrutinizer05: dunno what it is :p You mean selinux? | 20:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | access list | 20:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | getfacl | 20:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | you don't see ACL permissions via ls | 20:08 |
KatolaZ | nailyk: which release are we talking about? | 20:08 |
DocScrutinizer05 | WAAAIT | 20:13 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: please ls -ld /var/log | 20:14 |
DocScrutinizer05 | your ls is only covering the files _inside_ the parent dir (/var/log/) which allegedly has incorrect perms | 20:15 |
nailyk | oh, it on the 'root' folder! | 20:15 |
nailyk | Thanks for the tip! | 20:15 |
nailyk | yes, /var/log have uncorrect perm caused by the fstab | 20:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | >>error: skipping "/var/log/btmp" because ***parent directory*** has insecure permissio<< | 20:16 |
DocScrutinizer05 | TYL: use l instead ll ;-) | 20:19 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: http://termbin.com/xuze | 20:22 |
DocScrutinizer05 | nailyk: so WHY is your fstab causing incorrect permissions on /var/log/? Did you edit it? | 20:29 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: sure he did, since it's a debootstrapped image, as nailyk said | 20:29 |
Tashtari | Hey guys. Is there a way to reduce the size of initrd in a devuan installation, or is it just shipped as is? | 20:29 |
DocScrutinizer05 | aah, missed that, Sorry KatolaZ | 20:29 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: you can recreate it | 20:30 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: no need to apologise :) | 20:30 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: you can strip stuff by hand | 20:30 |
KatolaZ | or have a look at the script in minimal-live | 20:30 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 20:30 |
Tashtari | What tools would I use to strip stuff out by hand? | 20:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | strip | 20:31 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: hold on | 20:31 |
KatolaZ | retrieving the link :) | 20:31 |
KatolaZ | https://git.devuan.org/sdk/live-sdk/blob/master/blends/devuan-minimal-live/ascii/scripts/create_initrd.sh <- Tashtari | 20:31 |
DocScrutinizer05 | is it actually about strip(8)? | 20:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oops (1) | 20:32 |
Tashtari | KatolaZ: Aha, cool. Thanks, I'll see what I can do with this. | 20:32 |
KatolaZ | nope DocScrutinizer05 | 20:32 |
DocScrutinizer05 | ta | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | that script removes normally unwanted modules | 20:33 |
DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: have a look and edit as needed | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: that script should reduce the initrd shipped with ascii by about 60% | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | maybe more | 20:33 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: you might also remove more stuff, maybe, depending on your config | 20:34 |
Tashtari | If I remove one of those filesystem drivers, will I lose the ability to mount filesystems of that type, or just to -boot- from filesystems of that type? | 20:34 |
KatolaZ | the stuff in initrd is useful only during early boot | 20:35 |
KatolaZ | basically, until you mount / | 20:35 |
Tashtari | Ok, that's not a problem then... | 20:35 |
KatolaZ | but the normal way this stuff is put together is by throwing in everything and the kitchen sink | 20:36 |
Tashtari | Does initrd ever get regenerated automatically, like when you install certain packages? | 20:36 |
KatolaZ | yes | 20:36 |
KatolaZ | when you install a kernel | 20:36 |
KatolaZ | or update it | 20:36 |
KatolaZ | or grub | 20:36 |
Tashtari | But there's not, say, some package that includes support for another filesystem that would then kick off some scripts to add that filesystem's driver into initrd? | 20:37 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: how can I know? :) | 20:37 |
KatolaZ | in principle, a dkms package might want to rebuild the initrd | 20:37 |
KatolaZ | but I don't know if any specific package does that | 20:37 |
Tashtari | Well, I suppose I should ask if it's -normal- for that to happen, not to say "does any package ever do that" :) | 20:38 |
KatolaZ | well, the worse that can happen is that you boot with an initrd that should work in 99.999% of the cases :D | 20:38 |
KatolaZ | Tashtari: it's not normal, but in principle the post-inst of any package could do that (eve if that would not be reasonable) | 20:39 |
Tashtari | All right. Thanks for your help, I think I should be able to run with this. | 20:39 |
KatolaZ | I guess only -dkms packages would really want to do that | 20:39 |
KatolaZ | ok | 20:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | the root question is how to deal with that. Is there a best practice to pin the initrd package or whatever? | 20:39 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or edit some initrd build script which usually doesn't get updated when customized, or somesuch? | 20:40 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: yep, nuke update-initramfs :P | 20:40 |
Tashtari | Yeah, that's going to be interesting... the reason I'm trying to pare down initrd is because I want to fit it all into my BIOS chip and coreboot directly into the kernel. | 20:41 |
DocScrutinizer05 | or a hook in apt that runs your cleaning script again after a new initrd got triggered to get built? | 20:41 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: kidding | 20:41 |
Tashtari | But... first make it work, then make it sustainable, I suppose. | 20:41 |
KatolaZ | have a look at /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I found the other way around works better for me personally ;-) | 20:42 |
nailyk | indeed :p 'tmpfs /var/log tmpfs defaults 0 0' | 20:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | since usually I'm so happy when it works, that sustainability gets postponed until I have to redo all the stuff next time | 20:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so meanwhile I often try to start with a script that does the stuff for me | 20:44 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so when it works I already got a script for next time | 20:45 |
fsmithred | Tashtari, yes the initrd gets rebuilt when you install packages for other filesystems. I just tested it by installing btrfs-tools. It also gets rebuilt when you install cryptsetup or mdadm, and maybe lvm2, too. | 21:05 |
Tashtari | fsmithred: Ah, good to know. Thanks. | 21:07 |
Tashtari | devuan is not one of the linux distros that incorporates ZFS, is it? | 21:07 |
fsmithred | no, not by default | 21:08 |
fsmithred | zfs is available in the repo | 21:08 |
KatolaZ | ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] | 21:23 |
KatolaZ | [#devuan] mb b | 21:23 |
KatolaZ | ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] | 21:23 |
KatolaZ | [#devuan] mb b | 21:23 |
KatolaZ | uff next time | 21:23 |
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KatolaZ | 20:46 < DocScrutinizer05> so meanwhile I often try to start with a script that does the stuff for me | 21:23 |
KatolaZ | 20:46 < DocScrutinizer05> so when it works I already got a script for next time | 21:23 |
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KatolaZ | 21:07 < fsmithred> Tashtari, yes the initrd gets rebuilt when you install packages for other filesystems. I just tested it by | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | installing btrfs-tools. It also gets rebuilt when you install cryptsetup or mdadm, and maybe lvm2, too. | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:08 < Tashtari> fsmithred: Ah, good to know. Thanks. | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:09 < Tashtari> devuan is not one of the linux distros that incorporates ZFS, is it? | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:09 < fsmithred> no, not by default | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:10 < fsmithred> zfs is available in the repo | 21:24 |
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KatolaZ | 21:17 -!- Blacker4716 [~Blacker47@187.111.217.67] has quit [Killed (Sigyn (Spam is off topic on freenode.))] | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:24 -!- wasp is now known as Wasp | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> [#devuan] mb b | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> ,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | 21:25 < KatolaZ> [#devuan] mb b | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | [21:25] [KatolaZ(+RZi)] [2:#devuan(+cntz)] [Act: 3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11,15] | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | [#devuan] | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | sorry | 21:24 |
KatolaZ | kid on the keyboard :\ | 21:24 |
fsmithred | lol, was wondering what all that was | 21:26 |
MinceR | lol | 21:33 |
MinceR | kid might make a fine cat eventually | 21:33 |
Tashtari | ..Hmm. Can I compress an initrd with xz and have it just work or does it have to be gzip? | 21:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | KatolaZ: did you get a friendly warning of sigyn? | 21:42 |
DocScrutinizer05 | iios | 21:43 |
DocScrutinizer05 | oops even | 21:43 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: dunno | 21:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | hm? | 21:45 |
MinceR | and an unfriendly one? :> | 21:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | she's on your /ignore or why? | 21:45 |
KatolaZ | who? | 21:45 |
DocScrutinizer05 | sigyn | 21:45 |
KatolaZ | o_O | 21:45 |
KatolaZ | who is sigyn? | 21:46 |
KatolaZ | hold on | 21:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | /whois Sigyn | 21:46 |
KatolaZ | maybe the status window | 21:46 |
DonkeyHotei | auto-kline bot | 21:46 |
KatolaZ | oh ok | 21:46 |
KatolaZ | Your actions in #devuan tripped automated anti-spam measures (flood..... | 21:46 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ is this one? | 21:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 21:46 |
DocScrutinizer05 | so it was a friendly last warning, taking into account your time in chanel? | 21:47 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (sorry for pestering you with this, just want to check if everything works as it should) | 21:48 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I guess your cloak could have helped as well# | 21:49 |
KatolaZ | DocScrutinizer05: it was not so friendly, indee | 21:50 |
KatolaZ | ~indeed | 21:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | please quote | 21:50 |
KatolaZ | stop now, or automated action will still be taken. | 21:50 |
KatolaZ | :D | 21:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, that's as friendly as sigyn gets :-) | 21:50 |
KatolaZ | fine | 21:50 |
KatolaZ | :) | 21:50 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if sigyn ever hits on a flase positive, please holler immediately, there's a 30 minute time window to revert klines | 21:51 |
banshi | hello | 21:52 |
DocScrutinizer05 | if we miss that window, it's the usual "please user send an email to kline@freenode.org" or whatever, taking a few days to proceed | 21:52 |
banshi | do we have network-manager in the latest devuan? | 21:52 |
KatolaZ | banshi: apt-cache search -n network-manager | 21:52 |
banshi | KatolaZ, I would do that if I had installed devuan | 21:53 |
KatolaZ | banshi: http://pkginfo.devuan.org | 21:53 |
banshi | network-manager-gnome is there | 21:54 |
banshi | so yes | 21:54 |
banshi | there is | 21:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg | 21:55 |
infobot | somebody said #devuan packagelist was on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages | 21:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg is also http://pkginfo.devuan.org | 21:55 |
infobot | DocScrutinizer05: okay | 21:55 |
DocScrutinizer05 | damn | 21:56 |
KatolaZ | !pkg | 21:57 |
infobot | it has been said that #devuan packagelist is on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages | 21:57 |
DocScrutinizer05 | I'll "flood the channel" with bot admin to show what I did wrong | 21:58 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !literal pkg | 21:59 |
infobot | "#devuan pkg" is "<reply>see #devuan packagelist" | 21:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !literal _default pkg | 21:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | umm | 21:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !_default pkg | 21:59 |
DocScrutinizer05 | whatever... | 22:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !#devuan packagelist is also http://pkginfo.devuan.org | 22:00 |
infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer05 | 22:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | !pkg | 22:00 |
infobot | #devuan packagelist is probably on our gitlab's group https://git.devuan.org/groups/devuan-packages, or http://pkginfo.devuan.org | 22:00 |
DocScrutinizer05 | http://termbin.com/2brw - and sorry for the noise | 22:02 |
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