| Artemis3 | Vall, does older ubuntu works the same? ie 16.04? | 00:23 |
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| mtnman | what is the official package name for the desktop-live image? | 00:47 |
| mtnman | devuan@devuan:~$ pactl load-module module-bluetooth-discover | 03:15 |
| mtnman | Failure: Module initialization failed | 03:15 |
| mtnman | devuan@devuan:~$ pactl list short | grep bluetooth | 03:15 |
| mtnman | ASCII live-desktop | 03:15 |
| * Digit is sure htop's still insisting way higher cpu use since before upgrade and mixing repos for the supposedly right udev/eudev/whatever | 03:21 | |
| gnarface | if patrickr comes back, someone tell him there is an outstanding known issue with resizing jessie-era ext4 filesystems with later versions of the e2fsprogs | 05:18 |
| Digit | dont have a bot in here to do !tell ? | 06:07 |
| furrywolf | /msg memoserv ... | 06:08 |
| debdog | is there something wrong with i386 packages on Devuan Ascii or is it just me? https://dpaste.de/4bL9/raw | 16:13 |
| debdog | (attemting to install winehq-devel https://wiki.winehq.org/Debian) | 16:14 |
| Liebach | Hello. | 16:21 |
| gnarface | debdog: did you have any better luck with the wine-development in the repo? | 16:23 |
| gnarface | Liebach: greetings | 16:23 |
| debdog | LANG=C aptitude install wine-devel | 16:24 |
| debdog | wine-devel is already installed at the requested version (3.13.0~stretch) | 16:24 |
| debdog | oops, wasn't aware this is already installed :D | 16:24 |
| debdog | well, g2g, bbl | 16:24 |
| debdog | is this from the std. devuan repo? gnarface | 16:25 |
| gnarface | that looks like it's from debian | 16:25 |
| gnarface | or something else... | 16:26 |
| gnarface | no that might be winehq | 16:26 |
| gnarface | the one in ceres right now is 3.12-3 | 16:27 |
| debdog | hmm | 16:27 |
| debdog | ok | 16:27 |
| debdog | this wine stuff got really weird in the past few years | 16:27 |
| gnarface | note that development and staging aren't the same in wine | 16:27 |
| debdog | ok | 16:27 |
| gnarface | staging you can only get from winehq or compile yourself, development is slightly more stable and available in the devuan repos natively | 16:28 |
| debdog | I'd prefer the winehq packes, though. since they install into /opt and it's easy to keep an installed version when updating and hence having several wine versions installed | 16:28 |
| gnarface | development probably works for most stuff but some recent changes in WoW need staging patches | 16:28 |
| debdog | well, I'll have another look at it later | 16:28 |
| Lieke | Apparently wine-development from Debian needs systemd though :P | 16:31 |
| Lieke | https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=904041 | 16:31 |
| gnarface | really? | 16:31 |
| gnarface | i haven't tried it in a while | 16:31 |
| gnarface | should be possible to build it without | 16:31 |
| AlexLikeRock | good mornig GNUs ! | 17:00 |
| _stephen_ | Ooh, anyone see this renegade elite thing? a 4gb sbc by the libre computer and firefly people? | 18:46 |
| _stephen_ | I'm thinking it would make a nice devaun desktop. | 18:53 |
| _stephen_ | Suppose an arm64 raspi image would be the thing to boot on it? | 18:54 |
| minnesotags | Freaking unbelievable!!!! I have been struggling with getting sound on my Panasonic Toughbook forever, and all it took was adding "alsactl init" to the tail end of the alsa-utils file in /etc/init.d/ !!!!! Why! Why???? Whhhhhyyyyyy!!!!!!!????????!!!!!!!!! | 20:13 |
| kaun | Hi. Long-time Debian user here (since 2.2 Potato). | 20:40 |
| kaun | I'm here solely because I see SystemD muddying my system to the point that I can't understand it. | 20:41 |
| kaun | What would I lose by moving to Devuan? Apart from what I want to lose ;-) | 20:42 |
| golinux | kaun: Hopefully nothing. | 20:43 |
| kaun | Debian's focus on making packages work together sensibly takes a lot of maintainer effort, I guess; how could Devuan do anything similar? | 20:43 |
| kaun | I'm not talking 3D-animated desktop here. Just the base system + light X. | 20:44 |
| golinux | Except for the packages that Devuan alters, Devian repos are accessible by a merged-redirect | 20:45 |
| golinux | Debian, of course | 20:46 |
| golinux | You can search for available packages here: pkginfo.devuan.org | 20:47 |
| golinux | Packages requiring systemd are banned or repackaged. | 20:48 |
| kaun | Isn't that a big set of packages? | 20:49 |
| golinux | https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/bannedpackages.txt | 20:51 |
| kaun | Thanks. | 20:52 |
| kaun | No GNOME in that list? | 20:55 |
| golinux | Nope | 20:55 |
| kaun | Sorry, I guess repackaged is a separate list. | 20:55 |
| golinux | No one has stepped forward to de-fang it. | 20:55 |
| kaun | Hmmm, awesomewm user here. I was just curious. | 20:56 |
| golinux | I think a few folks have managed to get it running. | 20:57 |
| golinux | Awesome! | 20:57 |
| golinux | We do have network-manager working though I don't understand why anyone would want to use it. LOL! | 20:58 |
| kaun | It beats figuring out dynamic interface names. | 21:11 |
| _stephen_ | what's that have to do with network manager? | 21:22 |
| kaun | It auto-configures for you? I modify /etc/interfaces myself | 21:25 |
| _stephen_ | Interface names change between use? | 21:25 |
| kaun | Yes, for USB networking. | 21:26 |
| _stephen_ | That sounds terrible. | 21:28 |
| _stephen_ | I thought that was fixed when non-usb interface name changing was fixed... | 21:28 |
| kaun | Well, I have run into it on Stretch the past couple of months. | 21:29 |
| _stephen_ | I'll have to read up on this, it seems like something that would bite me some day. | 21:32 |
| _stephen_ | I didn't have any problem with identical pci devices and naming... how is usb different? | 21:35 |
| kaun | Names changed for me for the same device, maybe it was across upgrades ... | 21:36 |
| _stephen_ | Oh, on the same device... similar but maybe different... | 21:36 |
| _stephen_ | I did notice that built-in nics get names like ethX, but my USB dongle is annoyingly enx0015ff... | 21:39 |
| _stephen_ | Out of curiosity, is it preferred to use 'apt' or 'apt-get' when installing packages? | 21:44 |
| _stephen_ | Previously I used apt-get because apt had the scary warning about not being recommended for scripts. | 21:44 |
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