libera/#devuan/ Saturday, 2018-08-18

amarsh04has anyone been building Linus git head kernels for i386 lately - I've had difficulties since after 4.18.0-rc713:11
g40Greetings. where does devuan implement udev rules for /dev/video0? I can access this device w/o sudo on my x64 host but something still needs tweaking on my embedded board running a copy of devuan base ARM64.16:26
fsmithredg40, see /usr/lib/udev.  You can still put rules in /etc/udev/rules.d16:39
fsmithredand maybe check your user's groups.16:39
g40fsmithred: thanks. was a member of `video` but looks like also needed to be added to `plugdev`16:49
fsmithreddoes that fix the problem?16:53
g40fsmithred: hah, well at first glance it did, but still not quite.16:58
fsmithredI'm not familiar with the arm builds, so I don't know if the problem is specific to that.16:59
fsmithredI just know there are some differences in some things. (not really helpful)16:59
fsmithredg40, a possible workaround might be to use pmount17:03
fsmithredor udevil17:03
g40fsmthred. the `plugdev` addition has indeed worked. results obscured by running out of disk space.17:06
g40thank you.17:06
fsmithredouch17:06
fsmithredyw17:07
silverwillowhey all. Was wondering how I apt-get install an older version of the mono monster. 2.10.8 to be exact.17:43
gnarfacesilverwillow: syntax synopsis for that is: apt-get install [package name]=[version number]18:17
gnarfacebut you do have to get the version number exactly matching the package version, and it does still have to be in the repo18:17
gnarfaceor in a repo18:18
silverwillowyeah - tried that... but i recon 2.10.8 is so far back there's no package for it in any repository. guess I'll have to recompile from source. but it's on a slow box. compiling the latest mono took 5 hours... i recon that older version will be at least 3 hrs. going to give up and cry in a corner.18:18
gnarfaceyou might have luck using the debian snapshots repos, if it's something that wasn't built against systemd18:19
gnarfacebuilding it yourself is probably the safer choice though18:19
gnarface(as mixing distros can cause bad results later along)18:20
gnarfacegot any other machines laying around?18:23
gnarfaceif you're desperate to speed up build times there's always distcc18:23
gnarfacesilverwillow: also.. uh, how old is that machine you're using to build?  a common cause of inflated build-times these days is that default build scripts never take use of more than one cpu core18:51
gnarfacegoing from 1 core to 4 can be the difference between a build taking hours or minutes18:51
silverwillowit's a hp microserver with 4Gb RAM and a Turion N40L 1.5Ghz CPU. think it has 2 cores.18:52
gnarface2 is better than 118:53
gnarfacethat could reasonably halve your build time at least18:53
gnarface(though, it's also a good way to fire test your cooling system so... you might want to make sure all your fans are spinning first)18:53
silverwillowcant think why mono would be built against systemd, but that P*S has a way of infecting just aout everything. even the coffee you're drinking while you wait for compiles to finish.18:53
gnarfaceoh if you only knew how true those words were...18:54
silverwillowi kbnow i know. been running from systemd ever since it appeared in Arch linux a few years ago.18:54
silverwillowi like alpine linux a lot. but it seems MUSL makes mono segfault somewhere too deep inside it for me to even begin to understand how to fix it.18:56
silverwillowor rather the application i;m running on mono breaks.. yadayada. so now i;m wasting a weekend trying various distro's to get it running.18:57
gnarfacei'm just using the mono packages available in ceres18:57
gnarfaceso far they haven't caused me any trouble directly with compatibility in Steam or Wine18:57
silverwillowwhat version is that? mono > 5.12?18:58
gnarfaceuh heh18:58
gnarfaceno18:58
gnarface4.6.2.7, apparently18:59
silverwillowtrying to run opensimulator - and 0.8 of opensim runs well on 2.10.8 and 0.9.1 runs on > 5.1218:59
silverwillowyeah 4.6 is broken for opensimulator18:59
silverwillowsigh.19:00
gnarfacebummer19:00
gnarfacewell you got one sane choice then, to build it yourself19:00
gnarfacethat's traumatic though19:00
gnarfacei wonder if it would be easier in fact to patch opensim 2.10.8 to work with 4.619:00
gnarfacei don't know C# at all, but it could be just the difference in a couple function calls for all i know19:01
gnarfaceusually when unstable is using an old version there is a very good reason (typically indicative of something very, very wrong with the new version)19:02
gnarfaceunstable is for testing packages not known to be stable19:03
gnarfaceso if they're not putting the new version in for something that's definitely being actively maintained upstream that often means that they know for sure it would cause massive destruction if deployed19:03
gnarfaceeven then, it's not always enough for them to exercise restraint so... yea, count your blessings maybe19:04
silverwillow:)19:05
silverwillowi might try bleeding edge mono. and opensim from git. seems to work for people i know.19:06
silverwillowwhat's the buld from source andmake packages invocation of apt? on alpine you just do 'abuild -r' am assuming something based on debian will be more complicated... *chuckle*19:06
gnarfaceuh19:10
gnarfaceif they're good enough packages i think you can do something like apt-get source -b [package name]19:10
gnarfaceit doesn't always work without finessing them by hand a bit19:11
gnarfacebut it's a good litmus test for package quality19:11
silverwillowcool. well thanks so much for you help and time - much appreciated :)19:11
gnarfaceno problem, good luck with it19:11
gnarfacelet me know how it works out19:12
* silverwillow goes off to find systemd-free coffee19:12

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