| Joerg-Neo900 | gnarface: thanks! https://stackoverflow.com/questions/22144541/disable-last-message-repeated-x-times-on-syslog-facility | 00:03 |
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| Joerg-Neo900 | sdiff honestly now? dosn't even bother about $EDITOR and simply used ed(1) - WHAT ELSE? | 01:06 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | hoestly, who in here really speaks ed? | 01:07 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I did, like 30 years ago | 01:07 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | mcdiff FTW ;-P | 01:09 |
| Xenguy | .oO( vimdiff FTW : -) | 01:16 |
| MinceR | https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/ed-msg.en.html | 01:20 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | lol. looks *exactly* like a screen copy of my ed session | 01:48 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I also tried . and !x | 01:48 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | and ESC | 01:48 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | gnarface: lol, seems the >>2018-08-06T02:33:07+02:00 UbiqPKD kernel: last message repeated 4 times<< (UbiqPKD being the romote device) is generated on remote device and sent verbatim to lacal rsyslogd | 02:36 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | local* | 02:36 |
| ServiceRobot | hello | 05:22 |
| gnarface | hello | 05:24 |
| ServiceRobot | so I haven't checked up on devuan in a while. how is openrc support going? reading the front page it was added in the latest release | 05:25 |
| gnarface | i haven't tried it myself, but it's supposed to work. it's an option in the expert mode of the installer | 05:25 |
| ServiceRobot | though it seems it's version 0.34 that allows me to completely remove sysvinit and depend solely on openrc | 05:25 |
| gnarface | you could always have installed openrc after the fact though, even before the installer had the option. that's all that's really changed | 05:26 |
| ServiceRobot | but that's in Beuowolf, which doesn't have any available downloads as of yet. unless I'm mistaken | 05:26 |
| gnarface | beowulf is still heavily broken, don't use it unless your primary goal is to help unbreak it | 05:26 |
| ServiceRobot | always good to have options on the installer itself | 05:26 |
| ServiceRobot | well I've taken a look on without-systemd's website, and when it comes to STABLE distros that have something other than sysvinit, I don't have many options | 05:27 |
| gnarface | you would actually have better luck with ceres than beowulf right now | 05:27 |
| ServiceRobot | oh? are there downloads available for ceres? it seems that also supports openrc without sysvinit | 05:27 |
| gnarface | there's no installer for ceres. you'd have to install ascii then upgrade to it | 05:28 |
| ServiceRobot | though I'm not sure how the init scripts would fair | 05:28 |
| ServiceRobot | or use debootstrap? | 05:28 |
| gnarface | debootstrap would work too | 05:28 |
| ServiceRobot | do you think ceres is stable enough for production use though? | 05:29 |
| gnarface | depends on your definition of production use | 05:29 |
| gnarface | you mean getting real work done that you're being paid for? no, don't use it for that. | 05:29 |
| ServiceRobot | running a LEMP setup along with certain game servers | 05:29 |
| ServiceRobot | more of a personal thing | 05:29 |
| gnarface | you mean playing games on Steam though, it's fine most weeks. | 05:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: so any new decisions regarding the topic? | 05:29 |
| ServiceRobot | no, playing games on steam I'd use something like Artix | 05:30 |
| ServiceRobot | but for running servers I want something stable that throws systemd out | 05:30 |
| gnarface | ServiceRobot: don't get me wrong i'd still pick it over any version of Ubuntu to put in production, but ascii is significantly more stable | 05:30 |
| ServiceRobot | ya, but I'd like to avoid sysvinit as well. mind you I'd take it over systemd but if there's an option to use openrc instead... | 05:30 |
| gnarface | right | 05:31 |
| ServiceRobot | from what I can tell in ascii it just builds upon sysvinit | 05:31 |
| gnarface | like i said, should be there in expert mode of the installer (note, NOT the live image) | 05:31 |
| gnarface | oh | 05:31 |
| gnarface | i know what you're talking about | 05:31 |
| gnarface | yea i think the openrc install in ascii preserves a bunch of sysvinit scripts for compatibility | 05:31 |
| ServiceRobot | in version 0.34 openrc has openrc-init that allows me to replace /sbin/init? | 05:31 |
| gnarface | i guess i don't know that much about it, sorry | 05:32 |
| ServiceRobot | blagh, I'd like to dump sysvinit | 05:32 |
| gnarface | you need to talk to someone in here who's actually using openrc | 05:32 |
| gnarface | openrc is cute, but i actually like sysvin it | 05:32 |
| gnarface | *sysvinit | 05:32 |
| gnarface | what i don't like, are poorly written init scripts | 05:32 |
| gnarface | but they're super easy tof ix | 05:32 |
| gnarface | *to fix | 05:32 |
| ServiceRobot | from the usage and what others have said, isn't it "on the way out"? | 05:32 |
| gnarface | i keep hearing that said, but then i ask around in a panic and find out that if it's official talk, it's being officially hidden | 05:33 |
| gnarface | i suspect at this point that's just wishful thinking | 05:33 |
| ServiceRobot | my pipe dream is runit support. if devuan had a system like artix I'd help in a heartbeat | 05:33 |
| ServiceRobot | but openrc is a close second | 05:33 |
| furrywolf | we are borgd. you will be assimilated. | 05:34 |
| ServiceRobot | lol | 05:34 |
| gnarface | ServiceRobot: you know that runit is in the repo too, right? | 05:34 |
| golinux | DocScrutinizer05: Don't quite get what you're asking | 05:34 |
| ServiceRobot | yes, but it doesn't have the same support as Artix or Void, no? | 05:35 |
| gnarface | i can't answer that, sorry | 05:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | golinux: there was a debate about a pending topic update | 05:35 |
| ServiceRobot | I tried using runit once by slapping void's configuration onto devuan manually, and I did get it to work to a degree | 05:35 |
| ServiceRobot | but ran into other problems I can't remember | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2 days ago | 05:36 |
| golinux | Haven't given it a thought actually. Been de-spamming gdo prior to the migration to the new server. | 05:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [04.08.18 08:41:08] <DocScrutinizer05> golinux: btw chanops can edit /topic [04.08.18 08:44:37] <golinux> I need to get off my a$$. Been sitting too long. biab | 05:37 |
| golinux | Sorry. | 05:37 |
| golinux | I'm still sitting and my but is getting sore. | 05:38 |
| golinux | butt really | 05:38 |
| ServiceRobot | well I don't plan to run a full on desktop on ceres. I like to avoid overhead for servers. I'm assuming it should run fine for my needs? | 05:38 |
| gnarface | yes, the big difference between ceres and ascii will be just the difference between ubuntu and debian; you lose the guarantee that they tried not to put broken shit in the repo | 05:39 |
| golinux | ServiceRobot: Part of the problem is that there are newer packages in ascii than in ceres | 05:39 |
| gnarface | yea, it's worth noting some of the devuan patches have skipped testing due to beowulf not being testworthy yet | 05:39 |
| gnarface | so you'll lose those too, i forgot about that (thanks golinux) | 05:40 |
| ServiceRobot | oh, ceres is even older huh. ya, that might pose a problem | 05:40 |
| gnarface | just a couple packages | 05:40 |
| golinux | That's changing. Work will be introduced in ceres in the future | 05:40 |
| gnarface | golinux: what were the packages? just dbus and polkit stuff right? he wouldn't need those if he's not using a desktop, right? | 05:40 |
| ServiceRobot | maybe I should keep waiting then. *sigh* seems it'll be a few more years before choices become viable for me | 05:40 |
| golinux | I have no idea. | 05:40 |
| gnarface | ServiceRobot: it is my professional advice that you go with ascii and just be happy with it for 2-3 years | 05:41 |
| golinux | ServiceRobot: You could try ASCII > Beowulf + backports | 05:41 |
| ServiceRobot | that sounds like it would introduce instability real quick | 05:41 |
| golinux | But open RC does work on ASCII. There is discussion on the forum | 05:42 |
| ServiceRobot | mind you I'm very tempted since getting game servers working requires libraries that other distros I've tried don't have | 05:42 |
| golinux | Depends what you need | 05:42 |
| ServiceRobot | it works on top of sysvinit? I guess I just need to take what I can get | 05:42 |
| ServiceRobot | one other thing I'm curious about though. I read somewhere that libsystemd0 had to be readded? | 05:43 |
| gnarface | like i said, i don't think the openrc in ascii works on top of sysvinit. i think it just contains a bunch of the same init scripts to preserve their interface functionality. | 05:43 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=2247 | 05:44 |
| gnarface | libsystemd0 couldn't be completely removed, but it's currently believed to be safely vestigial | 05:44 |
| golinux | You can search for more | 05:44 |
| ServiceRobot | right, but then at that point what is the difference between devuan and debian? wasn't the point to purge systemd? | 05:44 |
| gnarface | systemd is a running userspace daemon | 05:44 |
| gnarface | libsystemd0 *IS NOT* | 05:44 |
| golinux | We are working on a way to remove it without having to repackage everything (which we don't have the (wo)man power to do. | 05:45 |
| gnarface | systemd was purged, that was accomplished | 05:45 |
| ServiceRobot | so it's just a compatibility package for packages that use the library then? | 05:45 |
| gnarface | yes | 05:45 |
| ServiceRobot | are there future plans to eventually remove it as well? | 05:45 |
| golinux | https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=1925 | 05:45 |
| gnarface | man power willing | 05:46 |
| golinux | ServiceRobot: ^^^ link above explains it | 05:46 |
| gnarface | we're talking about literally thousands of packages here | 05:46 |
| ServiceRobot | alright, gimme a minute to read it. I want to make sure I'm informed so I don't spout crap in other places | 05:46 |
| golinux | gnarface: (wo)man power, please. :) | 05:46 |
| gnarface | right right, sorry | 05:47 |
| gnarface | force of habit | 05:47 |
| golinux | Hehehe | 05:47 |
| gnarface | it's just muscle memory in my fingers at this point | 05:47 |
| ServiceRobot | I see a lot of nasty stuff said about this distro on reddit and forums. I want to decide for myself | 05:47 |
| gnarface | 90% of it is paid astroturfing | 05:47 |
| gnarface | the other 10% is just people with weak will | 05:47 |
| golinux | When people are threatened they strike out | 05:47 |
| ServiceRobot | what makes you say that? | 05:48 |
| golinux | That is a very common response | 05:48 |
| golinux | Especially if it's ideas | 05:48 |
| gnarface | basic psychology | 05:48 |
| golinux | people cling to them and jump to defend them. | 05:49 |
| golinux | basic stupidity | 05:49 |
| gnarface | you only have to take ONE psych class to learn that stuff, it's a bit scary how rare that is to actually do | 05:49 |
| golinux | I've gotta get back to work de-spamming our gitlab | 05:49 |
| ServiceRobot | oh, you guys are moving to gitlab? | 05:50 |
| golinux | We run on our gitlab installation | 05:50 |
| gnarface | it's a private instance, ServiceRobot https://git.devuan.org/ | 05:50 |
| ServiceRobot | ah | 05:50 |
| golinux | We run most everything on our own infra. These days you can't entrust it elsewhere | 05:51 |
| ServiceRobot | one other thing I was considering was installing debian and simply purging systemd myself... but the support for other inits like openrc turned me off from that idea | 05:51 |
| ServiceRobot | or lack there of | 05:52 |
| ServiceRobot | ah I see. so the whole debacle with libsystemd0 is overblown then | 05:54 |
| ServiceRobot | also, currently I'm giving Hyperbola a spin and I quite like what it's aiming for, but for some software I've tried it doesn't work properly | 05:55 |
| ServiceRobot | so Devuan is really my only alternative unless I go with Debian | 05:55 |
| ServiceRobot | or I wait for the devs on the issue tracker to fix the things I've reported. might as well help them even if I switch | 05:56 |
| ServiceRobot | welp, I think I might give devuan another try now that ascii is released. I probably shouldn't mess with ceres for a couple more months | 06:03 |
| gnarface | i think that's the safest choice | 06:04 |
| ServiceRobot | ya, mind you I really am liking Hyperbola since I honestly like pacman more than apt, buuut this distro has way more support so I think I have to cave | 06:05 |
| ServiceRobot | also what are your opinions on btrfs with snapper? I tried it out and quite like it | 06:06 |
| gnarface | haven't tried btrfs yet, haven't heard of snapper | 06:07 |
| ServiceRobot | snapper uses btrfs to take snapshots | 06:07 |
| gnarface | of all the people i've asked who are using btrfs themselves, most of them say it's not ready for production yet | 06:07 |
| ServiceRobot | really? from reading online a lot of those responses seem outdated | 06:08 |
| ServiceRobot | it seems like it's been stabilized | 06:08 |
| gnarface | it could be better now, it could have changed in the last 6 months | 06:08 |
| gnarface | it was getting close | 06:08 |
| ServiceRobot | https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Status | 06:08 |
| ServiceRobot | seems to be okay for the most part | 06:08 |
| ServiceRobot | I use it on my USB for booting multiple different distros | 06:09 |
| ServiceRobot | for installation | 06:10 |
| ServiceRobot | it works quite well | 06:10 |
| gnarface | eh, i'd still be hesitant to use it in production | 06:10 |
| ServiceRobot | well I don't know about production, but for personal server use I'm liking it | 06:10 |
| gnarface | but then i'd even be hesitant to use ext4 in production after the problems that have cropped up with it over the last couple years | 06:10 |
| ServiceRobot | problems with ext4? but ext4 is the standard? | 06:11 |
| gnarface | yea, i hate it when that happens | 06:11 |
| ServiceRobot | when something becomes defacto? | 06:11 |
| gnarface | when it does but doesn't deserve to | 06:11 |
| ServiceRobot | lol. like GNOME? | 06:12 |
| gnarface | hah yea | 06:12 |
| ServiceRobot | I tried using GNOME once when I first moved to linux | 06:12 |
| ServiceRobot | whenever I tried to figure out how to modify it, I always got "just use extensions" | 06:12 |
| ServiceRobot | that was a red flag | 06:12 |
| gnarface | well, software in linux tends to be made by the people who want it | 06:13 |
| ServiceRobot | thing is it's it not defacto, people will use the "it's not official so how can you trust it" argument | 06:13 |
| ServiceRobot | it's a catch 22 | 06:13 |
| gnarface | so GNOME was made by people who thought Enlightenment was too complicated, and the way to fix that was by making it more complicated | 06:13 |
| gnarface | the result is... utterly expected | 06:13 |
| ServiceRobot | I just want a modular desktop where I can remove and add whatever I want. change the file manager, panel, etc to whatever I want | 06:14 |
| ServiceRobot | only de I've found that does this is XFCE | 06:14 |
| gnarface | yea i think it's starting to get there | 06:14 |
| ServiceRobot | mind you XFCE has some problems I wish were resolved but I've been able to work around them | 06:15 |
| ServiceRobot | I would diffidently use KDE if the theme support was better and it was MUCH more modular | 06:15 |
| ServiceRobot | same with Cinnamon | 06:15 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | (btrfs) SLES using it as default now, afaik | 06:16 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | for sure OpenSuse suggested it per default since quite a while now, like over a year | 06:17 |
| ServiceRobot | huh. wasn't aware of that. never used OpenSuse before though | 06:18 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I'm using a btrfs-RAID1 on my 1.8TB /home | 06:21 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | wouldn't do that again. Too large | 06:21 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | you want smaller btrfs volumes, like maybe 50GB max | 06:21 |
| ServiceRobot | I thought it would be better since they're dynamically sized. better than partitioning /home from what I can tell | 06:22 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | don't get me wrong, it works fine, just some tools tale forever on a volume of that size | 06:22 |
| ServiceRobot | depends on the use case | 06:22 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | also taje damn care you're not backing up the .snapshot dirs! | 06:24 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | take* | 06:24 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | a careless `cp -a /home /mnt/backup/home" could easily cost you a lot of your hair | 06:25 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | and unlike (sym)links not even tar knows to deal with btrfs dup files in snapshots | 06:26 |
| ServiceRobot | I use snapper so that shouldn't happen | 06:26 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | so df and du are also a tad tricky | 06:27 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | sorry? snapper is related how here? | 06:27 |
| ServiceRobot | oh, are we still talking about btrfs? | 06:27 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | yep | 06:28 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | maybe snapper can do file snapshots for backup purposes, don't know | 06:28 |
| ServiceRobot | It can create and compare snapshots, revert between snapshots, and supports automatic snapshots timelines. very easy to use cronjobs with it | 06:28 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I know | 06:29 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | but how's that related to backups? | 06:29 |
| ServiceRobot | remote backups? | 06:29 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | errr | 06:29 |
| ServiceRobot | snapshots in the way that I have them set up can be used as backups | 06:30 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | are there other backups too? | 06:30 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | lol, good luck with swapping your broken HDD for a new one and restoring data on it, then | 06:30 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | a snapshot is no backup | 06:31 |
| ServiceRobot | well that's 1 situation you can't avoid unless you remotely back up it to another service | 06:31 |
| ServiceRobot | though I use Nextcloud for that. snapshots are for if I fuck up the system myself by accidentally deleting something | 06:32 |
| ServiceRobot | not for harddrive failures | 06:32 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | that's what I use btrfs for too | 06:32 |
| ServiceRobot | for harddrive failures I might as well reinstall the system | 06:33 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | ummm | 06:33 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | where does a system install restore my data? | 06:33 |
| ServiceRobot | I use a different service for restoring documents and other information I like to keep | 06:33 |
| ServiceRobot | just install Nextcloud again and boom, got my files back | 06:34 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | yeah, I gonna get me a nextcloud installation on one of my servers eventually. Not because I need that stuff for backup, there's rsync and whatnot for that purpose. But it's convenient for sharing | 06:35 |
| ServiceRobot | I just use 2 nextcloud providers that I found. very handy and much safer than dropbox | 06:36 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | ugh, providers. Well... | 06:36 |
| ServiceRobot | hey, at least nextcloud has clientside encryption | 06:36 |
| ServiceRobot | so if they become compromised they can't read my data anyway | 06:36 |
| ServiceRobot | also, if you wanna backup your snapshots off-drive, this is another option. never used it though: https://github.com/digint/btrbk | 06:37 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | that's what I wondered if snapper already has it | 06:38 |
| ServiceRobot | snapper doesn't unfortunately | 06:40 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | yeah, but a lot of what btrbk does is already in snapper | 06:42 |
| ServiceRobot | except for remote management | 06:43 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | at least on suse. maybe it's a yast wrapper around snapper | 06:43 |
| ServiceRobot | nah, it seems to be its own thing. maybe better than snapper. idk | 06:43 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | suse42.x came with hourly snapshots OOTB. They nuked that with leap15 | 06:45 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | and when you opened the Yast snapper module, it took a 3h until it read in the complete dir of my 1T8 /home and got responsive again ;-P | 06:46 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | ridiculous when all you want is to restore a 500 byte /home/.snapshots/1362638//me/.kde/share/konversationrc file | 06:50 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I used mc then, got it done in 90s | 06:50 |
| ServiceRobot | well maybe for a single file. but it seems better for whole sets of files/folders | 06:51 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | it=? | 06:51 |
| ServiceRobot | snapper | 06:51 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | sure, it's fine as long as it doesn't think it has to find all diffs between your active filesystem and an arbitrary snapshot you highlight in snapper | 06:52 |
| ServiceRobot | well that's because it doesn't store a complete copy. keeps file sizes down | 06:53 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | alas this was exactly what snapper did as soon as you clicked on a snapshot | 06:53 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | no, that's because devels are idiots | 06:53 |
| ServiceRobot | I don't know if I'd say that | 06:53 |
| ServiceRobot | also click? are you using a ui? | 06:54 |
| golinux | People do use UIs | 06:54 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | I told you I used Yast snapper module | 06:54 |
| ServiceRobot | I see. never used it. I mainly stick to the cli for server use | 06:55 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | and it populates a fully expanded filesystem dirtree, with diffs highlighted, as soon as you select a snapshot | 06:55 |
| ServiceRobot | is that a fault of snapper of the module? | 06:55 |
| ServiceRobot | *or | 06:55 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | which inevitably takes ages on a 1T8 of data in volume | 06:55 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | it obviously is the fault of the part that creates that treeview | 06:56 |
| ServiceRobot | should report it to the devs then | 06:57 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | already did, and they almost agreed to be idiots ;-P | 06:57 |
| ServiceRobot | agreed to be idiots? | 06:57 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | they admitted that's very poor design and needs to get fixed | 06:57 |
| ServiceRobot | well that's progress at least. lol | 06:58 |
| ServiceRobot | you could also try this: https://github.com/ricardomv/snapper-gui | 06:59 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | since... why the heck would I *always* be interested in a fully expanded dirtree with all diff'ing giles tagged, when I select a snapshot to do arbitrary operations on it? | 06:59 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | files even | 06:59 |
| Joerg-Neo900 | particularly when I already know the single file I'm interested in is /home/.snapshots/1362638//me/.kde/share/konversationrc | 07:01 |
| ServiceRobot | does anyone know how to install openrc by default using the debootstrap method? | 08:08 |
| gnarface | did you just try --include=openrc and --exclude=sysvinit? | 08:10 |
| ServiceRobot | oh, well I'm a dumbass if I didn't see that on the wiki | 08:10 |
| gnarface | try the man page | 08:10 |
| ServiceRobot | that would probably have been a better place to look | 08:11 |
| gnarface | i don't even know what's on the wiki | 08:11 |
| gnarface | also, i don't know if that will actually work. i know --include and --exclude are options, but i don't know if you can use them on conflicting packages in that fashion. | 08:11 |
| gnarface | i do know however, that if you chroot in and install openrc after finishing the debootstrap, it should remove sysvinit for you in the process | 08:12 |
| gnarface | or at least.. disable it | 08:12 |
| gnarface | then you could remove it | 08:12 |
| gnarface | but i think it won't actually let you install them concurrently | 08:12 |
| gnarface | as in, it's probably hard to screw this up | 08:13 |
| ServiceRobot | oh really? | 08:13 |
| gnarface | yea | 08:13 |
| ServiceRobot | I thought openrc used sysvinit? | 08:13 |
| ServiceRobot | maybe just certain subpackages | 08:13 |
| gnarface | you should be more worried about how you're gonna make grub find your MBR | 08:13 |
| gnarface | and don't forget that debootstrap won't install a kernel by default | 08:13 |
| ServiceRobot | ah, don't worry. I don't use grub. I use refind | 08:14 |
| gnarface | you'll need one of those to boot, too | 08:14 |
| gnarface | oh, well more power to you | 08:14 |
| ServiceRobot | the interface is nicer in my opinion. easier to configure too | 08:14 |
| gnarface | grub's not my favorite either | 08:17 |
| gnarface | it usually doesn't get in my way anymore so i usually still use it | 08:17 |
| ServiceRobot | thing is refind, as in the name, only supports uefi, which I use by default anyway | 08:17 |
| ServiceRobot | one big reason I choose arch/debian is multiarch support, mainly because of steam.... god they really need to update it already | 08:20 |
| ServiceRobot | if they could just open source the API for downloading games, friends list, chat..... then people could make their own clients | 08:21 |
| gnarface | i gotta be honest with you, i don't think they'd know how to even start | 08:24 |
| gnarface | their linux client doesn't exactly represent top-shelf expertise | 08:24 |
| ServiceRobot | eh, it's certainly better than nothing. if it weren't for it I wouldn't be on linux as much as I am... and by that I mean 100% | 08:24 |
| gnarface | i'm not questioning that it's the best we've got | 08:25 |
| gnarface | i've been fairly excited by the progress myself over the past couple years | 08:25 |
| ServiceRobot | if someone could reverse engineer how it all worked, someone could make a third party client I bet | 08:25 |
| ServiceRobot | I mean I'm already seeing extensions and such for discord even if it's not supported at all | 08:26 |
| ServiceRobot | and yes, I rather be using Matrix but defacto and all that | 08:26 |
| gnarface | i don't trust discord one bit | 08:26 |
| ServiceRobot | same here. their privacy policy makes me want to vomit | 08:26 |
| ServiceRobot | also I think it's sysvinit-core, not sysvinit | 08:31 |
| gnarface | you might be right | 08:32 |
| gnarface | i have sysvinit, sysvinit-core and sysvinit-utils, but sysvinit is marked as transitional | 08:32 |
| ServiceRobot | ya, I saw that too. do I exclude all sysvinit related packages, or just core? | 08:33 |
| ServiceRobot | or will excluding core exclude utils as well? | 08:33 |
| gnarface | damn good question | 08:33 |
| gnarface | Depends: insserv, libaudit1 (>= 1:2.2.1), libc6 (>= 2.16), libeinfo1, libpam0g (>= 0.99.7.1), librc1, libselinux1 (>= 2.6) | 08:33 |
| gnarface | Conflicts: file-rc, sysv-rc | 08:33 |
| gnarface | Replaces: sysv-rc | 08:33 |
| ServiceRobot | hmmm | 08:34 |
| gnarface | maybe it's none of them | 08:34 |
| gnarface | maybe it's actually sysv-rc | 08:34 |
| ServiceRobot | I just need to know what to exclude. I'm pretty sure I can't completely remove sysvinit until ceres I think | 08:34 |
| gnarface | man i've been upgrading this ceres system since it was debian sarge | 08:34 |
| gnarface | god only knows how much cruft i have here | 08:34 |
| ServiceRobot | lol | 08:34 |
| ServiceRobot | I always try to be clean | 08:34 |
| gnarface | i think that the first thing i would try would be to include openrc and see if it is smart enough to block the relevant conflicting packages on it's own | 08:35 |
| ServiceRobot | does openrc actually conflict with sysvinit though? | 08:36 |
| gnarface | it wouldn't have to if it conflicts with one of the dependencies instead | 08:36 |
| gnarface | ah, yes, sysv-rc depends on sysvinit-utils here | 08:37 |
| ServiceRobot | hmm, while I'll just exclude sysvinit-core. I used devuan a couple months back and remember that was what it used | 08:37 |
| ServiceRobot | sysvinit-core depends on sysv-rc and utils it seems | 08:37 |
| ServiceRobot | so just exclude core | 08:37 |
| gnarface | yea, what i'd do is try include openrc and see if that blocks the relevant stuff, and if it didn't, i'd block sysv-rc, or sysvinit-core, or maybe all of the packages with the substring "sysv" in their name, depending on what type of error i got | 08:38 |
| gnarface | your logic might be sound, but in that case i think that it would be sysv-rc you'd want to block instead of sysvinit-core, since sysv-rc is the common ancestor | 08:39 |
| gnarface | i guess i don't know for sure though, i'd just have to try it | 08:39 |
| ServiceRobot | oh, sysv-rc is the root of it all? the debian website makes it hard to see the pattern | 08:39 |
| gnarface | it shouldn't be hard to recognize it blowing up | 08:39 |
| gnarface | but if you run "apt-cache show [package name]" you can see the Depends and Replaces headers and such | 08:40 |
| ServiceRobot | well I'm using debootstrap from arch (arch has it for some reason). I copied the script file from the git and it seems to be working | 08:41 |
| gnarface | interesting | 08:41 |
| gnarface | good for them | 08:41 |
| gnarface | last i'd heard the debian one didn't work with devuan repos | 08:41 |
| ServiceRobot | well it's just debootstrap. I can point it to a url | 08:42 |
| golinux | I have a process xmrigminer that's using 100% cpu and I can't kill itcpu | 16:51 |
| golinux | Sorry that was garbled. Not finding much with a search. | 16:51 |
| djph | knowing zero about it, I'd call it a cryptocurrency miner | 16:54 |
| golinux | djph: The only instance found was in .ttp/a/x86/xmrigMiner but in another user directory! | 17:09 |
| golinux | So why was that running on my default user? | 17:10 |
| djph | dunno. kill it with prejudice. | 17:29 |
| fsmithred | search for xmrig miner and you'll get hits. It is a currency miner. I don't know how to figure out where you got it. | 17:56 |
| mbuf | Which image do I need to use for Asus C201PA-DSO2-PW? Can I flash it to the internal storage? | 19:37 |
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