g4570n | Centurion_Dan: I do not know if they reported it already, these other packages are also affected in the last update of Jessie, like: libpolkitagent-1-0, libpolkit-backend-1-0, libpolkit-gobject-1-0. They report that from a normal user, for example, they do not have the option to turn off the system (they do not have the permissions). | 00:18 |
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lru | Centurion_Dan: thanks! | 00:23 |
lru | yeah, I have the same problem on my laptop... can't turn off system as regular user | 00:24 |
lru | oddly, my desktop doesn't have that problem, running the same devuan | 00:24 |
lru | the buttons are still activated on my desktop | 00:24 |
lru | no biggie.. I have root :-) | 00:25 |
Centurion_Dan | g4570n: I need a tester for that suite of polkit-1 packages | 00:28 |
Centurion_Dan | lru^^ | 00:28 |
lru | unfortunately I don't have my laptop here, and my desktop works | 00:29 |
Centurion_Dan | it requires setting up another repo - | 00:29 |
Centurion_Dan | the line for apt sources is: | 00:29 |
Centurion_Dan | deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan jessie-proposed-security main | 00:30 |
g4570n | Centurion_Dan: I just passed the info to the person who told me the problem, so he can prove it | 00:34 |
golinux | Centurion_Dan: It's not in deb.devuan.org? | 00:37 |
Centurion_Dan | golinux: depends on whether the mirrors actually sync /devuan - for speed either packages.devuan.org (the source of /devuan) or pkgmaster which syncs every couple of minutes. | 00:53 |
Centurion_Dan | I've tested it on my last jessie m/c and it seems ok - but the one test case I couldn't verify is the test that synaptic package manager gets the correct authentication dialogue. | 00:55 |
Centurion_Dan | (my jessie is an upgrade from wheezy and seems to be missing non-essential bits). | 00:56 |
golinux | Centurion_Dan: Neither packages nor pkgmaster is mentioned on the website anymore as of the ASCII release. | 01:11 |
Centurion_Dan | golinux: that's fine - we're talking about testing a security package - to make sure it doesn't break anything. | 02:10 |
Centurion_Dan | Remember we're talking about jessie. | 02:10 |
golinux | Yes, jessie. | 02:20 |
golinux | I dropped a PM to KatolaZ about this in case he needs to tweak something | 02:20 |
golinux | Centurion_Dan: ^^^ | 02:20 |
g4570n | Centurion_Dan: the problem is resolved! :) | 02:22 |
Centurion_Dan | cool | 02:22 |
golinux | I'm too unadventurous to try | 02:23 |
g4570n | Centurion_Dan: we have to stay at: http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan, or can we use the new repos deb.devuan.org for the future? | 02:28 |
golinux | deb.devuan.org in now the default address. | 02:29 |
golinux | in > is | 02:29 |
Centurion_Dan | g4570n: Yes. That was just for the proposed package... I'll put it into the normal jessie-security queue now and everyone else will get it. | 02:31 |
golinux | But I'm not sure if something special needs to be done to pick up the new jessie-proposed-security | 02:31 |
Centurion_Dan | g4570n: you can comment out or delete the jessie-proposed-security line. | 02:32 |
Centurion_Dan | golinux: it will be in jessie-security shortly. | 02:32 |
golinux | Great!! Really appreciate your getting on this asap. | 02:33 |
g4570n | Centurion_Dan: ok, thanks I wanted to know that, to be sure :) | 02:35 |
DocScrutinizer05 | (OT) An experimental peer-to-peer root DNS. https://handshake.org/ | 02:39 |
Centurion_Dan | DocScrutinizer05: their sign-up form is broken. | 02:54 |
DocScrutinizer05 | this is all fresh stuff. I guess they need a few more hours to fix a few flaws | 03:38 |
DocScrutinizer05 | Centurion_Dan: ^^^ https://www.coindesk.com/handshake-revealed-vcs-back-plan-to-give-away-100-million-in-crypto/ | 03:39 |
* DocScrutinizer05 just wonders who told those guys to support systemd :-/ | 03:42 | |
Centurion_Dan | lru: g4570n: golinux: policykit-1 related packages should be in jessie-security now. | 04:50 |
golinux | Thanks Centurion_Dan. It's nice to have you back on deck. :) | 04:58 |
JollyRoger` | Hey Centurion_Dan! | 05:11 |
Centurion_Dan | JollyRoger`: Hey | 05:19 |
Centurion_Dan | Don' | 05:19 |
Centurion_Dan | JollyRoger`: Don't I recognize you from somewhere?? :-P | 05:19 |
JollyRoger` | Ahoy Cap'n! :D | 05:21 |
Criggie | I CAN'T HEAR YOUUUUUUUU!!!!!! | 05:22 |
JollyRoger` | Yarr! I be sailin' the seven seas o' Freenode now! | 05:22 |
JollyRoger` | AHOYYYYYY! | 05:22 |
Centurion_Dan | P.-) | 05:40 |
Demosthenex | had another hard lockup on stable, so i wanted to enable kernel crash dumps (kdump-tools). i installed it and it asked to be enabled. i added the crash parameter to grub, and rebooted. when i tried to trigger a test crash, this is what i got https://bpaste.net/show/c8c3e87d5b28 | 14:32 |
Demosthenex | to my dismay, it also tried to restart every system service and prompted me to unlock all my LUKS devices when it tried to take the crashdump | 14:33 |
Demosthenex | the OS disk is not LUKS. | 14:33 |
Demosthenex | there were two prompt when i did the install initially, one for enable, the second for a sysvinit question, but dpkg-reconfigure didn't bring that back up. maybe i had the wrong answer? | 14:34 |
gnarface | maybe changing your debconf priority will show it | 14:40 |
gnarface | the verbosity of questions dpkg-reconfigure will ask can be adjusted | 14:40 |
Demosthenex | pfft, a purge/reinstall didn't ask either | 14:45 |
gnarface | i forget if you want to change it to min or max, try both | 14:46 |
Demosthenex | ok, it was kexec-tools prompting | 14:49 |
Demosthenex | " If you choose this option, a system reboot will trigger a restart into a kernel loaded by kexec instead of going through the full system boot loader process. Should kexec-tools handle reboots (sysvinit only)? Y/N" | 14:49 |
Demosthenex | that's really not helpful | 14:50 |
gnarface | say no to that | 14:50 |
gnarface | rebootless kernel upgrades | 14:51 |
Demosthenex | i interpreted that as "instead of doing a warmstart, just relaunch the production system using kexec instead of a reboot" | 14:51 |
Demosthenex | and i did say no originally | 14:51 |
gnarface | i'm pretty sure no is the default | 14:51 |
Demosthenex | thus, i'm really confused why the recovery image kdump uses is unlocking LUKS, and starting my databases just to do a cp to /var | 14:51 |
gnarface | hmmm, i can't fathom | 14:52 |
Demosthenex | think about that, i'm trying to capture a crashdump as to why the box died, and while doing so it's tryign to restart my DB's that just crashed in an unsupervised manner | 14:53 |
gnarface | well it certainly sounds like something is wrong | 14:53 |
Demosthenex | yeah, i've had some issues with runaway openzfs threads, i'm pretty sure that's why it crashed, but i didn't have a login running top this time | 14:54 |
Demosthenex | and of course ipmi console isn't responding, system pings but can't login. | 14:54 |
Demosthenex | so have to just reset | 14:54 |
Demosthenex | the only luck i've ever had with getting crash data off linux is when i configure serial consoles and then make other systems record the output constantly :P | 14:55 |
gnarface | you could set up rsyslogd to log over the network to another host | 14:58 |
gnarface | at least then you don't have to mess with serial terminals | 14:59 |
Demosthenex | this is a home/smb environment, this is the only always on host. incidentally it is also the syslog server. | 15:18 |
debdog | FYI: channel topic is outdated | 16:21 |
golinux | debdog: What's outdated? | 16:38 |
debdog | golinux: "Stable (2017-05-25): Jessie 1.0.0 stable" | 16:40 |
golinux | It also has https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 | 16:40 |
golinux | Oops bad c/p | 16:41 |
debdog | okok, *partly outdated :) | 16:41 |
golinux | Ah, I get it . . . should be OLDSTABLE | 16:41 |
debdog | hehe | 16:41 |
golinux | on Jessie | 16:41 |
golinux | DocScrutinizer05: ^^^ | 16:42 |
golinux | Nice catch | 16:42 |
debdog | I was curious why some german site refered to it as ASCII (while I thought it should be Ascii). but on https://devuan.org/ it's spelled ASCII as well | 16:43 |
Demosthenex | so isn't the oldstable LTS? | 16:49 |
Demosthenex | that's the only reason i didn't upgrade yet | 16:49 |
debdog | "The 1.0.0 Jessie release (LTS) has moved to oldstable status." https://devuan.org/ so, I assume it is LTS | 16:50 |
golinux | debdog: The planet name is all upper case | 17:03 |
debdog | yes, confusingly, just found that out myself. | 17:04 |
golinux | https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.htm | 17:04 |
golinux | ASCII had an identity crisis over that for a while. Of course, all lower case in file names to add to the confusion | 17:05 |
detha | and people still wonder why someone prefers '2.0' | 17:32 |
golinux | There are those of us who tend to be number-challenged. ;) | 17:34 |
Criggie | https://www.trademe.co.nz/1721551743 <-- POE power all the lights in your home! IOT! | 23:32 |
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