libera/#devuan/ Sunday, 2018-07-15

aitormoin09:55
aitori pushed a new commit of simple-netaid:09:56
aitorhttps://git.devuan.org/aitor_czr/simple-netaid-gtk.git09:56
aitori did a "C" linkage for the backend, and now it's possible to use netinfo(0)/netinfo(1) for the wired/wireless network devices, even being something like wlx2824ff1a179409:58
aitori added extern "C" { gchar *netinfo(int) } to the headers of the GUI09:59
aitor./backend 0 0 -> will give you the name of the wired device10:30
aitor./backend 0 1 -> will give you the name of the wireless device10:31
aitor./backend 0 2 -> will give you a detailed info about the network connection, it will also say you if the wire is plugged/unplugged (not depending on ifplugd or netplugd); this will be useful for the automatically connect option10:32
aitor./backend 1 -> lists all the available active wifis10:33
aitorbtw, congrats to jaromil for his thesis "Algorithmic Sovereignty"10:39
aitori'll be back in a few minuts10:39
aitorhi again11:37
Woodihi11:53
Woodinetaid require root ?11:53
Woodilooking for something simpler then wicd and usable from non-root account11:54
aitorhi, Woodi11:59
aitorthe backend has suid permissions11:59
aitorall of the functions included in netstat.c and iproute.c don't require root permissions, but, if you run the scan_active_wifis() as a mortal user (using KatolaZ's words) you will get only the information concerning to the wifi which you are connected12:03
aitorthe backend will also depend on wpa_suplicant and ip (ip link set <device_name> up/down), that is, iproute2; and also isc-dhcp-client for the connection attempts (dhclient <device_name>)12:06
aitorthose functions require root permissions12:07
aitorthe backend will receive a fifo sent from the frontend, including the essid and the password for the wireless connection12:08
aitorsimple-netaid fixes an existent bug in the netstat icon of wicd12:08
aitorand also removes its dependency on dbus12:09
aitoryou can reproduce this bug in the netstat icon of wicd by the following way:12:10
aitor# wpa_passphrase <device_name> <password>12:10
aitor# wpa_supplicant -B -i<device_name> -c<config_file>12:11
aitor# dhclient <device_name>12:12
aitornow, you will be connected to this network device12:12
aitorafter that, bring down and bring up this device, using iproutes features:12:13
aitor# ip link set <device_name> down12:13
aitor# ip link set <device_name> up12:13
aitorthe debian branch of simple-netaid-gtk is still a work in progress, and git-buildpackage will not work12:15
aitoryou need to run the "build" script12:16
aitoryou also need to install libiw-dev and cmake12:18
aitorit would be interesting to test it with KfreeBSD, does iproute2 exist in this other kernel?12:21
aitorand netlink?12:21
Woodiwow, thanx :)12:23
aitorhope this help :)12:24
aitori'll include it in gnuinos12:25
aitoras jaromil announced in twitter, made with love..12:25
Woodiwill try sources, on debian. but my next installation is planned devuan !12:25
aitordear jaromil :)12:25
aitorneed to go, bbl12:26
hiyahey I was told Stretch version if out?13:03
hiyais*13:03
hiyaCan someone send me screenshot of homescreen?13:04
hiyaHow much RAM does it use vs Gnome Debian Stretch?13:04
fsmithredhiya, gnome uses about twice as much ram as xfce. Shouldn't matter whether it's debian, devuan or some other linux.13:13
hiyafsmithred, Can I use service command or even that is gone?13:13
hiyasystemctl doesn't exist right?13:13
fsmithredright, and yes, you can use the service command13:13
hiyaok13:14
hiyaThanks :D13:14
hiyaI download live ISO and check13:14
fsmithredascii=stretch13:14
hiyaI am coming from PureOS13:14
hiyawhich is debian testing13:14
fsmithredO dpm13:14
hiyabut Stretch will go13:14
hiyado*13:14
hiyaI need something light weight for my laptop13:14
hiyaXFCE = good choice by default13:14
hiyaI love you guys13:14
fsmithredthanks13:14
hiyai will give my next few donations to you directly i promise.13:15
fsmithredI remember a few years ago, debian had a point release that had xfce as the default.13:15
hiyaDebian had XFCE by default?13:15
fsmithredlot of people thought it was a great move, but debian treated it like a mistake13:15
hiyaXFCE = nice and easy13:15
fsmithredsomething to be said for using a UI that's been in use for more than 20 years13:16
hiyaI love Gnome more, but it leaves no RAM and I have found that I don't like use Gnome, I use Apps13:17
hiyaGnome is good for people who utilize it13:18
fsmithredlooks like it belongs on a phone, not a computer13:18
hiyaReally?13:19
fsmithredwell, maybe a tablet, too13:19
fsmithredI'm not into the whole touch-screen fad13:19
AcaciaDebian is a server OS so having an UI at all is a bad idea, but it's fine as long as the user can still pick a commandline-only ISO.13:21
Acaciahiya: If you're willing to go through lots of configuration you might want to try a WM like Openbox, i3, fvwm. Otherwise I recommend trying LXDE/LXQT for a light DE.13:22
fsmithredopenbox with lxpanel is pretty simple and friendly13:24
hiyaAcacia, No I am not14:06
hiyaCan someone help me with default desktop screenshot for latest?14:07
gnarfacewhy don't you try booting a livecd?14:09
gnarfaceor just hit google image search14:09
hiyagnarface, Yes doing it14:09
hiyathanks for now14:10
The_Lord_of_the_hi22:01
aitorwho is the The_Lord_of_t...?22:08
aitorThe Lord of the Swallows?22:08
golinuxaitor: The_Lord_of_the_ was a drive by . . .22:21
MinceRa drive-by greeting22:26
MinceRthose are rare22:26
]BFG[flies lord of lies23:02
aitoronly golinux can run the backend of simple-netaid without granted permissions, our den mather23:08
aitor*mother23:11
aitor JBFG: nothing to do with the Lord of the Flies (William Golding)23:38
aitorhi fsmithred23:46
fsmithredhi aitor23:47
aitorhi :)23:47
fsmithredhow's it going?23:47
aitori'm finishing the third version of simple-netaid, the second version never exited, this is like amplolla!23:49
fsmithredlol23:49
aitoryes:)23:50
aitoris there any relationship between simple-netaid and the neverending story (by Michael Ende)?23:53
fsmithredI would not know23:53

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