amarsh04 | has anyone been building Linus git head kernels for i386 lately - I've had difficulties since after 4.18.0-rc7 | 13:11 |
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g40 | Greetings. where does devuan implement udev rules for /dev/video0? I can access this device w/o sudo on my x64 host but something still needs tweaking on my embedded board running a copy of devuan base ARM64. | 16:26 |
fsmithred | g40, see /usr/lib/udev. You can still put rules in /etc/udev/rules.d | 16:39 |
fsmithred | and maybe check your user's groups. | 16:39 |
g40 | fsmithred: thanks. was a member of `video` but looks like also needed to be added to `plugdev` | 16:49 |
fsmithred | does that fix the problem? | 16:53 |
g40 | fsmithred: hah, well at first glance it did, but still not quite. | 16:58 |
fsmithred | I'm not familiar with the arm builds, so I don't know if the problem is specific to that. | 16:59 |
fsmithred | I just know there are some differences in some things. (not really helpful) | 16:59 |
fsmithred | g40, a possible workaround might be to use pmount | 17:03 |
fsmithred | or udevil | 17:03 |
g40 | fsmthred. the `plugdev` addition has indeed worked. results obscured by running out of disk space. | 17:06 |
g40 | thank you. | 17:06 |
fsmithred | ouch | 17:06 |
fsmithred | yw | 17:07 |
silverwillow | hey all. Was wondering how I apt-get install an older version of the mono monster. 2.10.8 to be exact. | 17:43 |
gnarface | silverwillow: syntax synopsis for that is: apt-get install [package name]=[version number] | 18:17 |
gnarface | but you do have to get the version number exactly matching the package version, and it does still have to be in the repo | 18:17 |
gnarface | or in a repo | 18:18 |
silverwillow | yeah - tried that... but i recon 2.10.8 is so far back there's no package for it in any repository. guess I'll have to recompile from source. but it's on a slow box. compiling the latest mono took 5 hours... i recon that older version will be at least 3 hrs. going to give up and cry in a corner. | 18:18 |
gnarface | you might have luck using the debian snapshots repos, if it's something that wasn't built against systemd | 18:19 |
gnarface | building it yourself is probably the safer choice though | 18:19 |
gnarface | (as mixing distros can cause bad results later along) | 18:20 |
gnarface | got any other machines laying around? | 18:23 |
gnarface | if you're desperate to speed up build times there's always distcc | 18:23 |
gnarface | silverwillow: also.. uh, how old is that machine you're using to build? a common cause of inflated build-times these days is that default build scripts never take use of more than one cpu core | 18:51 |
gnarface | going from 1 core to 4 can be the difference between a build taking hours or minutes | 18:51 |
silverwillow | it's a hp microserver with 4Gb RAM and a Turion N40L 1.5Ghz CPU. think it has 2 cores. | 18:52 |
gnarface | 2 is better than 1 | 18:53 |
gnarface | that could reasonably halve your build time at least | 18:53 |
gnarface | (though, it's also a good way to fire test your cooling system so... you might want to make sure all your fans are spinning first) | 18:53 |
silverwillow | cant think why mono would be built against systemd, but that P*S has a way of infecting just aout everything. even the coffee you're drinking while you wait for compiles to finish. | 18:53 |
gnarface | oh if you only knew how true those words were... | 18:54 |
silverwillow | i kbnow i know. been running from systemd ever since it appeared in Arch linux a few years ago. | 18:54 |
silverwillow | i like alpine linux a lot. but it seems MUSL makes mono segfault somewhere too deep inside it for me to even begin to understand how to fix it. | 18:56 |
silverwillow | or rather the application i;m running on mono breaks.. yadayada. so now i;m wasting a weekend trying various distro's to get it running. | 18:57 |
gnarface | i'm just using the mono packages available in ceres | 18:57 |
gnarface | so far they haven't caused me any trouble directly with compatibility in Steam or Wine | 18:57 |
silverwillow | what version is that? mono > 5.12? | 18:58 |
gnarface | uh heh | 18:58 |
gnarface | no | 18:58 |
gnarface | 4.6.2.7, apparently | 18:59 |
silverwillow | trying to run opensimulator - and 0.8 of opensim runs well on 2.10.8 and 0.9.1 runs on > 5.12 | 18:59 |
silverwillow | yeah 4.6 is broken for opensimulator | 18:59 |
silverwillow | sigh. | 19:00 |
gnarface | bummer | 19:00 |
gnarface | well you got one sane choice then, to build it yourself | 19:00 |
gnarface | that's traumatic though | 19:00 |
gnarface | i wonder if it would be easier in fact to patch opensim 2.10.8 to work with 4.6 | 19:00 |
gnarface | i don't know C# at all, but it could be just the difference in a couple function calls for all i know | 19:01 |
gnarface | usually when unstable is using an old version there is a very good reason (typically indicative of something very, very wrong with the new version) | 19:02 |
gnarface | unstable is for testing packages not known to be stable | 19:03 |
gnarface | so if they're not putting the new version in for something that's definitely being actively maintained upstream that often means that they know for sure it would cause massive destruction if deployed | 19:03 |
gnarface | even then, it's not always enough for them to exercise restraint so... yea, count your blessings maybe | 19:04 |
silverwillow | :) | 19:05 |
silverwillow | i might try bleeding edge mono. and opensim from git. seems to work for people i know. | 19:06 |
silverwillow | what's the buld from source andmake packages invocation of apt? on alpine you just do 'abuild -r' am assuming something based on debian will be more complicated... *chuckle* | 19:06 |
gnarface | uh | 19:10 |
gnarface | if they're good enough packages i think you can do something like apt-get source -b [package name] | 19:10 |
gnarface | it doesn't always work without finessing them by hand a bit | 19:11 |
gnarface | but it's a good litmus test for package quality | 19:11 |
silverwillow | cool. well thanks so much for you help and time - much appreciated :) | 19:11 |
gnarface | no problem, good luck with it | 19:11 |
gnarface | let me know how it works out | 19:12 |
* silverwillow goes off to find systemd-free coffee | 19:12 |
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