g011um | thunar freezes when I use shred, anybody else have this problem? | 03:51 |
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g011um | it freezes when I use bleachbit too | 03:52 |
g011um | why do u fucks sit in this channel if u don't talk? | 04:41 |
gnarface | to listen | 04:43 |
g011um | for what? NSA fireflies? | 04:43 |
g011um | u won't find nefarious activity here | 04:45 |
Xenguy | g011um: IRC ain't what it used to be; and mind your mouth please | 04:46 |
g011um | umm, sure, now how about that shred/bleachbit issue, any ideas? | 04:47 |
g011um | I have custom right-click shreds in thunar, works fine in other OSes/Xfce, bleachbit shouldn't freeze up thunar either | 04:49 |
Xenguy | Just use what works, that's my motto anymore | 04:49 |
Xenguy | Linux is like that: lots of choices, but lots of searching also | 04:50 |
g011um | it does work, but it freezes up thunar, it's a real-time thunar refresh problem | 04:50 |
Xenguy | I dunno, do some research, or report a bug I suppose? | 04:51 |
g011um | and pulseaudio as a default is a huge mistake too, I hate being asked in tor to install it, don't like Lennart or Red Shat | 04:52 |
Xenguy | We used to be so naive and think there was an occasional bug; but then we found out they're everywhere | 04:52 |
furrywolf | yes. I would love to see pulse gone. | 04:52 |
Xenguy | Preaching to the choir here | 04:52 |
g011um | pulse and systemd are by the same author/corporation | 04:52 |
Xenguy | yep | 04:52 |
g011um | pulse in tor is a backdoor, creepy $#1+ | 04:53 |
g011um | I uninstalled pulse, but still manage to have a full set of system sounds, including kb tickity tackity | 04:54 |
g011um | one more curiosity, ff multi converter is available in rpm based distros, am I gunna have to 'alien' that $#1+ myself or what? | 04:59 |
g011um | I m guessing it's a dependency issue | 05:00 |
g011um | sorry for bitching, my neighbor cheezed me off, will try a few things and report back, the thunar freezing is very weird, didn't do it in Devaun 1.0, the systemd cabal is no longer a conspiracy theory, it's the erosion of FOSS from the inside | 05:05 |
g011um | peace out | 05:05 |
Centurion_Dan | I hate pulseaudio too... that's why it's always the first thing to be uninstalled... | 06:05 |
Centurion_Dan | Only problem is xfce no longer has a panel volume control that works for alsa... | 06:05 |
furrywolf | I would love to have no pulse as one of devuan's goals | 06:05 |
furrywolf | apulse the volume control? | 06:06 |
Centurion_Dan | I did find a project that provided one but it was written in vala and used a proprietary build tool... | 06:06 |
Centurion_Dan | g011um: "ff multi converter"?? whats that?? | 06:08 |
Centurion_Dan | g011um: I find any significant activity in thunar is slow and appears to freeze it until the process is complete.... probably some gnomeish dep that's introduced that behaviour... | 06:10 |
golinux | Centurion_Dan: He's gone. | 06:14 |
golinux | An hour vefore you arrived. | 06:15 |
Centurion_Dan | He'll learn nothing if he doesn't ever lurk for a response.... | 06:15 |
Centurion_Dan | pfft... | 06:15 |
ServiceRobot | ello amigos | 07:32 |
ServiceRobot | are there any getty initscripts available? I can't seem to find an agetty service anywhere | 07:33 |
ErRandir | I'm on sysvinit and getty is called from /etc/inittab, so no initscript or service needed | 08:00 |
ServiceRobot | well I'm testing openrc 0.34, which includes openrc-init | 08:02 |
ServiceRobot | since I want to boot openrc directly and avoid sysvinit entirely | 08:03 |
ServiceRobot | thing is because it boots openrc directly the gettys aren't started | 08:03 |
ServiceRobot | there should be an agetty service along with a config file in /etc/conf.d, but conf.d is missing along with the service | 08:03 |
ServiceRobot | from looking at how debian does it, they don't provide these services since they assume I'll be using sysvinit-core? | 08:05 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: that is currently the case | 08:08 |
ServiceRobot | well that's dumb. it even stays that way in sid and buster. is there any possibility for the devuan devs to support sysvinit independence? | 08:11 |
ServiceRobot | it actually wouldn't be that hard to add at this point | 08:12 |
golinux | ServiceRobot: Talk to SteveLitt about alternate init options. He's done a lot of experimenting. You'll sometimesfind him on #debianfork | 08:12 |
ServiceRobot | you think he's there right now? | 08:12 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: any help is appreciated :) | 08:12 |
KatolaZ | since you are working on it, sharing your results would be useful | 08:13 |
ServiceRobot | all it would take to get openrc without inittab is an getty initscript | 08:13 |
ServiceRobot | *a | 08:13 |
ServiceRobot | also netifrc could be supported as a replacement to ifupdown | 08:13 |
ServiceRobot | I'll share my findings with him | 08:13 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: feel free to shout on DNG as well | 08:14 |
KatolaZ | we will get there sooner or later | 08:14 |
ServiceRobot | DNG? | 08:14 |
KatolaZ | and any contribution is welcome | 08:14 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: the mailinglist | 08:14 |
ServiceRobot | how do I contribute? is devuan accepting packages that aren't provided by debian? | 08:15 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: sure | 08:15 |
KatolaZ | they will go in experimental first | 08:15 |
ServiceRobot | ceres you mean? | 08:16 |
KatolaZ | nope | 08:17 |
KatolaZ | I mean experimental | 08:17 |
KatolaZ | all new packages go in experimental | 08:17 |
KatolaZ | get tested | 08:17 |
KatolaZ | and then percolate down | 08:17 |
ServiceRobot | well I just learned a new word. I guess experimental isn't public then? | 08:18 |
KatolaZ | it is | 08:19 |
KatolaZ | how could people test packages in there if it were hidden? :) | 08:19 |
ServiceRobot | not exactly sure how I would enable "experimental" if it's not a release? | 08:20 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: it's a suite, not a release | 08:27 |
KatolaZ | you just include it as you would include "ascii-updates" | 08:27 |
KatolaZ | only, it's under /devuan, not under /merged | 08:27 |
ServiceRobot | ah | 08:27 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 08:29 |
KatolaZ | look for "experimental" | 08:29 |
ServiceRobot | I assume pkgmaster is just a mirror? | 08:30 |
KatolaZ | uh? | 08:31 |
KatolaZ | there is no pkgmaster on that page | 08:31 |
ServiceRobot | right, but on another tutorial I used on the site it used pkgmaster.devuan.org as the repo link | 08:32 |
KatolaZ | ServiceRobot: deb.devuan.org is the recommended one | 08:33 |
KatolaZ | it's a pool of mirrors | 08:33 |
ServiceRobot | ah | 08:33 |
ServiceRobot | so runit works perfectly fine since it uses its own getty scripts as well. I actually prefer runit over openrc so I'll use that instead. I hope I can help improve support before the next release | 09:07 |
gnarface | can i get an invite back into #devuan-arm? | 14:33 |
aslan8649 | Handbrake in ascii is at 0.10.X in beowulf it is 1.1.1. how stable is Beowulf? | 15:42 |
aslan8649 | ToffeeYogurtPots, that is a unique nickname | 15:43 |
aslan8649 | anyone here and awake? | 15:46 |
gnarface | it's safe to assume beowulf is not currently stabel | 15:48 |
aslan8649 | any guesstimate when Beowulf will be released | 15:57 |
aslan8649 | How tightly coupled is Devuan to Debian release time schedule? | 15:58 |
gnarface | no estimates | 15:58 |
gnarface | only thing i can tell you for sure is it won't be *before* debian's release | 15:59 |
aslan8649 | gnarface, okay thank you | 15:59 |
aslan8649 | so if debian sticks to their past history, buster will not be released until summertime 2019 | 16:02 |
aslan8649 | debian appears to be on a two year cycle. | 16:02 |
gnarface | that's just the approximate amount of time it always takes to clean it up | 16:03 |
gnarface | it's not predetermined in any way | 16:03 |
gnarface | the primary factor is volunteer participation | 16:04 |
gnarface | (which varies much more wildly for devuan) | 16:04 |
aslan8649 | that is understandable | 16:04 |
aslan8649 | i barely keep my own things running without trying to do volunteer stuff anymore. | 16:05 |
aslan8649 | too old, too many medical issues. | 16:05 |
aslan8649 | goodbye | 16:14 |
g011um | I will never surrender to the corporate backed spyware cabal | 16:48 |
Leander | my laptop's ext4fs went nuts, got remounted read-only, I couldn't do anything (system utilities failed to start) so I had to reboot, but now of course, there's nothing in the log | 16:58 |
gnarface | heh | 16:59 |
gnarface | good ol' ext4 | 16:59 |
gnarface | reliable as ever | 16:59 |
Leander | yes, "why is that still a thing?" | 16:59 |
gnarface | i dunno | 17:00 |
gnarface | i stopped using it | 17:00 |
Leander | it is still the default fs, so I kept it during install, but now of course I regret | 17:01 |
MinceR | i switched from ext3 to ext4 when the kernel developers decided ext4 was so mature they threw out ext3 | 17:02 |
MinceR | (still needs the nodelalloc option to not be retarded though) | 17:02 |
gnarface | sometimes it seems to just be allergic to cheap SD cards, but there's also a known issue with the e2fs tools version in jessie that causes this on filesystems made with later versions | 17:02 |
gnarface | (and it's not immediately apparent; the corruption can happen days or weeks later) | 17:04 |
gnarface | frankly i think it's also fairly hard on flash | 17:05 |
gnarface | i mean, journaling filesystems are known to be, but i think ext4 is significantly worse somehow | 17:05 |
G40 | greetings. new here. so when I read about devuan in the register some good while back I smiled and rolled my eyes. This morning, trying to assemble a Ub* RFS for an embedded ARM 64 gadget clarity struck me like a gold club | 18:52 |
G40 | so thanks all. | 18:52 |
G40 | the SDK thingies look well cool - has anyone else done work on Arm64? | 18:54 |
gnarface | work, no, not really, but i've booted devuan on a pinebook | 18:56 |
gnarface | that's arm64 | 18:56 |
SuicideJunkie | I'm getting a 404 when trying to install the imagemagick package through synaptic. Has something happened recently? | 23:23 |
SuicideJunkie | Ah, never mind, it was just my local settings. | 23:31 |
SuicideJunkie | A little caffeine helps a lot. | 23:32 |
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