| SuicideJunkie | Hi. I was trying to ask about a menu search a few days ago. | 00:03 |
|---|---|---|
| SuicideJunkie | http://imagemodserver.duckdns.org/nick/tempstuff/search.png <-- this was the kind of thing I meant | 00:04 |
| SuicideJunkie | Something to search including descriptions for Bro and Dad who won't know the actual names of apps. | 00:04 |
| golinux | synaptic does something like that | 00:06 |
| aitor | golinux: did you mean to say synapse? | 00:16 |
| golinux | No. I meant synaptic you can search for packages related to a word. | 00:17 |
| aitor | the above screenshot searches for apps related to the word | 00:21 |
| aitor | there is also another one named Albert | 00:22 |
| fsmithred | xfce has an application finder | 00:26 |
| MinceR | there are several search-based launchers like kupfer and katapult | 00:29 |
| aitor | fsmithred: appfinder, or somesuch... but it is an app menu launcher | 00:31 |
| SuicideJunkie | Yeah, I don't want a search for packages to install, but for apps and commands and such already there. | 00:45 |
| gnarface | SuicideJunkie: e17 has something called "run everything" but i don't know if it's portable | 00:46 |
| SuicideJunkie | Launchy sounds like it might be close | 00:47 |
| aitor | i've just updated the repository of gnuinos jessie including newlisp and openrc (both backported from ascii) | 00:47 |
| aitor | time to bed | 00:47 |
| aitor | 00:50 here | 00:47 |
| aitor | bye :) | 00:48 |
| g4570n | aitor: g' night | 00:48 |
| aitor | g4570n: see you this week in #devuan-mx | 00:48 |
| g4570n | ok | 00:48 |
| NewGnuGuy | o/ | 02:32 |
| Xenguy | \o | 02:36 |
| Xenguy | You got the LHP, drat... or did you? | 02:37 |
| Xenguy | I think you did | 02:38 |
| SuicideJunkie | Hrmpf. Launchy isn't searchy enough :( | 02:51 |
| Xenguy | Launchy, is that some Mac thingie? | 02:53 |
| Xenguy | Or a gnome thingie? | 02:53 |
| Xenguy | There's always 'find' | 02:54 |
| Xenguy | hah | 02:54 |
| SuicideJunkie | It was in the package list, possibly under the non-free | 03:04 |
| SuicideJunkie | Problem is you still have to know the proper name of the thing to find it. | 03:09 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | $ npm install | 03:11 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Illegal instruction | 03:11 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 03:11 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | need root to install a simple program ? | 03:11 |
| buZz | illegal instruction means the program isnt right for your architecture | 03:11 |
| buZz | like a 64bit program on a 32bit install | 03:11 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | $ cat /etc/devuan_version | 03:13 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | jessie | 03:13 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | its 32 bit | 03:13 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | well the program /script it amkeit to ubuntu | 03:14 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | head breaker -.- | 03:14 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | make it**** | 03:14 |
| Xenguy | AlexLikeRock_ For me, I've always needed r00t to install software/programs | 03:19 |
| Xenguy | That's proper, as far as I can tell | 03:19 |
| Xenguy | It's definitely about permissions | 03:21 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Xenguy, not alwys , | 03:28 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | some programs are "portables " like TOR | 03:28 |
| Xenguy | right, TOR browser | 03:28 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | some other are build it a binarie | 03:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | no allwys | 03:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | reinstalling NODE.... | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | Sure, but I can't remember the last time I compiled something, even though I still love watching it : -) | 03:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hahahahah | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | 8 ) | 03:29 |
| Xenguy | I stick with apt-get, unless I *really* need to deviate | 03:31 |
| * Xenguy wanders off ... | 03:34 | |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i found the god dam fail! | 03:37 |
| Xenguy | Que? | 03:37 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | its the lazy developer | 03:38 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i386 (32-bit)—not available for all distros and not available for Node.js 10 and later | 03:38 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | x86_64 (64-bit) | 03:38 |
| Xenguy | that 'no 32bit' seems to be gaining traction lately | 03:38 |
| Xenguy | I'm working on migrating to 64bit shortly | 03:39 |
| Xenguy | Feel like a dinosaur, hah | 03:39 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hahah | 03:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | i hace a intel i5 , so... i like 32 bit | 03:42 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | :-/ | 03:42 |
| gnarface | that's a 64-bit chip though... | 03:47 |
| gnarface | there's not a lot of point in running a 32-bit system on it when you can run 32-bit code in a 64-bit system after enabling multiarch | 03:48 |
| gnarface | it might be confusing to enable and add 32-bit dependencies the first time, but it's worth it really | 03:49 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | lol tanks gnarface | 03:51 |
| gnarface | AlexLikeRock_: did you really think that was a 32-bit chip because they shipped a 32-bit copy of windows vista on it or something? | 03:52 |
| gnarface | right around the vista times, hardware vendors had released a bunch of 64-bit chips to market and windows years later still didn't have a 64-bit OS so a lot of people out there with vista-era chips think they only have 32-bit cores, when actually they have 64-bit cores artificially limited to 2GB of ram | 03:53 |
| gnarface | (or 4 if you're lucky) | 03:53 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | no,, jus simple LIKE more 32 bit | 03:54 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | less RAM | 03:54 |
| gnarface | oh, it's nostalgia then? i guess that's fine. | 03:54 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | WELL 5 year back the most % of software they are 32 bit | 03:54 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | well yes, nostalgia | 03:55 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | hahahhaha | 03:55 |
| Xenguy | AlexLikeRock_: yeah, I think 64bit will run just fine on i5 | 04:06 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | COOOL ! | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://github.com/nodesource/distributions#debinstall | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | : | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Supported Devuan versions: | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Jessie (via Debian 8) | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Ascii (via Debian 9) | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | Ceres (via Debian unstable) | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | :-> | 04:29 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | down ??? | 04:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list.d/ | 04:47 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | 404 ! | 04:47 |
| Jjp137 | I think most of the content that was formerly there was moved to: https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list | 04:48 |
| AlexLikeRock_ | tanks dude | 04:49 |
| Jjp137 | np | 04:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | how to avoid ? | 06:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | Message from syslogd@SERVER at Jun 13 15:33:43 ... | 06:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | kernel:[ 262.124538] thermal thermal_zone0: critical temperature reached(100 C),shutting down | 06:39 |
| AlexLikeRock | im compliling :-> | 06:39 |
| gnarface | you need more fans | 06:40 |
| gnarface | something is wrong | 06:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | come on ! | 06:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | hahah | 06:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | welll | 06:40 |
| gnarface | what did the cpu temperature read when that happened? 100C really? | 06:40 |
| SuicideJunkie | Possibly caked with dust or fan not spinning? | 06:40 |
| AlexLikeRock | vendor_id : AuthenticAMD | 06:41 |
| AlexLikeRock | model name : mobile AMD Athlon(tm) XP 1900+ | 06:41 |
| AlexLikeRock | cpu MHz : 662.595 | 06:41 |
| AlexLikeRock | cache size : 256 KB | 06:41 |
| gnarface | i don't think it should be getting to 100 | 06:41 |
| SuicideJunkie | I've seen PCs that made a smokescreen when opening the case in a slight breeze | 06:41 |
| AlexLikeRock | :-P | 06:41 |
| gnarface | it's ok you probably won't have to start the build over... | 06:41 |
| gnarface | not completely | 06:42 |
| SuicideJunkie | And I've heard tell of one that had a whole cat's worth of fur in it after sitting down on a hardwood floor for a couple years | 06:42 |
| AlexLikeRock | 3rth time :-/ | 06:42 |
| gnarface | there's a real risk of cooking the ram | 06:42 |
| gnarface | if you can't get more fans, just open the case | 06:42 |
| gnarface | make sure the cpu fan is actually working | 06:43 |
| gnarface | if you have a regular floor fan you could point at the open side, that would work great in lieu of any other case fans | 06:45 |
| AlexLikeRock | cooking the RAM | 06:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | jejejej | 06:46 |
| AlexLikeRock | buuuuuuuuurn ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!! | 06:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | DAM ! | 06:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | ITS HOOOOOOT ! | 06:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | its all for today | 06:49 |
| AlexLikeRock | im go hell to sleep | 06:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | :P | 06:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | good night DEVUANs | 06:50 |
| AlexLikeRock | FREEDOM ! | 06:50 |
| SuicideJunkie | My new box might be over cooled... it is reporting a CPU temperature of 26C | 06:50 |
| gnarface | those new intel chips run a lot cooler than that athlon xp | 06:51 |
| gnarface | i'm pretty sure 100C is still too much though | 06:51 |
| SuicideJunkie | To be fair it does spike up quite a bit if I run KSP or something, but it is still an amazing number | 06:52 |
| KatolaZ | SuicideJunkie: you need to put more thermal paste | 06:52 |
| KatolaZ | it must have dried out | 06:53 |
| SuicideJunkie | Heh. It is definitely not a lack of paste. Just idling and a giant heatsink & fan. And a cool room. | 06:54 |
| KatolaZ | SuicideJunkie: that's even stranger | 06:57 |
| KatolaZ | sorry | 06:57 |
| KatolaZ | more strange ;) | 06:58 |
| SuicideJunkie | It does run up a bit when I fire up a game, but there are too many cores these days to get any % use. Probably need to run an @home thing to actually give it a workout. | 07:00 |
| SuicideJunkie | Well, goodnight. | 07:05 |
| xm4n | Hello? | 08:10 |
| xm4n | new to Devuan and just made an isntall of 2.0 | 08:10 |
| golinux | Congrats | 08:11 |
| xm4n | thanks. THinking about creating a devuan-gaming system.. | 08:15 |
| xm4n | not too fancy | 08:15 |
| xm4n | creating an ISO of Devuan 2.0 with mostly FOSS games | 08:15 |
| xm4n | Needing game ideas | 08:16 |
| golinux | I play solitaire so no help to you | 08:16 |
| golinux | Sounds like an interesting project though | 08:17 |
| golinux | Bedtime for me | 08:18 |
| xm4n | Thanks, but yeah it'll include that too | 08:18 |
| filipdevuan | hi its wine gnu and free software? | 10:08 |
| xrogaan | wine should be free software | 10:12 |
| filipdevuan | iv got some windows xp games and im wondering if i should download winxp iso or just get wine... | 10:15 |
| xrogaan | which game? | 10:18 |
| Xiaoman | Windows XP is not free software. | 10:18 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: you can check if your games are on https://appdb.winehq.org/ | 10:19 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have gothic 1-3 collection, heroes of might and magic IV, crysis 1, the sims complete edition and games like zoo tycoons they're all really nice games that r just not being played and r in my wardrobe | 10:19 |
| xrogaan | alternatively, playonlinux can help you too. | 10:19 |
| filipdevuan | some of games like gothic 2 had issues runnin | 10:20 |
| filipdevuan | on wine | 10:20 |
| xrogaan | gothic 3 has good rating: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=4015 | 10:20 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it does actually, do you reckon that downloading wine is safe?? | 10:21 |
| xrogaan | yes | 10:22 |
| filipdevuan | im not sure if i want wine on my linux machine xD | 10:22 |
| xrogaan | you should use playonlinux though, it makes it easier. | 10:22 |
| TurBo_biT | Hello guys! | 10:22 |
| filipdevuan | hello | 10:22 |
| xrogaan | Wine Is Not Emulator. And it's perfectly safe on its own. | 10:22 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i think ill get playonlinux instead | 10:23 |
| TurBo_biT | i just come in to congratulate you for your work, and also to say one thing that was very surprising for me (sorry for my bad english) | 10:23 |
| TurBo_biT | I have a samsung notebook pro 9 | 10:24 |
| xrogaan | playonlinux is a tool to help you manage software and wine. It'll install wine. | 10:24 |
| TurBo_biT | its a laptop that have a wacom panel with a pen | 10:24 |
| TurBo_biT | in linux i allways had a problem of ghost pulsations (in the top/right corner of the screen) | 10:24 |
| TurBo_biT | i saw a lot of times this kind of problems with tactile computers | 10:25 |
| TurBo_biT | i tryed a lot of distros, ALL with the same problem | 10:25 |
| TurBo_biT | two days ago, i investigate about systemd, and take the decission to use a distro without it | 10:26 |
| TurBo_biT | so i put devuan in my computer | 10:26 |
| TurBo_biT | and the problems with the ghost pulsations disappeared | 10:27 |
| xrogaan | systemd is cancer. | 10:27 |
| TurBo_biT | so, i think that systemd has a direct relation with the ghost pulsations | 10:27 |
| TurBo_biT | so, i think that systemd has a direct relationship with the ghost pulsations | 10:27 |
| TurBo_biT | just say to you because i suppose that more people are in the same problem | 10:28 |
| TurBo_biT | and, if there are developers here, can investigate about this | 10:28 |
| TurBo_biT | just for these i will install devuan in all my work computers | 10:31 |
| xrogaan | maybe, maybe maybe... the systemd's service died, so the light dropped. But systemd said: "no, you can't do that", and restarted the service which died again. | 10:34 |
| xrogaan | so creating a pulsation thing on the screen, because the service continues to start and die and start and die. | 10:35 |
| xrogaan | TurBo_biT: if it's working now for you, then all is good. | 10:35 |
| TurBo_biT | xrogaan: i don't understand if the problem is what you said, but its clear that was systemd the problem | 10:41 |
| filipdevuan | so i installed playonlinux but it didnt mount virtual c_drive weird... so i removed it | 11:24 |
| xrogaan | there is no "mount", read the doc. | 11:42 |
| xrogaan | it creates a directory specific for each application. Those are "virtual drives" | 11:43 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but when i tried to install two games it said cannot find c_drive | 11:43 |
| filipdevuan | anyway it doesnt matter im playing flare right now ;) | 11:43 |
| xrogaan | check your home directory, there should be a 'PlayOnLinux's virtual drives' syslink to $HOME/.PlayOnLinux//wineprefix/ | 11:44 |
| filipdevuan | i deleted it its fine, i just have to stop thinking about playing windows games and play linux games instead | 11:44 |
| xrogaan | you definitively did something wrong then, 'cause I never had any issue with playonlinux. | 11:45 |
| filipdevuan | i installed it via synaptic package manager | 11:45 |
| filipdevuan | and then just wanted to install tes oblivion and diablo 2 but it said cant install cuz cant find drive_c | 11:45 |
| xrogaan | you're skipping steps. | 11:46 |
| xrogaan | did you launch playonlinux and used the software to install oblivion? | 11:46 |
| filipdevuan | it reports its error all the time when i install the game and then ignore it if pol works lol | 11:47 |
| filipdevuan | okay ill do it again | 11:47 |
| filipdevuan | im downloading 4.2.10-2 version from synaptic manager | 11:47 |
| filipdevuan | Error in POL_Wine | 11:50 |
| filipdevuan | Wine seems to have crashed | 11:50 |
| filipdevuan | If your program is running, just ignore this message. | 11:50 |
| filipdevuan | so i press next | 11:51 |
| filipdevuan | i press use dvd-roms as a installation method | 11:51 |
| filipdevuan | now i have error in POL_Wine error appeared again | 11:51 |
| xrogaan | how do you start the thing? | 11:52 |
| filipdevuan | and now select the main videocard to report i choose nvidia corporation one and then again error in pol_wine wine seems to have crashed now please insert game media into your disk drive and now i get error in fs_check | 11:52 |
| filipdevuan | i get playonlinux through application finder | 11:52 |
| xrogaan | again, you're skipping steps. You do stuff and not telling me. | 11:53 |
| filipdevuan | what stuff i dont skip anything ;/ | 11:53 |
| xrogaan | <filipdevuan> im downloading 4.2.10-2 version from synaptic manager | 11:53 |
| xrogaan | <filipdevuan> Error in POL_Wine | 11:53 |
| xrogaan | what happened between those two lines? | 11:53 |
| filipdevuan | now i press next only when the installation process has finished and i cant see anything is installing and now when i press next | 11:54 |
| filipdevuan | i get that error: Error in POL_System_find_file | 11:54 |
| filipdevuan | drive_c folder does not exist | 11:54 |
| filipdevuan | oh i just installed playonlinux again and then install program and oblivion | 11:54 |
| filipdevuan | so i dont know whats wrong but its fine, there are lots of linux games :D | 11:54 |
| xrogaan | did you open playonlinux? | 11:55 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it is opened all the time and i have install a program thing so i click on it | 11:56 |
| filipdevuan | and i get all these errors that i mentioned during installation | 11:56 |
| filipdevuan | i got that error since beginning with diablo 2 and oblivion Error in POL_System_find_file drive_c folder does not exist | 11:56 |
| xrogaan | did you install wine too? | 11:56 |
| filipdevuan | nah but i installed 3.10s through pol manage wine versions | 11:57 |
| filipdevuan | and i have wine64 installed in synaptic | 11:57 |
| filipdevuan | wine-development | 11:57 |
| filipdevuan | but i didnt install wine seperately, no | 11:58 |
| xrogaan | play on linux crashes when you launch it? | 11:58 |
| xrogaan | do install wine64 from synaptic | 11:58 |
| filipdevuan | no, no i can launch it and it works fine it crashes when during installation process | 11:59 |
| filipdevuan | okay | 11:59 |
| filipdevuan | its installed now | 11:59 |
| filipdevuan | ill try again then | 12:00 |
| xrogaan | you should have a logs directory under .PlayOnLinux. In there several subdirectory for the output of the installers you ran through playonlinux. | 12:01 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i do have them | 12:01 |
| filipdevuan | ok opening | 12:01 |
| xrogaan | Note, use the "install" button in playonlinux and select your software. Those comes with a defined process that will download, install and configure everything for you. | 12:01 |
| filipdevuan | lemme send you a log from oblivion w8 | 12:02 |
| filipdevuan | https://ghostbin.com/paste/zryj9 | 12:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i know i press install a program | 12:04 |
| xrogaan | Apparently it didn't download wine. | 12:06 |
| xrogaan | line 568: /home/filipdevuan/.PlayOnLinux//wine/linux-x86/1.5.28/bin/wine: No such file or directory | 12:06 |
| xrogaan | check if that directory exists: /home/filipdevuan/.PlayOnLinux//wine/linux-x86/1.5.28/ | 12:07 |
| filipdevuan | okay checking | 12:07 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it does | 12:07 |
| filipdevuan | i basically get this no drive_c thing since i first installed POL | 12:08 |
| filipdevuan | and now its Error in FS_Check before Error in POL_System_find_file | 12:09 |
| filipdevuan | drive_c folder does not exist | 12:09 |
| filipdevuan | im clueless :D | 12:09 |
| xrogaan | close POL, delete .PlayOnLinux and restart the software. | 12:10 |
| filipdevuan | u mean restart POL? | 12:10 |
| filipdevuan | oo the folder | 12:11 |
| filipdevuan | okay | 12:11 |
| filipdevuan | ok i deleted it | 12:11 |
| filipdevuan | its refreshing it | 12:12 |
| filipdevuan | okay so should i try install oblivion again then | 12:12 |
| xrogaan | did you get errors again? | 12:13 |
| filipdevuan | no no i opened playonlinux without any problems | 12:13 |
| filipdevuan | ill try to install it again then | 12:13 |
| filipdevuan | so it installed wine and wine gecko and some msi files and i got that again Error in POL_Wine | 12:14 |
| filipdevuan | Wine seems to have crashed | 12:14 |
| filipdevuan | If your program is running, just ignore this message. | 12:14 |
| filipdevuan | but i pressed next and now its how much memory in mb does your graphics board have so i press 2048 | 12:15 |
| filipdevuan | and error again | 12:15 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i get the same errors again | 12:15 |
| gnarface | when you exit wine, even if you're running through playonlinux, there's some wineserver processes left over. they take a little extra time to exit but they don't always. and, if you start wine again before they exit then you might have misbehavior | 12:15 |
| gnarface | it could be the issue | 12:16 |
| gnarface | but also playonlinux isn't very good quality | 12:16 |
| xrogaan | the wine version used by the script might be outdated too. | 12:17 |
| filipdevuan | it doesnt matter that issue wouldnt have existed if it wasnt windows games but there lots made for linux | 12:17 |
| gnarface | i ended up resorting to managing separate WINEPREFIX directories manually and just always using bleeding-edge wine | 12:18 |
| gnarface | it was not greatly reliable but better than playonlinux | 12:18 |
| filipdevuan | its fine its just windows games... | 12:18 |
| gnarface | you're right though, we have literally thousands of linux games available now, something i never expected to live long enough to see | 12:19 |
| filipdevuan | but i like diablo 3 though :(. | 12:19 |
| filipdevuan | yeah, exactly i play flare now its something like diablo | 12:19 |
| gnarface | oh, if you want to play Blizzard games you need the latest wine-staging | 12:19 |
| gnarface | they have some new DRM that breaks in everything earlier | 12:19 |
| gnarface | i think i've heard people call "Torchlight 2" a good diablo substitute that has native linux support | 12:20 |
| filipdevuan | nah its okay imj fed up with online games | 12:20 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have never played it before really it has native linux support, but is it digital only?? | 12:20 |
| filipdevuan | i know that there are lots of linux games on steam, but i dont really like using steam :/ i dont trust this app | 12:21 |
| gnarface | yea you shouldn't trust it | 12:21 |
| gnarface | but you can take extra steps to secure it better | 12:21 |
| xrogaan | yeah, the wine defined in the install script is too old | 12:21 |
| filipdevuan | you mean in the pol install script? | 12:22 |
| filipdevuan | it happens evenw hen i install 3.10 wine | 12:22 |
| filipdevuan | the trouble is im just used to windows games too much and they're designed to be played all the time you know like one game that you will never ever complete and even finish it im fed up with em | 12:23 |
| filipdevuan | brb | 12:23 |
| xrogaan | Click "configure" in the main POL window. Select the virtual drive under which you want to install oblivion. Under the "general" tab, change the wine version to the one existing on the system. | 12:24 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i changed wine version to 3.10 but i dont know where to select virtual drive | 12:26 |
| xrogaan | told you | 12:27 |
| xrogaan | configure > in the left column there is a list of virtual drives. | 12:27 |
| filipdevuan | you mean elderscroll4_oblivion default etc | 12:27 |
| filipdevuan | ? | 12:27 |
| xrogaan | yeah | 12:28 |
| xrogaan | select the elderscroll one | 12:28 |
| filipdevuan | i have make a new shortcut from this virtual drive here | 12:28 |
| filipdevuan | so i press it and i get that: Error in POL_SetupWindow_shortcut_creator | 12:29 |
| filipdevuan | Prefix : /home/filipdevuan/.PlayOnLinux//wineprefix/TheElderScrolls4_Oblivion does not exist i messed things up i think | 12:29 |
| xrogaan | instead of running to POL script, you could run the installer from the drive. | 12:29 |
| xrogaan | <filipdevuan> i have make a new shortcut from this virtual drive here < why? | 12:29 |
| filipdevuan | open with playonlunux?? | 12:29 |
| xrogaan | yeah! | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan | i dont know probably has something to do with previous 'installations' | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan | ok ill try | 12:30 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i pressed it it read dvd-rom for a while and then stopped and nothing has happened :D | 12:31 |
| xrogaan | anyhow, it would be easier for you to understand bash then open the oblivion install script and understand what they are trying to do. | 12:31 |
| xrogaan | Then do that process by yourself. | 12:31 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it would, im pretty sure :D | 12:32 |
| xrogaan | https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-47-The_Elder_Scrolls_IV__Oblivion.html | 12:32 |
| xrogaan | an updated script uses win 2.18 instead fo 1.5.28 | 12:33 |
| xrogaan | which you could use. Copy the source, save into a file and use "Tools -> run local script" | 12:34 |
| xrogaan | downloading external libraries can take some time though, so wait a bit if nothing seem to happen. | 12:35 |
| xrogaan | > https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-47-The_Elder_Scrolls_IV__Oblivion.html | 12:35 |
| filipdevuan | ok im getting there | 12:36 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but it says it cant find POL_x commands | 12:36 |
| filipdevuan | i dont know.. | 12:38 |
| filipdevuan | its weird because when it says virtual drive is being installed then it crashes and nothing happens i dont know why but i dont care about it anymore ;D | 12:39 |
| xrogaan | if it outputs 'bash: POL_Wine : command not found' you have other issues. | 12:42 |
| xrogaan | if it's not a command not found, then I don't know what you mean. | 12:42 |
| filipdevuan | bash: POL_GetSetupImages: command not found | 12:43 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have lots of issues anyways ;D, who caresXD | 12:43 |
| filipdevuan | thanks anyways for help;D it doesntmatter tho | 12:44 |
| filipdevuan | im not even using windows now so fk windows games honestly | 12:46 |
| filipdevuan | i wonder where i can get torchlight2 | 12:47 |
| xrogaan | SetupImages that's not important | 12:48 |
| filipdevuan | maybe i should try to install POL THROUGH Deb files: | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan | PlayOnLinux: PlayOnLinux_4.2.12.deb | 12:49 |
| xrogaan | it's just some fluff for POL gui | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan | i dont know if im wheezy user tho | 12:49 |
| filipdevuan | Wheezy users : You must install the package wine:i386 to get PlayOnLinux working | 12:49 |
| xrogaan | debian wheezy* | 12:50 |
| filipdevuan | ill try to reinstall it | 12:50 |
| xrogaan | it's debian 7 ain't it? Old old debian. | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan | oh i dont really know im new to linux ;P | 12:51 |
| xrogaan | you could use the generic package and run it from your home directory. | 12:51 |
| filipdevuan | however i love how it runs i have 10 apps open and i get no 0,1 delay when opening new apps which is sick | 12:52 |
| xrogaan | yeah | 12:52 |
| xrogaan | much ram? | 12:52 |
| filipdevuan | it just funny 4GB ram DDR4 LOL. its not even 8GB or 16GB, still its something i can dream about on windows 10 xD | 12:53 |
| xrogaan | if you have enough ram, the slow point will be your hard drive. | 12:53 |
| filipdevuan | i have 1TB HDD and i dont even know how i can use that storage | 12:53 |
| xrogaan | that is, loading data from a slow drive. | 12:53 |
| filipdevuan | this devuan xfce works like a dream supermachine. linux mint was similar but it was a bit slowlier, fedora linux was much slowlier compared to devuan im quite surprised how quick my laptop is right now... | 12:54 |
| xrogaan | if you try to start firefox, thunderbird and steam at the same time and watch how it goes with htop, you'll notice several process with a "D" status. That stand for "disk starved". | 12:54 |
| xrogaan | or disk sleep? | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan | D status reminds me of systemd xD | 12:55 |
| xrogaan | means it's waiting of disk I/O to continue. | 12:55 |
| xrogaan | s/of/on/ | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan | id install steam just to play games but i dont like it when it runs on my machine all the time | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan | what does it mean s/of/on?? | 12:55 |
| xrogaan | substitute of for on | 12:55 |
| filipdevuan | oh right. well i wouldnt mind playing games on windows 10 but i just runs too many useless processes in a background that slows the experience down a lot | 12:56 |
| filipdevuan | so games should work better on linux this is logical | 12:56 |
| filipdevuan | it just runs* | 12:57 |
| filipdevuan | i hate that when useless processes like antivirus or windows search or stuff like that consume too much RAM ;/ | 12:57 |
| filipdevuan | okay i dont know how to run .deb files :< | 12:58 |
| djph | filipdevuan: dpkg | 12:59 |
| filipdevuan | so dpkg x.deb ?? | 13:00 |
| xrogaan | man dpkg | 13:00 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: whenever somebody ask you to run some command, try to read the manual of that command first. | 13:00 |
| xrogaan | to be sure of what it does. | 13:01 |
| filipdevuan | okay i will, thanks | 13:01 |
| xrogaan | man support search with / | 13:01 |
| xrogaan | like /install | 13:02 |
| xrogaan | then press n to get the next matched string. p to go to the previous one | 13:02 |
| xrogaan | so, if you understood what I just told you. You should launch man man. | 13:03 |
| xrogaan | :P | 13:03 |
| filipdevuan | i type dpkg -i Playonlinux_4.2.12.deb and i get this dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process | 13:03 |
| filipdevuan | :( | 13:03 |
| xrogaan | synaptic is open | 13:03 |
| filipdevuan | oh right... | 13:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah... | 13:04 |
| xrogaan | or you're not starting with sydo? | 13:04 |
| xrogaan | sudo* | 13:04 |
| filipdevuan | okay its installing. no i dont but i get into su first and then dpkg | 13:04 |
| filipdevuan | but well | 13:04 |
| filipdevuan | PlayOnLinux is unable to find the 32bit OpenGL libraries. | 13:05 |
| filipdevuan | You may encounter problems with your games | 13:05 |
| filipdevuan | xD | 13:05 |
| filipdevuan | sorry | 13:05 |
| filipdevuan | yea okay i got it with the man support search with / thanks :) | 13:06 |
| filipdevuan | i give up with POL | 13:07 |
| xrogaan | you'll be back （￣へ￣） | 13:09 |
| filipdevuan | to POL? :P | 13:11 |
| xrogaan | the scripts are a mess, really. But under it there is a good base to automate the installations of dependencies. | 13:12 |
| xrogaan | so if you figure out how to run your own scripts, you'll be fine. | 13:12 |
| xrogaan | It's a process. | 13:12 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but what scripts?? | 13:12 |
| xrogaan | > https://www.playonlinux.com/en/app-47-The_Elder_Scrolls_IV__Oblivion.html | 13:13 |
| xrogaan | click on "> SOURCE" | 13:14 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i think i know what u mean | 13:14 |
| filipdevuan | well yeah i have no idea how to run these xD | 13:15 |
| xrogaan | in POL's window, tool menu > run local script. | 13:15 |
| xrogaan | you probably want the one from lazalatin | 13:16 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but i need to download it first then | 13:18 |
| filipdevuan | ok im on it | 13:19 |
| filipdevuan | hi redhat xD | 13:19 |
| xrogaan | you don't need to try ad nauseam | 13:20 |
| filipdevuan | it downloads some directx now but i still get crashes during installation ;/ | 13:21 |
| filipdevuan | but well im gonna let u know if it changed something this script from this guy | 13:22 |
| xrogaan | it should launch the oblivion install process before the directx install | 13:24 |
| xrogaan | some GOG Games use wine to run on linux, by default. They install themselves with wine :P | 13:25 |
| filipdevuan | https://ghostbin.com/paste/mr22s | 13:25 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but it doesnt cuz it crashes all the time | 13:25 |
| filipdevuan | anyways im going to have a breakfast now be right back | 13:26 |
| xrogaan | I don't know, your problem is weird. | 13:29 |
| xrogaan | try the #playonlinux channel | 13:29 |
| xrogaan | or other help medium :p | 13:30 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it is | 13:31 |
| filipdevuan | okay i will xD | 13:31 |
| xrogaan | (don't expect a quick answer though) | 13:33 |
| filipdevuan | no prob :P | 13:34 |
| filipdevuan | thanjs xrogaan :D | 13:34 |
| filipdevuan | thanks* | 13:34 |
| filipdevuan | i think i post about it on forum as well | 13:59 |
| xrogaan | good idea | 14:12 |
| filipdevuan | oh god they banned me | 14:23 |
| filipdevuan | brb reboot | 14:23 |
| filipdevuan | anyways im gonna just install wine then and try to install oblivion without pol | 14:27 |
| filipdevuan | okay i did something wrong in terminal how can i delete docker.list from /etc/apt/sources.list.d what command is it to delete from it | 14:39 |
| djph | rm | 14:40 |
| filipdevuan | okay its rm yeah thanks :) | 14:40 |
| filipdevuan | is devuan debian jessie?? | 14:43 |
| filipdevuan | ok i think i have ascii one | 14:44 |
| filipdevuan | @xrogaan okay i managed to get winehq from terminal downloading somehow | 14:54 |
| filipdevuan | i remember when i wanted to buy gaming tablet that is android its a good thing that i never bought it and bought a win10 laptop that has now devuan installed i have so many games to play that iv never played before xD | 15:10 |
| buZz | :) | 15:12 |
| buZz | filipdevuan: also, steam works on devuan ;) if you have good GPU sup;poport | 15:13 |
| buZz | support* | 15:13 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i do i dont trust steam though i think it kills my laptop this app does | 15:14 |
| filipdevuan | same with windows 10 and league of legends when i had them installed my laptop started to run slowlier, much slowlier... | 15:14 |
| filipdevuan | okay i installed tes oblivion now under winehq gotta see if it works | 15:15 |
| filipdevuan | okay it doesnt i get that error... Unhandled exception: page fault on read access to 0x00000000 in 32-bit code (0x00408151). | 15:15 |
| xrogaan | banned you? | 15:27 |
| filipdevuan | yeah cuz i made a post without log and some spam detector just banned me | 15:28 |
| xrogaan | on the forums? | 15:28 |
| filipdevuan | anyway it seems like im having issues with rendering 3d under wine with oblivion and diablo 2 | 15:28 |
| filipdevuan | on the servers | 15:28 |
| xrogaan | do you have the proper GPU drivers then? | 15:29 |
| filipdevuan | i have nouveau ones | 15:29 |
| filipdevuan | i tried to install em yesterday but i had some stuff with server x or somethin ;/ | 15:30 |
| filipdevuan | i havent got much luck with running windows games xD | 15:30 |
| xrogaan | You haven't got much luck having a nvidia card. | 15:31 |
| filipdevuan | well yeh... iv got intel one and nvidia cuz it has two | 15:31 |
| xrogaan | run glxgears in a terminal | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | however i was able to run games under wine when on linux mint | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | ok | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | You have new mail in /var/mail/root | 15:32 |
| xrogaan | yeah, not under root | 15:32 |
| filipdevuan | yeah its same without an mail thing | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | glxinfo | grep render < should tell you if direct rendering is active. | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | glxgears should give you FPS | 15:33 |
| filipdevuan | i get same info | 15:33 |
| filipdevuan | its missing | 15:33 |
| xrogaan | you have an integrated intel GPU? | 15:34 |
| filipdevuan | yeah as well as nvidia one i have two graphics card ;/ | 15:34 |
| filipdevuan | it is probably drivers when i was using linux mint i had them preinstalled. i was able to choose between different cars when i was on mint | 15:35 |
| filipdevuan | cards* | 15:35 |
| filipdevuan | now i have nvidia x server settings installed but when i run them i get you do not appear to be using the nvidia x driver. please edit your x configuration file (just run 'nvidia-xconfig' as root) and restart the X server | 15:36 |
| xrogaan | could you pastebin lspci | grep intel ? | 15:37 |
| filipdevuan | yeah sure | 15:37 |
| xrogaan | you may need to blacklist intel drivers, force the integrated chip to not be used. | 15:38 |
| filipdevuan | well i type that to terminal but nothng happens | 15:38 |
| filipdevuan | yeah probably :D | 15:38 |
| xrogaan | huh | 15:39 |
| xrogaan | lspci -v | grep -C 10 -i vga | 15:39 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it seems to me like my laptop is windows 10 too much | 15:39 |
| filipdevuan | https://ghostbin.com/paste/qksqt | 15:40 |
| xrogaan | yeah, so you're not using your nvidia card right now. | 15:40 |
| filipdevuan | oh... | 15:40 |
| filipdevuan | this is probably why runescape runs like crap all the time xD | 15:41 |
| xrogaan | you said you had issues with nouveau? | 15:41 |
| filipdevuan | how can i change into nvidia then?? | 15:41 |
| filipdevuan | well no it wasnt issues i rune game runescape 3 and it works really badly, on windows i had more fps using high details than here using low, but its drivers | 15:41 |
| filipdevuan | cuz on linux mint it was working much better runescape 3 | 15:41 |
| filipdevuan | but its drivers or just intel is on all the time | 15:42 |
| xrogaan | I mean at the moment you installed nouveau, did you had issues? | 15:42 |
| filipdevuan | so i thought bad runescape 3 performance is nouveau fault | 15:42 |
| filipdevuan | i think i had nouveau preinstalled i think i dont really know i dont think i was even installing nouveau drivers i thought i have them preinstalled and not non free drivers so i was like runescape3 probably runs so slow because of nouveau | 15:43 |
| filipdevuan | but it seems like its probably intel card is on and not nvidia?? | 15:43 |
| filipdevuan | so its probably not drivers fault but intel gpu running all the time | 15:45 |
| filipdevuan | ill have a search how to change it | 15:45 |
| xrogaan | so if I understand correctly, you need to create a new file under /etc/modprobe.d/ (say /etc/modprobe.d/inte-igpu-blacklist.conf | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | in it, write: blacklist i915 | 15:46 |
| filipdevuan | oook | 15:46 |
| filipdevuan | iw ill | 15:46 |
| filipdevuan | i will | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | that should prevent i915 to be used at all. | 15:46 |
| filipdevuan | its fine | 15:46 |
| xrogaan | So, just in case, make sure you have a way to fix any issue you might encouter afterward. | 15:47 |
| xrogaan | Like have a livecd on hand so you can boot and remove that file. | 15:47 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have liveusb | 15:47 |
| xrogaan | (in case you can't get into a tty at all) | 15:47 |
| filipdevuan | but thing is | 15:48 |
| filipdevuan | i entered this website | 15:48 |
| filipdevuan | https://www.linuxbabe.com/desktop-linux/switch-intel-nvidia-graphics-card-ubuntu | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | before that, you should check if your nvidia card is recognized. | 15:48 |
| filipdevuan | andwhen this guy writes this command he gets 2 graphics card in terminal i only get intel one | 15:48 |
| filipdevuan | yeah exactly | 15:48 |
| filipdevuan | how can i do this, please ;P | 15:48 |
| xrogaan | could you pastebing dmesg? > sudo dmesg | pastebinit | 15:50 |
| filipdevuan | bash: pastebinit: command not found | 15:51 |
| filipdevuan | :D | 15:51 |
| xrogaan | yeah, the fact that your dedicated gpu isn't showing up in lspci is worrisome | 15:51 |
| xrogaan | yeah, install that :P | 15:51 |
| filipdevuan | yeah the nvidia one isnt | 15:51 |
| xrogaan | pastebinit is quite useful. | 15:51 |
| filipdevuan | okay | 15:51 |
| filipdevuan | ok installing ;) | 15:52 |
| filipdevuan | oh i only have that http://paste.debian.net/ | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | basically instead of copy/paste the content of your terminal, you run the command and pipe it to pastebinit. | 15:53 |
| filipdevuan | eyah i get it but i didnt get link to pastebinit but to paste.debian.net | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | pastebinit -l to get the list of pastebin | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | it's fine | 15:53 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have some supported pastebins | 15:53 |
| xrogaan | paste.debian.net expires after 24 hours | 15:54 |
| filipdevuan | but it just empty link there | 15:54 |
| xrogaan | weird | 15:55 |
| filipdevuan | i write sudo dmsesg pastebinit and i get http:/paste.debian.net | 15:55 |
| xrogaan | try with the argument -b dpaste.com | 15:55 |
| filipdevuan | oh yeah maybe my laptop is possessed by government | 15:55 |
| xrogaan | sudo dmesg | pastebinit -b dpaste.com | 15:55 |
| filipdevuan | okay got it http://dpaste.com//0DMC4P8 | 15:56 |
| filipdevuan | quite long though xD | 15:56 |
| xrogaan | it's missing a bit | 15:57 |
| filipdevuan | right... | 15:57 |
| xrogaan | how can you fail dmesg | pastebinit? xD | 15:58 |
| filipdevuan | that happens without sudo dmesg: read kernel buffer failed: Operation not permitted | 15:58 |
| filipdevuan | You are trying to send an empty document, exiting. | 15:58 |
| _j | Hi guys | 15:58 |
| xrogaan | yes, you need to be root to use dmesg | 15:59 |
| filipdevuan | ok i got it yeah i wasnt root | 15:59 |
| filipdevuan | hey | 15:59 |
| _j | Just wondering - What's a el-cheapo OSHW board I could run devuan on? | 15:59 |
| filipdevuan | okay here you go https://paste.debian.net/1029224/ | 15:59 |
| _j | an* | 15:59 |
| _stephen_ | does the pine64 count? _j | 15:59 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: does `head /var/log/dmesg' start with '[ 19.727605] elogind[1787]: Watching system buttons on /dev/input/event0 (AT Translated Set 2 keyboard)' ? | 16:00 |
| filipdevuan | i think i just need install nvidia drivers and disable x server | 16:00 |
| filipdevuan | nah it doesnt | 16:01 |
| filipdevuan | [ 0.000000] Linux version 4.9.0-6-amd64 (debian-kernel@lists.debian.org) (gcc version 6.3.0 20170516 (Debian 6.3.0-18+deb9u1) ) #1 SMP Debian 4.9.88-1+deb9u1 (2018-05-07) | 16:01 |
| xrogaan | they why are the pastebin incomplete? | 16:01 |
| xrogaan | as root: pastebinit /var/log/dmesg | 16:02 |
| filipdevuan | i have no idea LOL | 16:02 |
| filipdevuan | ok | 16:02 |
| buZz | filipdevuan: its usually easiest to just disable the intel one in BIOS | 16:02 |
| filipdevuan | omg so many issues | 16:02 |
| buZz | or if you wanna use both and switch em back & forth, look at 'bumblebee' | 16:02 |
| filipdevuan | yeah buZz but linux doesnt detect any nvidia at all | 16:02 |
| xrogaan | buZz: usually the second vga card is listed through lspci | 16:02 |
| buZz | xrogaan: not sure | 16:02 |
| buZz | i'd never buy such hardware ;) | 16:02 |
| buZz | bumblebee is a tool that can switch em around , anyway | 16:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i wasnt sure what i was buying i was buying windows 10 laptop that would run diablo 3 basically | 16:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah iv heard about bumblebee | 16:03 |
| filipdevuan | ok here it is https://paste.debian.net/1029226/ | 16:03 |
| filipdevuan | btw how do you do this that u msg me and i can see your text in green colour?? | 16:04 |
| buZz | filipdevuan: mention your name in beginning ;) | 16:04 |
| filipdevuan | filipdevuan yeah | 16:04 |
| buZz | the 'green' is just from your client | 16:04 |
| filipdevuan | filipdevuan: yeah | 16:04 |
| filipdevuan | oh ok | 16:04 |
| buZz | probably doesnt work for your own txt | 16:04 |
| filipdevuan | buZz: yeah xD | 16:04 |
| buZz | ^_^ | 16:04 |
| fugitive | yo. Is virtualbox removed from repos? Can't find it | 16:05 |
| _j | _stephen_: the pine64 looks nice, but does it run with blobs? | 16:06 |
| _j | Also it has a mali GPU right? | 16:07 |
| buZz | mali is horrible imho | 16:07 |
| buZz | but, maybe -some day- there will be a proper foss driver for it | 16:07 |
| _j | I'm looking for something primarily with GPIO, which it has; but I might also use it as a "funboard" ;-D | 16:07 |
| _stephen_ | It has the typical arm boot loader binary | 16:07 |
| _j | Oh | 16:08 |
| buZz | _stephen_: lol no | 16:08 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: so here it is https://paste.debian.net/1029226/ xD | 16:08 |
| buZz | there's nothing typical about sunxi booting :P | 16:08 |
| _stephen_ | let me rephrase | 16:08 |
| buZz | beside being typical for sunxi | 16:08 |
| _stephen_ | typical sunxi | 16:08 |
| buZz | :) | 16:08 |
| _stephen_ | is there a way to boot it without that damn binary yet? | 16:08 |
| buZz | no | 16:08 |
| buZz | you mean the SPL binary, right? | 16:08 |
| buZz | no way around that until allwinner starts cooperating more | 16:09 |
| _stephen_ | yeah | 16:09 |
| _stephen_ | I love the hardware, hate that stupid loader | 16:09 |
| buZz | at least its not booting from a blob on GPU :P | 16:09 |
| buZz | lol | 16:09 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: have you installed firmware-linux? | 16:09 |
| _stephen_ | the board has all kinds of undersold features, like a pass through charging circuit, port to hook up a battery for the rtc | 16:09 |
| buZz | sure _stephen_ , many AXP using boards have that | 16:10 |
| buZz | well not the rtc stuff | 16:10 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: okay when i type nvidia-detect it says no nvidia GPU detected. | 16:10 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: no i havent | 16:10 |
| _stephen_ | granted, it's only a few dollars to buy an rtc to hook up to the gpios | 16:10 |
| _stephen_ | but it would be nice to not have to do that. | 16:10 |
| buZz | there is #linux-sunxi channel btw, for discussion on what allwinner boards are best :) | 16:10 |
| _stephen_ | I'm looking at you, raspi! | 16:10 |
| buZz | _stephen_: check my latest ARM system build, its insanely cute | 16:11 |
| buZz | https://nurdspace.nl/Webpotato | 16:11 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: should i install it then?? | 16:11 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: install it, it should pull firmware-misc-nonfree too. | 16:11 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: okay | 16:12 |
| xrogaan | within that, there are various firmware for nvidia | 16:12 |
| buZz | devuan didnt have a arm64 image for sunxi available yet, so running armbian for now | 16:12 |
| xrogaan | then reboot | 16:12 |
| filipdevuan | okay im on it xD | 16:12 |
| _j | buZz: is it possible to port it using the sdk? | 16:12 |
| buZz | sure | 16:12 |
| filipdevuan | im downloading em from synaptic | 16:12 |
| xrogaan | then dmesg / lspci again | 16:12 |
| filipdevuan | ok | 16:12 |
| _j | Otherwise Gentoo sounds like a good option :p | 16:12 |
| buZz | _j: gentoo is never a good option | 16:12 |
| buZz | but , this might work with some small adjustments ; https://github.com/riptidewave93/npn2-debian | 16:13 |
| _j | buZz: if you want a life, I agree ;-) | 16:13 |
| xrogaan | make sure you didn't blacklist i915 yet (you can comment with #) | 16:13 |
| buZz | _j: even if i dont, i dont have the interest to maintain a rolling release distro | 16:13 |
| buZz | its cute that its do-able, its very unproductive to do anything with it | 16:13 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: just dmesg / lspci as a command?? | 16:13 |
| _j | I'm running voidlinux-musl at the moment since gentoo-musl was driving me mad with so much manual patching + funky ebuild wizardry | 16:13 |
| xrogaan | no | 16:14 |
| buZz | the only two options viable are 'devuan' or 'soon to become devuan' | 16:14 |
| buZz | :P | 16:14 |
| xrogaan | command we ran earlier. | 16:14 |
| filipdevuan | yeah yeah gimme a second | 16:14 |
| _j | buZz: normal glibc gentoo-stable is pretty easy to maintain though, it's just musl is treated as a second-class citizen somewhat | 16:14 |
| xrogaan | if you have a xorg.conf, remove it as well. | 16:14 |
| buZz | _j: o | 16:15 |
| buZz | _j: i'm still not interested | 16:15 |
| _j | mmm | 16:15 |
| buZz | and musl -is- a secondclass citizen | 16:15 |
| xrogaan | do the lspci after you reboot, right, so the system loads stuff properly | 16:15 |
| _j | I'd be interested in a devuan-musl variant ;-) | 16:15 |
| buZz | go build it :P i hope you like recompiling packages | 16:15 |
| buZz | just ~40000 to do :P | 16:15 |
| _j | Aye! | 16:15 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: before you reboot, does lspci | grep -i nvidia returns anything? | 16:16 |
| _j | Maybe I could get parazyd on the case, since he's a musl man too | 16:16 |
| xrogaan | (also are you on a laptop?) | 16:16 |
| buZz | i like mussels more than musl | 16:16 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: yeah it does 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 179c (rev a2) | 16:16 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i am | 16:16 |
| buZz | xrogaan: tablet | 16:16 |
| xrogaan | "Device" | 16:17 |
| filipdevuan | yeah laptop | 16:18 |
| xrogaan | no, I mean the type of card isn't recognized. It's a nvidia "device" :P | 16:18 |
| filipdevuan | oh yeah | 16:18 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 16:19 |
| filipdevuan | ahh modern dual graphics card laptops who invented it... | 16:19 |
| _j | buZz: Nevertheless, It's a much better libc implementation than glibc | 16:19 |
| _j | Rich Felker really knows his stuff | 16:19 |
| buZz | not better, just smaller | 16:19 |
| buZz | xrogaan: its a 940MX | 16:20 |
| buZz | https://devtalk.nvidia.com/default/topic/1028032/linux/you-do-not-appear-to-have-an-nvidia-gpu-supported-quot-nvidia-geforce-940mx-quot-/ | 16:20 |
| _j | "Better" in the sense that it's less buggy, more secure and implements stuff like static linking properly? :p | 16:20 |
| buZz | > Either use bumblebee or see if the package nvidia-prime is available for your system. | 16:20 |
| buZz | _j: yes, all the stuff you would value in a libc | 16:20 |
| buZz | ignoring that, i totally agree musl is a clear winner | 16:21 |
| filipdevuan | when i type lspci -k | grep -A 2 -i "VGA" i get that | 16:21 |
| filipdevuan | 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Device 5916 (rev 02) | 16:21 |
| filipdevuan | Subsystem: Acer Incorporated [ALI] Device 108f | 16:21 |
| filipdevuan | Kernel driver in use: i915 | 16:21 |
| parazyd | _j: It's not more secure than glibc, nor is it faster ;) | 16:21 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: yes, I know. | 16:21 |
| filipdevuan | i have the same card model 940mx | 16:21 |
| buZz | parazyd: thats what he was saying :P | 16:21 |
| parazyd | 16:19 <_j> buZz: Nevertheless, It's a much better libc implementation than glibc | 16:22 |
| parazyd | 16:20 <_j> "Better" in the sense that it's less buggy, more secure and implements stuff like static linking properly? :p | 16:22 |
| parazyd | *shrug* | 16:22 |
| buZz | parazyd: sentence between that flipped the context to glibc | 16:22 |
| buZz | but yeah | 16:22 |
| _j | Damn parazyd :p | 16:22 |
| _stephen_ | _j The tinkerboard is decently priced and runs devuan just fine. | 16:23 |
| xrogaan | radeon is so simple in comparison. | 16:23 |
| filipdevuan | so basically i should try install nvidia prime drivers?? | 16:23 |
| buZz | if you just want a shitcheap arm board to run devuan , why not a pi-zero | 16:23 |
| buZz | filipdevuan: or bumblebee as we adviced half an hour ago ;) | 16:23 |
| filipdevuan | okay then | 16:23 |
| filipdevuan | ok cheers | 16:23 |
| filipdevuan | ill do it and write here what happens | 16:24 |
| _j | buZz: it's not oshw | 16:24 |
| xrogaan | nvidia-driver, linux-firmwares, bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia | 16:25 |
| filipdevuan | okay im installing nouveau bumblee now | 16:25 |
| filipdevuan | its free | 16:25 |
| filipdevuan | its installed now | 16:25 |
| buZz | _j: i havent really seen any true oshw arm board really | 16:26 |
| filipdevuan | still doesnt see nvidia gpu detected | 16:26 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: okay then | 16:26 |
| buZz | pine64 isnt either | 16:26 |
| xrogaan | edit /etc/bumblebee/bumblebee.conf and modify it to match: KernelDriver=nvidia-current | 16:26 |
| buZz | tinkerboard isnt either | 16:26 |
| buZz | the orangepi's , nanopi's arent either | 16:27 |
| _stephen_ | I've never seen any real oshw | 16:27 |
| xrogaan | not sure if you need to add yourself to the bumblebee group | 16:27 |
| buZz | _stephen_: well, nextthing's CHIP was | 16:27 |
| _stephen_ | Just stuff where you don't need to use the closed parts | 16:27 |
| buZz | but they murdered their business | 16:27 |
| _stephen_ | I have two of those... | 16:27 |
| buZz | people are now looking into relaunching CHIP (and pocketchip) clones | 16:28 |
| _stephen_ | I wish they had more ram... they might be the only ones I've ever seen that are open | 16:28 |
| buZz | way more expensive, but still kinda nice | 16:28 |
| buZz | _stephen_: -and- paid bootlin/free electrons to upstream kernel fixes for it | 16:28 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: so yeah, you need to: sudo addgroup $USER bumblebee | 16:28 |
| xrogaan | once you did that, reboot. | 16:28 |
| buZz | xrogaan: usermod -aG bumblebee $USER | 16:28 |
| buZz | man | 16:28 |
| buZz | addgroup is gross :P | 16:28 |
| xrogaan | And I do mean it: **reboot** | 16:29 |
| buZz | :) | 16:29 |
| KatolaZ | uh? | 16:29 |
| filipdevuan | okay im gonna do usermod-aG bumblebee USER THEN | 16:29 |
| KatolaZ | reboot is never *needed* | 16:29 |
| KatolaZ | except when you change kernel... | 16:29 |
| KatolaZ | :) | 16:29 |
| xrogaan | take over then. | 16:29 |
| xrogaan | takes less time to reboot | 16:30 |
| _stephen_ | you can su - youruser and not even close your terminal to update your group... | 16:30 |
| filipdevuan | okay so i typed that commant should i just reboot now then | 16:30 |
| filipdevuan | command | 16:30 |
| filipdevuan | and i changed to nvidia-current | 16:30 |
| buZz | reboot to see the results | 16:30 |
| filipdevuan | ok brb | 16:30 |
| xrogaan | I hope you typed the usermod thing correctly :P | 16:31 |
| buZz | xrogaan: occupational therapy ;) | 16:31 |
| buZz | if he never made mistakes, there would be no learning implied | 16:31 |
| filipdevuan | okay im back then | 16:33 |
| filipdevuan | No NVIDIA GPU detected. | 16:33 |
| filipdevuan | xD | 16:33 |
| filipdevuan | should i install bumblebee-nvidia as well then... | 16:36 |
| xrogaan | >>>>><xrogaan> nvidia-driver, linux-firmwares, bumblebee and bumblebee-nvidia | 16:36 |
| filipdevuan | ok im on it then xD | 16:36 |
| filipdevuan | fucking laptops xD. next one i get will be designed just for linux. or a pc xD | 16:37 |
| xrogaan | redo a lspci | grep -i nvidia | 16:37 |
| xrogaan | just to see if the name changed | 16:37 |
| filipdevuan | 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 179c (rev a2) | 16:38 |
| filipdevuan | i still havent downloaded nvidia driver and linux-firmwares | 16:38 |
| xrogaan | seriously? | 16:38 |
| filipdevuan | gimme a minute | 16:38 |
| xrogaan | wait, i flipped the two | 16:40 |
| xrogaan | it's firmware-linux | 16:40 |
| xrogaan | somehow I got confused | 16:40 |
| filipdevuan | The NVIDIA driver that is being installed (version 375.82) does not match the nvidia kernel module currently loaded (version 340.106). | 16:41 |
| filipdevuan | The X server, OpenGL, and GPGPU applications may not work properly. | 16:41 |
| filipdevuan | The easiest way to fix this is to reboot the machine once the installation has finished. You can also stop the X server (usually by stopping the login manager, e.g. gdm3, kdm, or xdm), manually unload the module ("rmmod nvidia"), and restart the X server. | 16:41 |
| filipdevuan | i downloaded firmware | 16:41 |
| filipdevuan | so should i just press forward then | 16:41 |
| xrogaan | yeah. | 16:41 |
| xrogaan | reboot (again). | 16:41 |
| xrogaan | you did install firmware-linux, right? | 16:41 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 16:42 |
| xrogaan | you sure? | 16:42 |
| xrogaan | and bumblebee-nvidia too? | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | yeah just checked | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | it is | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | so reboot? :P | 16:42 |
| xrogaan | then do what the thing said: reboot. | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | brb | 16:42 |
| filipdevuan | yeah done but when i type nvidia-detect it still says doesnt detect nvidia gpu ;/ | 16:45 |
| filipdevuan | when i type lspci it says same 01:00.0 3D controller: NVIDIA Corporation Device 179c (rev ff) | 16:45 |
| filipdevuan | should i start nvidia x server xD | 16:46 |
| xrogaan | pastebin your dmesg again, please. | 16:46 |
| filipdevuan | xrogaan: https://paste.debian.net/1029239/ | 16:47 |
| filipdevuan | horray!! | 16:49 |
| filipdevuan | diablo 2 works now :)))) | 16:49 |
| filipdevuan | thank you so much xrogaan!!! i think i should send you cash for help ;PPP | 16:49 |
| filipdevuan | yeah oblivion works as well <3 | 16:49 |
| filipdevuan | fucking thanks!! | 16:49 |
| filipdevuan | yeah!!! :DDD | 16:49 |
| nemo | oooh that reminds me. I have to upgrade my SO's devuan | 16:49 |
| nemo | by any chance is this possible "live" ? seems a bit more convenient maybe | 16:50 |
| filipdevuan | kudos to devuan and xrogaan ;) | 16:50 |
| nemo | wondering if there's a guide for that and if there's anything a bit more automatic than editing the apt list | 16:50 |
| nemo | for one thing I can do it by sshing in remotely | 16:50 |
| filipdevuan | EVERYTHING WORKS OBLIVION WORKS SO SMOOTHLY OMG THANKS XROGAAN YOURE THE BOSS ;D AND DEVUAN TEAM!!! iv got an orgasm now xDDD | 16:52 |
| filipdevuan | FUCK YEAH, okay sorry thanks :P | 16:52 |
| xrogaan | smoothly, really? | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | on the intel integrated graphics? | 16:53 |
| xrogaan | well, oblivion is kinda old. | 16:54 |
| filipdevuan | does it still run on intel then?? | 16:54 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it works like a charm | 16:54 |
| filipdevuan | i thought it ran on nvidia lol | 16:54 |
| filipdevuan | but well runescape 3 still works the same :( | 16:54 |
| nemo | xrogaan: heh. yeah, it's amazing what old games will run on. Like I've been contributing to Hedgewars for past decade and the stuff we still support is pretty insane 😃 | 16:54 |
| xrogaan | your dmesg looks saner anyhow. | 16:54 |
| nemo | xrogaan: like. we specifically put in patches to support max texture size of 512 for one user | 16:54 |
| xrogaan | plenty of pretty firmware loads | 16:54 |
| filipdevuan | so now how can i change to nvidia then lol i thought it already changed to nvidia lmao | 16:55 |
| nemo | xrogaan: I even successfully played in software emulation on first gen raspberry pi - although admittedly at a whopping 15-20fps | 16:55 |
| filipdevuan | but anyways im excited that diablo 2 runs as well | 16:55 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: you really should figure out the nvidia stuff though | 16:55 |
| filipdevuan | okay i will then, thanks ;) | 16:55 |
| xrogaan | wouldn't hurt to try and blacklist the intel integrated graphics. | 16:55 |
| filipdevuan | yeah thanks for help | 16:55 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i think u said how to do this | 16:56 |
| xrogaan | wait | 16:56 |
| xrogaan | > bbswitch: Succesfully loaded. Discrete card 0000:01:00.0 is on | 16:56 |
| xrogaan | > bbswitch: Found discrete VGA device 0000:01:00.0: \_SB_.PCI0.RP01.PXSX | 16:56 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 16:56 |
| xrogaan | so fiddle with bumblebee | 16:57 |
| xrogaan | no idea how that software works though | 16:57 |
| filipdevuan | yeah ill search for it thank you very much :). so excited im able to run windows game without actually running windows xD | 16:57 |
| xrogaan | you may need to switch the card on. | 16:57 |
| filipdevuan | so its not switched on then still | 16:58 |
| xrogaan | i don't know | 16:59 |
| _j | _stephen_: what about the cubieboards? | 16:59 |
| xrogaan | maybe bumblebee switches it on demand | 16:59 |
| filipdevuan | yeah it does actually with optirun | 16:59 |
| xrogaan | > https://github.com/Bumblebee-Project/Bumblebee/wiki/FAQ | 16:59 |
| filipdevuan | https://wiki.debian.org/Bumblebee | 16:59 |
| xrogaan | >> Bumblebee 3.0 automatically disables your card if it's unused. There is no need for additional configuration. | 16:59 |
| filipdevuan | To run your application with the discrete NVIDIA card run in the terminal: | 16:59 |
| filipdevuan | $ optirun [options] <application> [application-parameters] | 16:59 |
| filipdevuan | is that it | 16:59 |
| _stephen_ | _j I haven't used those... are those sunxi, too? | 17:00 |
| xrogaan | chances are that by running oblivion, it switches the card on/ | 17:01 |
| xrogaan | then off once you're done. | 17:01 |
| _j | _stephen_: yeah, they're a20 boards | 17:01 |
| xrogaan | if you want to be sure, you could try glxgears again | 17:01 |
| filipdevuan | im gonna try run oblivion under optirun in a sec | 17:02 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: also: optirun -b none nvidia-settings -c :8 | 17:02 |
| filipdevuan | its 361 frames in 5.0 secouinds = 72.101 fps | 17:02 |
| filipdevuan | optirun -b none nvidia-settings -c :8 | 17:03 |
| filipdevuan | oh ok | 17:03 |
| filipdevuan | yeah i have em | 17:03 |
| filipdevuan | they function | 17:03 |
| filipdevuan | it looks like everything is fine | 17:03 |
| _stephen_ | filipdevuan what laptop did you buy? | 17:04 |
| filipdevuan | its some aspire f15 f5-573g-52m7 | 17:04 |
| filipdevuan | acer | 17:04 |
| filipdevuan | yeah thanks again xrogaan | 17:04 |
| xrogaan | you're welcomed | 17:04 |
| filipdevuan | sorry i think i cant do more than just say thank you very much :P | 17:05 |
| filipdevuan | okay now if i knew how to run oblivion.exe under optirun... | 17:11 |
| filipdevuan | when i type this in the oblivion folder i get that: $ optirun oblivion.exe | 17:13 |
| filipdevuan | [ 1802.232201] [ERROR]Error running "oblivion.exe": No such file or directory | 17:13 |
| xrogaan | yes | 17:17 |
| xrogaan | it has to be ran through wine | 17:17 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: https://zipizap.wordpress.com/2012/03/12/half-life-2-wine-and-optirun-bumblebee/ | 17:18 |
| xrogaan | the script launches itself with optimus to launch a launcher to run run hl2 | 17:19 |
| filipdevuan | yeah but this is for hl2 | 17:20 |
| filipdevuan | is that wine script | 17:20 |
| filipdevuan | i think id check if i can disable intel card in bios to be fair | 17:20 |
| xrogaan | no, it's for any software that need to use wine. You simply need to modify it for your needs. | 17:21 |
| xrogaan | for instance, it would come handy if you wanted to run the script extender with oblivion | 17:22 |
| filipdevuan | oh yeah | 17:22 |
| xrogaan | filipdevuan: you could try another way: optirun bash | 17:23 |
| xrogaan | then wine oblivion.exe | 17:23 |
| filipdevuan | Oblivion.exe: Oblivion.exe: cannot execute binary file | 17:24 |
| xrogaan | > wine oblivion.exe | 17:24 |
| filipdevuan | yeah | 17:25 |
| filipdevuan | now its geforce 940mx in options | 17:25 |
| filipdevuan | thanks again <3 | 17:25 |
| filipdevuan | now i can play all games i have i wonder if gothic would run well like oblivion does ;D. gonna try | 17:25 |
| filipdevuan | yeah id say it works too well ;D | 17:27 |
| filipdevuan | thanks xrogaan, i think thats it for me, that was tough!! | 17:27 |
| filipdevuan | have a nice day!! :) | 17:28 |
| filipdevuan | if gothic 2 runs well id be surprised | 17:31 |
| filipdevuan | yeah gothic 2 works like charm but there was some problem with loading music lol and it crashed xD | 17:42 |
| filipdevuan | but anyways theres nothing wrong with graphics anymore xD | 17:42 |
| filipdevuan | uhh | 17:42 |
| system16 | hi im getting this error when i try to run batstat bash: /usr/local/bin/batstat: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error | 17:48 |
| system16 | i dont have any DE | 17:48 |
| buZz | exec format error | 17:50 |
| buZz | whats 'batstat' ? | 17:50 |
| system16 | battery status | 17:50 |
| system16 | https://www.ostechnix.com/how-to-check-laptop-battery-status-in-terminal-in-linux/ | 17:50 |
| buZz | its not a devuan application | 17:50 |
| system16 | scroll down to bottom of that page | 17:50 |
| buZz | ah > git clone https://github.com/Juve45/batstat.git | 17:51 |
| buZz | that? | 17:51 |
| system16 | yeah | 17:51 |
| buZz | you do realize that precompiled binaries might not be valid for your system? | 17:51 |
| buZz | did you try recompiling it? | 17:51 |
| system16 | plz look at that page | 17:52 |
| buZz | ppl distributing binaries through git should get slapped in the face | 17:52 |
| buZz | ./batstat: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=a0a9b239a0c6354a772ae962d501af9532519346, not stripped | 17:52 |
| buZz | are you running a 64bit install ? | 17:52 |
| system16 | ummm file command says this: | 17:52 |
| buZz | > g++ main.cpp -lncurses -pthread -std=c++11 -o batstat | 17:52 |
| system16 | batstat: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2, for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, BuildID[sha1]=a198958fbf4d75807187b963a2341706c6fe2a01, not stripped | 17:53 |
| buZz | so, you recompiled it? | 17:53 |
| system16 | that web site said to do that | 17:53 |
| system16 | i ran this : | 17:53 |
| buZz | or you downloaded it more than 7 days ago | 17:53 |
| system16 | chmod +x /usr/local/bin/batstat | 17:53 |
| buZz | did you read the documentation on https://github.com/Juve45/batstat | 17:53 |
| buZz | system16: whats the output of 'uname -a | 17:53 |
| buZz | on your system | 17:53 |
| system16 | Linux devuan 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.51-3 (2017-12-13) i686 GNU/Linux | 17:54 |
| buZz | so you are running 32bit | 17:54 |
| system16 | yeah | 17:54 |
| buZz | yet, you are trying to run a 64bit program | 17:54 |
| buZz | EITHER recompile it as i said earlier, or just find a alternative to this | 17:54 |
| system16 | it didnt ask me about that | 17:54 |
| buZz | just 'acpi' or 'powertop' can give you runtime for battery aswell | 17:54 |
| buZz | why would it | 17:54 |
| system16 | this ? g++ main.cpp -lncurses -pthread -std=c++11 -o batstat | 17:55 |
| buZz | yes, as is written on the documentation of batstat | 17:55 |
| buZz | which you chose to not read ;) | 17:55 |
| system16 | it gives me an error buZz | 17:56 |
| buZz | nice | 17:56 |
| buZz | did you read it? | 17:56 |
| system16 | g++: error: main.cpp: No such file or directory | 17:56 |
| buZz | lol | 17:56 |
| buZz | you would need to execute that g++ command in the same directory as where main.cpp is, of course ;) | 17:56 |
| system16 | where is it ? | 17:57 |
| buZz | https://github.com/Juve45/batstat/blob/master/main.cpp | 17:57 |
| system16 | hey im a noob ok ? dont laugh at me :) | 17:57 |
| buZz | :P | 17:57 |
| buZz | you cloned a git repo, right? | 17:57 |
| buZz | that location is where the repo you cloned is | 17:58 |
| buZz | i dont know where you put it | 17:58 |
| system16 | git clone https://github.com/Juve45/batstat.git this ? | 17:58 |
| buZz | you already did that somewhere, right? | 17:58 |
| buZz | go there | 17:58 |
| system16 | i ran that command here : root@devuan:/home/test111# | 17:59 |
| buZz | cd /home/test111/batstat | 18:00 |
| buZz | then | 18:00 |
| system16 | ok | 18:00 |
| system16 | main.cpp:3:20: fatal error: curses.h: No such file or directory | 18:01 |
| system16 | #include <curses.h> | 18:01 |
| system16 | ^ | 18:01 |
| system16 | compilation terminated. | 18:01 |
| buZz | apt install libncurses-dev | 18:01 |
| system16 | k | 18:01 |
| system16 | downloading | 18:01 |
| system16 | done | 18:01 |
| system16 | ok i ran that command again. its doing something | 18:02 |
| system16 | done. no errors | 18:02 |
| system16 | buZz, it still says Exec format error | 18:03 |
| buZz | correct | 18:03 |
| system16 | but now its 32-bit | 18:03 |
| buZz | you made a -new- batstat binary, its in /home/test111/batstat | 18:03 |
| buZz | execute -that- , not the /usr/local/whatever one | 18:03 |
| system16 | im here >>root@devuan:/home/test111/batstat# | 18:03 |
| buZz | then do ; ./batstat | 18:04 |
| buZz | not without the ./ | 18:04 |
| system16 | Exec format error | 18:04 |
| system16 | cannot execute binary file | 18:04 |
| buZz | then you must have done something wrong | 18:05 |
| system16 | maybe it requires a DE ? | 18:05 |
| buZz | nope | 18:05 |
| buZz | why not just 'apt install acpi' | 18:05 |
| buZz | then 'acpi -V' shows you battery stats | 18:05 |
| system16 | is it the same ? | 18:05 |
| buZz | why use this weird tool | 18:05 |
| system16 | ok then . apt remove batstat ? | 18:05 |
| buZz | you didnt install it with apt | 18:05 |
| buZz | only way to 'deinstall' now is manual rm | 18:06 |
| system16 | rm batstat ? or i should remove the whole directory ? | 18:06 |
| buZz | rm /usr/local/bin/batstat , i guess | 18:06 |
| system16 | done | 18:07 |
| system16 | thats it ? | 18:07 |
| buZz | yes | 18:07 |
| system16 | but batstat directory is still in /home | 18:07 |
| system16 | /test111* | 18:08 |
| system16 | should i remove that too ? | 18:08 |
| buZz | you may, it doesnt matter much | 18:09 |
| system16 | failed to remove ‘batstat’: Directory not empty but i deleted its content. | 18:12 |
| system16 | oh i have acpi | 18:14 |
| buZz | system16: and it gives you battery stats? | 18:23 |
| system16 | yeah if i type acpi -V | 18:25 |
| buZz | good | 18:27 |
| HelpImAnExpat | Is there an easy way to do serial install of devuan? I'm trying to install it on some Switches (I'm writing an OSS Driver for Broadcom's Carrier Grade ASICs). | 18:27 |
| buZz | HelpImAnExpat: eh | 18:27 |
| buZz | 'serial install' ? | 18:27 |
| buZz | do you have a bootloader on serial you can talk with? | 18:28 |
| HelpImAnExpat | Well specifically a network install, but with a serial (not VGA) head | 18:28 |
| buZz | is that switch a x86 machine? | 18:28 |
| HelpImAnExpat | YUP | 18:28 |
| buZz | gross :D | 18:28 |
| buZz | but ok, yeah probably PXE could work | 18:28 |
| buZz | devuan doesnt care what your monitor is | 18:29 |
| HelpImAnExpat | It seems to | 18:29 |
| buZz | if the bios on that system does support PXE, that is | 18:29 |
| HelpImAnExpat | I'm getting | 18:29 |
| HelpImAnExpat | error: no suitable video mode found. | 18:29 |
| HelpImAnExpat | Booting in blind mode | 18:29 |
| buZz | thats fine | 18:29 |
| buZz | you might need to add console=serial on boot commandline? | 18:29 |
| buZz | either way, that error is just from fb driver, i guess | 18:30 |
| HelpImAnExpat | BRB, I'll give that a try I've already tried: vga=off console=ttyS0,115200n8 | 18:31 |
| buZz | right | 18:32 |
| buZz | worstcase you could just install on that HDD in another system | 18:32 |
| buZz | and swap it back | 18:32 |
| HelpImAnExpat | Looks like I need to make a custom install iso, this isn't working | 18:41 |
| HelpImAnExpat | it would be nice if we had this as a boot menu option though, as I expect Devuan will be very popular on servers (We've already rolled all our key systems across to devuan at nerdalize). | 18:44 |
| filipdevuan | how can i take screenshots with just printscreen? | 22:30 |
| refracta_noob | do you mean you want to bind the prtsc key on your keyboard to take screenshots? | 22:32 |
| filipdevuan | yeh | 22:36 |
| filipdevuan | would be cool ;D | 22:36 |
| refracta_noob | xbindkeys + scrot | 22:37 |
| filipdevuan | in terminal? | 22:40 |
| refracta_noob | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xbindkeys | 22:45 |
| refracta_noob | polkit is really getting in my way and I just want to finish setting up my personal desktop image - is there any way to disable polkit or perhaps add some rule that makes my chosen user account have enough authority to do almost anything? | 22:48 |
| gnarface | refracta_noob: that's sorta what polkit is for, so removing it would make it worse. what is it you're actually trying to do? | 23:05 |
| gnarface | the default state of the system is nobody has permission for anything | 23:05 |
| gnarface | (this is different from windows, perhaps) | 23:05 |
| gnarface | polkit does a couple things you couldn't do without root otherwise like start a graphical login manager | 23:06 |
| gnarface | or, allow it to be started | 23:06 |
| refracta_noob | I could have sworn gparted was working with gparted-pkexec before I installed this ASCII based release of Refracta and now it's not | 23:07 |
| refracta_noob | I guess I will just have to reckon with polkit and learn its ways | 23:07 |
| gnarface | if you just want authority over everything, the advised way to do it is to use the root account then just log back out of it with su or sudo | 23:07 |
| fsmithred | refracta_noob, pkexec is broken in different ways | 23:08 |
| refracta_noob | ah, when I try that with synaptic or gparted they have trouble knowing which display to start on | 23:08 |
| gnarface | afaik gparted needs root access unless maybe if you've added yourself to the disk group | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | pretty sure in refracta ascii, it starts without asking for password | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | sure it does that if you upgrade refracta jessie to ascii | 23:08 |
| fsmithred | and there should be extra .desktop files that use xterm to ask for password | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | gparted (alt) | 23:09 |
| fsmithred | if you figure out polkit, please get back to me. | 23:09 |
| refracta_noob | I did a clean install. It's been pretty good to me until this. I kind of resent how complicated polkit has made things for me so far but I appreciate the problem it tries to solve. I just don't understand yet why it belongs on a desktop system. | 23:10 |
| fsmithred | I thought the whole point of it was to give you powers from the desktop | 23:11 |
| fsmithred | you have a root account, or just sudo? | 23:12 |
| gnarface | lol https://www.garyshood.com/root/ | 23:12 |
| gnarface | (no, i don't actually seriously advise this method, but it's funny) | 23:13 |
| gnarface | you can really just run as root if it all bugs you that much but these access limitations are there for your protection | 23:14 |
| fsmithred | omg, yeah, that's funny | 23:14 |
| freem | gnarface: or, one could admit that using a wild sudo worse than a use of su, and just keep a few terminals under su? | 23:15 |
| freem | but hey, that link seems fun, I'll have to read it completely (maybe at work? nah, that would give bad ideas to newbies) | 23:16 |
| fsmithred | refracta_noob, I'm here for another 15 minutes. Ask any questions now, or try to find me later. | 23:17 |
| fsmithred | or check the dng mailing list in a day or two. I'm going to post about this pkexec problem. | 23:18 |
| gnarface | fsmithred: the list on that page used to have an open input box where you could add more names to the list of people who also ran as root. there were hundreds of entries. it was a lot funnier s pretty funny before he truncated it. | 23:19 |
| freem | what is pkexec? A syscall? | 23:19 |
| gnarface | freem: yea, that's what i prefer to do, but i advise in that case you color-code the root terminals differently | 23:19 |
| refracta_noob | I plan on being a regular here, going to try and submit packages eventually. If I figure out polkit I will try to come up with a sensible way to install some workable default rules (like setting up the initial user to have admin privs) | 23:20 |
| freem | gnarface: my terminal is scripted so that the user is in red if he is root, and the hostname too. If I'm with ssh, then the hostname is in yellow. | 23:20 |
| gnarface | refracta_noob: i think the access you want can also mostly be granted by just adding some additional default groups to your user | 23:21 |
| freem | I had, in another work, more color rules on the hostname, so that I could only be very, very careful when as root on prod :) | 23:21 |
| freem | s/work/workplace/ | 23:21 |
| refracta_noob | good idea! | 23:21 |
| fsmithred | so, you lost ability to start gparted from menu when you installed? I get the opposite - it starts without asking for password. | 23:22 |
| gnarface | refracta_noob: somewhere on the debian wiki there should be a list of the default system groups and what they're for. the info for wheezy and earlier should still apply to devuan, but systemd does an end-run around a handful of those groups by granting blanket access to local users | 23:22 |
| freem | refracta_noob, what are you trying to achieve, in few words? I'm too lazy to read history | 23:23 |
| freem | or, at which time did you spelled it | 23:23 |
| gnarface | freem: as i gathered it his primary complaint of the moment was gparted requiring root access | 23:23 |
| freem | (would allow me to go back and read the problem, I may contribute to help) | 23:24 |
| freem | oh. | 23:24 |
| freem | Is he using sudo stuff? | 23:24 |
| gnarface | no | 23:24 |
| gnarface | and i tried to warn him he's playing with fire, too | 23:24 |
| gnarface | but i remember also being that guy, so i can't judge too harshly | 23:24 |
| * gnarface used to run as root before he knew it was a joke | 23:25 | |
| freem | then, he can only use 'su -c "gparted"', or play with udev to put /dev/sd* ownership to a non root group. | 23:25 |
| freem | Hum. Now that I thinkg about that, he could also add himself to root group, but that smells bad. | 23:26 |
| gnarface | i think it would also work to put himself int he disk group, but he still would have to also add localhost to the xhosts access list i think or root can't start clients under the user's Xorg session | 23:26 |
| fsmithred | problems with pkexec on upgrade to ascii are common. For most people, trying to start gparted or synaptic from the menu does nothing when it should be asking for a password. | 23:26 |
| gnarface | but yea, even adding himself to the disk group is a huge risk because that also grants raw access | 23:27 |
| gnarface | which is basically infinite attack surface | 23:27 |
| freem | fsmithred, this will ask for password if gksu is installed, and gksu depends on sudo | 23:27 |
| freem | IIRC. | 23:27 |
| fsmithred | it used to use gksu, but they switched to pkexec | 23:27 |
| freem | really? | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | really | 23:28 |
| freem | what is that pkexec thing? | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | part of polkit | 23:28 |
| gnarface | doesn't gksu still work if you install it though? i thought we just discovered that a week or two ago... | 23:28 |
| gnarface | oh maybe not in ascii though | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | yes, you can make your own .desktop file that uses gksu | 23:28 |
| fsmithred | I've done that in the past. | 23:28 |
| freem | what is the difference between using pkexec or sudo, in practice? | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | but then I had to stop using gksu when jessie was still in testing. I forget the reason. (does it require libsystemd0?) | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | freem, I don't know | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | I've set up sudo for shutdown/reboot | 23:29 |
| fsmithred | in systems that don't have all the polkit shit. | 23:30 |
| freem | I have to say, my own security rules are quite weak. I run a lot of root's terminal for many things. | 23:30 |
| fsmithred | maybe sysadmins get mad if developers automatically start handing out sudo rights when you install their packages. | 23:30 |
| freem | I no longer know if I'm more a dev, a sysdev, or an admin :/ | 23:31 |
| fsmithred | ok, I have to go now. See you all later. | 23:31 |
| freem | gn fsmithred | 23:31 |
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